Adrian Gonzalez Trade Accidental? Epstein Cites "Tragic Misunderstanding" as Cause
by lone1c on Dec 4, 2010 12:58 PM EST
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PrintRed Sox Nation may be very curious how the Adrian Gonzalez trade came about so quickly. Here at OTM, we never rest on our laurels, so we did our own background check as for what brought everything together in just a matter of days, particularly with multiple other trade talks ongoing.
Our results were shocking: it looks like the trade for Gonzalez, the unquestioned star of the San Diego Padres and one of the best hitters in all of baseball, may have been an accident.
Theo Epstein, Red Sox general manager, spoke briefly with reporters this morning.
Q: How did the trade come about so suddenly.
A: It's a funny thing, actually.
I was sitting at home watching a movie with my son, Jack. Since the holidays—as well as his birthday—are approaching, I asked him if there was anything he wanted as a present. As soon as I asked, he turned to me and said, "I want Gonzo!" So, being in baseball, I assumed that he meant that he wanted Adrian Gonzalez. So that led me to go out and sign him. Giving up good prospects like Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo is always tough, but you've got to keep your family happy, right?
Well, you can imagine my surprise when Jack started crying when I told him the news. Here I was, thinking I had been the greatest dad ever, and instead he's bawling. I ask him what's wrong. Then he tells me, "I want Gonzo, not A-Gon!" Turns out we were watching Muppet Treasure Island at the time, and what he wanted was a Gonzo doll, not Adrian Gonzalez.
My mistake. I'm just glad he didn't ask for a cheetah; we might have ended up signing Derek Jeter instead!
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My mistake. I'm just glad he didn't ask for a cheetah; we might have ended up signing Derek Jeter instead!
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by Ben Buchanan on Dec 4, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Best line in the history of OTM
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by Marisa Ingemi on Dec 4, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
very cruel post.
But to summarize the trade: sox give up- a few very good prospects (but not their best)
sox get- an mvp-quality franchise type of player in his prime with 5 million dollars left on his contract. Merry xmas redsox nation indeed.
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
I’m in tears for a number of Reasons!!! HAHAHA…oh wait…wait….HAHAHAHA
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If this quote is true...
does it suggest that this team’s future roster may be determined by the whims of a child?
To make myself feel better, I’m going to go ahead and think that the Gonzalez trade was planned all along. And that the Sox got tired of Beltre being wishy washy and entertaining “other possibilities” before making a decision to play for the Red Sox.
Sound good? I think so.
by TeddyBallgameFan on Dec 4, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions
It's good to know that our GM has a very good sense of humor
I mean…he was just toying with the media, right? D:
by Tai on Dec 4, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that the punchline was a dead giveaway.
Perhaps I need to wield the “Sledgehammer of Subtlety” a bit more when I post snark.
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Yeah, everywhere I have read
Says Kelly is the Sox #1 prospect, but that’s no big deals.
You guys really have become what you hate.
At least elaborate a little bit so don't seem like too much of a troll.
It is not like this is the first time that the Sox have traded top prospects for top MLB players (see Ramirez, Hanely).
Ah, but then he wouldn't be what he wants to be.
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by BoldandBrash on Dec 4, 2010 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We are what we are
I would say though we are pretty unique in baseball. A great chunk of the roster is home grown. Youkilis, Pedrioa, Lowrie, Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz, Papelbon, Bard, etc. With our money resources we have been able to bring in some decent free agents such as Lackey and Drew. A lot can be said for our scouting department and the way we draft though, we didn’t buy Beckett and Lowell, we traded a great prospect for him.
Now with Gonzalez, singing him to a big ass extension, is Yankee-esque, but trading top prospects and not loosing organizational depth? Very Sox-esque.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
You're as homegrown as my MFY
I’ll see your Youkilis, Pedroia, et al and raise you:
Jeter
Cano
Gardner
Hughes
Chamberlain
Posada
Pettitte
Mo
etc.
The thing that made the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry so good was the hate. The Red Sox hate(d) the Yankees because they could and did buy whoever they wanted. The last 10 years, the Red Sox have done exactly what the fans hated the Yankees for doing. As much as I hate the prick, Jeff Passan makes this point much more eloquently than I have: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AqhuGfLNX009ztiU4JOtq3E5nYcB?slug=jp-gonzalezredsox120410
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by Marisa Ingemi on Dec 4, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
The large difference though is how many are signed to team friendly deals? Jeter, Posada, Pettitte and Rivera are no longer as cost effective as a homegrown player, even if that is what they are.
From our list I would remove Papelbon, he is no longer cost effective. Everyone else though? Pedrioa, Youkilis and Lester are all signed to quite friendly deals that bought out arbitration years, much as you did with Cano. That’s “homegrown” to me, a player you brought up and are still enjoying the benefits of team control of.
For us:
Youkilis
Pedrioa
Lester
Buchholz
Bard
Lowrie
Ellsbury
For you:
Cano
Gardner
Hughes
Joba
Cervelli
I don’t know who your other relievers are.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
You can't change the definition of homegrown
Home grown means, very simply, a player that came up through your system. How they get paid does not factor into where they came from.
Fine
Homegrown AND cost effective.
Go.
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The real difference is that some of the MFY homegrown players get overpaid
51M $ my ass!
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 5, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I stop considering a player “homegrown” when he starts becoming a financial liability instead of an asset.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Except then we get back into the issues of money.
Because some of your homegrown players come from years and years back since you could afford to pay them exorbitant amounts to stay onboard.
If Hanley goes to FA and the Sox pick him up, does he count as homegrown? How about Frank Francisco? I mean, if we wanted to pay Nomar $15 million a year to suck at shorstop, should we add him to the list?
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by Ben Buchanan on Dec 5, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry has lasted much longer than the Steinbrenner's
and none of that was really the case before to the same degree. It’s just a good, old fashioned rivalry. It was never because the Yankees spent more (that was always just something to bitch about). It’s about being rivals and having opponents and trying to beat them to the playoffs.
If you say “You guys really have become what you hate”, you’re characterizing all Red Sox fans into one opinion that most of us probably don’t share. Most of us just want the team to win, regardless. We don’t care any more than Yankee fans care what the payroll is when they’ve gotten the last out in the world series. Anyone saying (And I’m not gonna pretend I haven’t bitched about it before) that the Yankees have just bought championships is just acting jealous and wishes that the Sox were winning instead.
But that is not the root of the rivalry, never has been, and never will be.
by wolf9309 on Dec 5, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice list, but.....
I like the Sox list a bit better right now. You have some fossils on there with Jeter, Posada and Pettite. Cano is the real deal, Gardner is good and may improve (assuming he isn’t traded when the Yankees sign Crawford.), Huges looks good but not in Lester’s league. Joba seems like a flameout.
I don't know if anyone has said this,
but the deadline to sign Gonzalez is 2 pm tomorrow.
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