David Ortiz To Return: Red Sox Will Exercise 2011 Team Option, Pass On Hall and Lopez
by Ben Buchanan on Nov 4, 2010 1:38 PM EDT
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PrintThe Red Sox have chosen to exercise their $12.5 million team option on David Ortiz, guaranteeing that the fan-favorite slugger will return to Boston for at least one more year according to a Ed Price tweet. It had been rumored that the team was willing to exercise Ortiz' option since early September.
Ortiz has made it clear recently that he would be much happier entering the season with a two-year contract, citing the insecurity he's felt recently after his slow starts. The Red Sox can still negotiate with Ortiz on a longer deal as the offseason progresses, though, so there's still the possibility that he will get what he wants.
The Red Sox have also chosen not to exercise their options on Bill Hall and Felipe Lopez. No surprise here, with Hall's costing $9.25 million and the Red Sox more interested in a possible compensatory pick than retaining Lopez' services.
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i can live with that , i also would have liked to see papi get a 2 year $14 mill deal :-)
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by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Nov 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, there's no reason for Ortiz to sign that.
It’s basically saying “Play 2012 for $1.5 million”
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He's already playing 2011 for $12.5 million
14-12.5=1.5
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well unless the FO was playing hardball with him
and said they wouldn’t exercise the option.
I’m guessing this is the way the extension negotiations went:
THEO: so David, we love having you here and hope you can be a part of the team right now. We’re willing to either explore a multi-year deal or pick up the option year, but if we’re going to explore a multi-year deal, we’re going to have to work with what market price now is, and Vlad just got his $9 million option turned down.
PAPI: let’s talk after 2011!
Except if it weren't for the Red Sox being nice, he wouldn't be playing 2011 for 12.5 million.
I’m guessing he’d get a 1-year 7-8 million deal at best on the free agent market? I’m sure the Sox could have let him go to free agency and held out for something like that. In which case a 2-year 14 mil would be more like “play 2012 for 6 mil.”
OK, but this is all in the comments section of a piece about the Sox picking up his option.
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Sure, don't pick up the option
And the Sox don’t have Ortiz in the lineup in 2011. Remember, the reserve clause days are over and a free agent can sign anywhere he wants and most will sign elsewhere to spite former teams, just human nature. Would you be happy with Vald or Thome or Matsui knowing the Sox just saved a whopping $4million, or about 2% of the total payroll?
I’m delighted the Sox picked up the option and I’m pretty confident the team’s finances won’t suffer from the “overpayment” here.
And they had V-mart
They could afford to let Varitek walk if it came to that. Letting Papi go would have been a much greater risk.
Tek signed for less
Because he and Scott Boras royally blew it for declining arbitration. Why Tek decided to decline arbitration, and pretty much made him poison to sign him as a free agent on the open market, with his 2008 dismal numbers, I never know. It was an incredibly bad move and cost Varitek millions of dollars
@#$%ING THIS.
Boras’s arrogance really cost Tek on that one.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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That seems a bit cheep for Papi
I’m not sure he’d bite, but I do hope they hammer out something a bit longer.
I’m doing well, although I’m sick right now and a bit burnt out on school as well, how bout you?
Yup, working on it.
They do release all these at once, hm?
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I expected this
and the talk is they are working on an extension as well. I think an incentive based deal may be forth coming, something with a base-pay rate of $5-6M with PA/GP incentives up to $8-9 would make some sense for both sides. It is hard to imagine Ortiz not being a 1 WAR player which would justify the base rate and he would only manage full time player playing time if he was producing at the 2.5-3 WAR level. The other options were no-brainers. Bringing back Hall for $2-3M wouldn’t be a terrible call, but he may find more playing time elsewhere. Lopez was always about the compensation.
that would be true except
that a player’s value is determined by market price, not by $4 million per WAR or whatever that is, and DHs are just not getting paid
I really just think this is the logical move
You can still work out a longer deal if you want to, but this way you at least have Ortiz on your team next year. And if you only want him for one year, well, this is the simplest way to get there.
by South Coast Ghost on Nov 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
So whos gonna be our DH after next season
I wish Dunn wasnt a free agent until then. He seems like he would be a perfect fit.
Don't be ridiculous
The team isn’t going to let Drew walk after 2011, so it’s Youk to LF, Crawford to RF, pick up Pujols for1B and Drew DHs
Drew's got a good arm
I’d like to try him out at Catcher…
by South Coast Ghost on Nov 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt the Sox will pick up Alberto
Pujols is going to cost a king’s ransom to lure him away from the Cardinals with their best offer.
Drew can’t be a DH. He can’t hit lefties, he had an OBP of .302 and OPS of .611 against lefties in 2010. In some ways with Ortiz as DH, and no Victor around, the Sox may have a problem with southpaws in the middle of their line up.
Thanks for the off season laugh.
If you, buzzy, drugs and hix post here all off season, I’ll make it through the next 100 days till pitchers and catchers report.
Clearly….
Ted Williams Clone
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Nov 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
When is the deadline for offering players arbitration?
Non tendering Papelbon is a possibility.
by German Red Sox Fan on Nov 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
November 23rd I believe
And then they have a week to accept/decline arbitration
by South Coast Ghost on Nov 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good move
This just takes one thing off the table very quickly and the Sox can move on with the V-mart, Beltre, bullpen, etc. needs.
Well, take it for what it's worth...
Theo Epstein said multiyear deal for Ortiz isn’t being considered. “We couldn’t find anything that made as much sense as one-year outcome”
by South Coast Ghost on Nov 4, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
I think it depends on this year for Ortiz
If he gets a deal. Some of his problems may get exacerbated as he gets older and declines, mainly his problems with lefties and their breaking balls. I think 2010 was a good year for Ortiz, not great, but good enough to show him as a decent DH, but not worth $12.5 million.
I still think he gets a 2 or 3-yr deal with some type of incentives to keep the base lower and the potential higher.
Had to do this in the meantime to keep him from going all free agent on us.
Geez, as soon as I post this I see the Scott Lauber tweet from South Coast Ghost above.
So much for my multi-year theory… :-/
i would have non tendered
and took my chance with the arbitration process.
texass dumped Vladimir at 9m and he had a 1m buyout option.
so in affect, they passed on $8m
aging, declining, one way dh’s aren’t worth 3 war in pay.
should have played him like tek
papi is a type ‘b’, we would have gotten a sandwich pick
yeah which means that in their estimation, market value for a DH about as good as Ortiz
is under 8 million/year.
i agree
that’s sort of what i meant by the arbitration process.
papi is a ‘B’, what is vlad’s fa grading?
thanx
he's type A
so looks like a very good move for Texas. Probably will keep other teams from wanting to get him, so Texas should be able to get a good deal on him, but if someone does want to overpay, they still get a draft pick out of the deal. Plus if he accepts, he’s probably unlikely to be nearly doubling his 2010 salary ($5.5 million) in arbitration.
Kind of a no-brainer for Texas, really.
I read that
This was something they agreed on when the contract was signed. Don’t know if that is true or not….
It would be kinda weird if they did
since it was a mutual option. Those almost never get picked up though (because it requires both the player and the team to agree that the value of the player is exactly the same as the value they’d established a year ago)
Red Sox are not the Rangers
Vlad is a paid hand, a mercenary for the Rangers. They could afford to let him go and take their chances. The stakes were much higer for the Sox. Remember, the Yankees are in the market for a DH, assiming they don’t want to give the job to Thames (Jeter? lol). The Orioles are also in the division and have seen Papi up close. The misleading RBI edge aside, isn’t Papi a superior all around hitter than Vlad? Saber dudes chime in.
Interestingly, Theo referred to the “ownership” making the decision. Begs the question of what Theo would have chosen to do on his own. I’m fully on board with this move, Papi is healthy, a producer, a great teammate, a solid citizen and has proven to thrive in Boston under the most hypercharged situations.
he has also been a roid user
as management it may be hard to tell what he accomplished with and without the help of the ped’s.
his numbers have been decreasing, there is a huge risk that the last year was his last year.
he also gets extremely fat and out of shape. doesn’t come to spring training in shape, last spring an exception.
he gets moody and is a cry baby.
i’m glad he’s back.
Again with the steroid bullshit?
Christ…how many times do we need to go over this?
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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So glad we only picked up the option
This way we can rotate Youk and Agonz as 1B/DH after this year
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If Lowrie could play almost as good as he did this year,
then that could be a very good move.
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I'd be in favor of a Beltre signing in my scenario as well
Beltre @ 3B
Agonz/Youk @ DH
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It would probably be a way to keep them both fresh.
One of them could get a semi off day at DH and still be able to hit. I’m sure they wouldn’t rotate every game; it’d probably be more like a 70-30% split.
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by BoldandBrash on Nov 4, 2010 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like this,
unless we’re getting Gonzo, Fielder (at reasonable DH money which probably won’t happen), or Pujols (which I think STL signs him). We’re kinda relying on Lars, Rizzo, and/or Lavarnway to be ready by next year. We could still bring Ortiz back for another year after this option year, but I don’t think that will happen.
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Is there any doubt we end up with one of Pujols/Fielder/Agonz ?
really any doubt at all? I don’t see any.
Perhaps if we pony up for Beltre, but if we do not, we are going to get one of those 3 guys,
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I doubt we get any of them
Fielder is not going to want DH money, so why would we pay him more to do that? A-Gon maybe, but no way in hell St. Luis lets Pujols walk.
one of my personal versions of hell
involves the Red Sox moving Youk over to third so that Prince Fielder can take over first base.
I’m sure that they aggressively pursue both Beltre and Gonzalez, and I’m guessing that they end up deciding that re-signing Beltre is the better move for the organization (assuming he hasn’t decided that he’s absolutely going to the West Coast).
Yes, there is a lot of doubt
Pujols will be with St. Louis
I’m not sure if the Sox want the fat Fielder
A-Gon is a possibility and I’m betting the Sox go all-in, as in Texeira money, to get him if he hits FA. I mean why not? The Yankees won’t be involved, so they can outspend any other team. There will certainly be other teams bidding (Cubs, Mets, Angels come to mind), but they have a great chance.
I’m still wondering why the San Diego Padres can’t offer Mauer money to A-Gon. San Diego is a huge market that dwarfs Minnesota. I just don’t get it.
On San Diego
There was an ownership change recently and they’re putting on a budget squeeze a bit if I remember correctly.
Also, it’s always lovely out there weather-wise, so more people would be out and about rather than sitting and watching baseball. And if they are watching anything, they’ve got Ron Burgundy…remember, he’s the balls.
I don't know how Fielder would do in a Red Sox clubhouse
with the team and Tito. He got into a couple altercations with teammates in Milwaukee, besides he can’t be that out of shape if he is playing the field for an AL East team. Might as well put Papi on first base, and Fielder as DH.
St. Louis = Pujols
Done. I can’t stress that anymore than that.
Fielder I’ve heard only rumblings about, but I’ve more negative than positive. If he’s a clubhouse annoyance, the last thing Theo & Co. would want here is that.
A-Gonz is the only player I could possibly see here.
I disagree about waiting for Lars, Rizzo, etc.
Is it really that hard to fill your DH spot from next year’s FA pool? Sure, there might be some drop off here or there, but considering that DH is one of the easiest roster spots to fill, I’m not too worried about it. If none of those guys are ready, there will always be 1-yr or 6-month stop gaps available in the market.
Sure, but I'd rather have him than any of the FA stop gaps.
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by BoldandBrash on Nov 5, 2010 11:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No I agree, I'd rather have Ortiz as a stop gap.
I was merely saying that our options are more than A) get Fielder/Gonz/Pujols, or B) bring up Lars/Rizzo/Lavarnaway. Your original comment made it sound like we either go with A, or we’re stuck with B, and I was just saying that option C exists (bring another DH in for a year).
I was hoping for just one year
And he is being paid well so he should not take it as an insult. There is no way on the open market he gets this deal. Maybe two years at 14million w/incentives and a club option for 3 as a FA. So, this is a good payday for him & if he slips more it is a good safety net for the Sox.
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he played well with other guys getting injured
nice numbers and took the team on his shoulders a little when Youk and Pedroia went down
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
So 1 more year of Big Papi
And it’s over it seems…at least so I assume seeing as Theo & Co. don’t seem to be thinking about more than this current year.
Maybe they’ll give him another incentive-laden 1-2 year deal depending upon how he does.
But the comments about Ortiz on the open market are spot on.
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