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David Ortiz For Two Years: Does It Make Sense?

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For eight years, David Ortiz has been the Red Sox. More than Jason Varitek, Manny Ramirez, Dustin Pedroia, or any other star or fan favorite vet, it's been all about David Ortiz. For his 40+ home run seasons, his walk-offs, and for just being Papi.

But the last few seasons haven't quite been the same. For whatever reason, it's been slow start after slow start for David Ortiz, and each year, the fans get restless, and start thinking "maybe this is it, maybe it's time to bench Ortiz." Sometimes it didn't even stop there; I've never been more upset with parts of the Red Sox fanbase than when I have heard a smattering of boos with David Ortiz coming to the plate. Never a majority, but even so.

It's no surprise that Papi is not a huge fan of this criticism. In fact, in a recent interview with WEEI, he even suggested it may have effected his performance:

"I'm just a little worn out because of the negativity that I've dealt with the last few years," Ortiz insisted. "I don't think there's any baseball player that can deal with all the distractions that I deal with and play baseball."

In that same interview, Ortiz reiterated his desire for a multi-year contract, saying he would be "uncomfortable" if the Sox simply picked up his option. While there's little doubt that David Ortiz will be back with the Red Sox next year, how they go about it is entirely up in the air. My question here is: is there any reason the Sox should agree to a two-year deal?

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First, let's assume that any two-year deal would be for about $20 million. There's no way the team will just pay him the same amount on a longer contract as they could by picking up his option, so a 20% discount to $10 million per year seems about right.

Now, WAR valuations being what they are, it's hard for any DH to be worth $12.5 million a year-Ortiz barely broke that mark last year--but let's take a step back from stuff like that and look at him purely offensively. After all, unless the Red Sox have Youkilis go down at some point in the season (I cannot knock on wood hard enough), Ortiz would have to be better than the gold glover defensively for his playing the position to have any practical value for the team.

Last year seemed like something of a revival for Ortiz. After suffering through yet another slow start, collecting just eight hits in April, Ortiz exploded in May for a line of .363/.424/.788, averaging out to a decent level for much of the rest of the year before killing it again in September. Still, even ignoring April, he was not the old Papi. In his best years, Ortiz just did not see many months of .850 OPS production. In fact...

April 2003 - .657

May 2004 - .823

April 2005 - .862

May 2006 - .802

That was it from 2003-2007. Compare that to a .524 mark in April, .848 in July, and .855 in August. Then there's the fact that, at 28%, his K-rate has risen dramatically, and he was running a little high on BABIP despite not putting up uncharacteristically high line drive percentages. Make no mistake: even in this renaissance year, Papi was not the old Papi. He probably never will be again.

Realistically, what can we expect? Probably more of the same. Another 2010, or maybe 2008 at the worst. And at that level of production, sure, the Red Sox can definitely spare the $12.5 million it'd take to bring Ortiz back compared to the huge investment it would likely take to get an equivalent player or improvement. But what we do see is a declining player. Maybe his numbers are up from the last two years, but if you factor in BABIP and the wrist injury, you probably see something much closer to a trend. And when it comes to declining players at Ortiz' age, the shorter the deal the better. Adding $7.5 million to Ortiz' deal for an extra year doesn't make a lot of sense given the chances that Ortiz' production falls off a cliff.

Verdict:  Pick up the option, pass on the extension.

OK, so that's the super-logical, statistical approach to things. Now let's look at the rest of the picture.

As I said earlier, David Ortiz is the Red Sox. And sometimes, things like that matter more than the math. If David Ortiz wants a (reasonably priced) two-year deal, then David Ortiz should get a two-year deal. Part of it is strategy: the Red Sox can't afford to always be cold and calculating when it comes to negotiations. If a free agent comes down to two big-market teams willing to pay them a ton of money, stuff like this comes into the picture. Fans care about it too. With so many saying that this team lacks both heart and an identity (personally, with guys like Pedroia, Lester, and Youkilis, I don't buy that, but the argument is out there), it just doesn't need to come off as cold-hearted to the most popular player in Boston. It's not like this is a foreign concept to the Red Sox, either. Just a couple years ago they gave Jason Varitek a two-year deal after by far the worst season in his long career.

When it comes right down to it, $7.5 million is not too high a price to put on loyalty, especially when Ortiz could very well be worth the money at the plate to begin with. In a year where the Yankees are expected to be dropping mounds of cash on a highly undeserving Jeter (statistically), it really behooves the Red Sox to once more put down the calculator and just shake hands with the man who's been synonymous with their team for the better part of a decade.

Verdict:  Give the man his security. Sign Big Papi!

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We may actually need to give him a two year deal.

If we picked up the option and got rid of him after that, then who are we going to replace him with? Lars, Rizzo, and Lavarnway probably wont be ready by next year, IMO. The two year deal gives us security at the position. Even if he only OPSs about .850, IIRC that’s still pretty good for a DH.

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by BoldandBrash on Oct 31, 2010 10:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Only about 15% of the 300 MLB players with 250+ PAs

Had an OPS of .850 or higher. So yeah, I’d say .850 is a reasonable target for a DH. I’d prefer .900, but .850’s pretty good, too.

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by lone1c on Oct 31, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not do what they did with Varitek?

Change his contract to give the team another 1-year option at the same salary, and Ortiz a player option at between $6 and $8 million?

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by lone1c on Oct 31, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I think

2 years and maybe $7 mm may be reasonable. I would be fine with picking up his option, but if Ortiz is going to bithc all season do the two years.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 31, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

No...

It’s play 2 years for 14 million, or go play somewhere else for 1 year @ 6-8 million. No way he gets 1 year 12.5 million from anybody.

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by Lloyd Christmas on Oct 31, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see to find out who’s right.

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by Lloyd Christmas on Nov 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know.

With the option reportedly prepared to pick up the option at $12.5mm/1, that’d be like saying “Play year 2 at 1.5 million”

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by Ben Buchanan on Nov 1, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, ok

now I see your point

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 1, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Decline the club option.....

Offer him two years, no more than 7 million per. If he doesn’t like it, sign A. Dunn to a one year deal. I’d rather see the Sox overpay for one season of A. Dunn, than Ortiz. Dunn won’t feel slighted by the Sox with a one year deal, Papi might.

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by Lloyd Christmas on Oct 31, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Dunn will feel slighted by the DH position

He doesn’t want to do it and someone will pay him 1B money for several years anyway. Unless we offer a ridiculous 1 year deal he can’t hope to live up to, Dunn will be going elsewhere.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 31, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

He was lucky to get a 2 year deal @ 10 million per in his first shot at free agency. He was coming off of 5 consecutive 40HR seasons and was 29 years old. What makes you believe he will get 3-4 years at age 31?

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by Lloyd Christmas on Oct 31, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

because I think he'll be convinced he should DH

but it will take a 3-4 year offer to convince him of it. He’d need to take a short contract if he was going to insist on playing the field because his awful defense is likely to just get worse, but there’s no reason to believe that his bat is going to fall off a cliff at age 31.

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

it won’t fall off a cliff, in two years. But it might in four. No way he gets more than a two year deal.

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by Lloyd Christmas on Oct 31, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunn lucky?

Sure, he became a FA in the worst FA market a couple of years ago and the Nationals got him at a discount, but Dunn is one of the most underrated, or underappreciated players in the game. Check him out. Dunn is the only player available I would like more than Papi for the DH spot.
We will also see just how much Dunn insists on playing the field if the Yankees get involved.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 1, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the Nats would offer him more

Also the Yanks need a DH They’ll pay for more than 2 years.

by brogshan on Nov 1, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You forget

The Yanks may keep Lance Berkman around as a DH/1B if he’s up to it. Granted, they could buy out his club option, but the possibility of Lance staying in NYY is there.

by Raj Ghetia on Nov 2, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sox can't control that situation

Sign Dunn to a one year deal? Why not sign Carl Crawford to a one or two year deal? Be realistic. And how do you know Dunn won’t feel slighted? Is not about players feeling slighted, it is about putting a team together and working in the world of the possible. If they cut Papi loose, they have no guarantee of signing Dunn or anybody else. The timing of the option is no accident, the Sox must decide on the option before players file for FA. My guess is they end up picking up the option while negotiating a 2 year deal.
Papi put up great DH numbers the past two seasons, but all some remember is the horrid Aprils. There is also the tendency among some to blame the outspoken stars for team shortcomings. Papi has put up big numbers in Boston and he wants to stay here. I am sure that a 2-year, $20 mill. deal will not sink the Red Sox’ finances or prevent them from signig any other players.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 1, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give him a two-year deal, but make it incentive-laden.

And not just ridiculous “300 PA”-types of incentives, but real ones – 25 HR’s, .850 OPS, etc.

by dsharp on Oct 31, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he'd probably turn that down

kind of goes against the whole reason why he wants a multi-year deal

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

then move on after 2011, or possibly even...

drop him now and use the money to re-sign V-Mart to the 4-year deal he’ll want. It totally depends on what other DH candidates are out there now. V-Mart can always DH as his time behind the plate decreases.

I luv Papi, but this kind of posturing when he’s obviously in decline is ludicrous. He’s simply not worth 12.5M/year anymore.

by dsharp on Oct 31, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No certainly not 12.5 M/year

And I hope he eventually realizes that he’s simply not worth that much. Ego cannot get in the way after a while.

by Raj Ghetia on Oct 31, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno I'd say last year he earned his money with his play

Plus a character like him makes a team more fun to watch, which is always good from a business perspective.

I think picking up the option makes a lot of sense for the team. I’m sure they’re discussing what he’s most comfortable with though. I don’t think he’s said anywhere he expects a multi-year deal at the same rate he’s making now, but these proposals of offering him a 2 year deal for a total of $14-15 million are kind of ridiculous. He’s worth more than that to the team.

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

True he'd be worth more

But perhaps not more than 2 year/20 million.

Not more than that though.

by Raj Ghetia on Oct 31, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that's what i think is reasonable

I wouldn’t offer more than that and if he wouldn’t take it, I’d just pick up the option.

by wolf9309 on Oct 31, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

But is he worth more than that to other teams?

He may be worth more than $7.5M/year to the Sox, but what are his alternatives? You can scratch half the teams off the list as he can only DH. By my count, that leaves the O’s, White Sox, Tigers, Angels, A’s, M’s, Rays, Rangers, Twins, Yanks and Red Sox. I’ve eliminated a few teams (ex: Royals) that may have a need but not the desire to ink a $10M+ DH. Of those 11, you may have other teams (ex: A’s) that may be in that same situation. I see 6 DH candidates out there in Manny, Berkman, Vlad, Thome, Oritz, Matsui. Therefore, he may be worth more than 2/$15M but do you based on his options, do you need to sign him for that amount?

by mg050369 on Nov 1, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Now ask yourself which one of those available players would you rather have on the Red Sox. Do you think the Yankees would hesititate to offer a 2 year deal to Papi? That would be a great deal for them; it gives them a solid DH they need at short money (to them) and weakens a division rival.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 1, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

To answer your question

Dunn and potentially Thome. I’ll take Dunn who is 4 years younger can play 1B/LF (albeit not well) in a pinch and has hit 40 HR’s like clockwork over the past 6 years (46, 40 4 years in a row and 38). Second, if I could sign Thome to a one year deal at a fraction of the price, allowing me to meet other team needs (bullpen, etc.) I would explore that possibility as well.

I would hate to see Big Papi in a Yankee uniform but if I had the choice of inking either to a 2/$20M deal with the other going to NY for the same deal, I’ll choose Dunn. However, I openly admit that this is pure speculation as I don’t know who his going for how much and where. However, Dunn could be the better offensive choice while Thome could be a more economical option.

by mg050369 on Nov 1, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but Dun was not on that list

The Sox have until Thursday to pick up or decline Ortiz’ option. Dunn, Thome (no way), and the rest of the FA’s cannot be contacted before Saturday or Sunday if I understand the rules. I would love the Sox to get Dunn, but that is an iffy proposition. I just read that players no longer need to officially file for FA and their former teams have a 5-day exclusive period (what joke) to negotiate.
Do the Sox have the cajones to cut Ortiz loose and take their chances in the open market? What happens if Ortiz and Dunn get snapped up by more desperate/stupid teams? What will be the reaction with the fan base if Ortiz is cut loose and the Sox end up with the ancient Thome? I think my radio will blow up.
The best move, totally in the Red Sox control and certainly their budget, is to pick up Ortiz’ option and negotiate a 2 year deal at the same time. Offer the 2 year $20 deal and he can take it or leave it. Either way the Sox will have a fine DH in 2011.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 2, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see a reason he isn't

Of those options, the only one that had a better year than Ortiz was Thome, and he’s 40, so he obviously will have a wide variety of question marks.

Vlad got $5.5 million after a really very bad year in Anaheim and I’d guess is going to be getting himself a 2-year deal for quite a bit more than that per year. Matsui just wasn’t very good. Manny played very little, didn’t hit like he used to, and has serious attitude problems. Berkman is coming off a bad year.

He looks to me like by far the most valuable option out there if he hit the open market. In any case, he is worth a lot to the Sox- yeah it’s more than he is worth to anyone else, but there IS an element of respect there; I know if my boss said to me “we can get someone who will do work pretty close to as good as yours for 75% the price, so you can either take a 25% pay cut or go work somewhere else,” you can bet that I’d be applying for other jobs by the time he finished his sentence, even if it meant making 25% less somewhere else.

by wolf9309 on Nov 1, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

His OPS vs. Lefties was .599 this past year.

That’s not an April-May slump. He’s likely going to be sitting more and more as his consistency fails. What’s a platooning, declining DH worth (one who’s admittedly still quite effective against righties)? 2/15M plus incentives I’d say.

by dsharp on Nov 1, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I'd just say that in the scheme of the team's payroll

the difference between that and 2/20M is pretty minimal and will make him more comfortable that the team has faith in him, which hopefully keeps him from pressing too hard if he struggles again at the beginning.

by wolf9309 on Nov 1, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

2/$15M and a club opiton in a vacuum, however...

There are other options and you have to keep 2012 in mind:

Sign a 1 year stopgap in the form of Berkman, Lee (assuming Atlanta doesn’t offer arbitration) or LaRoche with Anderson or Rizzo taking over full time in 2012.

Ink Crawford and go with a pseduo 4 man outfield/DH rotation.

Try to tempt Dunn into a 3 or 4 year deal as a DH and occassional 1B/LF.

Go young and internal (Kalish, Lars, etc.) and use the extra funds to ink more pressing needs (Beltre, VMart, relievers, etc.).

As much as I like the lineup flexibility that the other options bring, I would bring back Ortiz at 2/$15M if I could. However, I would hesitate to pursue the other options if that wasn’t feasible.

by mg050369 on Oct 31, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

The old Papi is gone

By “old Papi is gone” I mean that one of the great things about Ortiz 2004-2007 used to be that he could hit well regardless of the pressure. Now he’s turned into a big baby with a fragile ego. Every time he opens his mouth these days his value goes down in my eyes.

by Jim in NC on Oct 31, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Well he's expecting to get a contract

And he’s trying to put in himself in a position to get his last contract, and he’s playing hardball. Can’t blame him, but he’s got to be careful not to alienate the fans and/or team.

by Raj Ghetia on Oct 31, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big baby?

He wants to play for the Red Sox. He has performed for the Red Sox. Yes, he wants more than a one year deal. How would you feel about your job if your employer said you will only be with the company for one more year at your current (not $12mil.) salary? Is a player bitching when he says he wants to stay on the team? Isn’t that a positive thing? He didn’t say anythig bad about the Red Sox. He wants a phone call to him or his agent to see where he stands. I feel his value and contribution to the Red Sox “brand” over the past few years merits a little communcation.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 1, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not Saying That

Not saying that he’s being a big baby. Just saying that in the world the media machine, you just need to be a bit careful. Not saying he isn’t being careful, though I expect him to be classy as much as he can.

I expect him to play a bit of hardball and in my eyes, he’s earned it. In the end, he’s still hit around 30 HRs and around 100 RBIs the past two seasons, so one has to take that into consideration.

However he has to seriously realize that one of these days, the slow start in April will be ongoing for longer than anybody wants because age is catching up with him.

by Raj Ghetia on Nov 1, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

People forget how poorly he was treated by the fans back in April

I’d be a little “hurt” too if the fans and media were calling for me to be benched a week into the season. And yes, his April was abysmal, but I don’t blame him for talking about being frustrated. He should have been frustrated! I agree with Ben that the boos were completely unwarranted at the time. If there’s anyone who should have been cut some slack, it’s Ortiz.

And for the record, I’m on board with the 2 yr/$20M plan. It might be overpaying a little, but to me, seeing Papi retire as a Red Sox is worth it.

by travben85 on Nov 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 Years/$20 Million

That’s my take on it and that’s the max I’d be willing to pay him if I was in charge.

I’m not so who knows what they’ll do.

But anything more than that is too much.

by Raj Ghetia on Nov 1, 2010 3:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Fanbase Appeasment, Business Decisons, Loyalty to a Great Employee, and Money Ball

Well, this will be interesting. As Ben pointed put he is the face of the Sox two World Series. Sometimes, you are darned if you do and darned if you don’t….

This whole issue reminds me of the Army’s retirement song
“Old Soldiers never die, never die, never die
Old Soldiers never die – they just fade away.”

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by Dave D on Nov 1, 2010 3:32 AM EDT reply actions  

General MacArthrur

That quote is from General MacArthur’s retirement speech at West Point.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 1, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scoop you are a little confused I think on both the origin of the qoute and when he said it, FYI, he was qouting the Army ballad before Congress after he was fired but he did not pen the phrase and it was not at farewell to the Point

For all who do not like or care for history skip this post. Also, to clarify and help you get the real ‘Scoop’ on this phrase and set the record straight so as not to revise our change our rich military heritgage and tradition that the General himself so loved and respected: General MacArthur qouted the already existent ballad to Congress after being fired by give ’em hell Harry Truman during the Korean Intervention:

I am closing my fifty-two years of military service. When I joined the army, even before the turn of the century, it was the fulfillment of all my boyish hopes and dreams.

The world has turned over many times since I took the oath on the plain at West Point, and the hopes and dreams have long since vanished, but I still remember the refrain of one of the most popular barracks ballads of that day which proclaimed most proudly that old soldiers never die; they just fade away.

And like the old soldier of that ballad, I now close my military career and just fade away, an old soldier who tried to do his duty as God gave him the light to see that duty. Good-by.

His farewell speech at the Point was based on the Cadet’s Code: “Duty, Honor, Country” – again, he did not pen those words but blazed the meaning on the hearts of the then current and future Long Grey Line:

Duty, Honor, Country: Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying points: to build courage when courage seems to fail; to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith; to create hope when hope becomes forlorn. Unhappily, I possess neither that eloquence of diction, that poetry of imagination, nor that brilliance of metaphor to tell you all that they mean.

Here are the verses to the Army Ballad

Old Soldiers Never Die

There is an old cookhouse, far far away
Where we get pork and beans, three times a day.
Beefsteak we never see, damn-all sugar for our tea
And we are gradually fading away.

Old soldiers never die,
Never die, never die,
Old soldiers never die
They just fade away.

Privates they love their beer, ‘most every day.
Corporals, they love their stripes, that’s what they say.
Sergeants they love to drill. Guess them bastards always will
So we drill and drill until we fade away.

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Nov 2, 2010 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

didn’t know that. i thought it was an original quote.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 2, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I started reading through this comments section

I had no idea I would get an Army history lesson. That said, thanks Dave.

by travben85 on Nov 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give the guy a break

He is not “bitching” about his contract. He is technicially under contract until 3 days after the WS ends. Papi wants to stay in Boston, that is a good attitude. Sure, he has had bad starts the past two years, but he came out of two huge slumps in a big way, that says something about his athletic character.
Sign the man to a 2 year deal. Not for old times sake, because he is an excellent DH on a team that needs him.

by Scoop1981 on Nov 1, 2010 7:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Anything more than 2011 is a big mistake

If the extra years will make him pout, let him go on the open market.

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by gizmosandy on Nov 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Which isn't to say

That I don’t want him around beyond 2011, just not for ridiculous money.

I still stand by my 2 years/20 million contract.

If I’m not making sense, blame the combo of Mucinex and Tylenol…

by Raj Ghetia on Nov 2, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overpayment

In general terms, MLB teams, especially wealthy contending teams like the Red Sox, often “overpay” for players, and it is not always a bad thing. In terms of this Papi contract discussion, I don’t believe the 2 years/$20 million is an overpayment in any way, but some do.
Every team that want to contend will overpay for players, often giving long term contracts knowing full well that a given player won’t be “worth” the salary in the last year or two of the contract. Are they all stupid? I don’t think so. They are simply paying the ante for acquiring or keeping very rare talents. Are the Red Sox “underpaying” Bucholz? No, he is getting the money he is entitled to under the collective bargaining agreement. Are the Sox overpaying Drew? Probably, but they needed a good OF a few years ago and he was available for a given cost. Foulke a few years ago was a great example. The Sox signed him to a three year deal after the “closer by commitee” disaster of 2003. Foulke had a great year in 2004, and was probably the most important player, along with Ortiz in the 2004 postseason. Did the Sox overpay, in technical terms, for Foulke? Yes. He was useless the other two years of his contract, but they had a clear need for a closer and he was one of the best available and a deal was struck.
The Sox have plenty of money and they have shown a willingness to spend it and generally spend it wisely.

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