Red Sox Shouldn't Fear the Luxury Tax
A lot has been made about the luxury tax for the Red Sox this offseason. Theo set it as a goal to stay under. Our offseason has even been declared largely finished by some based on our approaching and exceeding it. Given the fact that it increases the more years you're over it, our exceeding the luxury tax has even been considered a sign that we won't be able to spend next year.
In my opinion, though, it's just not going to make much of a difference at all.
Let's consider the worst-case scenario for the Red Sox tax-wise. I think we can, for the most part, agree that the Red Sox will not likely spend more than $200 million in 2011. The jump from last year to this year has been huge by itself. To see it increase significantly again would be unexpected, so even $200 million is a fairly out there number, but it's best to be conservative when talking about things like this, so let's call it $200 million.
First, it's important to understand that the Luxury Tax applies only to money spent over the cap.
Now, John Henry seems to have conceded that the Red Sox will, in fact, be over the cap for the coming sesaon. They already are by a relatively small amount, and there's not a lot of room for cutting payroll (maybe trading Jeremy Hermida, or revisiting the Lowell deal later). So, again, being conservative, let's say the Sox make some more minor moves and end up $10 million over the cap. Since they were over the cap in 2007 at the maximum rate, their tax level is at 30% should they exceed the cap again this year.
That's $3 million. To us, a large amount. To the Red Sox, less than 2% of their payroll. When your payroll gets up towards $200 million, money is going to be tight, but not so tight that $3 million is likely to make a huge difference.
So moving on to 2011. There has been some talk that the Sox would attempt to get under the luxury tax this year in order to break the bank in 2011. If the Sox were to stay under this year, their tax level in 2011 would be 22.5%, as compared to 40% if they're over in both 2010 and 2011. Again, going back to that $200 million figure, the Red Sox would be $22 million over the 2011 limit of $178 million. At 22.5%, the tax figure comes out to $5 million. At 40%, $8.8 million. While $8.8 million is certainly a significant figure, if we were expecting the Sox to really break the bank next year, then the only real difference between going over this year and not is $3.8 million next year. And this is the "worst case scenario". If they are only going to go over the tax more "incidentally", maybe ending up around $185 million, then the difference is relatively inconsequential.
The Red Sox do not have bottomless pockets. Certainly, the team is not the type to sell off players for salary relief (well, not anymore), but that's not to say they don't have limits. It wasn't even 2 weeks ago that sources suggested they were within $5 million of their payroll limits. But it seems ridiculous to, in the face of a sudden surge in spending, balk at the suggestion of spending a few million more. If we truly expect the Sox to go nuts in 2011, then it's unlikely that a few million will hold them back from grander plans. If we don't, then these issues probably won't apply to begin with. As is, the Sox are shedding roughly $25 million of useless payroll after 2010, and another $33 million in David Ortiz, Beckett, and Martinez (it adds up to around $50 million for tax purposes). Considering the luxury tax is up $8 million next year, the Sox will likely have plenty of room to work with even if they want to avoid that "worst case scenario".
So what does that mean for this year? Well, if we're at our budget limit, as sources say, then we're at our limit and there's not much that can be done. But if not, then the luxury tax should not be seen as some sort of final frontier that cannot be crossed when considering free agents like Adrian Beltre, or adding payroll in a trade (I will not mention any first basemen here). If there is real improvement to be made at a reasonable price, we shouldn't be worried about tax rate increases or a few million dollars in tax. It's not like signing someone to a bad, Lugo-like contract, after all. As soon as you're under, it all goes away.
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My brain is still boggled how the payroll skyrocketed so much. Yeah, signing Lackey was a huge hit, but that type of hit was essentially replacing Bay on the team (had he come back for 2010; they would have similar salaries). Adding Scutaro and Cameron is a chunk of cash, but it just doesn’t seem to add up. It certainly DOES add up, but just putting the pieces together in my brain makes it seem off-kilter.
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It was all the extensions.
Pedroia, Lester and Youk went from 500K per year guys to earning legitimately good money in terms of AAV. But I’m with you. This really snuck up on me.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
That sounds like the reason...
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No way we should be in on Beltre
that cuts out room for a stud 1B if any become available mid season.
If anything, I’d offer Molina a heavy one year deal and slide Victor to 1B for the entire season. Or go with Kotchman @ 1st and see if Lowell can give you anything at 1B on occasion. Go all in next winter on the big time FA’s that will be available.
Trade Beckett !!!
We have a stud 1B:
Youkilis
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jan 3, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I really think Beltre would be huge at third (just think how amazing our defense would be all across the board!) and while I’d rather have Gonzalez, so would a bunch of other teams and I think that’s too big a risk to assume we’d be able to get him midseason.
+1
this stud 1B stuff is a pipe dream.
Regardless with Ortiz in a walk year, we could always get that guy anyway. For that matter, Youkilis could very possibly end up in LF on the tail end of this deal. Less than ideal, yes, but if certain players become available they wont hesitate to adjust on the fly.
In either case
You grab Beltre now if you can. He looks like he wont even cost all that much, and he’s a phenomenal player and a great fit.
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DO NOT MOVE VICTOR TO 1B FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON (or even a significant portion)!
Apologies for shouting, but I wanted to be clear.
Victor’s offense is only slightly above average for a 1B. He is a super-stud for a C.
His value to the team is maximized by having him catch as many games as possible. Certainly not all of them. But he is a very durable player and should be good for at least 130 games behind the plate.
Sign Beltre, please.
Good news
I did need this type of article to put everything back in perspective. The comments had begun to border on “going over luxury tax would force government bailout of Red Sox” territory.
Yes, agreed
I agree and also believe the Sox will exceed the limit if it makes them more competitive in 2010. Now if the Sox don’t sign Beltre because he gets a richer, 3-year deal somewhere else, that does not mean the Sox decided the need to stay under the tax threshold, it just means they don’t think he is worth the money. As a fan, I would rather have Beltre/Youk than Kotchman/Lowell/Youk, but I can’t see how the Sox can sign Beltre without the Lowell situation resolved. At this point I see them going into the season just about as is, and going from there. While Beltre is a fine player, I don’t see him making a significant enough impact overall to warrant locking him into the position for 3 years.
Beltre isn't worth the money
I don’t think Beltre is worth the money but if getting him means keeping Youk at first then I’m all for it.
An infield of Youkilis, D-Ped, Scuturo, and Beltre sounds pretty good.
worth what money?
Is he worth $10 M x 3 years? I would argue “No”.
But he’s probably worth at least $6 M x 3 and I could see an argument for going as high as $8 M x 3.
To me it all hinges on whether the Sox believe they are above or below the CBT. If they are still under it, or think they can get back under it, I can see them wanting to stay under it. But if they are even slightly over it I expect they will have no problem with going well over it. If so, they then need to decide if they really want to wait and go for A-Gon or just spend the money now and start the season with Beltre.
Personally, I think the latter makes them a much stronger team for next season. But A-Gon is a pretty nice long-term piece. Great defense and a big bat for years to come. So it’s more forward-looking.
it does depend on what the money is
because obviously when the only interested teams besides us are the A’s and the Twins, he’s not getting $10 mill/year. So I think he’s worth it if he comes down to something like 6-7 × 3 or 2 × 8. I just think we should be in on him until someone overbids for him.
If they can get Beltre to sign a 2 year deal
at no more than $7.5 mil per year it would be worth it. However, I don’t see Beltre putting up better numbers than Lowell did last year.
I do.
At a minimum, he should be able to put up equivalent offensive numbers and his defense will be WAAY better than what Lowell did last year. Its not even close. Beltre at 3B would be a huge upgrade over what we got out of Lowell last year.
I agree he would be a defensive upgrade
I just don’t trust his bat, he has a career OPS+ of 105 which is inflated by the 2004 season. He’s not exactly an impact bat IMO.
Right I'm saying that Beltre will be no more productive than Lowell
neither will be impact bats. Unless the Red Sox can move Lowell and most of his contract I don’t see a reason for the Red Sox to over pay of Beltre.
Is that enough to pay
$8 to $9 mil per year for, for the next 3 years? I think they would be better off trading for an impact bat at 3B and moving Youk over. Then have Lowell and Ortiz play DH with Lowell filling in at 3B and 1B every now and again.
What about Lee from the cubs?
one year left on his contract at $13 mil I would imagine that it would not take much to get him from the cubs.
or even Konerko from the white sox, who only has one year left on his deal as well.
Ah, I see. You mean trade for an impact bat at 1B and move Youk over.
I don’t trust Konerko to be good next year. He had injury problems early on, and an awful 2008. Seems like he’d just be a minor improvement over Beltre offensively for a big loss in defense.
I also don’t think Lee is available. I think the Cubs expect to compete next year, having gotten rid of clubhouse issues and hoping to dodge the massive injury issues they faced last year. Getting rid of their best offensive player would seem…counter productive.
USG
Konerko had an OPS+ 115 and a career OPS+ of 116 Which is far superior to Beltre.
I think Lee could be had for the right price (not really sure what that is) but I’m sure the Cubs would love to take that $12 mil off thier books.
The Cubs don't care about a 1-year $12 million payment if they're looking to win.
Lee is an absolute bargain for them.
And Konerko is a 2 WAR player now-a-days. Even at his lowest point (last year), Beltre was 2.4. Beltre has the potential to do big things for this team. Konerko has the potential to be adequate at 1st. May as well move Victor over and offer Bengie Molina a big 1-year deal, like Sandy suggested .
USG
Or as mmmmm said, if we're gonna be trading prospects for a 1B, may as well go for AGon.
I expect Lee would cost one of our top-bill guys, at least. The Cubs just don’t have a ton of reason to part with Lee.
USG
Konerko
is an average 1b, and Beltre is a great fielding 3b. So you downgrade 2 positions to have a not overwhelming offensive upgrade. Look at it this way-say Youk maintains his WAR moving over to 3b. Konerko has not been a 4 WAR player since 2006. He should be about a 2 WAR player next year, something Beltry should beat by at least 1 win. It then comes down to cost and future roster makeup issues.
Agree totally
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jan 4, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly are you trading away for either?
for a one year player at a higher salary than we are talking about with Beltre?
Konerko looks like high risk for breaking down, too. Lee looks better, imho, but how much would he cost to get him from the Cubs?
I think if you are going to trade for an impact 1B you should return to plan (A) and go for A-Gon.
Even that is a risk
I am in the minority here, but I don’t like the fact that AGonz does not hit LHP well, and has only had one great year. His BB rate jumped up like crazy last year, and other players have shown that this may not be a trend (look at Scutaro’s fluctuations in BB rates). Let’s see how he looks in the first half of next year before going gaga of AGonz.
Adrian's BB rate jumped after the start of the season
Because guys simply stopped pitching to him. He was KILLING the ball in the first couple months, and then people stopped throwing it in the strike zone, so he just decided “Well **** it, I’ll just stop swinging at pitches out of the zone and get on 45% of the time.”
It also coincided with a huge dip in his outside swing —significantly bigger than evenScutaro’s last year. Generally, you should only worry about the big jump in BB if there’s no correlating change in discipline (in 2006, when Scutaro’s BB% jumped before, he actually had WORSE swing numbers than he’d had the year before. Thus why it was predictable it would go back down). If a guy is actually making strides in discipline, though, then there’s no reason it shouldn’t be considered sustainable.
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and likely lower wOBA
since until last year he was just an ok OBP guy…his OBP shot up 50 points last year, and you can talk all you want about his Z and O swings, but things change when you are in a lineup where people just walk you. That is not necessarily “good” discipline. His wOBA was never above 368 until last year, his defense is hard to value, he plays a position we have depth at, and he hits LHP like crap. I would wait a bit before giving up Buchholz, Ellsbury and 2 top prospects…
not sure
we disagree ;)-I would consider a big package for last year’s Agonz. I just am not sure that is who he is. There is a reason why projections use 3 year weighted averages. There is a risk that he not the player he looked like last year, and a 950 OPS 1b with (perhaps) just decent defense is not really worth that kind of package, especially since we have Youk.
I think the thing is
that you can make a reasonable argument that Beltre’s glove does make it worth it. Say he is as good as Lowell was last year (only over a full year) and add to that his glove. That is a 4 WAR player, worth much more than adding Konerko and in the same ball park as Lee who is old and will cost more…at least for the one year and then what do you do when he either bolts or wants to reup?
thats asuming he is healthy
after he came back last season he hit .234/.303.369 in Sept/Oct. A three year deal just scares me.
Go ahead and throw out his 2004 season
but even then his road splits look as good as Lowell’s HOME numbers.
2004 only accounts for 10% weight of Beltre’s career numbers. Let’s look at his road split for other years.
sOPS+ (OPS+ relative to league for road split)
1998 86
1999 118
2000 126
2001 117
2002 114
2003 101
2004 175
2005 98
2006 113
2007 127
2008 134
2009 96
So even if you toss out 2004, you can see that his road production has been very, very solid and other than a couple of notable years, well above average. His only below average year was his rookie year. And one of his average years was marred by injury.
Not a big impact bat. But very solid and really, much more productive at the plate overall than Lowell, once you get out of their home parks.
D-Ped???
Good Lord….
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
Amen
Funny how so many baseball fans can imagine that defense does not exist.
Beltre >>>> Lowell in terms of 3B defense
Plus – Beltre’s career OPS on the road = 0.826 (Having played his entire career in pitcher’s parks)
Lowell Career OPS = 0.810
That Said
If signing Beltre handcuffs mid-season acquisitions then I wouldn’t do it. Sox need to be flexible enough to add a big bat if necessary in July when the price is right.
I'd imagine that if there was a team changing trade
we could probably find a team that would be happy to take him in a seperate trade- especially if his numbers for the year are looking like his road numbers
While I agree that Beltre's defense is much better than a crippled Lowell's ...
I’m not sure he’s a good long-term risk. Nor do I think that he’s a lock to hit well in Fenway, just because he has good road numbers. Mike Lowell played in a pitcher’s park in Florida, and he put up pretty much the same numbers with the Sox and Marlins.
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that Beltre has no plate discipline and he’s getting older. While I’d like to see Beltre in Boston because of his glove (and decent offense), if his price (in terms of dollars and years) doesn’t go down, the Sox should pass.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jan 4, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lowell's road numbers have been pretty mediocre
He’s definitely benefited from playing in Fenway.
Adjusting to a 162 game avg sample, Lowell’s and Beltre’s career splits look like:
Lowell Home Road Beltre Home Road
2B: 41 39 27 39
HR: 25 21 21 26
BB: 63 47 45 65
SO: 84 81 101 107
BA: .287 .274 .253 .287
OBP: .356 .330 .311 .338
SLG: .490 .447 .416 .488
OPS: .846 .777 .727 .826
tOPS+: 92 108 88 112
So, you can clearly see from these splits that Lowell was helped by his home park (especially Fenway) while Beltre’s numbers have been totally crushed by playing in Dodger Stadium and SafeCo. Beltre’s Road numbers, though, are just as good as Lowell’s Home numbers. And way better than Lowell’s Road numbers, which are generally going to be more park neutral and the most ‘fair’ set to compare.
Its hard to see how Beltre wouldn’t gain a huge benefit from playing in Fenway. They are both right handed hitters who pull the ball.
As far as long term risk – I don’t see a 2 or 3 year contract as much risk. He’ll be 31 years old so he’s not an old man. And last year was the first time he failed to tally 140+ games since 2001 when he only played 126. So he doesn’t have a history of being injury prone.
It all comes down to the raw dollars. I do agree that he’s not worth as much as Boras was asking originally. But if they can get him for 8 M per or less, I think he’d be a great addition.
The risk is his health
he put up Tek-like offensive #s last year in 450 at bats. Obviously his injuries played a major role. The shoulder problem worries me. His glove is still great, and that is where the majority of his value is, but I do wonder how his offense will fare after several injuries he has had.
as we know
physicals are far from completely telling. Different doctors have different views on the health of tissue, and it is hard to gauge “soft markers” for decrease in flexibility, etc.
obviously the whole testicle thing
shouldn’t be recurring.
And from what I’ve read about his shoulder thing, there’s a pretty minimal chance of it coming back again.
Neither is a long term injury that should affect him as long as he is recovered now (which no doubt he would be if a team would sign him for any decent amount of money)
when 30+
year old guys get injured, healing is not the issue. It is the toll it takes on your abilities to perform at an elite level in terms of quickness, flexibility, etc. Not saying that he is damaged goods, but I would bet we can find other cases of guys who had a demise accelerated by racking up random boo boos. Perhaps it should not be the biggest concern, but he is 31(?) and coming off a horrible offensive year. Otherwise, if the Sox think the price is right, I am all for it…
yeah agreed
there’s definitely some risk in him, especially because of the question mark after his age. That’s why I would hesitate very much before signing him more than 2 years (though I’d probably like 3 if it was cheap enough)
probably 6-7 per
which is incredibly unlikely. 2 years probably 8-9. I wouldn’t cry if they paid him $24/3, though I wouldn’t be quite as excited about it. I don’t think he’s worth $10 million in any case.
I don’t know if there’s someone that would bid over that- though none of the teams that look like they’re in the race seem like huge spenders, and I feel like if numbers are similar he’d probably rather play for the contending Sox at Fenway for a couple years than at the Oakland Coliseum- but that’s just speculation based on how I would feel if I was him.
Also, he could just prefer to stay on the west coast.
Maybe he didn’t enjoy the Seattle cold?
If it comes down to Boston vs. Oakland for the same price, it’d seem like a pretty easy decision (play somewhere suited to your style on a contending team vs. play somewhere that kills your stats where you’re not likely to win).
USG
Yeah, the guy must be tired of playing in pitcher's parks
A couple of year’s at Fenway to inflate some numbers and he could still be young enough at 33 to snag one more big contract from some sucker team.
That's why you keep it to a 2-3 yr contract.
Bridge year.
Besides, with modern sports medicine, 33 is the new 30 … :-)
Are those career splits for each player?
If so, I think you’re missing my point. Lowell played in a pitcher’s park in FLA. Yet he was a better hitter at home. Overall, he was a better hitter at home.
In his career, he hit .303 AVG/.361 OBP/.513 SLG/.874 OPS at Fenway (115 OPS+) and .280 AVG/.356 OBP/.484 SLG/.839 OPS at Dolphin Stadium (107 OPS+). However, if you subtract Lowell’s career worst year (2005) the numbers are much closer:
.303 AVG/.361 OBP/.513 SLG/.874 OPS at Fenway
.286 AVG/.362 OBP/.509 SLG/.871 OPS at Dolphin Stadium
Fenway inflates AVG because there is very little foul territory. Other than AVG, Lowell was the same hitter at home with the marlins and Sox—despite playing in a pitcher’s park.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jan 4, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
in part-I think you can find cases (not typical) where guys should hit well in a given park based on their home splits and park type and it does not work out that way. It has happened. We can guess how he would hit at Fenway (should be better than Safeco) but we don’t really know…
You are missing my point
Beltre’s ROAD numbers are comparable to Lowell’s HOME numbers. And way better than Lowell’s ROAD numbers.
Yes those were career splits for each player.
Just for the record, in 27 career games at Dolphin stadium (120 PAs) Beltre’s numbers are studly:
.336 AVG/.375 OBP/.628 SLG/1.003 OPS
So Beltre and Lowell both liked hitting there. Are you sure that Dolphin stadium qualifies as a ‘pitchers park’ ? Beltre’s numbers are Fenway are crappy,
.179 AVG/.299 OBP/.232 SLG/.531 OPS
but its only 16 games (67 PAs) of data – and arguably against some of the best pitching since the Red Sox have had such great pitching staffs in recent years.
Dolphin Stadium was a pitcher's park in every year Lowell was a Marlin, except one year
That year, it was neutral. In four of seven years, it was a severe pitcher’s park. The fact that Lowell still hit better when with the Marlins may just mean that he is more comfortable hitting at home, regardless of the ballpark.
Dodger Stadium was more of a pitcher’s park than Safeco during the years Beltre was with each team. Yet Beltre’s numbers are pretty much the same in both parks (when you subtract his one outstanding year).
I think too much is made of park factors, which tend to fluctuate. Good hitters should pretty much hit anywhere. For example, here’s how JD Drew has hit at Fenway v. Dodger Stadium, a severe pitcher’s park:
Dodger Stadium – (533 PA) .304 AVG/.427 OBP/.562 SLG/.989 OPS
Fenway Park – (749 PA) .284 AVG/.406 OBP/.515 SLG/.921 OPS
I know JD Drew is a left-handed hitter, and Fenway is often thought of a place that favors right-handed hitters. Dodger Stadium is a cookie cutter, with the same dimensions in LF and RF. Dodger Stadium has a bigger RF than Fenway, everywhere but The Triangle. Fenway has a much smaller LF, and Drew does tend to hit the ball in the air the other way. One would expect Drew’s numbers at Fenway to be better than those in Dodger Stadium. But that’s not the case.
A broken down Nomar Garciaparra hit far better at home in his stint with the Dodgers (from 2006 to 2008): .866 home OPS/.719 road OPS. How about Nick Swisher last year? Despite playing in Coors East, Swisher hit 21 of his 29 HR on the road (.776 OPS at home; .945 OPS on the road). Some hitters just hit better at home despite the ballpark and some hit better on the road. Beltre might also be that kind of hitter.
You quoted Beltre’s .179 AVG/.299 OBP/.232 SLG/.531 OPS career line at Fenway. In games against the Sox away from Fenway he has hit .225 AVG/.303 OBP/.438 SLG/.741 OPS. So, at least in a small sample against the same team—16 games at Fenway, 26 games away from Fenway—Fenway hasn’t helped Beltre’s offense. I’m not the only person who doubts whether Fenway will boost Beltre’s offense (link).
As I’ve said before, I think Beltre would be an upgrade at 3B. I’m all for bringing him onboard, depending on the money and years. However, I think there are risks—and I’m not sure we can look to his road numbers to see how well he’ll hit in Boston.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jan 4, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
that link makes the interesting point
that perhaps Beltre’s ability to hit in the AL-average park (road) is more attractive than what Fenway does or does not mean with regard to his overall offense.
Good link
The hit spray chart is probably the most compelling piece there.
That said, I would not be so dismissive of the park effects. They are real and measureable for the general body of hitters – Dodger Stadium and SafeCo suck for hitters. Yes, anecdotally there is probably also a home v road effect for some hitters independent of park – probably a psychological ‘comfort’ thing. But overall, the park effects for most parks are real, physical effects.
Beltre’s road splits and spray chart may not be indicative of him hitting really, really well in Fenway. But Safeco definitely hurts him. Reducing his at-bats in that place from 250-ish down to a couple dozen should in itself pump his numbers up somewhat.
One caveate of the spray chart. It is indicative of a good spray hitter which usually implies good bat control. Safeco is fairly balanced, dimension wise. And on average, so probably are ‘road parks’. A good hitter will try to push / pull based not only on the pitch, but also on the defense and the park. Beltre may find it useful to pull more often in Fenway. Thus at the end of 2010, his spray chart may look quite different than the 2008 chart.
The Sox are going to be horrible this season
CMON! Will youguys listen to yourselves?? The Yanks, NOT ONLY spent millions last year on 3 big name FAs in Sabathia, Burnett, and Tex, but now they have Granderson and Damon will most likely take Matsui’s spot.
The Sox get Lackey….that’s basically all that i see. Hermida and Cameron ARE NOT, I REPEAT, ARE NOT what the Sox need. What the Red Sox need is a couple MRP and a BIG BAT. A Gonz would be GREAT, but it’s amazing how these pickups havent been criticized YET trading Lowell was ok…..he was the ONLY reason we had a productive stretch last year. Cmon…Theo is losing his touch.
You've gotta be kidding me.
A) Lowell was crap last year
B) Preventing runs is just as important as scoring runs
C) Hermida isn’t really part of it at all. Cameron is a great acquisition because he’ll prevent runs. Move Ellsbury to left, and we’ve got one of the best defenses in the league, and see point B.
USG
+1
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jan 4, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed, Ben Buchanan.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
Check the IP address
this guy is probably halflink123 ;).
Beltre will hit 30
He ave 25 in sea. should hit 30 in fenway. 2yrs @ 16-18 should get it done and we dont lose Bucholz/Ellabury/ N top prospects to get agon. After two years guys like fielder/ pujols/ect will be coming up
30 is probably a stretch
but 25+ is not an unrealistic prediction.
Lineup
Ells
Pedroia
Vmart
youk
ortiz
beltre
drew
cam
scut
With SP they should be fine
That's a pretty nice looking lineup.
And yet everyone seems to think the Sox have no offense. Sigh
Though I’d put Drew higher.
USG
i'd like drew higher too
but where? He could swap with Martinez… but I really like the switch hitter in the 3 spot. He could swap with Ortiz… but I’m hoping Ortiz is producing enough to make putting him in the 3 hole silly. If that was the team, I’d guess that would be how the roster would start off looking at least, and if Ortiz is struggling, maybe switch the two of them.
But now I’m getting ahead of myself with my hopes that Theo gets Beltre…
I went lefty/righty down lineup
Plus away from sea beltre is a .280 hitter and swings more than drew with more power and is more of a rbi guy. I think drew would be a perfect #2 hitter because he gets on base/takes a lot of pitches and is a smart baserunner, but not on this team
anybody notice how popular opinion among red sox fans
goes by what the articles on this website say? before this article, the writers on here were saying we had no more money to spend and that we should not go over the cap. Then, most fans started believing that. And then, the newspapers started saying the same things.
now with this article, everyone is saying, great it doesnt matter, lets get beltre. And i guarantee you, the newspapers in a few days will be saying the same thing.
this site is incredibly influential. i feel like the media follows IT.

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