Red Sox Winter Meetings Rumor Roundup
Another day at the Winter Meetings, another million rumors coming from a million tweets. That's just how things go in this day and age.
The subject of these rumors? Unsurprisingly, after Theo laid out his goals during yesterday's introduction of Adrian Gonzalez, are relievers and right-handed hitters.
We recap the rumors du jour after the jump.
First, the ones Jared has already covered during the day. You can find these well-discussed already in their respective comments sections:
- Magglio Ordonez (Sean McAdam) -- Ok, so technically yesterday, but close enough. Ordonez, of course, falls into the RHH category, providing plenty of pop against lefties so long as he can stay healthy. He's hit .347/.419/.537 against them over the last three years. Of course, at 36-going-on-37, that's far from a given.
- Carlos Beltran (Adam Rubin) -- Basically an extreme version of Ordonez, Beltran hits lefties better (.321/.398/.615 over the same period), has a bigger injury risk despite being younger thanks to his damaged knees, and of course costs a lot more. If the Sox can get the Mets to pay enough of that, though, he also brings a much better glove to the equation, a higher cieling, and in the unlikely case that arbitration doesn't end up being too dangerous to offer, would likely be at least a Type-B.
- Cliff Lee (Rob Bradford) -- No, not as a reliever. This seems like a very long shot, but the Sox have at least kicked the tires, however lightly. Right now Sox fans only have to consider whether they would rather the Yankees not get Lee, or whether they'd rather they have yet another player signed to a $20+ million contract well beyond the point where they're useful. I'm guessing probably the former.
Moving on to the rest...
- Arthur Rhodes (Jon Morosi) -- Arthur Rhodes is like Mariano Rivera in that he absolutely defies time. And while you can't necessarily count on him continuing to do so in 2011, you have to imagine that Rhodes could be very cost effective based on his last three seasons and likely low contract demands.
- Kevin Gregg (Ken Rosenthal) -- Rosenthal describes this as "multi-year" interest. I like that the Sox are showing a willingness to take a risk on a higher-ranked FA like Gregg, but does it really have to actually be Gregg? The guy's upside seems to be good-not-great while his peripherals suggest more of an average-not-good type. Seems like an almost guaranteed overpay.
- Brian Fuentes -- Wolf has done a much more in-depth job than I can here. All I'll say is that Fuentes would be nice against lefties, but as an all-purpose reliever doesn't wow me.
- Pedro Feliciano (Jon Morosi) -- I wanted to get this guy at the deadline, so sign me up. Feliciano has been very good for many years, with better peripherals than Gregg but seemingly far lest recognition. Even if Papelbon doesn't recover at all, a combination of Feliciano - Bard would be a great way to close out games.
- Andrew Miller (Gordon Edes) -- Yeah, the same one we traded for and then non-tendered. We're talking to him again. I don't even know at this point.
- Josh Willingham (Ken Rosenthal) -- If that "absurd" (rumored to be Felix Doubront) price doesn't come down, the Sox have two better options listed above.
- Carl Crawford (Alex Speier) -- Just to say they're not actually out on him.
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A point that you guys may not realize yet
Carlos Beltran won’t be netting any draft picks after the season. There is a clause in his contracting prohibiting the team from offering arbitration.
Interesting. I imagine he wouldn't mind waiving that clause if he were a Type-B
Which is as high as I can imagine he’ll end up. Teams don’t care if they’re signing a Type-B free agent since it doesn’t cost them anything.
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That would be quite good, but unfortunately James' projections are often way off.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
They don't adjust for injury very well though, no?
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by Ben Buchanan on Dec 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta say...
… that is an idea that appeals to me. I still think Ellsbury/Kalish/Drew finish 2011 in our OF, but if the price isn’t too high and they throw money in, I could live with a gamble on Beltran.
Of course, I think taking a shot at Magglio for a reasonable offer isn’t a bad play either.
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You Ben and the enhanced staff have been doing a great job keeping this place updated with all the action going on. I can’t remember a non-game week with this many comments in a while.
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by Rogue Nine on Dec 7, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 7, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I have been living on OTM the last few days.
Swift updates and excellent commentary.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Probably use him like a kind of a Rocco Baldelli type if we need it
but I’m really pulling for Ordonez.
I was about to include him
But I tracked that all back to this article, which was speculative.
Maybe there’s something more that I missed?
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Nothing more on a source...
but this was tweeted by Edes earlier as per ESPN:
“GordonEdes: Matt Diaz decision could come in next day. Sox one of teams that have inquired [via Twitter]”
I love Matt Diaz because a) he isn't Hispanic as his name suggests, and b) the pronunciation of his name is funny.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Um, I'm not sure how I could misinterpret A), but I certainly hope I am...
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by Ben Buchanan on Dec 7, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
My bad...
I just re-read my comment and it sounds racist.
But it’s not meant to be at all.
It’s hilarious reading the name ‘Diaz’ on the back of a guy’s jersey then seeing this:

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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
OK, cool
No worries.
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by Ben Buchanan on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
? Still not sure ...
should he ‘look’ a particular way, with a surname of ‘Diaz’?
Not seeing what is ‘hilarious’ here.
You see the name
And you think [DEE-AZZ].
But it’s actually pronounced [DYE-AZZ].
Our brains are conditioned to see someone of Hispanic heritage, but when we see someone seeming far removed from that it’s a shock to our expectations. That’s all.
It’s probably “hilarious” because he falls for it every time.
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Oh, okay. hmmm... I guess my brain just isn't conditioned that way.
I am Hispanic. Everyone in my family has blue or green eyes – which actually comes from Spanish heritage coming through. There is a very broad spectrum of ‘looks’ for Hispanics.
Surname pronunciations do not mean much, especially for immigrants who in the past routinely changed pronunciations to make them seem less ethnic (Cue the list of Irish immigrants who dropped the ‘O’ in front of their surname). My own grandparents altered the pronunciation of our surname.
I’ll drop it. Its just silliness anyway. I know Frederick0220 didn’t mean anything serious here.
Thanks for understanding, mmmmm.
No offense intended.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I read it the way you intended
Let’s try this. Picture what the name Mario Balotelli would look like.
Then click here: http://newscaster.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/balotelli.jpg
What you were expecting?
For the record
Bill James projects an OPS of .795 and a wOBA of .344, but it’s worth noting that in 2009 he posted .878 and .384 respectively, although his BABIP was in the .380 range, and his career number is .350 on the nose.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
How do you find wOBA splits?
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I found it on Fangraphs under 'Splits' and they had his career wOBA against lefties at.383.
What site did you use?
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 7, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fangraphs is showing me .387
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
He is pretty impressive
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
So True
You guys are not just more up to speed than anyone at the papers, you’re more insightful (with an appreciative exception made for lonely voice of reason Amalie Benjamin).
Even most of the posters are more thoughtful than the Mazzes and Abrahams and Speiersses (sorry gents, since you all clearly read this site). I was going to exclude Sean O. based on his nutso rantings during A-Gon day, but now I see he wants Beltran as much as i do.
Yeah, OTM clearly influences the big media guys,
and even seems to influence actual transactions. there just isn’t a better Red Sox website or publication
I think we all appreciate the kind words and everything
to be fair to the actual newspaper reporters and such, a lot of those guys do a great job and are spending their days actually tracking down these stories. Most of the time we’re just taking the work they’ve done, sharing it and analyzing it based on all the information we know. So some respect for the Speiers and the Abrahams of the world, they’ve got much harder work to do than we do.
Abrahams and Spiers seem to put in their due diligence most of the time
Mazz … sometimes. He used to be pretty good on baseball. Like a lot of these guys who move from ‘journalist’ to ‘talking head’ he has started to become more of a character than a journalist. Sitting next to Felger in the radio booth cant make it easier to stay true to journalism principles …
There are quite a few guys in the field who pass themselves off as ‘reporters’ whom I cannot hold a lot of respect for because they routinely abdicate any allegiance to journalistic integrity or principles or because they are clearly just too lazy to do any due diligence on their subjects. And frankly the ‘good old boy’ network that allows some of these guys to continue careers in the ‘sports reporter’ field even after committing atrocious professional or ethical errors or misdeeds kind of makes me sick.
Nothing new today.
Original title actually had " — 12/7/10" amended to it.
The Downs front has been quiet, but there.
That’s also why guys like Martin aren’t on there.
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Sox dont want to give up a draft pick for Downs
So Fuentes and Arthur Rhodes are the lefties tied to Boston, currently.
Interesting tidbit
“Manny Delcarmen, who was non-tendered by the Rockies last week, is drawing interest from two AL East teams (but not the Red Sox) according to Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com (on Twitter)”
Read that, too.
Originally, I was thinking Jays & Orioles…but now I’m leaning towards the Rays, since they’re dumping payroll, I bet they’d take a chance on a guy who was really effective at one point and hope he could get back to it.
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IF the offeres include 7 years,
why would the Red Sox sign Lee? Everything is working for Texas and MFY.
My hopes is that Lee re-signs with Texas forcing the Yankees to get head case Grienke trading away their best young talent. Maybe Phil Hughes, their prize catching prospect and others for Grienke would sufficiently kill the MFY for the next 10 years.
Heyman was on MLB network said the Yanks really aren't interested in Greinke
They don’t want to have to find out the hard way if he reacts badly to NY.
Makes sense… but then, hard to imagine them staying out if they lose Lee. Of course, they won’t lose Lee, right?
We can hope, can't we?
Pulling for Nolan Ryan to throw one more no hitter against the Yankees and pull off the unthinkable… getting Cliff Lee to stay in the Ballpark in Arlington over the coffers in New York.
Worst-case Yankee scenario
Pettitte retires.
Rangers get Lee.
They’re left with a rotation of Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, (Nova), (someone?). 1 great pitcher, 1 good young pitcher, 1 huge question mark, 1 underdeveloped guy, and something.
i totally agree with SoxAcumen
that would be a power shift in the AL east i think if they did that. but i rather not give up anymore prospects for downs.
Beltran
Per Cot’s website, contract has stipulation that team cannot offer arbitration.

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