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GameThread: Baltimore Orioles at Boston Red Sox, Sep 8, 2009

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Baltimore Orioles at Boston Red Sox, Sep 8, 2009 7:10 PM EDT


Baltimore Orioles' Aubrey Huff walks to the dugout after the final out in the Orioles 4-2 loss to the Detroit Tigers in a baseball game Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2009 in Detroit. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

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3 months ago: Baltimore Orioles' Aubrey Huff walks to the dugout after the final out in the Orioles 4-2 loss to the Detroit Tigers in a baseball game Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2009 in Detroit. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

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That's right. It's on. Crunch time.

The Orioles come in to Boston in a tense, furious race for the division with the Red Sox. The two teams have slugged it out all season, and now the young team's playoff hopes rest on this series.

... Oh, sorry, I'm looking at the future. 3 Years from now. Or is it 5? 10? Whenever it is, we'll never see those wacky Orioles coming (see picture on the left for proof of wackiness).

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I deleted it.

Sorry about that. I would’ve held off if I knew you were working on one.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

held off on posting this thread,

that is. Your hard work is appreciated, however.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let me tell you

I SLAVED over this thread. Hours of intense thought and decision. I certainly did not write it in fifteen seconds. No siree, bob.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

For me, Huff will always be an Oriole. Except when he’s a Ray, or a Tiger.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spielberg called

He wants to option this thread for a treatment.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way, man.

I’m holding out for Michael FUCKING Bay, dude. And I want the lead actor, playing me, to be Chuck FUCKING Norris. And an underwater skateboard chase scene with underwater exFUCKINGplosions. And there has to be a cameo with Dennis Rodman…

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas and Cleveland tied in Game 1 of 2

Texas has 2 on and 1 out.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching it.

Not a lot of focus on Cleveland’s part. Andrus stole 2nd, and then he stole 3rd without a throw.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feliz allowed 2 inherited runners to score last inning

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not tied anymore

Byrd: 3-run HR

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh IDK maybe a spot on the team next year.

They have some depth on the farm now.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tex-8 Cle-5.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dice-K pitching for Salem tomorrow.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unrelated topic

But Salem has (arguably) New England’s premier museum for Asian artwork and culture, the Peabody Essex Museum.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if there's a witchcraft museum.

Around Halloween they attract a lot if tourists because of the witch trials.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You been there?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries

1 out

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worry

1 lineout on a 3-2

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Made short work of Pie

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1-2-3

All in the air.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why is mlb tv so far behind

I am listening to the raido broadcast seeing the tv broadcast.

by obrient15 on Sep 8, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tex-8 Cle-6.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hafner just took Feliz deep

Cuts Texas’ lead to 8-6.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Laporta up.

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by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laporta was a gator?

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell yeah.

TONS of homers in 2005 – I got his autograph after a game the next season against Harvard. Kinda disturbing how many chants we could come up with to bash a team called “The Cardinal”

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My prediction for Laporta is that he will put up Ryan Braun numbers.

Maybe not next year, but in the near future.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not an easy guy to walk

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sombody must have taken Ells and put in an imposter.

Ells actually worked a walk.

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by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dusty!!!!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Geez, VMart crushed that

Wrong part of the ballpark, though.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youk!!!!!!!!!

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yoouuuk!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, that's what I thought he could do in Baltimore.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

looks like that's what he's up to

fastballs and I guess changeups, fewer curves

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K #1.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ks Mora

Good breaking stuff

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Choo comes through.

Tex-8 Cle-7.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland got another run

RBI single by Choo.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gesundheit.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, the Sox actually put that 19 year old on the 40 man roster?

Iglesias, I mean. He’s on the expanded roster. That’s a surprise, at least to me.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

>_> Not at ALL eligible.

Won’t be till 2012.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn rules.

Where’s MassGal when you need a compliance law person?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's always how it is.

Never a lawyer when you need one…

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

I bet there are some ambulance drivers who would say lawyers are around whether you want them or not

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Sep 8, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If nothing else

He can play a major league SS already.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that good, huh

Still surprised to see him on the roster. Awful lotta semi-operable shortstops and first basemen floating around the clubhouse.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that too

Yeah, he can’t hit AT ALL apparently. Well, if he’s the real deal in the field, that’s where you traditionally accept a weak bat. His is REALLY weak though.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, this Buchholz kid looks pretty good.

I think maybe someday he could throw a no-hitter.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

[Tek picks up Clay to celebrate no-no]

Clay: “Hey, this doesn’t mean I have to throw one of these every time, right?”
Tek: “Oh, damn, I thought you read that pamphlet, kid.”

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Borbon just hit another HR.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland's pen strikes again.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SeaBass!

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A-Going Going Going A-GON!

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gonzo goes deep!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very deep

Mid parking lot.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-Gon with the 12-game hitting streak

I think he’s also around 50 at-bats without a walk, iirc.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excuse me,

81 plate appearances without a walk.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Working in more ways than one, then.

When have we even seen the changeup tonight?

Also, the slider has remarkably little downward break. That could be an interesting pitch when you consider how much his curveball dips.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3-9 Slider.

And there has to have been at least one change.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K #2.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tex-11 Cle-7.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can Francisco blow a 4-run lead?

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's trying.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty!!!!!!!!!!

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I coulda held up on that one, Youk.

But I probably couldn’t have hit that bomb, so fair trade.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LaPorta: 2-run HR

Cleveland down by 2.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't understand. That is their specialty.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas won

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easily the worst pen in the majors.

Don’t give me an ERA stat. When the games count, they are at their worst. They gave up 4 or 5 run leads day after day.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th worst WPA/LI in the majors for a pen:

http//www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&type=3&season=2009&month=0

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, but that doesn't show only the time from the start of the season to the time

they dropped out of the race. Plus, they did acquire some players. Chris Perez is one, and I think there was one other. Besides, Cleveland is notorious for winning games when it doesn’t matter.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Na na na na

Na na na na

Hey hey hey

Goodbye.

I missed 3rd inning pitching changes.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cle loses game 1.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like, 1 good pen arm.

How much is that to ask?

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The owner and front office are absolute idiots.

They traded away the heart and soul of the team. They were 1 or 2 pen arms and maybe a 3/4 starter away from being a world series contender. Mid way through the season, they had more runs scored than the sox and maybe the Rays IIRC.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bizzare interview right here.

This guy is the leader of Bermuda, and he’s talking to Heidi Watney.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'd resist it.

It’s hard to find the right angle for those jokes.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drew!!!!!!!!!

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JD!!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that IS funny

If they bleeped out the ass I guess you’d have to figure out what kind of hole it was, though. And that would distract terribly from the commercials, so…

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

And he declared, “There can only be one.”

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buchh has the curve working tonight

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice play by Youk

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, well.

He’s still doing well.

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you're Burnett...

And you walk 10 people before the hit is given up.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

9 BB

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clay recovers quickly.

Down 2-0 after giving up a walk and a hit, he’d be done last year.

So nice to have confidence that he won’t implode this year.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY.

This is what he meant by saying he’s finally become a pitcher.

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's more than just in the context of a single game, too.

He’s had 2 terrible starts this year—7 earned in under 5 innings.

After the first game, he pitched 6 innings giving up 2 runs.

The start after the second game was the dominance against Toronto.

Kid isn’t scared anymore.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

He has great stuff.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always had that.

Nasty curve, nasty change, can hit 95 with movement on his fastball.

And that slider is intriguing.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm expecting big things from him next year

Beckett-Lester-Buchholz could form one of the best top-of-the-rotations in baseball. A healthy Dice-K could be a good #4.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would you have 5th?

Wake might be the obvious choice, but sooner or later we’ll have to move him. He spent too long on the DL this year for my tastes.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

'Kid isn’t scared anymore.'

He seems confident. And you know, I wouldn’t MIND seeing his move to first more now. He used to throw over to avoid throwing the next pitch, but not now.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

And now with a big lead he should just throw the ball over the plate, he can afford to give up runs. Make ‘em hit it. Pitch in context. That’s what a big game pitcher does.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Dusty was robbed

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice change

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

K #3.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

His slider is up in the zone too much tonight

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It worked when he was throwing it outside.

Makes it tempting to swing at.

But it’s definitely a work in progress pitch. Picked a good time to work on it though, y’know?

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His other stuff is good tonight

So the O’s can’t sit on any one pitch. That makes his bad slider (tonight) better.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only time Clay seems to get hurt is when he can't locate his fastball.

I haven’t noticed a lot of nights where his curve or change are off. If he’s got both of those working every night, he’s gonna be a force.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why Theo was reluctant to trade him, and why everyone wanted him

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truth

Not a lot of guys it makes sense to trade Buchholz for. Obviously, Felix was one of those few, but otherwise we didn’t see his name coming from the Sox a lot.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K #4.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 pitch K

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It looks like he is

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lead off double?

No problem for the Buck.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice job - pitching around a lead-off double

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who feels good

about Buchholz in October?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Better than I do Dice-k or Wake.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dice-K has made one good start in the playoffs

Wake is hit or miss—and he’s hurt. I think Buchholz may already be better than Dice-K.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dice-k came up huge in 2007

as i’m sure you know, in game seven. that was his first year in the bigs and he wasnt rattled. thats what im talking about. and the discussion is kind of stupid actaully becuase the four starters in the playoffs are obviously going to be Beckett, Lester, Dice K and Buchholz. Switch the order of the last two, it doesnt matter. byrd wont be in there and neither will wake, except out of desperation, and only if hes healthy

by revived0103 on Sep 8, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not out of preference

out of necessity. in case you havent noticed our other options are byrd, tazawa, and wakefield.

by revived0103 on Sep 8, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why all the Wake hate?

I realize he’s gimpy and had a meh outing last time, but there’s no reason to think he can’t do good for us in October.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

B/c I'd rather not put a ton of reliance on a knuckleball.

It’s fine in non-crucial situations, but I’d prefer a pitcher who has control over his pitches and whether or not they work.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too many HR.

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by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huge?!?!

Here are his post-season game logs in 2007:

ALDS Game 2 – 4.2 IP 7 H 3 ER 3 BB 3 K (96 pitches). The Sox pen threw 4.1 IP of no-hit, shut-out ball.

ALCS Game 3 – 4.2 IP 6 H 4 ER 2 BB 6 K (101 pitches) The pen made this close by going 3.1 scoreless

ALCS Game 7 – 5 IP 6 H 2 ER 0 BB 3 K (86 pitches) Oki and Paps were the story here. Each went 2 scoreless innings.

WS Game 3 – 5.1 IP 3 H 2 ER 3 BB 5 K (101 pitches) The Sox gave him a 6-run lead and he could even go 6 IP.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well i was talking specifically about his start in game seven

which was good. but it looks like he also had a good start in the WS.

by revived0103 on Sep 8, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those aren't good starts

They adequate, at best. Innings are very important.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im not sure i do

i still believe in Daisuke as a veteran who will not get rattled in any situation. Buchholz has shown great improvement mentally over the past year, and another month on pennant baseball should develop him even further. But seeing as a postseason is four men, and paul byrd and tim wakefield should be nowhere near it, daisuke would help a lot by being healthy. the experience and talent are there, and i bet the shoulder is too. nothing wrong with the young guy buchholz pitching fourth though

by revived0103 on Sep 8, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dice averaged 5 IP in the post-season

His only good start was Game 2 of the ALCS last year. Otherwise, he has been nothing special.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's been decent

ERA of 4.79. nothing special but mentally tough and gave us a chance

by revived0103 on Sep 8, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see Daisuke come back to form, certainly.

But just as he doesn’t get rattled, he also doesn’t pitch to situations. I’m worried about this pen going 4 innings after a 5 inning start from Daisuke. I’d say I trust Buck to manage 7 innings more than I’d trust Matsuzaka.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

But I’d settle for 6.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Beckett and Lester are guys you can usually trust to go deep.

Workhorses are a big help in October. A 5 inning Daisuke performance wouldn’t be so bad with Wagner and Paps ready to go and Beckett available to give them the night off.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before we worry who is going to pitch in the postseason

lets get there! We are only up 2 games probably 2.5 because of the lead we have now. That is not over or even close to over.

by obrient15 on Sep 8, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this argument is kind of pointless though

because unless we have wakefield, byrd or tazawa going, its going to be buch and dice k. the only thing i can imagine people are considering is that wake will be in the rotation, which he wont be

by revived0103 on Sep 8, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very very good

Number Two after Lester, ’cause who knows what will come from Beckett?

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I trust Beckett.

He’s having a fine year. Hit a rough patch with the homers but had a good game yesterday, has always had the Ks going, etc.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice hitting by VMart

Our first non-HR hit.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Darn.

There had to be some record they were flirting with there.

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You hit our catcher"

“We foul the mask right off of yours!”

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He looked safe.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas up 2-0 in Game 2

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3-0

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-0

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is that fan reaching over?

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He should be tossed

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

He killed my father.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your name Inigo Montoya, by any chance?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He isn't good

He may be hot now. But he’ll cool off and suck. He has always been a poor hitter. It would be foolish to count on him.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but if he takes Lowrie's playing time then, yes.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzo is healthy, and he plays like he is in the Special Olympics.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One could say the same about you and Gonzo.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of last season.

With a broken wrist = average SS.
With a healthy wrist > average SS.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

81 exactly.

306 PAs of .326 wOBA – we don’t know when the injury happened, so we can’t split it.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, the big problems started in May

He got hit by a pitch in the wrist, and was never quite the same since then.

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Odd:


Still managed to be a ~.350 wOBA batter after that.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same reason Woodward is in

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Expect Kottaras to come in when Buchh's night is over

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good, I'd like to see him.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've won more than our fair share too

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Like, really really?

It was THIS SEASON

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK OK

not against the O’s on a Smoltzless team then.
This is the post-experimental era.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

For guilt by association, which is a civil matter, you just need a preponderance of the evidence.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To give Ells a rest

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, geez...

while we’re at it why not put the kid shortstop in and slide Gonzo to second, sit Petey down for once

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

9-0

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tex-5 Cle-0

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by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he's tipping his pitches

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe he just sucks.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 and rec.

I think if he just finds the right pitching coach, he can figure it out…

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6-0, Texas

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just shut that game off.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K #5

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sit down.

You just got K’d.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

106 pitches

I say we Dusty Baker him just to make headlines.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well can we at least rough him up?

Like, maybe have someone tackle him into a locker.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, sure.

The MFY have their shaving cream face pie ritual, we have the high-school-shove-the-dork-in-the-locker-routine. Just gotta hope he doesn’t revert to stealing stuff…

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice job by Buchholz

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Except for the 2 blowups.

But let’s not talk about those when we’ve got awesome games like tonight and Toronto to talk about.

by USG on Sep 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

7.0-3-0-0-1-5?

That’s a damn good job—particularly the 4th and 5th innings.

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Papi!!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Large Father crushes one

Welcome back

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, after the power display by the Elf

How could Papi not respond with a monster shot of his own?

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reddick PH

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by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please, please, please.

HOLY SHUYGY&UG that’s a lot of subs – no Jed? :(

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have seen Saltpeter

It is not a myth…

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Sep 8, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everything's worked out this game

I say these Orioles are stout fellows. Let’s have them over often.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Phil Hughes gave up a HR to Bartlett to tie the game

Nice to see Hughes losae a lead.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hughes has been unreal, that's for sure

ever since they put him in the pen. I swear, that turned the whole team around.

by Mister Snitch on Sep 8, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evening All!

Go Sox!!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Sep 8, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Howdy

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lowrie in

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yay

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lowrie at SS

but why didn’t they let him bat?

by dsharp on Sep 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know

My thoughts exactly.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better for him to K now.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His problems seem to be aggravated mainly by LH swings.

So we might only see him batting against lefties for a while..

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Would be nice if he doesn’t have to check swing anytime soon.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 8, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other news, Lidge is on the verge of blowing another save.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Lidge just got pulled.

Not a good sign when you have to yank your closer.

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just got home from school.

So Bucholtz looked good?

by jcorye1 on Sep 8, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 8, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

He looked VERY good. 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R.

by lone1c on Sep 8, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game over.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 8, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Night All!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Sep 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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