Why the Red Sox should sign Brian Fuentes
Coming into this offseason, it was a known and given fact that the bullpen needs to be dramatically improved for the team to be competitive in 2011. One of the biggest weaknesses was the lack of a second setup man, which led the Red Sox to over-rely on Daniel Bard. Hideki Okajima, who had previously taken the role of left-handed setup man was simply ineffective through most of the year, and had become increasingly less effective each year since his stellar 2007 beginning.
The name that has been connected to the Red Sox through most of the offseason has been Scott Downs, and for good reason. For years, Downs has been a highly effective setup man; effective even in the A.L. East which, as we are all aware, is not exactly the easiest division to pitch in. He's a great pitcher, effective against both lefties and righties who has proven he can handle the setup role.
Today, however, it's been reported by Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald that the Red Sox are currently in pursuit of Brian Fuentes. In my opinion, he actually would be a much more effective option for the Red Sox in 2011, so let's look at why.
First of all, just the negatives on Scott Downs. While a great pitcher, Downs is also 36 34 and, from all reports, is going to be looking at a 3-year contract. Theo is well known to dislike giving out long-term contracts to relievers, and with good reason; they, more than any other position, vary drastically from year to year. In addition to this, there seems to be a decent chance Downs would decline over the course of this contract. In addition to this, Downs is a type A free agent, meaning that the team that signs him will have to surrender their first round draft pick to the Blue Jays.
Fuentes, meanwhile, was not offered arbitration, meaning that he will not cost anything in draft picks to the signing team. It's important here to take note that this is the last year of the draft as it currently stands- in future years, it is highly unlikely that wealthy teams will be able to flex their financial muscle as effectively as they have in the past.
While he has struggled against right-handed hitters to a degree in the last year (and over his career), he still managed to put up some fairly devastating numbers against left-handed hitters in 2010, as he always has (in 2010 11.57 k/9 and 2.57 bb/9, for a 1.79 FIP, much better than Downs). Wince the principle need in the Sox bullpen is a left hander who can share setup duties with Bard for the coming year.
Fuentes is known to want a closing job, which, in a way, could actually play into the Red Sox favor. Although the Red Sox would not offer him a chance to close, if the Red Sox were willing to overpay him for a year, he would probably be content to take the money, build up his stats this year, and then pursue a closing job after the 2011 year. The cost of overpaying him would probably only be slightly over what Downs will make in a year, and the Red Sox could view the added cost as the price of keeping all of their high draft picks for 2010.
It wouldn't have seemed possible to me until Werth signed his surprising mega-contract with Washington, but it actually seems feasible to make it through the offseason, improving the team greatly, without signing a single type-A free agent, ensuring the Red Sox no less than 7 draft picks in the first two rounds of the 2011- which is supposed to be one of the strongest draft classes in recent years.
Certainly the Red Sox have money still left to spend in this offseason, and signing Fuentes rather than Downs could improve the organization in several ways for the future, while effectively improving the bullpen in the short term. Bring him on!
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You can't overpay later round draft picks after
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by lone1c on Dec 6, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
. . . next year
So having more money doesn’t mean you’ll be able to use it to buy, say, a third-round talent in the seventh round, while still paying them a bonus equivalent to a third-rounder.
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by lone1c on Dec 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No Arbitration?
Well I’m pretty sold on this seeing how that’s the case. He’s not horrible either. A spot-closer I think more than anything as I don’t think he’s as effective as he seems in that role.
But as a 7th and/or 8th inning guy? Or even 6th inning? I’m sold as long as he’s not commanding too much dinero.
Though I know he wants to close, he’s just kidding himself, IMHO. I’ve never thought he’s closing material; just not enough liquid nitrogen in his system to him “as cold as ice.” That’s pretty much required for a closer.
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Yeah no type A
how about?
Ordonez, Fuentes and Jenks? Last 2 might be tough cause they wanna close
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions
That and signing Ordonez
THAT would look like a world series winner to me
by wolf9309 on Dec 6, 2010 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would just be awesome
And working in our favor is that there are more guys that want to close than there are places for them to close.
by wolf9309 on Dec 6, 2010 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah they could actually just put the closer job up for grabs
With Jenks, Bard, fuentes and Paps you could have 4 guys who can close and whoever they feel coming out of spring training gets the job. So Jenks could end up being the closer and thisway you can convince him to come here.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 6, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
No it's not official
Just everyone assumes they will. Really, they need to.
by wolf9309 on Dec 6, 2010 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NO NO NO
this frisbee throwing reject cannot get my 98 year old grand mother out. The Sox will regret this signing if it happens.
I would much rather give up a pick and get Downs than get Fuentes and watch him get raked every game.
No offense to your grandmother...
He’s not bad. He’s been pretty go throughout his career. I just don’t think he’s excellent closer material.
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*pretty good I meant.
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Fuentes actually looks better against lefties than downs to me
So I think I just disagree.
by wolf9309 on Dec 6, 2010 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK but I warned you guys
Remember how many times the Red Sox faced Fuentes on the Rockies and Angels…Did anyone think he had the advantage over Sox hitters?
This will be the case with every team/player he faces.
The guy is a gas can waiting for a match.
Go back and watch him in big games
and his success rate. Then talk to me about stats. Stats mean almost nothing in big games.
If you win enough "little games"
then there are no “big games”
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 6, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure he would take a one-year deal
He as been a very good closer for a few years, so I’m not sure what he gets out of taking a one year deal to be a set-up man for the Sox. His value would be diminished going forward and he would “waste” a year of his career. If I’m his agent I advise him to take a one year deal only as a closer. Now if the Sox were to offer a 3 year deal, that may change things.
I would prefer Downs, an established AL-east setup pitcher. Give up the pick and pay the money. Papplebon/Bard/Downs would be a great backend of the bullpen.
There's no guarantee he would.
What he’d gain from the sox is simple- more money. This would probably involve overpaying him a bit, but I’m willing to do that if it means we get another first rounder.
He might sign a one year deal because, frankly, there’s an unusual amount of good relievers
by wolf9309 on Dec 6, 2010 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What about Bowden?
Is it time to bring him up as a reliever? I think an Atchinson, Bowden, Fuentes, Bard, Paps +1 or 2 would look nice next year.
I think it's been tried
And he hasn’t impressed me too much just yet (Bowden that is).
He’s had flashes of brilliance, but it’s just consistency that he’s lacking; however, it seemed as if he was turning a corner last season, so who knows…
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He reminds me of Calvin Schiraldi (potential-wise)
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I hope we do.
He was much ridiculed with LA, but he was always pretty good – and was hampered by Soscia’s moronic usage patterns (on two separate occasions I saw the dope bring Fuentes in with men on base to face Miguel Cabrera – simply b/c he was “the Closer.” He made a point of bringing him in against RHHs for some reason. Bizarre. Sometimes I think he wanted him to fail).
valid points in your article
but all those great 2010 stats vs lefties come on a .218 BABIP while his career BABIP against lefties in .316. So he is not quite that good but was good the last 3 years against lefties. The Downside: His stats against righties are pretty horrible.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 6, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions
Nonetheless
Great peripherals against lefties.
Yeah in my bullpen he’d be setup guy for lefty-heavy parts of the order and occasional LOOGY. Bard would still get the majority of setup work and I’d love to see a guy like Jenks who could also take some (I think Jenks has a better chance of getting a closing job somewhere though)
by wolf9309 on Dec 6, 2010 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Give him the closing job here
I’m sick of Papelbon’s bullshit, he’s not as good as he thinks he is, and Jenks is both better and cheaper. If we can get him for something like 3/15, I’d make him the closer immediately and tell Paps to take his overinflated ego elsewhere next year.
No reliever, not even Rivera, is worth more than 7 million a year.
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personally I would have non-tendered him and gotten Soriano in
but that didn’t happen, so Papelbon is going to be our closer to start the year and likely to finish it. Whatever, he’s overpaid and it’s an overblown position, but Papelbon is going to be our closer.
Just a correction
I have Downs as being born on March 17th, 1976. Which would make him 34 now, 35 when the season starts. And younger than Fuentes.
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you are right
I can do maths good. The main point was the aging pitcher on a three year deal though. I certainly wouldn’t give Fuentes one either.
Relief
Anyone, I’ll take anyone who is at least halfway decent. Just perform a quick test, is he better than Schoenenweis? Yes? SIGN HIM. We need a few new bodies out there.
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He's got to at least be better than
MDC
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it is a lot
But the numbers I’ve seen speculated for Downs are about that much a year for 3 years, plus the draft pick.

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