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Answer the question, Ben Buchanan.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
No, he hasn't.
The only way to have that right is to convince the FO that you can be a better starter than all but 4 guys on the team. I’m not convinced, I doubt Theo is either. Wake is our swingman.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 27, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not worried about it.
He’ll still probably get 15-20 starts.
Its a long season and folks get injured, need time off, dead arm syndrome, get suspended for hitting a batter or two (Beckett, Lackey …) , etc. etc.
Even if all 5 of the top-5 starters managed to get 30 starts each, that still would leave 12 games that somebody would have to start.
We may see Wake out of the bullpen once in a while, but I actually expect him to mainly be used as the spot starter.
I don't agree with that.
I think it captures a tone of frustration that I felt in Wake’s comments throughout the article.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
The title of the article drops the "I think" from his actual quote.
Wake’s full comment is:
I think I’ve earned the right to be a full-time starter and go from there.
That’s no where near as declarative as what is in the article title:
I’ve earned the right to be a full-time starter.
The former is a statement of opinion. The latter is a declaration. Big difference.
Not really. Obviously Wake is expressing his own opinion whenever he speaks. Just like I do not write “I think” before everything that I write here, Wake should not have to say “I think” when he expresses his own opinions. Either way, what is important is that he wants to start and that might cause trouble for the Sox.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
I agree with mmmmm
“I think” changes the tone of the statement. But not that it is much of a difference. We all know Wake is not an asshole or diva. The guy wants to start and in terms of seniority he deserves to be a starter. Unfortunately for him that’s not the way the rotation is going to be made up. Only if Dice-K comes back the same as last year or is Buchholz turns into a post season Ankiel is he going to be the best 5th starter on the team. I’d be pissed too if I was that close to a club milestone and it looked like I wasn’t going to get a shot to make it. But he is a professional.
here's another one
“Like I said earlier, I’ve been right back on track with my normal offseason routine and I don’t feel like there’s going to be any setbacks, so I plan on being one of the five starters.”
but yes, I think for the beginning of the season he’s going to have to accept being a spot starter.
title is possibly out of context
“Hopefully, they respect me enough to give me the ball when we get to spring training as a member of this rotation,” he told the Herald. "I think I’ve earned the right to be a full-time starter and go from there. … I know my role, and I know what my approach is going to be when I get to spring training: be a starter and help us win the World Series."
my take is that he is referring to getting a chance as a starter in spring training.
if so, it’s a no brainer, he and a bunch of others deserve a chance to prove themselves in spring training.
we want the best
Bad.....
So automatically:
Beckett
Lackey
Lester
Then:
Bucholz
Wake?
Dice-K?
Who sits? Can’t insult Dice-K by putting him in the bullpen. Bucholz’s upside is better than both Wake and Dice-K……
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
Lester 3rd
He’s the best starter, But Beckett will start the season.
Beckett
Lester
Lackey
Dice-K
Buchholz
Wakefield, Sorry Wake but your 6th. Which gives BOS great depth when someone misses a start
Kind of thought this might be an issue.
Someone should go steal the rock-salt from Wake’s house, then dump some water on his front step. He’ll slip, tweak his back, and earn a stay in extended spring training.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
+2,000,000
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
"-1,000,000"
Really? I’m not serious, dude. I love Wake. And I doubt anyone here knows where he lives.
But it seems that the only way he’s going to be happy is if someone is hurt. And frankly, if someone has to be hurt, I’d rather it be him than anyone else.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
I understand
But I’m a big timmy fan, so I want him around as much as possible.
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I think he has proven it but
Like it has been said. Someone will get injured and we won’t have to worry about it.
He has in fact EARNED the right
However he shouldn’t be a starter. This is a team sport that comes down to putting yourself in the best position to win and this front office has shown it doesn’t believe much in sentimentality over winning ability. This team is better with Lester, Beckett, Lackey, Buch, and Dice-K filling out our rotation.
Wake is an all around good guy who loves Boston and the Red Sox and it sucks that he is getting bounced but he’s an aging guy who has been ineffective down the stretch for the last two years. He’ll get his chances to start, pitchers get hurt, Buchholz might end up ineffective and we’ll need spot starts anyway.
I don’t think he’s going to make a big stink out of this and it’s never a bad thing to have too much pitching like we found last year.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Post season
I think once he dwells on it, Wake has to realize that this might be his best chance to make to actually pitching in the post season again.
The last couple of years he has come out of the gate fast and then broken down to the point that we can’t trust him in the playoffs.
If he comes out of ST as the spot starter and gets fewer spring starts and maybe picks up a dozen starts or more through the dog days of summer, he may be in better shape at the end of the year to actually be able to pitch in the fall.
I love Timmy
But I have to agree with Bill Ben Buchanan’s statement above: You earn the right to be a full-time starter by being at least the fifth best starting pitcher on a full time basis. I don’t think he is.
I heard that NG was totally in favor of it, though…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 27, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions
Tim rocks
Let me put it this way… Everyone concurs that Tim is healthy. So, in my opinion, after the last year, and after his lucky-as-crap to not let a million runs score with all those walks season the year before… Dice-K is the one that needs to earn it. period. Tim should be the 5th starter unless Dice-K shows up and kicks butt like we’re paying him to do.
I like this.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I have a five-tool player in my pants.
Pitch them on the same day for 5 and 4 innings each
Those games would be the most intensity filled ever.
Both can be scary
They are kind of the same. Can be scary good or scary bad on any given day
i kinda think Dice-K did that at the end of last year
his performance after coming back in september certainly didn’t redeem his terrible season, but showed that he can be as dominating as most anyone else on the team.
When he's on
He can be as good as anybody. Nibble’s & walks to much though
yes this is true
he does nibble and walk too much. Wakefield however is the poster boy for “when he’s on he can be as good as anybody.” I think Matsuzaka is a much more reliable option and has more control over whether he’s on than Wake does.
Dice-K is one injury-riddled season away from a 2.90 ERA season, no matter how lucky.
And then finished up last year by giving up 6 runs in 24 innings. Not at all bad.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 28, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
That 2.90 was a fluke
But he’s a solid pitcher on a great staff. I think Buchholz has more upside
Agreed, it was very lucky.
But Tim Wakefield will never put up a 2.90 ERA, no matter how lucky.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 28, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I should amend that:
As a starter, and anymore.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 28, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
except in streaks of half-dozen brilliant games
followed by a couple of bomb fests …
I say mixed 5/6 man rotation
Hear me out.
Keep Beckett and Lester on 5 day rotations and put the other 3 on 6 day rotations. It could go.
Lester, Beckett, Lackey, Buch, Dice-K, Lester, Beckett, Wake, Lackey, Buch, Lester, Beckett, ETC
Just do that till someone gets injured then go back to 5 man rotation, which will be 2 days into the season probably.
No way
1) why aint you putting Lackey with Beckett/Lester.
2) Mess with every ones timing
I’d rather keep the top 4 on their sced and skip #5’s starts when there’s a day off in the week
I think the Sox will go back to the 2007-2008 "strategy" of shutting down their starters for 2-3 starts in the middle of the season
They’ve done it for Beckett in 2007 (I remember him saying how much that rest helped his dominant performance in the playoffs)
They’ve done it for Lester in 2008 and it helped him to dominate the ALDS.
So this will leave plenty of starts to Wake and maybe Tazawa and Bowden (if they perform well in AAA).
Still, You can never have too much bitching ;)
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
It will all work out
Last season we had a problem with too many starters…and then we were scrambling to fill holes due to poor pitching, injury, etc.
I’d much rather have the “problem” of 6 solid starters to begin the year than 3-4 solid starters and a bunch of junk trying out for the 4/5 slots…..
The 6 guys will get starts over the course of the season.
I’m glad Wake is coming in saying he wants to be in the rotation…it will certinaly help Dice-K and Buchholz to know that there is a veteran presence waiting to take their starts if they falter
does he deserve it?
Absolutely he deserves it, but the reality is that Bucholhz has too much potential to put in AAA or the bullpen and Dice-K has the potential and the contract to get a chance at the rotation before him.
He deserves it in the aspect of hi tenure, the contracts he has signed and what he has done for the team. Its too bad it has to be like this. The man had a lifetime 1 yr 4 mill contract, then he gets rid of that because of his age and health from last year. How many professional athletes do that anymore? In that respect he deserves it but in the end it wont matter.
Wake I hope you dont get too pissy, do the bullpen job, and dont worry cuz you will get at least 10 starts this year with opportunity for 20 depending on injuries and ineffectiveness.
Wake's Statement
As mentioned earlier, there is a big difference between saying he has earned the right and “I think I have” earned the right.
Has he earned the right to be a starter? Absolutely! He is always good for a mid 4 ERA and was a 2009 All Star.
Has he earned the right to be a starter in the Red Sox rotation? No. Beckett, Lester and Lackey aren’t going anywhere. Buc and Matsuzaka should and will be ahead of him on the depth chart. However, excesses in January quickly turn into needs in May. I set 12 as the over/under for Wakefield’s starts in 2010. He’ll make his way to the mound due to injuries and will provide multiple innings out of the pen when not needed in the rotation.
Hopefully
He’ll be used much like he was in the 2001/2002 years. Log about 150-160 innnings, 15 starts, 20-30 relief appearances, etc.
The benefit he brings is that he can be slotted in on those long schedules without breaks to give guys some exta rest, he can pitch the back ends of double-headers without having to shuttle the younger guys up and back, he can even rest the bullpen by taking those thankless 4-6 innings when the regular starter falters.
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