Rumor Mill: Going Hard for Crawford; V-Mart Closing Shop?
I apologize for the double entendre, but I realized that after I typed it so I couldn't resist.
Rumors aren't my ball of wax, but when Peter Gammons speaks, I tend to listen.
Anyway, Gammons brought up the points on The Big Show on WEEI that Theo & Co. are going after Crawford and that we shouldn't expect V-Mart to be back next season. And I quote:
"There is no doubt in my mind that they are going to go really hard after Carl Crawford," said Gammons. "That will be a matchup with the Angels, and you know there are some puffs of smoke coming out of New York that suggest the Yankees might go after him, even though their primary need is pitching."
More after a jump...
Gammons also made a few comments about V-Mart's status here and even Bel-Tray, but what was more telling was about V-Mart:
"I don't expect Victor Martinez to come back, I think Detroit is going to give him four or five years," said Gammons. "And I don't think anyone else is going to give him four or five years. I'm not so sure Beltre will be back, I can't gauge that market. But I do think they will go hard after Crawford, I really believe that."
Interesting, eh? I'm pretty sure the Red Sox won't give V-Mart 4 to 5 years; 3 to 4 is more like it in my opinion. However, if he wants those 4 to 5 years then I think we've seen the last of V-Mart in Boston sadly. Maybe Jason Varitek will be back with Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who knows? Or perhaps Theo & Co. will pick up one of the other options out there for the short term (e.g. A.J. Pierzynski, John Buck, Rod Barajas)?
Oh and as for Cliff Lee? Gammons says:
"Cliff Lee is going to sign with Texas."
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Discuss!
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I can't see the Sox going over 4 years for V-Mart
But I can’t see them paying too much for Crawford either. I guess we’ll see in a few weeks.
Max I could see three guaranteed with a lower player option for 4
I don’t think they’ll have VMart next year.
The most I could see is 3 with some sort of an option for a 4th, probably club.
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Crawford
I really don’t understand all the Crawford talk – as a pure player he’s one of my favorite players in all of baseball – but I just don’t think he makes sense for the Sox.
A huge part of his value is in being probably the best defensive LF in baseball, which is wasted in Fenway. Crawford won’t play CF, and wants to bat in the middle of the order (which diminishes one of his other most valuable tools, speed on the basepaths)
The Sox already have a poor man’s Crawrford in Jacoby Ellsbury, and he’s being paid a poor man’s price.
I’d much rather see an OF of Cameron/Kalish/Ellsbury/Drew and spend the money that you would give Crawford on bringing back Beltre and/or V-Mart
I understand what you're saying.
Crawford will still play the best LF D in the AL, even though he’s in a small park. Plus, he does play 81 games outside of Fenway. Depending on what Crawford and Vic get, Crawford may or may not be a better investment.
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I'd like to see V-Mart Back
But certainly not on the 4 to 5 year deal that’s being referenced here. Granted he’s split his time at 1B with being at C, but he’s been primarily a catcher and he’s right at the tough age when it comes to doling out a contract.
As for Crawford, I severely doubt that being here in LF would hurt his defense. He plays here enough with TB and if he’s signed here, he’ll get used to the wall, etc. for sure. Cameron has one more year, as does Drew and don’t expect either one to be back after this year. So Theo & Co. can spend on another OF and still keep Ellsbury. Plus, we’ve got the OF prospects in Kalish, Nava, and Reddick to fill out the field if need be.
$$ may not be as big of an issue once several contracts are off the books this season and next, so it’s very possible to see some FA contracts being doled out.
Speaking of Ellsbury, he could very well be traded on potential. I know he’s had a down year, but he’s got the beginnings of a track record and has the potential, and could be quite trade-able on that alone. With the glut of OFs in the system, he could be gone, as much as Theo & Co. like him.
That’s right, insert Adrian Gonzalez speculation here. It’s a very low chance, but it’s a rumor that won’t die,
Defense
I’m not saying Crawford’s defense would suffer in Fenway – quite the contrary – I’m saying LF in Fenway is not a difficult position to play. It has it’s quirks with the wall, but overall, you don’t need a plus defender there.
I really don’t think an Ellsbury deal is likely this offseason. Coming off the injury, it just seems like selling low, and as much as I think he’ll make a full recovery, you don’t see teams deal for guys coming off injuries
Plus Ellsbury makes close to the minimum, and does many of the same things Crawford does except Crawford would cost 15-20 million; I just don’t see the reasoning there
I personally like the point you make about Drew’s contract coming off the books NEXT year, but I can’t see the front office operating like that.
I like Rogue’s point below of if you’re going to spend that kind of money on a position that doesn’t seem to need it – sign Lee
Crawford's D and Such
I misunderstood your previous post, definite my bad :)
Then if we keep Ells, we can still get Crawford. Have him hit 6th in the lineup perhaps and have him patrol CF or LF depending upon how either him or Ells do in Spring Training. So you’d have an OF of Crawford-Ells-Drew, with Cam being on the bench or splitting time with whoever is in CF. Both Ells and Cam are coming off of injury, so expect them both to handled with kid gloves. Makes sense if they platooned.
Drew’s contract is coming off next year, and it’s certainly something they have to consider when offering a long-term contract with any OF.
We have plenty of OFs in the system for sure, but I can see them being used as trade bait possibly; the benefits of having an excellent farm system surely help.
All of Crawford's power
from what I saw (I am a Rays STH) was in the power ally in right. I don’t think he hits as many HR in Fenway as in the Trop. He does struggle against lefties, but from I have seen he is a hell of a player.
FWIW I would keep VMART and move him to first, let Beltre walk (he has had one great year before). Watching the Rays play the Sox could be painful over the last two years: there were games where the Rays stole at will. I don’t think VMart is the answer behind the plate, but he does hit. I would also go after Benoit (He is a type 2 FA) and Wheeler.
I still think there is no option but the go after Lee.
Tough offseason
I’ve changed my expectations, I don’t expect to see VMart back, I go back and forth between thinking he or Beltre should be the one we HAVE to bring back but I’m starting to expect neither. With that money I’d rather see us sign Lee than an OF’er though, we have 0 need for one at the moment and you can ALWAYS improve a rotation, and with a Yankee killer?
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I brought it up in my FanPost
But he’s aging…32 years old IIRC. And I don’t see anything beyond a 4 year contract if the Red Sox offered anything. I’m sure he’s looking for something in the neighborhood of 5-7 years. Not saying it’s impossible, but more improbable.
And I seriously don’t think Theo & Co. would offer that long of a contract to a pitcher of that age, no matter how good he is. Besides, it’s been said: Texas’ payroll with be higher next season compared to this season and they’ll make a hard push to keep Lee.
I think he stays in Texas too
But I’d rather see us push to sign him than any outfielder.
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The only way V-Mart gets 4 is if Big Papi doesn't get his 2 or more years in a new contract.
V-Mart would catch and transition into the DH role after 2011 (and against lefties in 2010).
If I remember correctly
V-Mart has said he’d prefer being a catcher first before anything else. Not sure if he’s said anything specific about eventually transitioning though.
He makes more money as a catcher
Where his bat is elite, rather than a 1B/DH where is bat is much more middle of the road. It’s money, he’ll get paid big if a team like Detroit believes he can be a catcher for more than 3 years.
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Catching and hitting have to be separate.
Catcher get so dinged up during the season, let alone one game, that it is really difficult to rely on their bat in the lineup, let alone a long term contract.
I am more in the mindset that if a catcher has a Johnny Bench bat and slugging pct, a GM and Manager should decide what is more important, his defensive skills or his bat. If his bat is more important, than he should change positions. I just think a catcher shouldn’t be a key linchpin in the batting line up for the season because too much crap happens every inning behind the plate.
I think for Victor, I would probably emphasize more the 1B/DH role, especially he gets a 4 year deal. One reason I don’t like the Twinkies’ Mauer contract is too many things can go wrong behind the plate for such a long term and large investment.
The two position players that are forgiven for having Mendoza line batting averages in my book are pitchers and catchers. Even though watching Tek in the 2008 ALCS was painful.
he's said he prefers catching, but is happy to play anywhere
his bat, however, is not great as a DH.
Crawford makes no sense
they have a simaler player in Ellsbury and need a right handed bat.
Go after Werth.
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I agree, I just don't see Crawford as being a fit for the Sox, no matter what I hear
If I have to choose where to spend that amount of money though, I’d take Beltre over Werth any day.
I don't think Beltre will stay
after hearing Youk’s comments today.
Werth is good enough for me to play LF.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Youk knows whether Beltre will stay
If I recall, he usually prepares to be a third baseman anyways
i hope you are right
youks comment may be tied to amount of years beltre is looking for, which puts the sox at odds
I just don't think the players are all tied into the front office in the offseason
I think they get their news from sportscenter, same as the rest of us in the offseason. I remember hearing about I think it was Wakefield showing up to spring training and saying to somebody else “what’re those guys doing here?” when the sox brought in some free agents. I think he’s just preparing for the year. I’m sure the Sox would like him to prepare to be a 3B just in case, but I don’t think that’s necessarily indicative of their plan.
and yeah, I think Werth would be great in left field, definitely would help the team
I have two reasons for preferring to spend that money on Beltre though
1- I think the total offensive/defensive difference between Scutaro and Beltre (I’m putting Lowrie at short because he belongs there) is greater than the total offensive/defensive difference between Werth and some combo of Cameron/Kalish in 2011.
2- After 2011, we do have two holes in the outfield, but if they can’t be filled internally (Kalish/Reddick/Lin/whoever emerges), there are at least some OK options on the free agent market- Maybe try to bring Drew back for a year, DeJesus, Bautista, and more; meanwhile the 3rd base FA class consists entirely of Aramis “looks cooked to me” Ramirez, Mark “master of the DL” DeRosa, Edwin “just awful” Encarnacion, and Greg “I only pinch-hit” Dobbs.
You make very good points
And I would like Beltre too. It just seems unrealistic.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm more worried about Victor.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 2, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
vmart is going to detroit – they tend to spend more than the player is worth.
i doubt the sox will even offer 3 years. they offered two, to increase that now, may set a bad precedent for the wrong player for that.
maybe the sox will increase the $ per year, but not the years.
gonz is gone
I think the two year deal offer was to test the market
I think the Sox ar a runner to get him, but I’m still worried.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the opposite.
They may end up with him, but I don’t see it. Of course he’s going to turn down a preliminary offer; the negotiations don’t start out high. Vic could most likely get 4 yrs somewhere. Since the ore offer was not at least a three, it gave me the opinion that the sox are saying, “we don’t really want you, but do you want to sign a bargain contract?”.
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by BoldandBrash on Nov 3, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only two people who have a gist if Beltre will sign with the Sox are..
Theo and Scott Boras. Boras will probably push for the years in the contract, besides opt out clauses, etc.
I really see Beltre signing with the Angels. I don’t see him coming back to the Sox at the Sox’s terms, which is probably a three year deal.
although if we're going for a free agent
I’d give Beltre 4 years before I’d give Werth 4 years. Probably both get 4 years. I dunno, I’d give it to Beltre, but I can understand the hesitation, certainly.
i thinks werth will get more than 4 years
back when damion went FA, the sox strategy was 3 years.
obviously that has increased, but 4 may be where it is now.
yea, more than 4 years makes me nervous
the sox seem ok with 5 but they like to attach some type of injury clause that calls for so many games, etc. – drew, lacker, and maybe beckett. i think something like this came up during negotiations for bay.
they should of had an “if you suck so bad that fans are committing suicide then the contract is voided” clause for julio.
according to you
we never get anybody good.
Cliff Lee is going to the Yankees, we dont get Beltre, Vmart ist going to Detroit etc.
You do realise we are the 2nd biggest franchise and have somewhere between 50-70M to spend on free agents?
We are getting someone good for sure.
If we dont end up with either Beltre, Vmart or Lee. I’ll be seriously suprised and extremly angry at the front office.
by German Red Sox Fan on Nov 3, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
get prepared to be angry.. very angry
I am just completely speculating, but I have followed Theo’s moves since he has been GM, besides his pissing matches with Larry Lucchino. The Sox’s front office pretty much has a policy of not bidding against themselves for a player, so the prices and years are not inflated. (Like the signing of Mikey Lowe)
As much they worked with Scott Boras to get JD Drew to the Sox, (and rumors of collusion to get him opt out of contract with the Dodgers) I think the Sox as many GMs are pretty leery in dealing with Boras, mainly how Boras artificially inflates contracts, whether it is Zito’s and A-Rod’s or the two year disaster deal of Andruw Jones. Let alone that Manny’s antics in 2008 had Boras’s fingerprints all over them, so Manny could force a trade and Boras can get a commission for a brand new Manny contract.
The Sox also have a formula in the maximum in contract durations for each player, which is why they are sticklers of for multi year contracts. Sometimes it hurts them, Julio Lugo is an example of bad metrics, sometimes they miss a bullet, like the Pedro Martinez signing, ditto with Jason Bay. They obviously are practicing some serious risk management.
Cliff Lee is probably going to the Yankees, for the main reason that the MFY can offer him the highest amount for the longest duration. If Lee signs with Texas or another club, he will probably leave alot of money on the table, however, I think a big selling point for Lee right now is the length of the contract, given he has been on four team in less than two years..
I don’t know how the Sox will spend their money in the off season., but how they approach the Teixiera sweepstakes, they did go the extra mile, but they folded a bit before the MFYs offered much more for Teixiera’s services. They tend to stick their plan, and do have a take or leave it attitude, like how they dealt with Nomar, who basically shot himself in the foot, along with his agent, Arn Tellem back in 2002/2003 They offered lucrative contracts but they are pretty tough on length, with showing some leeway to pitchers.
The Sox also liked to go hard right before the season or during the season for people they want to retain, like Lester, Beckett, Pedroia and Youklis. They tend to go through the motions for players like Bay and what they offered Victor Martinez during the season
The Sox will go after Lee, because they have to, but I think it is more to drive up his price if the MFY are going to sign him. The Sox have some issues, but they have five starting pitchers under contract. Starting pitching isn’t a priority compare to other clubs.
I think the main reason why Beltre and Martinez won’t sign with the Sox is they can get longer deals elsewhere. I really think if the Sox wanted Martinez, they would try to give him a serious offer before 2010 spring training, and offer him the years he probably wants.
I think the biggest move in the offseason for the Sox will be shopping Daisuke around for the best return in prospects. They will move Youk to third and look for a short term 1b replacement. I have no idea what they will do for catching.
I agree with some of it.
I think Lee is a longshot and the Red Sox will only be in it to ensure the price will be atleast in the 5/125 area.
I think other teams will offer Vmart more and the Sox might set their priority somewhere else, because there are alternatives to Vmart like Ianetta.
But Beltre man, I think the Sox will be in on it hard. Maybe i’m just naive but i think he is the top priority! Moving Youk to 3b at 32 is just more of wild fan speculations than future reality ihmo. That said there just isnt much alternative at 3B besides Beltre.
The offseason you picture the Sox end up with a 125M payroll and a team which needs a couple of career years to even be in contention. That just doesnt seem highly likely in my eyes. I just think the Sox will spend atleast 50M somewhere.
by German Red Sox Fan on Nov 3, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether the Sox go all out on Beltre..
Beltre is a Boras Client, so is Werth. Boras tends to piss off a team with his antics that jeopardizes his other clients. A good example is how the Angels blacklisted Boras and his free agents after the Teixiera deal..
Boras tries to get the best deal for his client, but the Sox FO, pretty much doesn’t budge on contract duration, they are pretty generous for the money per year.
What does Boras does to artificially inflates his clients, is he goes to one team, tells them, another team will bid for more and go back and fourth, even though he basically lies about the set price and contract length.
The A-Rod contract is a perfect example, Hicks bit for 250/25, even though the second highest bid was something like $170 million. Ditto with the Zito deal with the SF Giants, which they are going to regret for a very long time. It is more like he finds sucker GMs than a good bidding war.
As I said the Sox Front Office is very tight with contract length, and Boras will use that more to egg on other teams that his client can part of the team if they offered him another year, oh with a no trade clause, and a player’s opt out.
Look, the Sox hit well for 2010 with Pedroia and Youklis out of the lineup. They had two Cy Young worthy candidates. The other two starting pitchers could bounce back, (I bet Lackey has a better chance than Beckett for a good 2011) What was the Sox downfall was the bullpen, and especially middle relief. Most of the time, middle relievers are the least paid players on the club, and Theo doesn’t look like he is going to splurge on. I don’t payroll is going to be a problem, even though the Sox liked to below the Luxury Tax threshold, it is more about picking good talent for the bullpen.
The Sox were in contention this year, It was the series in St. Petersburg in August that they lost 2 out of 3 that sealed their season. They may have a better chance for contention in the AL East even if they do nothing because the Rays aren’t going to be the same club next year after cutting payroll to $45 million, they aren’t going to have their bullpen, which was a great strength for the club in 2010.
The Sox problem is that they have to rebuild the bullpen, and it appears throwing money at it won’t solve the problem. Hell putting 10 more feet to the Bullpen may screw up the bullpen’s ERA even more.
The Sox and Boras
So you believe Beltre might end up with the Angels, while they have blacklisted Boras and his Free Agents? Even after the Teixeira negotiations the Sox signed Varitek and also Beltre last year. They have to deal with Boras in the Ellsbury arbitration. Yeah the Sox might not be happy dealing with Boras but if they blacklist all of Boras clients they handcuff themselves and the last 2 years have shown they can overcome personal differences for whats best for the Sox. Again we will spend prolly atleast 50M in contracts for 2011, maybe even close to 70M. That money has to go to some good players, i just have a hard time to believe that the Sox dont get atleast one of Vmart, Beltre and Lee. Especially since i believe 3B and catcher is a bigger need than OF.
by German Red Sox Fan on Nov 4, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say the Sox blacklisted Boras..
I just wrote that many GMs are leery of Boras. Boras is a necessary evil, but his presentations at the Winter Meetings are more rolling of one’s eyes than taken seriously. There is a reason why he has the top free agents as clients, he knows how to negotiate
Boras has also blown it, with the Varitek contract as a prime example, because they declined arbitration. Which put Varitek over a barrel, and take a big pay cut
A-Rod pretty much went behind his back to get his deal with the MFY after the 2007 season.
The Angels appeared to shun Boras after the 2008 season over the Teixiera dealings, and refuse to look at Manny or other Boras clients for the off season. Boras has basically lied to teams. Which makes some sense, because some contracts were not even close to the second highest bidder, and way over inflated.
If the Sox are going to have difficulty with Boras over Beltre, or feel he does his lying about the offers he has received, I don’t think they are going to be all that happy in haggling over someone like Werth with Boras. Yes, it is a business, and feelings don’t matter, but the Sox and other MLB teams know Scott Boras’s antics by now..
On the payroll..
Henry has stated that team payroll will be around the same last year, $170 million. So we will see, but they have to look at their options, because other teams are going to bid strongly for both Victor Martinez and Beltre. As I stated, the Sox are sticklers for length of contract, not the sticker price.
I don’t see the Sox getting Victor Martinez, Beltre and/or Lee. They make an offer for Lee, but it won’t compete against the MFYs, and would be equal or less than the Rangers, is my opinion. the only Lee that I can see the Sox interested in is Derek Lee as a short term bridge.
No idea for catching
Yes, without V-Mart I also have no idea what the Sox will do about catching in 2011 and beyond, and that is a disturbing scenario for a team that is built to contend in 2011 and every year. It is fine to talk about relative values for catchers/DH, etc., but the fact is that these players are unique talents that are not availble very often. Unless Theo has some other plan up his sleeve, I think the Sox have to be prepared to pay V-Mart market money based upon his value to the Red Sox, his versatility and his bat. This is not the free-swinging, below average defensive player like Bay. V-mart is a professional hitter, a better than advertised defensive catcher and a solid citizen.
I do agree with him though
Maybe not on Lee, I think Lee is maybe the FA that makes the most sense for us but will end up in Texas as the cornerstone of that team and outside the pressures of NY but that’s my opinion and has been beaten to death in another post.
I don’t think we sign VMart because of the inherent risks of signing a catcher long term. He’s elite now but we may end up with a Lugo deal before long when we’re paying him tier 1 catcher money for a tier 3 1B/DH which is totally different whereas another team will be more desperate and sign him to a deal where he can make top catcher money the entire way through.
I don’t think we sign Beltre mostly because he’s shown no indication of wanting to stay and will really cost a lot to retain, especially at a position that we already have a suitable replacement for with Lowrie. Scoot plays a solid short and we’d have been singing his praises at the end of the year if he had remained healthy. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see if they experiment with Rizzo at 3B this next season, just in case they’d prefer not to move Youk away from first.
I know we’ve got this money but the two guys we stand to lose are lose-able because of our ability to replace them from within or because of the concern of their long term stability at a specific position.
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Can't say Crawford makes no sense
Just depends on the situation. I mean having him AND Ells for the long haul may be a bit much, but say we have that situation half of the year and Ells has done well enough…to be a mid-season trade chip.
It could happen as both Weth and Crawford have their pluses and minuses. I lean a little toward Crawford as he’s a little younger (29 versus 31) and has played in the AL East and done well to boot.
Somebody tell why Werth is “oh-so-much” better than Crawford because I have yet to hear those arguments. For me, it’s pretty close.
Also, what is each player looking for in a contract, do we know that yet?
I'd take Werth over Crawford because
I think Crawford’s skill set is a little more wasted at Fenway than it is at other places- Great left field defense, great speed and there are just other places he’ll be more valuable. I think Werth’s raw right-handed power fits the Sox needs more. Also, just that Werth is going to get a smaller contract than Crawford in years and $ per year (that’s the big one for me)
i like werth too
but probably because i don’t like crawford because of his cheap stuff in the fight with coco
but who i would take, depends on the contracts
but i would definitively, probably take one, maybe
i guess it depends on lee
If our offseason is getting Crawford
and not resigning Beltre and also not Vmart, i’ll be extremly pissed. Jesus the mainstream media is just so bad when it comes to baseball analysis, its ridiculous! Gammons tells shit all the time.
by German Red Sox Fan on Nov 3, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
That doesn't mean
That Theo & Co. won’t be going after Crawford; remember he’s had an affinity for certain TB players for a while now. Clearly he missed on Lugo and to a degree Baldelli (though he was meant to be a bench/role player).
good observation
but i don’t think the tb connection is with theo.
i think it is with Mr Henry.
i think Mr Henry, for whatever reason, was awed with slugo.
theo et al, were a bunch of wimps – they should have told Mr Henry to go pound sand
yea, right.
I think the reason why the Sox go through Shortstops as Spinal Tap goes through drummers
because Theo and the Front Office want a Jeter clone, or Nomah in his prime, but mainly a Jeter clone. Rentería was suppose to be an OBP machine and a good SS, he turn out to be okay at the plate and we all know his defensive skills at Fenway.
Lugo was brought in for the same reasons, as a table setter at the top of the lineup, and some solid defense. He royally blew up as the lead off batter, and he turn out to be a mediocre short stop, and the Sox can’t have a poor defensive shortstop in the Group of Death aka AL East
Of all the Shortstops that have come and gone since Nomah was kicked to the curb, I would say Alex Gonzalez was the best of a bad lot, which isn’t saying much. Carbera was probably second.
I am convinced that Beltre stays. Not really sure with V-mart. If the Sox part with Beltre and V-Mart they will need another bat and that is assuming Big Papi stays
Here’s the thing if they let those two walk for potential draft picks they create huge holes in the lineup. Why not resign Beltre? He is a big bat and great fit in Fenway and they have the need. Otherwise, you are still paying big money for a bat. Does Adam Dunn replace him? Crawford or Werth? (Others are not high on Werth cuz his numbers are not great outside of the Phil’s park. Those two do not play 3b so if you sign them then you still have the hole at 3rd.
Moving Youk to 3rd weakens 1b and 3b- Adam Dunn is not Youk (but, you get a big bat that can mash hard so that would work). Youk’s defense at 3b is not as good as Beltre’s either.
Take a look at Youk/Beltre metrics on 1b and 3b along with their offense – that is the best scenario. Then, the next best is Youk/Dunn – although you still pay big $$$ for Dunn and you weaken the defense. Beltre based on need is a must sign and the price would be similar to Dunn – the Sox might have to get over the length.
I have to think they get the Beltre deal done. I think Beltre and relief pitching are the biggest needs. And, the Sox may overpay for Beltre – they have the need unlike with Tex – they had Youk so overpaying did not make sense.
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I also heard the Gammons interview
First of all, could Gammons possibly arrange to take these calls on a landline?
My heart dropped when he said the Sox would not retain V-mart. I don’t get it. And I don’t entierly get the Crawford deal. Crawford is an excellent player, but I see him as a top of the order hitter and the Sox already have two good playes, Ellsbury and Pedroia there. I guess Crawford could hit third if/when V-mart is gone, but Crawford does not strike me as the middle of the order big bat the Sox will need long term, especially for the investment. Werth may be a better fit for this. In either case, both are excellent player/hitters and will be an asset to any team. I’m sure I could live with an OF of Werth/Crawford, Ellsbury and Drew, with Kalish/Reddick on the step to replace Drew. That could actually be a killer OF for years to come.
As for Beltre, I beleive he will go to the Angels if they don’t sign Crawford. Boras moves his clients around to help make the market.
vmart - as likeable of a player that he is -
he’s also the most expendable as far as creating cap room.
assuming papi is signed or another dh is signed for similar money that papi walked away from, the sox strong point is offense – we score runs!
therefore, one less offensive gun will haardly be missed.
vmart sucks on defense.
just getting predoia and youk back, should make up for vmart’s departure. we should be further ahead with whoever we sign in FA.
i don't know
since i wrote that, iv’e had a revelation that i don’t know.
and the reason being is what do we do with the saved cash from not signing victor?
will adding werth or crawford while subtracting victor be a team upgrade?
assuming lee is out of the realm of possibilities.
i need to revelate a little more.
i’ll be back
Red sox should go get AGon
He’s 28, hits for power, AVG, OBP & plays great defense.






























