Making The Case For Russell Martin As The Red Sox' Starting Catcher
With the news coming out this week that Victor Martinez won't be back with the Red Sox in 2011 after signing a 4-year $50 million dollar contract with the Detroit Tigers, the Red Sox are in need of a catcher for next season.
They already have Jarrod Saltalamacchia on in the roster after he was acquired from the Texas Rangers just prior to the trade deadline. Saltalamacchia earlier this week said he is ready to take on the challenge as the Red Sox starting catcher in 2011. However, I don't believe that Theo Epstein or any average Red Sox fan like you and me believe that.
Theo and company are rumored to be looking at free agent possibilities, including Miguel Olivo, Rod Barajas, and Yorvit Torrealba. The Red Sox have known interest in Barajas. They also could have interest in trading for a catcher, such as Mike Napoli of the Anaheim Angels.
However one option that would be the best move for the Sox and one that could simply fall into their lap, is Los Angeles Dodgers catcher Russell Martin.
Martin, only 27 has had an up-and-down Major League career. Martin has been elected to 2 All-Star games for the National League, and has earned two gold gloves as a catcher, however his last two seasons have been quite forgettable.
Since 2008, Martin has failed to hit over .250 and his power numbers have slipped, as he has only hit 12 homers combined, which is seven less than his career high of 19 in 2007. To be fair, Martin has battled several different injuries including a serious hip injury which only allowed him to play 97 games with the Dodgers last season.
Martin earned $5 million in 2010, and could make even more money this year following arbitration. With this in mind, Dodgers GM Ned Colletti has contemplated non-tendering Martin, leaving him free to look for cheaper options. The team also has catcher A.J. Ellis, who split time with Rod Barajas behind the plate while Martin was injured. With Ellis on the roster, this could make it easier for the Dodgers to part with Martin.
If Martin is non-tendered, he would become by far the most valuable catcher on the free agent market, a clear upgrade age-wise from the likes of the soon-to-be 33-year-olds Olivo and Torrealba, and the 35-year-old Barajas.
Martin would also be preferable to Mike Napoli, as Martin is an all around better hitter than Napoli and is a better defensive catcher, as Napoli has only a career high 27% caught stealing percentage compared to Martin's 39% last season. Besides that, the Red Sox would have to give up value to receive Napoli as he can only come by trade.
Martin has also had far more success in his short 4-year MLB career versus Olivo, Barajas, and Torrealba; who have all been in the league more than nine seasons.
The Red Sox could certainly get Martin cheap because most teams are drawn away from his production over the last few seasons, and his health risks. But when healthy, Martin could become a steal on the Red Sox part if they were to sign him, as he has proven he can hit as high as .293/.374/.469 over the course of a full season, and is capable of producing between 10-20 home runs and driving in between 70-90 RBIs a season.
Martin is expected to make a full recovery from his hip injury by Spring Training, which could allow him to get back to his old production for the Red Sox while healthy. Martin would certainly start for the Red Sox, and would receive the bulk of the playing time, which could allow Saltalamacchia to receive experience as a backup.
The Red Sox have been known to take chances on productive guys coming off injuries their previous seasons, such as when they signed Adrian Beltre last season (look how that paid off). The Red Sox would certainly be interested and Russell Martin would certainly like to be on a good team and start next season.
With not too many teams looking to take a chance on players who were injured last season, seems like Russell Martin and the Red Sox would be a good match.
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Just a note
Martin’s offensive production has been going downhill since the 2008 All-Star break, completely independent of his hip injury. Very good on-base percentage, but his power is long gone. Not that Martin still couldn’t be a productive catcher though. Just that his hip injury wasn’t the reason for his decline.
The question is what happened to it, and can it be recovered?
Some around here theorize it’s a playing time issue.
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by Ben Buchanan on Nov 26, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
“Martin would also be preferable to Mike Napoli, as Martin is an all around better hitter than Napoli…”
This statement is ingenuous and not true actually. Check the wOBAs of both players over their careers as well as their relative slugging percentages.
While Martin is definitely still a better defensive catcher, in his prime he was comparable to Napoli offensively – now however Napoli is clearly the better offensive player.
They are not close offensively in 2011 and beyond.
Last time I checked....
Martin is still in his prime…
He’s just had some injuries nag him, especially last season.
Look at the numbers for 06-08, you will see that Martin may not hit for the Power Napoli did, but he’s been the better hitter average wise
Martins career avg: .272
Napoli: .258
Napoli is not a patient hitter, while Martin draws a ton of walks. Just what the Red Sox love.
by Jared Stegall on Nov 26, 2010 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Martin is still in his prime,
then that is a serious problem.
What kind of line does he post when he passes his prime?
.230/.310/.280?
Give me Mikey Nap.
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by Frederick0220 on Nov 26, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sure Napoli has more power than Martin
But Martin is better defensively and makes fewer outs. Napoli has a 30% K-rate and only had an OBP of .316 last year.
Here are the Bill James projections for both players next year:
Napoli – .246 AVG/.336 OBP/.479 SLG/.350 wOBA
Martin – .266 AVG/.367 OBP/.379 SLG/.334 wOBA
Sure, Napoli is better offesnively. But Martin is the better defensive catcher, and he’s younger. While I’m not a huge Russell Martin fan, if he’s non-tendered, he’ll be by far the best available option at catcher.
BTW, we don’t know that Napoli is available. Lots of players are put on waivers to see what their value is. If the Angels were looking to move him to the Sox, they would have traded him last year. I look at Napoli as a longshot.
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by Drugs Delaney on Nov 26, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I still very much want Theo to inquire on Soto.
If we can’t get Soto then I want Martin, if not Martin, then Torrealba, then Napoli.
If the Sox can’t get one of those four, then promote Expo to backup and have Salty start, I don’t want to spend money on anyone else.
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If Theo could swing some sort of Soto deal, I'd likely flip.
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by Ben Buchanan on Nov 26, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Cubs are going nowhere and they know it.
They have a team of aging, overpaid former stars who are in sharp decline. The fans are calling for Hendry’s head, and they’re coming up on 103 years without a WS title. If we show Hendry a decent package of good prospects who can be ready within a couple of years and take one of their big contracts off his hands, he will be begging to give us Soto.
A package of Ells/Bard/Rizzo should get the deal done, especially if we take Fukudome as well. Now, I don’t like Fukudome, but he’s signed for one more year at a contract that Boston can afford. If they do this deal, I will fully support signing Jayson Werth to play LF for a year before moving to right, we play Fukudome at 4th OF, and attempt to flip him for a prospect at the deadline.
The Cubs need to rebuild, and Hendry needs to look like he’s doing something to keep his job, this deal can get done.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 26, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree..
The Cubbies had a bad 2010 season, they also had a bunch of injuries. They definitely have the potential, and if some of their players get their act together, <> Soriano <> they could have a not bad to competitive 2011. Ramirez was injured, Lee was awful before he was traded. I think if Dempster and Zambrano have good years, the Cubbies can hit again, they should be okay in the NL Central.
As I wrote before, trades should benefit both sides, you don’t sacrifice a position player unless there is a redundancy in the position, you don’t trade a right fielder for a center fielder, when we already have a right fielder, you know my position on Bard trades..
On the Cubbies winning their last World Series during the Roosevelt Administration, The Theodore Roosevelt Administration. Well, I think Cubbies biggest enemy is the playing surface as Wrigley, that and they should adjust their hitting differently in spring and fall than it is during the summer when the winds is blowing out.
You trade a right fielder for a center fielder
When said right fielder is possibly the most hated man in baseball outside the AL East right now. And they have guys in the upper minors ready to contribute.
The Cubs are not going to have a good year next year, they were currently following the old-school Yankee style of creating a baseball team, namely sign old free agents and hope they still have something left. They are just now starting the youth movement with Starlin Castro, Tyler Colvin, and Carlos Marmol. Ramirez may very well have nothing left, and Soriano looks dead out there. Now, as far as baseball decisions go, it may not be the absolute best thing to do, but if Hendry can “win” the trade, he can show the public that he’s going to improve the team, something he needs to do when all of Chicago is screaming for his head.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Why would the Cubs want to part with Soto? I would like to get him too - but what team would want to let him go?
I do realize that it never hurts to ask – we should ask Colorado about Troy Tulawitski, San Fran about Posey…I could keep going heck, then I think I would like to ask Minka out to dinner too – it never hurts to inquire and her boyfriend is unemployed so who knows ;) I might just hit paydirt
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As I stated above.
Hendry is about to lose his job, he needs to do something to appease both the Ricketts and the fans. If he gets rid of Fukudome and brings in a setup man, an actual leadoff hitter, and a highly-touted power-hitting prospect, plus a catching prospect who’s only a couple of years away, he could save himself from the hot seat and allow the Cubs to start rebuilding.
I’m including Exposito in my original package, because now that I’m typing it all out it does seem a little light. It never hurts to ask, and it definitely helps a hell of a lot when the person you’re asking is desperate and you have just what he needs to get back on his feet.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I read it - I just think it is a little too wishful thinking but heck if we can pry him from the Cubs it would be a steal
sure as heck do not want Fukudome but I do understand your reason for taking him kinda like throwing in Lowell with the Han Ram for Beckett deal?
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Exactly
And it might be a little wishful thinking, but as someone who actually lives in Chicago, I don’t think I have ever seen this amount of venom directed at a baseball GM before. It’s similar to how Detroit felt about Matt M****n. By the same token, Cubs fans feel the same way, if not worse, than we felt about Lugo, if Hendry wants to save his job, getting rid of Fukudome is a good start.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think the issue is that Soto is well liked in Chicago not to mention his value added relative to his position
I am not sure it would be a win for Hendry as he would be losing one of the better to best catchers in the game right now. I guess I would have to ask: Who do they have to replace him?
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I admit my ignorance on Cubs top prospects but I found this:
Wellington Castillo – the Cubs former top catching prospect, Castillo has seen his stock drop in recent years. He bounced back a little in 2010 with a .255/.317/.498 line, including 13 HR’s (in just 239 AB’s) and received a September callup as a result. He’s got a cannon arm (39% caught stealing) and could become the backup catcher for the Cubs in 2011.
Great arm – but he is no Soto…and it looks like the Cubbies need a backup for 2011.
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Its part of why I included Expo in the deal.
Isn’t he the closest catching prospect in the minors right now? If they sign someone like Torrealba for a couple years they can have a Castillo/Expo platoon, eventually making Expo the starter.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Soto is fairly well liked.
But Chicago fans LOVED DLee, and Hendry wasn’t afraid to deal him.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well, LoneDavid - Soto is at the top of my new Christmas Wish list
If Theo and the elves make this land under our tree in Fenway I would be most delighted and it will more than make up for the BB Gun I never got as a kid…
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How many of us actually got that damn BB gun?
I know I never did.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
HOLD UP!
This would involve sending prospects to Los Angeles, something the majority of people on this board will never do, EVER!
People on this board are still bitching about trading Masterson and a bag of chips for an All star caliber Catcher.
Napoli and Martin are both junk, the Sox should sign the best defensive catcher they can find and move on.
where in hell
have you seen people here bitching about sending Masterson for Martinez?
What if Martin is the best defensive catcher available (he is)
I have not seen this person make an intelligent post yet.
Let him spout his nonsense, arguing with him is like fighting that drunk hobo with the “The World Ends Tomorrow” sign strapped to his chest.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 26, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
* raises hand *
Um. I did that. Briefly and immediately after the trade. That went away quick – particularly after watching VMart play and realizing that Justin Masterson principle value derives from his performance against the Red Sox.
I can’t imagine that the Dodgers have much leverage to strong arm us for valuable prospects when they’re reportedly considering non-tendering him anyway.
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Nov 26, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
POST FAIL
[W]here in the hell … have you seen people here bitching about sending Masterson for Martinez?
Um. I did that. Briefly and immediately after the trade. That went away quick – particularly after watching VMart play and realizing that Justin Masterson principle value derives from his performance against the Red Sox.
I can’t imagine that the Dodgers have much leverage to strong arm us for valuable prospects when they’re reportedly considering non-tendering him anyway.
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Nov 26, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
right i also had a quote fail
I left out the still.
I wasn’t a big fan either until I saw him for a couple of weeks.
Martin would be a Non-Tender
And find me a better defensive catcher on the market better than Napoli or Martin
by Jared Stegall on Nov 26, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on if you think Soto is on the market or not.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 27, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think there's been any indications that Soto is on the market other than people here hoping
although I do think there’s several better defensive catchers than Napoli on the FA market. Not anywhere remotely close offensively though.
Isn't Martin considered middle-of-the-pack defensively?
Don’t get me wrong, that’s better than Napoli, but I think you can find a Torrealba or Olivio who are better defensively than Martin.
by South Coast Ghost on Nov 27, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't complaining..
I was surprise that Cleveland dealt Martinez. However they stripped pretty much their entire 2007 team, except for Haffner, who they couldn’t deal because of his contract. I think Masterson is a better reliever, he can have some good games, and then he let his sinker stay in the strike zone and it isn’t a pretty game.
If Masterson mixes up his pitches like Cliff Lee, works on his sinker, mixes in with change up, he could still make it. As a side armer, he needs to have a better deception in his delivery, because he isn’t going to overpower his opponents.
I think the Sox got the better end of that trade
i dont see them non-tendering him
they reported some clubhouse issues with martin a while back but even so….i cant see them letting him leave, fangraphs says his last year, which was a down year, was worth 8$ and he got payed 5$, dodgers management has got to be pretty moronic to let him go.
the sox should ofcourse get him if the dodgers nontender him…i just cant see it happening
I feel like I have heard about clubhouse issues from sooo many people on the dodgers
that I think it may be the clubhouse at fault rather than the players in it.
Naturally, they could non-tender him...
… but assuming there is some accuracy to the discussion (either from the objective “makes sense” standpoint or the subjective “that’s what the Dodgers are considering” standpoint), I think he could be had relatively inexpensively in a trade – in other words, someone refreshingly not asking for Ells-Bard-Kalish-Kelly-Iggy-Rizzo-Lowrie-etc., as opposed to one or two of our tertiary farm guys.
And as for clubhouse issues – always blame that on the organization when its the Dodgers. Living in LA (and being incapable of cheering for LAA), it’s really, really a shame how crapped up the Dodgers are, when you consider that they should really be a flagship franchise.
Wait 'til next/this year?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Nov 28, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah he should be cheap
I think just the fact that he has warranted so much discussion at a place like this is a good indication that they’d have to be just stupid to non-tender him- with a market of such bad catchers, someone would be willing to pay his salary plus something in trade for him. But it shouldn’t be a lot.
Napoli/Salty for one year
next year Napoli full-time DH
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Napoli is hardly an ideal DH
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by Drugs Delaney on Nov 26, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
He's hardly an ideal catcher too.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 26, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
There isn't any ideal catcher that we can acquire within reason, so
we have to decide between Victor Martinez lite or try and find an above average defender. I think it’s all about finding a guy for the cheapest price who has a short term contract. Of course we’ll try and find the best talent, but I think that is the blueprint.
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by BoldandBrash on Nov 28, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Almost every catcher sucks,
so let’s try to find (I hate to use this word) a bridge catcher.
embrace the martian
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by BoldandBrash on Nov 28, 2010 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That made me throw up a little.
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by TheLoneDavid on Nov 28, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
whats your plan
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I still like Russell Martin alot
the Dodgers overused him and he wore down and then got injured. His power might come back if he doesn’t have leg issues and doesn’t catch 140+ games in Boston, but regardless, he has a plate approach that suits Boston well, he has hit at a good level for a catcher even in his worse seasons and he will quickly endear himself to the staff with his glove. Napoli is a slightly better hitter right now, but overall Martin has more upside and is a better fit. He won’t cost as much in prospects either, since he is about to get expensive and coming off two poor years.
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You have to wonder if this has PED written all over it???
Since 2008, Martin has failed to hit over .250 and his power numbers have slipped, as he has only hit 12 homers combined, which is seven less than his career high of 19 in 2007. To be fair, Martin has battled several different injuries including a serious hip injury which only allowed him to play 97 games with the Dodgers last season.
IMO, Just say ‘no’ – to this and PED
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Martin still put up 2.1 WAR
in 97 games last year. While posting that offensive line. Some of you are crazy of you think he is junk. If he catches the normal 120-130 games like most starting catchers do he will likely be a 3 WAR player. I dont know how many 3 WAR catchers are available turning 28 next march? This guy has 5 WAR upside if he is handeled correctly. Whats this article is completly missing is his insane workload before his decline: 145, 143 games at catcher is quite alot (151 and 155 total). This might be one reason for his decline. In my eyes he is much better option than John Buck, who other than his 2.9 WAR season this year hasnt posted any season over 1.2.
by German Red Sox Fan on Nov 27, 2010 3:38 AM EST reply actions
I do not think he is junk I am wondering if he is worth the time and effort and why he is in decline
I think most agree that the problem is he is a risk. I mean we cannot ignore the decline – maybe it is injury and overuse coupled with a possible post-PED power decline. I am just guessing that (not accusing or on a witch hunt but MLBPA and MLB brought that on themselves); however, with a major power outage across the bigs you have to wonder about guys who:
a) lost power since 2008
b) also were injured (those two could be correlated)…
I guess the question really needs to be framed like this (both have their unique risks):
1. Does Salty start with a backup TBD?
2. Does a Starter TBD come in with Salty as the backup?
I do admit our options are not great right now (which is why many advocated bringing back V-Mart which now is just crying over spilled milk)..This really makes me wonder if the Sox are going to give Salty a chance. The one thing they have going for them is he jumps into a pretty veteran staff that probably needs minimum guidance. I just do not have the answer to this – I am still left with nothing but questions and the hope that the FO has made a good decision and has a masterplan that will work. Of course, I do not take that for granted – see the Sox revolving door at Shortstop for the past 7 years or so.
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That's the thing
Even with his bat cooled off, coupled with his defense he’s still a much better option than most of what is available out there. I do think that most of that is just overuse though, 155 games for a catcher? That’s a lot no matter what the age.
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right that was the intention of my post
even if we get the Russel Martin of 2010 we still get a 3 WAR player roughly and i believe there is a decent chance of a bounceback.
by German Red Sox Fan on Nov 27, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Right now the options in FA are either a defensive guru with no bat, or an offensive player who makes his money on the HR (not unlike Hall) who will strike out a billion times with no defense whatsoever.
Martin is a nice mix of that even if he has no power.
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It is funny comparing this poll to the previous "catcher poll".
Seems like we have a few Martin conversions.
however, I bet if the previous catcher poll were re-posted
That a lot less people would be picking Martine on it than here
Of the catchers out there
I think that Martin is our best bet for success. He’s young and has had some strong seasons. Use him properly and he could be a big asset.
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