Red Sox Now "Close" To Acquiring Adrian Gonzalez
According to Dan Hayes of the North County Times, the Red Sox and Padres are "close" to agreeing in principle on a trade that would send Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox for prospects. Hayes adds that Heath Bell is not in the deal, despite other rumors.
The prospects that have been reportedly tossed around in a possible Gonzalez trade have been infielder Anthony Rizzo and pitcher Casey Kelly. Numerous reports have surfaced that reliever Daniel Bard and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury are not going to be included in the package sent to the Padres. However, it remains unclear as to if shortstop Jose Iglesias is in the trade.
In a separate note, Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com is hearing that it is "possible" that a trade is finalized this weekend, before the Winter Meetings begin next week in Orlando.
Talks between the Red Sox and Padres happened earlier this evening with the Red Sox "progressing". There were also reports that said that the Chicago Cubs were in on Gonzalez as well as a few other teams.
Heath Bell's name has been tossed around in Gonzalez trade talk, but it appears the Red Sox will just settle for Adrian Gonzalez. If acquired, Gonzalez will become the team's first baseman which will force Kevin Youkilis to move to third base, putting Boston out of the market for re-signing Adrian Beltre.
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Go Theo, get it done. Not much longer now.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Wow, a trade overflow thread essentially.
Can’t remember one of these for a while.
Alright Theo, do this. I may not like having a $20M DH after next year but something tells me that with Adrian Gonzalez hitting bomb after bomb out of the park I will quietly sit down and stfu.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
What makes you think he's only going to play 1B for one year?
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Because Youk will not be a long term 3B.
And Youk plays better defense at 1B than Gonzalez. Gonzalez will become the DH with Papi gone after next season.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I don't see why YoukDawg can't play 3B for a few more years.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Because he broke his leg.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
But isn't he gonna play 3B this year?
His leg will be fine by then if it isn’t already now.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
He might be, who knows?
But we also don’t know how much range he lost. I’d be okay with letting him attempt 3B this year, but after Ortiz leaves, I’d want one of them to DH.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Since it's a bone, I'm not really concerned.
Usually people recover fully from broken bones, right…
Any medical people out there…
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
When did he break his leg?
I thought it was a thumb thing.
You're right, I was thinking of someone else.
Still, I don’t know how much range he still has.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
He's gonna be 32 and like I said before he isn't the most athletic fellow around.
He will be the eventual DH and Adrian will be manning 1B for the next 7 years.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
my thought is, if he suddenly doesn't have range at third
why does he still have all his range at first?
youk won't get traded
but someone can DH. My guess is doing it full time, Youk will be fine at third this year and next.
Yeah, haha, what is this broken leg thing?
I ended up misremembering the thumb injury as a broken leg after David’s posts…
…but apparently the broken leg thing never happened…or happened years ago.
I’m not sure.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of a different player.
40 hours without sleep will do that to you.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
40 HOURS?!!?!?
Cod dayum.
What you up to, son…
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
Hanging with people and following trade rumors.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
40 Hours? That's intense.
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No, its cool. I'm just glad he didn't.
Angel Kendry Morales broke his leg celebrating a walk-off grand-slam.
Youk
He’s got maybe a year or two in him, but he’s not a long term solution. If he were 220 and muscular, maybe. He just doesn’t seem to have the build to me of someone who would stick at that position. Eventually he’d be hurting us there I think.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
To be fair
He’s only here through 2013. If Middlebrooks isn’t gone, maybe he becomes the 3B of the future?
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Youk is the one who moves to DH, I believe.
He’s 3 years older than Adrian and doesn’t appear to be the most athletic fellow around.
I know that he’s currently excellent at 1B, but I see his defensive skills taking a hit, while Adrian stays steady for the upcoming years.
Just a prediction.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Youk says he's gonna DH
Especially after breaking his leg, I don’t really trust him at third.
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I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
I hope to God
Youk is not the 3B you’re talking about in that plan. Because Youk is a superior 1B to Gonzalez. Youk would play the field, Gonzalez would be DH.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
You guys have no idea what a pleasure it is to see Adrian man 1st base.
The guy is simply faultless. Just as smooth as glass and has one of the best gloves in the game. If he has to go anywhere I’m glad it’s Boston. He’s got a good 3 or 4 .300/.400/.550 seasons left in him before it’s over. He’s clutch, a good team player, and zero attitude.
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Sign Beltre, trade for Upton and sign A-Gon next year in FA
Gonzalez said that there is a chance he isn’t cleared to swing a bat until March. The doctors said the surgery went very well, but haven’t given a specific timetable that I have seen.
He might start swinging a bat in March? OMG, what if he does not?
I agree with Ben (from other thread) that without the extension it would be insanity.
As much as I thik A-Gon is a great addition here are my concerns:
Hmmm ,1 year of A-Gon or 5 of Upton…gee that is tough esp. since there is a quality 3B on the FA market, an Allstar 1B already on the team and a huge need for an OF since Cameron and Drew will not be in a Sox uniform next season…but, with that said the bat will be a huge addition and if Werth or Crawford is signed it is a devestating lineup so GO SOX!!!
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I love this
But just could never imagine it would happen. So I’ll settle for hoping for an A-Gon trade this off-season (with a contract-extension) with a Werth signing.
by Florida Johnny on Dec 4, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, it works and the Sox acquire players in their primes
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Legit
Are Ben, Dave, and I the only ones that read the fact this guy can’t even swing a bat until March, and even then, what if?
Mark my words, if Theo trades away the best pieces of the farm, hands out an extension, and this turns out to be an albatross, it’s another 86 years folks- almost $40 mil on Lackey and A-Gon alone, or the payroll of most small to medium-market clubs once you factor in Beckett. Still cheering for this to go down? Somebody hide his pen.
by Christopher B on Dec 4, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Aren't they expecting a full recovery.
If so, then there’s nothing to worry about.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
You sound like a politician in regards to the economy
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I don't know if they did or not, but when Ellsbury comes back 100% healthy in 2011, then that would qualify as a full recovery.
Theo knows what he’s doing.
If this goes through, believe me, our FO will be sure that this shoulder surgery isn’t anything to worry about.
If they had any concern with the surgery, then they would wait until mid-next year to trade for Adrian.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
In other words, if the surgery were of any concern, this trade wouldn't happen.
So stop fretting.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
I Hope
That if I wake up tomorrow and this goes through that for the sake of the fanbase you are correct sir. From all information we have to go on, though, today, December 4, Lars Anderson will post obscene numbers in any baseball activity compared to A-Gon until at least March.
Seriously, WTF
by Christopher B on Dec 4, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell does this mean, LOL?
Are you drunk or something?
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
It Means
That as of right now, A-Gon cannot go into a batting cage and swing right now-or tomorrow-or New Year’s Eve-or Valentine’s Day.
If right now was the trading deadline- everything’s the same except for the date- literally anybody, Lars Anderson, me, the kids on your local high school team- can swing a bat better than Adrian right now.
As far as I’m concerned, he needs to prove that this medical lip service about everything being fine is accurate. People have been told that they have six months to live and go on for another ten years. Doctors screw up; teams of Doctors screw up. When $20 mil/5+ years is at stake, you’d spin medical news as sunny as possible too.
by Christopher B on Dec 4, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, I see what you're saying.
Funny that you say, “Doctors screw up,” because my mom was telling me to go see my doctor cuz I cuz my mouth pretty bad, and I got angry because my doctor made a monumental mistake with another patient about a year ago (I told her that there’s no way I’m ever going back to that doctor cuz he is careless).
That, I do agree with. Doctors make mistakes.
However, I am certain that Theo is doing his due diligence.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
the actual projected date from his doctor was Feb 20th he'll be able to swing the bat
Gonzalez said conservatively that it might be as long as until March. This is different from what you’re saying.
Yes Doctor’s make mistakes. And all we can do is trust the Sox Doctor’s analysis. But we can’t be paranoid based on medical information that we don’t have. There will be a very thorough physical involved if this goes through.
+1 For the Date
I’ve been hearing March through here and mlbtraderumors.
The team doctors have made the right call in the past- Pedro sticks out- but then there’s the whole Ells thing, which he carries some responsibility too for the communication level.
My question being, what good is a physical going to do, assuming a new deal is struck before the new year? I assume you can study the progress of how it’s healing, but until it’s all healed, this is one expensive risk. Can he even work out right now?
It’s due diligence to see if San Diego is still interested, but this just seems like straight-up bad business. There’s the risk the Cubs could take him, or the MFY, but they’re also taking the risk that he doesn’t come back just the same as he was.
by Christopher B on Dec 4, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
well for the physical, they can take MRIs and look at previous MRIs
just to see what exactly was fixed and estimate how the healing process is coming, as well as just make sure that there isn’t significant unexpected damage. It’s not a perfect process for sure. Either way, I think there is some risk. I’m not a doctor so I can’t tell you exactly what the risk is, just that nothing I’ve read leads me to believe that there is a big risk of lasting damage and that it seems to be very common among baseball players.
I think the biggest risk is he gets off to a slow start because he is a bit late getting to baseball activities, but even that seems minor enough to me over 162 games.
The Sox Doctor's did not impress me this past season
just sayin’
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*doctors' analysis
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Do it
For the number of years that we’d extend Gonzalez, we can find another Kelly. If all it takes is Kelly, Rizzo, and slick-fielding but light-hitting Iglesias, pull the trigger now! That’s a video game trade. Hell, throw in Reddick for good measure.
Personally, I think one MLB roster player will be included. It could be any one of Ellsbury, Bard, Scutaro, Lowrie, or Cameron (+ cash). I really don’t think Bard will move, though, unless Theo & Co. sign a guy like Raphael Soriano.
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please not Lowrie after it looks like he has finally arrived!!!
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Had he played all year
Lowrie would have projected to be a top-5 shortstop. It’d be nice to see what he could do with 550 healthy ABs.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Yes and Ben called it all along even when I was screaming to trade him in 2008 - 2009
I hope he is untouchable
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Ben Was Like the One-Man Support Jed Lowrie Campaign In My Eyes
God damn, and he was right.
by Christopher B on Dec 4, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, most saw his potential and did not argue; for me (and others too) it was the bad luck injuries
I wanted to trade him when he went on a tear and was healthy in 2008 – I figured the Sox would getr max value. However, as I told Ben many times I wanted him to be right and I would gladly eat my words (and have since on many occasions) if we held onto him and he lived up to Ben’s projections. So, once again – Ben, you are the man
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
What part of
“Jed Hoyer is only looking for minor-league players” do people not get?
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
I think the part about it is all rumors and hearsay??
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Except most to, if not all sources say the same thing.
We can assume that that’s what he wants.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
good point - hey, my day is just beginning here and you guys have been up all night
I went to bed last night grousing about the Sox and I wake up this morning and all helll has broke loose!!! Go hotstove
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
That's a load of crud
Hoyer will take any MLB upgrade as long as he comes with cash.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Not if he's rebuilding for a title run in the future.
Which, if he’s trading Adrian now, we can assume he’s doing. I honestly thought the Padres could have competed this year, but Hoyer obviously disagrees.
Maybe this means we can get Headley next year.
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Too... much... roster... bation
Headley – Lowrie – Pedrioa – Youkilis – (let’s not talk catcher) and Adrian as DH?
Pardon me, I need to buy new pants.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Look at all the FAs they lost
right-hander Jon Garland, shortstop Miguel Tejada and catcher Yorvit Torrealbato free agency, and won’t re-sign outfielders Scott Hairston and Tony GwynnJr. They also declined to pick up right-hander Chris Young’s $8.5 million option.
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Chris Young is done as an MLB player
He’s basically the NL’s version of Erik Bedard. I love the guy, but I don’t think he can play anymore. Garland hurts, but I think Harang can put up similar numbers in Petco. Denorfia, Maybin, Ludwick, and Blanks can outshine Gwynn and Hairston, and SD still has Cabrera, they were 10 games up in first BEFORE trading for Ludwick and Tejada. Also, Nick Hundley took over for Torrealba towards the end of the season and did well. They need a 5th starter with Correia gone, but Correia sucked last year anyway.
They didn’t lose as much as it looks like, they could use a better middle infield.
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Damn Portland Press Won't Deliver Itself
Time to work. Any chance someone whipped up a “AGONZ ALERT” Blackberry App in the last few minutes? No one? Crap. Let’s Go Twitter!
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krap kaka doo
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I've been refreshing every twitter page possible that is related to this deal
Beginning of the Sarkisian ERA
I think it's gonna be Mark Wagner, Bubba Bell, Junichi Tazawa, and Aaron Bates for A-Gon...
Too much?
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Too much. They might have to throw in Heath Bell.
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Bubba AND Bates?
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Lowrie, Bard, and Ellsbury not in possible deal
Same san diego reporter
Beginning of the Sarkisian ERA
No Lowrie = Me happy
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
I just had an epiphany of sorts (jk, ya'll)
It’s like 5:30 late afternoon where that guy is, haha.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
He says Casey's gonna be involved.
What a shocker, right…
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
How Many Gonzo Reports Now?
I mean even if Boston isn’t the only team, there are a ton of reports focusing on Boston.
So if Rizzo goes along with Kelly, I’m cool with that. Certainly didn’t clear the farm out for sure.
Then there’s still the talk of getting an OF in either Werth or Crawford.
Couple the possibility of Gonzo, Werth OR Crawford, and hopefully a healthier rotation next season, and that’s insane.
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100 wins would be a real possibility.
I just hope they can make this official.
Don’t want to see this turn into Cliff Lee to the Yanks 2.0 although I highly doubt that happens because like you said all the reports involve the Sox and no one else.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Cubs Were Mentioned
Although they’ve been buried by comparison:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/cubs-other-teams-also-pursuing-adrian-gonzalez-deal.html
by Christopher B on Dec 4, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
100 Wins
I think you all get way to excited.
Even with Agon at First, Youk at 3b, Lowrie at SS and healthy season out of all of them our infield would still create less total WAR than last Season. My Math behind this:
2010: C Vmart+Tek 4.7 WAR (includes Vmart 1B WAR), 3B Beltre 7.1 WAR, SS Scutaro 2.1 WAR, 2B Pedroia + Lowrie 5.1, 1B Youk 4.2 WAR i even leave out Hall + others who played some games in in IF
2010 Total Infield WAR: 23.2
2011 MY Own Projections: C Sal/Tek 1 WAR, 3B Youk 5.5 WAR, SS Lowrie 3.5 WAR, 2B: Pedroia 5.5 WAR, 1B Agon 6 WAR
2011 Total Infield WAR: 21.5
Whats the whole point? The Dropoff at Catcher with Sal/Tek compared to Vmart will be gigantic. On top of that realistically there will also be a drop in 3B production since neither Youk nor Beltre (if resigned) would put up 7.1 WAR in ’11.
The solution to the problem: GET A FREAKING CATCHER!!!! I think Martin would atleast be a 3 WAR catcher with upside. Salty and Tek are simply corpses. So for roughly 5M more we can buy maybe 2 WAR, thats a pretty decent price.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
you are simply not right on salty.
what is he, 25 years old with 800 career at-bats, and you call him a corpse. He has the upside to OPS about .850 next year. Not saying he will, he might be released by May, but give it a chance, man. At least he’s ok against righties.
the guy has 250 games at the majors and played in one of the best hitters parks in the AL and sports a whooping .701 career OPS. Who do we get when he is released by May? Prolly have Tek catch till the deadline. Quite frankly this is just unacceptable for a 170M payroll, its that simple. If he would really have a somewhat decent chance to ever become what was hoped, the Rangers wouldn have traded him for a raw arm that most likely ends up in the pen anyway. Saltys good stats over more than a 15 game sample are from 2007, he hasnt even done too impressive things in AAA yet.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
look, I'm none too pleased about Salty either
but if the front office didn’t genuinely see something tht made them think he could step it up, he wouldn’t have a shot. And if he doesn’t step it up, there’s absolutely zero chance that he’ll be the catcher the whole year.
Except this assumes there's no defensive difference at catcher, which is not accounted for in the WAR you're using.
VMart was atrocious first month and half. If catcher defense was counted correctly we’re at least on pace for the same, I’d say – and there’s some upside there.
Insane amount of money is gonna be involved too.
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I would imagine if the plan is to trade for A-Gon, not resign Beltre that Werth or Crawford are in the works too
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Crawford
I posted this allready but after signing Agon, Crawford basically cant come. Another lefty especially one that cant hit lefties at all is suicid in this division. The MFY would just roll right trough us head to head with CC and Lee.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that is an excellent point assuming this deal is done...
I am still not enthusiastic about this deal as everyone else seems to be. I am not saying A-Gon isn’t a beast he is – I am just thinking about the pieces we already have in place and what to do with filling the holes. Also, on Martin apparently (and, you might already know this) the Dodgers have big concerns about his hip healing and wanted to move him to the uber-UT position (he was originally an IF that they taught to play catcher). I think the Dodgers are concerned about his health declining at that position and how ready he would be overall by Spring. The Dodgers wanted to take a cautionary route back to catcher if the hip healed well and he could handle the grind. So, he is defintely coming with risk. Many mentioned signing him and moving to the DL to continue to heal for a few months to see how Salty does…
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=AtwPICBWUFrFfDN5ir2wqQRvLYF?slug=ti-martinoptions120310
According to Colleran, the Dodgers had devised a plan for Martin and his hip, that is to spread his playing time over catcher, the infield and perhaps even the outfield. They were asking him to become a super utilityman, at least until everyone agreed his hip – fractured last season, but recovering to doctors’ satisfaction – was up to the catching grind again. The Tigers’ Brandon Inge(notes) once attempted the same routine and found it unfulfilling.
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I'm not enthusiastic yet
if Werth also gets done I am though. A righty who crushes lefties is exactly what we need now.
Russel Martin:The injury is an issue yeah, but i prolly still gamble on him for 5M this year and a 7.5M cluboption for 2012. Let Sal/Tek start and when the 2 suck you have something to fall back to in May/June.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
The suck factor is possible
Salty still has potential upside – although diminished – but, I think he might get a shot until June – not crazy about the idea but who knows???
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
5M?
I seriously doubt he ends up getting anything near that. Barajas just got 3.5M and he was good last year & doesnt have a hip problem that won’t let him catch full time.
Padre fan here.
Congrats on getting Adrian Gonzalez.. He’ll do a great job for what you’re trying to accomplish in Beantown.
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Wow man,
You can’t say this and then leave me to search every site I know of looking for a confirmation that it’s done just to find nothing meanwhile my head’s about to explode
by Florida Johnny on Dec 4, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
and by the same token,
enjoy Rizzo and Kelly and whoever else is included. Those two at least have huge potential, and as unsure as prospects are, I bet at least one turns out as a very good MLB player.
I really wanted Lowrie, dang
We need middle infielders so I’m positive Iglesias is in the deal. I’m just not sure how happy to be about it. Rizzo is expendable once you get Adrian. So I gotta think It’s Kelly, Rizzo, Iglesias at the minimum. If Hoyer can finagle one of Doubront/Kalish/Britton in the deal I can’t really complain about anything.
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So Dan Hayes says...
No Ellsbury, Lowrie or Bard in return.
and
Casey Kelly would definitely be involved.
Assuming there’s a signing window, what’s the prediction?
Kelly, Rizzo, Kalish, Doubront?
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 4, 2010 2:52 AM EST reply actions
I'd bet Iglesias is involved
he’s probably a better option already for San Diego offensively and defensively than whatever they have there.
I will be little kid on Christmas excited if this happens...
so don’t get me wrong… but I really think we should still be asking the question of whether it makes more sense to save our bullets (READ: prospects) and just sign Crawford or Werth. Giving up our top minor league talent AND having to give out a huge contract? I’m just not sure this is the wisest course.
…but yeah, guy will be a monster in Boston if he comes…
I see us signing Werth even after trading for Adrian.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
This
Is what I’m really hoping for. Need that RH bat
by Florida Johnny on Dec 4, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
Sure,
but only two next year
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 4, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
haha
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
Four?
I count three. Who am I missing? Drew, Cameron, Ellsbury..
by Florida Johnny on Dec 4, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
Kalish...
Could be sent down, obviously, but hey, three is basically too many to start signing OFers.
Oh, OK. I didn’t really count any of the young guys yet. If we skipped on a FA OF this year after getting Gonzalez, who’s available next year to replace Cameron?
by Florida Johnny on Dec 4, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Here's a 2012 free agent list...
Not a lot of premium options pop out, but a good amount of quality depth there:
Left fielders
Jose Bautista (31)
Pat Burrell (35)
Mark DeRosa (37)
Jonny Gomes (31)
Carlos Guillen (36)
Eric Hinske (34) – $1.5MM club option with a $100K buyout
Raul Ibanez (40)
Conor Jackson (30)
Jason Michaels (36)
Juan Pierre (34)
Juan Rivera (33)
Josh Willingham (33)
Center fielders
Carlos Beltran (35)
Mike Cameron (39)
Coco Crisp (32)
David DeJesus (32)
Nate McLouth (30) – $10.65MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
Cody Ross (31)
Grady Sizemore (29) – $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (38) – $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout; vests with 550 PAs in 2011 or 1,100 PA in 2010-11
Jose Bautista (31)
Milton Bradley (34)
Michael Cuddyer (33)
David DeJesus (32)
J.D. Drew (36)
Kosuke Fukudome (35)
Jason Kubel (29)
Cody Ross (31)
Nick Swisher (31) – $10.25MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Josh Willingham (33)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html
Oh look!
J.D. Drew’s available!
Sizemore gets his option picked up?
by Florida Johnny on Dec 4, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
Doubt it.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Its relatively cheap... maybe
I’m just not sure he’s ever going to be right. Knees are all messed up, no cartiledge IIRC. Obviously a lot rides on his performance/health in 2011.
I feel like he's done
Which is unfortunate because he’s a hell of a player when healthy, but he screams Mark Prior to me.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
And Ells has injury concerns and Drew and Cameron have significant injury concerns.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be surprised...
if we didn’t sign Werth or Crawford (likely Werth, to bring some balance to the lineup, too many lefties—and ones who drop off vs LHP at that if we signed Crawford). That’s one of the great benefits of trading for Adrian. He only makes $6.5M. He really doesn’t stop us from signing one of the top OF’s. He makes his big money next year when Papelbon, Ortiz, Drew, Cameron are all off the books.
DEFINITELY extending him if we get him, though.
Obviously we can keep his ’11 salary in place and still do that… but still…
Ok, but we’ll take Buch, Pedroia and Lowrie, and you pick up half of their salaries for the life of their contracts.
Deal Struck!
If you can supply Glavine, Smoltz, and Wagner in their primes. We keep 1999-2000 Pedro.
Follow me- the DeLorean’s this way!
:D
by Christopher B on Dec 4, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm kidding.
Honestly, I don’t think they want to move him. Much seems to be made of his flaws, but he’s still young, relatively cheap (for now) and pretty good. Braves have a lot of pieces in their system that would interest the Sox. Some of the young bullpen arms, obviously.
If he was moved I would imagine it would be alongside a signing like Werth or Crawford and done to replenish the farm and maybe add some bullpen help… nothing spectacular is coming back this way, though.
We’ve got a ton of BP arms, I personally feel, although a ton of other folks think he’s a starter, that Brandon Beachy will be one helluva reliever…But, you can’t have Kimbrel or Venters, although maybe we should give you Venters, as his arm is going to fall off soon LOL.
Yeah, those three were actually the guys who came to mind.
Depending on Kimbrel’s health, of course. I’d imagine they would attract the Sox’ interest. Though I think you guys might need them (as of now).
The hell you say!
That would interfere with the Dynamic Dish Duo, Jarsod Varisalteklamacchia!
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 4, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Over/Under
On the time it takes to get this deal done? (If it does)
I honestly have no clue.
I have a thought in the back of my mind that it’s going to fall through and get resurrected in July.
No clue, though.
Hopefully it gets done tomorrow.
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by Frederick0220 on Dec 4, 2010 4:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think they're down to one last thing
The exact volume of Youkilis head sweat involved in the deal to sprinkle on Rizzo in SD to make him grow.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Ah... CRAP. Apparently AGone recently had labrum surgery on his shoulder.
and won’t be ready until sometime in March. He says he “stopped trying to hit HRs” because of the shoulder pain. Also, he didn’t attend chargers games because when he’s on his feet too long his shoulder started to ache. Awesome. Just f***ing awesome.
Well… the upside is the price might be more deflated than we’ve imagined.
& http://www.xxsportsradio.com/common/global_audio/40/23781.mp3
Don't worry. He'll be fine.
He’s just being cautious with his future. He can start swinging on Feb 20th. He may be a little cautious to start the season but as long your looking long term with him, it shouldn’t be an issue. The only downer is that he might not have those spectacular home run numbers at the end of the year due to a slow start. Oh well, better to have him fully healthy in October than March, eh?
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Well I dont wanna spoil the party
but lets not get to far ahead. His lefty splits still worry me, especially in a division where every single Ace is a LHP: CC and most likely Lee, Matusz, Price and Romero. That definitly means no Crawford, who cant hit lefties at all. If we indeed end up with Gonzalez we better get Werth, who kills lefties. Career wOBA vs LHP: Gonzalez: .339, Crawford .307, Werth .401!
Especially in a potential ALCS against the MFY where you see Lee+CC atleast 4 times Werth would come in quite handy, but now i’m getting to far ahead.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 5:15 AM EST reply actions
Getting Werth too would make me the most excited I’ve been since… Schilling and Foulke?
We would have a powerhouse of a team going into next year. Ridiculous lineup. 900 runs very possible.
I can’t even sleep right now. All worked up.
by alskor on Dec 4, 2010 5:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope after Agon
we also sign Werth, Downs and please please please Russel Martin. Still tendering Paps and signing Tek stings somewhat.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking it's a done deal
Olney had this to say in the last few minutes:
Sources: The San Diego Padres and Boston Red Sox are on the verge of finishing an Adrian Gonzalez deal. Players all agreed to.
and
The Red Sox are far enough along in the conversation that they are trying to work out a new contract with Adrian Gonzalez.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
It's gotta be done. The only thing holding it up is Adrian's contract extension.
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Gentelmen, things are getting real
Buster Olney
Sources: Padres and Red Sox have agreed to a Gonzalez trade, pending physical — and perhaps negotiations with the first baseman. We’ll see.
Later:
Sources: Major League Baseball has approved a negotiating window for the Red Sox to negotiate with Adrian gonzalez.
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
Re:
Sources: Gonzalez is expected to be in Boston today.
I’d like to see what’s the price before judging this trade…but for now: Holly Shit!
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
Well I have a little excitement in me.
I have to admit that. We get on hell of a player, but he doesnt really fit our needs positionwise and we need a RHH, but there is plenty of time to get werth to make me really happy.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, lots of time remaining (Boras like to keep his clients for too long)
BTW, Marcum is also a lefty ;)
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
Got this from the Padres site - fans there are getting excited over the prospects
As reports fly that Jed Hoyer is closing in on a trade that would send Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox, we want to give you some insight on some of the potential players that will likely be part of the Padres organization if the trade is completed.
Casey Kelly Portland Starting Pitcher
Age: 21
Born: October 4, 1989
Sarasota, FL
Height: 6-3
Weight: 200
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Drafted: 1st round, 2008
ETA: Late 2011
Scouting Report: Athletic frame, advanced beyond his years, he has natural instinctive feel for pitching. Kelly has three plus pitches: a low 90s fastball, he can work it to both sides of the plate, cutting it or sinking his fastball. He has hard 12-6 curveball, and an above average change which he throws with the same arm motion as his fastball. He has demonstrated excellent command and control. Repeats his mechanics with effortless delivery. Fastball has exceptional downward movement, and generally sits between 90 and 93 mph, has touched 95-96 mph. Curveball has the potential to become plus out pitch. It sits around 75-78 mph, but he can rely too heavily on it which can get him into trouble. Kelly’s changeup sits around 83 mph with a lot of tilt. he is a strike thrower and will keep pitching coaches happy, keeping the ball low in the strike zone. Has demonstrated excellent composure. He is projected to be a top of the rotation starter, has legit ace potential.
Anthoney Rizzo 1B
Age: 21
Born: August 8, 1989
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Height: 6-3
Weight: 220
Bats: Left
Throws: Left
Drafted: 6th round, 2007
ETA: Late 2011
Scouting report: Scouting Report: A towering strong first baseman with an excellent frame. Solid overall approach at the plate, solid pitch recognition, good bat speed. Needs to be more selective with two strikes. Doubles power but should project 20 homer power. Has a tendency to chase breaking pitches late in the count. A plus defender with a strong arm and surprising mobility for his size. Great baseball fundamentals.
Ryan Kalish Outfield
Age: 22
Born: March 28, 1988
Northridge, CA
Height: 6-0
Weight: 200
Bats: Left
Throws: Left
Drafted: 9th round, 2006
ETA: 2011
Scouting Report: Ryan is very athletic with a solid build, good bat speed and lots of quickness. Plays the game hard. Selective hitter, has come to demonstrate an excellent approach at the plate. Average power, has potential to hit 20 Homer’s on the MLB level. Is a contact line drive hitter that sprays the ball to all fields. A base runner that will steal plenty of bases who has plus speed. Has exceptional acceleration and great instincts on the base paths. In the field he judges the ball well off the bat, has an average arm and is capable of playing center field but is probably more suited to play right field. A hard nosed ballplayer that will become a fan favorite for his all out hustle.
Jose Iglesias Shortstop
Age: 20
Born: January 5, 1990
Havana, Cuba
Height: 5-11
Weight: 175
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
ETA: Late 2011
Scouting Report: A great defender. His glovework is accompanied by swift quick hands and excellent reactions. Very strong arm. Range is solid to slightly above average. Great feel for the game and demonstrates fluid mechanics enabling him to excel defensively. Has the makings of a Gold Glove shortstop. Versatile enough to easily play second or third. Exceptional bat speed. Compact swing. Can be a free swinger. Solid mechanics enabling him to swing through the zone very well. Relatively small, he posses some power. Projecting doubles pop. Defense first short stop. Scouts rave about his athletic defensive ability.
I cannot help but thinking about Bagwell in all this!!!
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Is this confirmed?
The 4 prospects are Kelly, Rizzo, Kalish and Iglesias?
wow now i hate this deal for a 1 year rental.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
Dunno pulled off the site I mentioned - that is a good haul when you throw in a price tag
Theo is no dummy so I imagine it doesn’t happen without the extended contract.
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I'll go on a limp and say that it is impossible that makes this kind of trade. Priod.
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
Yes
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
Err: it is impossible that Theo makes that deal
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
Yeah, when I found that I got sick to my stomach it would be highway robbery
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Impossible that the Sox accept that deal: Too much value in that package.
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
I really really really, as much as I want to see A-Gon out of the NL hope that’s not what you guys are giving up for him…This is wayyyyyyyyyyy too much like the Tex trade, an that one hurts, and still haunts us, a LOT.
And it was for +1 year of Teix services, not a year from a player coming off a shoulder surgery!
Twitter | "Almost every organization has a guy like Papelbon or Lester" - Dave Cameron 12/29/2005
Why are we doing this now as opposed to waiting for Free Agency???
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Kelly and Rizzo are mentioned by Nick Cafardo of the Globeso this is possible
Plus, the Padres know our system
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
mlbtr says a player close to major league ready
that would most likely be Kalish right? I hate losing Kalish i have to admit.
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 4, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
A few hours ago:
6:30am: Adrian Gonzalez is expected in Boston today for a physical, reports Nick
Cafardo of the Globe. Gonzalez had shoulder surgery to clean up his right labrum in October and has a four or five month recovery timeline. Cafardo says talks have centered around Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo, and the deal “would likely involve three or four players from the Sox, including one who is major league-ready.” ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that all players have been agreed to and the Red Sox are now trying to work out an extension with Gonzalez. MLB has approved a negotiating window.
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
This would confirm Hoyer's desire to replenish the FARM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101203&content_id=16251206&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlbHoyer, from his Boston days, knows the Red Sox farm system, as does Jason McLeod, who is the Padres assistant general manager of scouting and player development. McLeod was previously the Red Sox’s director of amateur scouting.
Since the Padres farm system is devoid of Major League-ready talent, the influx of talent from another club would help the Padres to essentially graduate what Hoyer wants, a handful of players moving up to the Major League level each year.
“We have to have a farm system that’s turning out two to three players from year to year,” Hoyer said in October. “We’re not going to have that for next year. That’s a priority.”
The way the Padres want to accomplish that is through the First-Year Player Draft. But that takes time. Making a deal to land prospects for Gonzalez would hasten the process.
In regards to Gonzalez’s future, it’s essentially been a foregone conclusion since the end of the regular season that Gonzalez would be traded sometime before or during the 2011 season and that he wants to test his worth on the open market as a free agent.
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
When I put these two articles together it lends credence to it being a course of action
The good news: Lowrie, Bard and Ellsbury are not touched – the bad news is – well, see above
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I don't understand anyone saying it's too much.
You get to keep Lowrie, Bard and Ellsbury. All the players mentioned have zero (or near zer) major league playing time and represent a huge risk on our part. Your current core remains not only intact, but signifigantly improved. Rizzo is expendable now that you’ll have Adrian. Iglesias is an all field no hit player until he proves otherwise. Kelly is nice arm. Kalish is a very replaceable player for a team with your payroll.
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