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The Taiwanese God Of Walks

Lately the name of Che-Hsuan Lin has been been discussed a lot in the comments boards with different opinions and I thought, as the self proclaimed President of Lin's Fan Club, I need to write a lengthy post (again) about him, I'll try to be neutral during that analysis, mixing in numbers and scouting reports.

First of all, let's try to get a picture of what the skills set is, starting with the approach at the plate:

Year

Age

League

League Average Age

BB%

K%

2007

18

GCL-NYPL

-

8.7%

20.8%

2008

19

SAL (Low A)

21.6

10.4%

14.9%

2009

20

CL (High A)

22.8

11.7%

13.4%

2010

21

EL (AA)

24.3

13.3%

11.6%

 

Maintaining your strengths against a better competition is good, improving those strengths make you special! Let's crunch some numbers

Eastern League OBP Leaderboard (Minimum 400 PA)

1. Tagg Bozied   .402

2. Darin Mastroianni   .390

3. Che-Hsuan Lin   .386

4. Ray Chang  .384

5. Nate Spears  .380

I don't know about you but this is pretty impressive to me especially when you consider that Tagg Bozied is 30 years old, that Mastroianni is 24, Chang's 26 and Spears is 25. He's the youngest player in the Top 20 (The 2nd youngest is New Britain's OF Ben Revere who's 22). With 72 BBs, he ranks also 3th in the EL, trailing Mastroianni and teammate Nate Spears (25 years old). He's also the only hitters of all those I mentioned to have a 1+ BB/K, how he does it?

Lin knows the strike zone well and rarely chases bad pitches.  Very good at working himself into hitter's counts.  Doesn't get himself out and has no problem taking a close pitch.  His batting eye is right up there with Kalish.  Lin has the bat control to spoil pitches and makes pitchers consistently throw him strikes to get him out.                                                                                                                                                                                                   Chris Mellen at SoxProspects.com

I also need to mention that 57.1% of Lin's strikeouts are from the K looking category. So there you have it: His skill set at the batter box is centered around patience and high contact rate...and he kept improving those skills!!!

Let's talk about the defense and the arm and who's better than close freind and former teamate Ryan Kalish to give us a scouting report?

"He is unbelievable," said Sea Dogs outfielder Ryan Kalish, who has played with Lin the past two years in Class A. "If it's a nice, easy, routine ball, he makes it look so smooth.

"If someone is running on him, that's when it's fun. Then you get to see his arm, which is unlike anything you've ever seen."

Lin has been voted:

*The fact that the Sox FO gave the award to Che-Hsuan this year is pretty important IMO and here's why: Our OF prospects start playing with the same defensive OF alignement as the big club when they reach AA, rewarding CHL with a second award as the best densive player in the Farm system is a hint that they are confident that he can play the position at the ML level, or maybe this is just me trying to read too hard between the lines!

Those awards are given using inputs from scouts and managers (For the first 2) and minor league instructors (for the 3rd) but even advanced stats loves his work with the leather too as TotalZone (the only advanced MiL defensive metric at our disposal) rated his defense as a +12 runs for last year. On a personnal level, I listen to Portland radio cast at least 4 times a week and I can tell you that the words "smooth", "He makes it look so easy" were mentioned regulary by Mike Antonellis when a ball was hit his way

Centerfielder Che-Hsuan Lin was recognized as the "Best Defensive Outfielder" in the poll.  Lin, 21, has a strong arm and a knack for getting great jumps on balls out to the outfield.  The native of Hwa-Lian, Taiwan has made just three errors in 107 games this season for a .990 fielding percentage.     Inside The Clubhouse with Mike Antonellis

 

Defensively, he showed his range on a couple of balls hit his way that were more difficult plays than he made look.  Chris Mellen scouting report
"The instincts and the jumps in the outfield go beyond his raw speed," said Hazen. "I mean, he's off and running when that ball's hit. I think when you watch these games, he'll probably have a chance to make a coupe of circus-style catches and show you what we're talking about."      Sox Farm Director Mike Hazen

  Basically, he plays defense like Drew...at a more demanding OF position.

Let's talk about that arm a little bit so here's Ryan Kalish again:

 

Various minor-league scouting reports, including Baseball America, consistently have judged the arm of Ryan Kalish to be average. Kalish has one idea why that might be.

"To be honest, I’ve been with Che-Hsuan Lin for a while," said Kalish, referencing the Double-A outfielder widely believed to have the best throwing arm in the organization. "Having him out there downplays everything else. He’s so spectacular. … It gets really overshadowed by an arm like that because he’s so special."

 

Last year he led Carolina League outfielders with 18 assists and an infielder-like 7 double plays and this year, it's business as usual as he led all CFers in the Eastern League with 14 OF assists and 3 DPs and came 2nd in OF assists among OFers with 15 assists :'(

Now let's talk about the hitting part of Lin's game:

Year

ISO

LD%

2007

.091

12.7%

2008

.111

14%

2009

.101

22.1%

2010

.068

18.5%

So... um...yeah Power is not part of his game...yet:

  • He has the patience and the pitch recognition (Elite BB rate)
  • He has the bat speed and the contact skills (Very low K rate and even lower swinging K rate)
  • He's a spectaculary gifted athlete:

Che-Hsuan Lin would have played linebacker in high school if he grew up in Walpole instead of Hualien, Taiwan. He’s an impressive looking athlete. They had the players pulling sleds with weights on them today and he was effortlessly sprinting. 

Peter Abraham after seeing Lin in the Annual Development Rookies Camp

 

 

  • He has a terrific make up:

Lin, like any minor-league hitters, has had his ups and downs. But when Lin has had his ups and downs, even an 0-for-4 game or two, he’s had a tendency to go straight to the cage and the film room to try to fix the flaw that cost him the hits he expected.

This my freinds is what I call a solid foundation: When he came to the system, CHL was a raw athlete with a lot of moving parts in his swinging mechanics, those flaws were mostly exposed by opposing pitchers off speed stuff. He worked on them and his swing now is very different from where he used to be:

Everything looks pretty good mechanically and he is a lot more quiet in the box than he was when he entered the system.  Lin looks like he still needs to be more consistent with keeping his hands back as he commits and using his quick wrists to do the rest.  There isn't much lower body in his swing right now as he is mostly upper body.  That, to me, is the area of improvement as to how his power is going develop, mostly consistently driving line drives into gaps to produce extra base hits.

Chris Mellen

I, for one, prefer reading a scouting report about a prospect in which it's written; "He needs to use his lower body when swinging" or "needs to be more agressive in hitter counts" than reading one saying "has tremendous power potential but needs to work on his pitch recognition" or "needs to be more selective at the plate": It's easier to fix the first flaws then the 2nd ones, don't you think? And you know what? This is what happening with Che-Hsuan as he's been tweaking with his stance.

On July 22nd Mellen has this observation:

Lin has opened up his stance slightly and has his back elbow a little bit higher.  Looks like he has made some adjustments at the plate.

And the results are showing up: Since July 1st, Lin has 245 PA, his line is .303/.416/.395

BB%: 13.9%

K%: 10.2%

LD%: 21.6%

I'll leave with that quote of Mike Hazen:

"It’s probably a little more of a line drive stroke right now. He’s got plenty of power to hit home runs right now. It’s just hasn’t translated yet," said Hazen. "We do think in time [it will come]. And obviously with impact defense and the chance to get on base, that’s an extremely interesting package."

He fields like Drew, Walks like Youk, Throws like Beltre and I can't wait till he starts hitting  like Pedroia!

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Very cool

I’m psyched that he’ll be getting to the levels where I’ll actually be able to go see him play soon.

He’ll pretty surely be starting the year at AA again right? If he can pull in a bit more power (or maybe anyways) he could well see some time in the majors before he hits 23.
Nice writeup.

by wolf9309 on Oct 1, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

I think going to AAA will depend on the situation with Reddick and Kalish: Will they start be in AAA or the big club? If both of them are in Pawtucket, then he’ll play AA ball for a a bit of time but certainly promoted quickly (Sox Prospects projects him starting in AA).

by radiohix on Oct 1, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I be VP?

Lin, for no particular reason has become my favorite minor leaguer of ours. I think he’s got the tools to make it.

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by Rogue Nine on Oct 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

With all of that outfield speed how is he on SB, In many ways he looks like a lead off kind of guy the way Damon was. Kalish in Right Lin in Center, ??/Jacoby in Left. 2012 could be good.

by Silverlock on Oct 2, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Count me in the Lin Fan Club as well.

The only knock on Lin that anyone can reasonably come p with is the lack of power numbers.

Aside from wondering just whether that is that important compared to a .386 OBP, I just think that the power will eventually come both with physical maturity and maybe some small swing adjustments.

He’s only 21, so his body will continue to put on muscle mass for the next 4-5 years. At 6 ft tall with a solid frame, he could easily carry 10-20 more lbs of muscle. That alone would probably bump his power numbers well into the acceptable range.

His swing and plate approach right now is extremely conservative. He is completely about getting on base right now. He doesn’t swing at bad pitches and when he does swing it is clearly he’s going completely for clean contact. Think Ichiro or Tony Gwynn.

He could easily open up the swing just a hair to get a little more aggression on the ball and, again, bump his power numbers up a hair – though possible at a slightly decrease in contact rate.

I guess all I’m saying is that while I don’t have visions of Lin ever being a 30 HR power hitting outfielder, I definitely think he will improve his SLG numbers. With his wheels he should definitely be able to post decent doubles numbers.

I like the comparisons to Drew in the outfield – very apt. He moves with the same deceptive ease (except he’s even faster). Like Drew, he already seems to be moving in the right direction the instant the ball is hit. And like Drew he’s got a tremendous arm.

by mmmmm on Oct 3, 2010 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Consider this as an extension of the FanPost

There are a few things that we tend to forget when we look at Lin’s development path:
He signed with the Sox on June 11th, 2007. He then joined the GCL team and got his first hit on June 22nd.
He left the team for some classes in Taiwan on August 7th and got back to the GCL on August 19th before being promoted to Lowell.
In 2008, He joined Greenville in the SAL, got selected to the Futures Games in the Yankee Stadium, voted MVP of the game after going yard. He didn’t finish the second half with the Drive: After playing 91 games, he joined Taiwan national team for the Olympics.
In 2009, He again played for Taiwan in the WBC and after his country elimination, joined the Sox in the middle of spring training then got assigned to Salem.

"I think that kid gets lost a lot. He went to New York City as a 19-year-old and was the MVP of the Futures Game. He plays internationally," said Hazen. "There are a lot of underlying things that you don’t appreciate right away, but as you sit back and look at the big picture, you say, ‘Wow, interesting.’"

After fullfiling his Taiwanese military service requirement in last December and for the very first time, he got a “normal” off season: He was invited to the Annual Development Rookies Camp and started ST and after that went to AA (Hardest jump in the Minors): Puts the 3rd highest OBP in his league with more BBs than Ks!
The 2nd thing is: This kid gets it! Here’s what he said to The Main Sunday Telegram Kevin Thomas
“I try not to focus on the result, only the process. That’s why I’m getting better.”

Look at his splits: Even when he was struggling in June, he didn’t alter his approach (11/9 BB/K), All season long, he was keeping his BB/K around 1.
I’ll post more stuff later :)

by radiohix on Oct 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with everything you said, radio, but he definitely does not have the bat speed.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 3, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The first one doesn't really have anything to do with bat speed.

A .068 IsoP signifies a complete and utter lack of bat speed.

That is one of the worst power outputs I have ever seen to be honest.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 4, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the power side of bat speed that's lacking.

He’s got the mechanics to make it work with a little more muscle.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Oct 4, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean by the power side lacking?

Does Lin have fast bat speed at the point of contact then slow down cuz he’s too scrawny or something, LOL?

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean that the swing itself isn't a problem. He's got the wrists and mechanis to get the job done once he adds power.

A big hulking guy who doesn’t know how to swing a bat isn’t necessarily going to get much bat speed.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Oct 4, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

What Ben said, also

What makes so sure that his power talent level is .068? I think his true power right now lays aroud .100-.110
- Those are the power numbers he’s been putting in the previous 2 years
- When you look at his splits, you’ll find that he didn’t put his usual numbers vs LHP (In fact, his splits are reversed). His IsoP last year was .117 against southpaws.

by radiohix on Oct 4, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not disputing that he can't add power.

He’s only 21; he’s obviously has not reached his power ceiling yet.

I just find it very, very hard to believe that a guy with current anemic power would have any iota of bat speed.

Once again, a .068 Isop is one of the worst I have ever seen.

I seriously wonder if he is too weak to get a wood bat through the zone.

If he were a 17 year-old in rookie ball then it would be understandable.

But to produce such an utter lack of power suggests that he is incredibly weak.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Oct 5, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

O.O when will he be in the mayors?!

I cant wait to see him.

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Oct 3, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

2011 Sept. callup at the earliest.

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by BoldandBrash on Oct 3, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot to put the Outfield Assist Leaderboard, so here it is:

Andy Dirks (Erie) 16
Che-Hsuan Lin (Portland) 15
Daniel Brewer (Trenton) 14
Adam Loewen (New Hampshire) 13
Joe Benson (New Britain) 11
Miles Durham (Altoona)
Eduardo Baez (Harrisburg)
Jesus Valdez (Harrisburg)
Thomas Neal (Richmond)
Clay Timpner (Richmond)

by radiohix on Oct 4, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

About the Power numbers

I really believe that prospects with better feel for the strike zone are the ones who have the better chance to tap into their power potential and as a middle of the field prospect, Lin’s has a very good shot at posting a .120-.140 IsoP because of his selective approach at the plate which lead him to get into hitter counts and have himself some FB to drive, here’s few examples:
Player A, age 21: 558 plate appearances, 2 HR, 61 BB, 56 K, .317/.394/.422, 25% XBH

Player B, age 22: 401 plate appearances, 6 HR, 44 BB, 53 K, 305/.385/.447, 31% XBH

Player C, ages 21-23: 760 plate appearances, 4 HR, 95 BB, 80 K, .284/.376/.370, 21% XBH

Player D, age 20 (AA): 310 plate appearances, 4 HR, 25 BB, 25 K, .341/.400/.453, 23% XBH

Those are: Derek Jeter, Darin Erstad, Brian Roberts, Joe Mauer

by radiohix on Oct 4, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with plate discipline allowing a hitter to tap into better hitting counts and opening up opportunities

but those power outputs are still noticeably better than Lin’s.

For the record I actually really like Lin.

Yes, I am harping on his lack of power, but everything else in his profile — defense at a premium position, speed, arm, contact, plate discipline — is excellent.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Oct 5, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I want you to LOVE him not "like" him :p

Seriously though, like I said, I don’t think the .068 IsoP that he posted this year reflects his true talent level: He’s been putting power numbers in the .100-110 range in his first 3 years in the Sox system. Actually, if you shalk his first 3 months to an adjustment period to the hardest level a prospect will face during his development, His IsoP since July 1st is .092 which still isn’t good but it ain’t BAD either.

by radiohix on Oct 6, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's actually a very good point that I kept ignoring, LOL

He posted higher Iso(s) in each of his other 3 seasons (all coming at a younger age obviously).

The IsoP will undoubtedly climb.

And Mike Hazen’s quote doesn’t hurt.

Wow.

Lin could really blow up next year mah dude.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Oct 7, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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