GT: Jays @ Red Sox - Sept. 30
by Randy Booth on Sep 30, 2009 7:05 PM EDT
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PrintToronto Blue Jays at Boston Red Sox, Sep 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT
We've clinched! Now do these games really matter?
Eh, sure. Let's go out with a bang.
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Blue Jays lead the series 2-0
| Mon 09/28 | WP: Scott Richmond (8 - 10) LP: Michael Bowden (0 - 1) |
5 - 11 loss |
| Tue 09/29 | WP: Ricky Romero (13 - 9) SV: Jason Frasor LP: Clay Buchholz (7 - 4) |
7 - 8 loss |
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Toronto Blue Jays Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009, 7:10 PM EDT Cloudy. Winds blowing out to center field at 10-15 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 55. |
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Tonight's line-up:
1. Joey Gathright, CF
2. Josh Reddick, LF
3. Casey Kotchman, 1B
4. David Ortiz, DH
5. Rocco Baldelli, RF
6. George Kottaras, C
7. Alex Gonzalez, SS
8. Jed Lowrie, 3B
9. Chris Woodward, 2B
— Tim Wakefield, SP
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
This is the one thing the whiners may have a point about
I’m fine with Tito resting all the guys who are going to be on the playoff roster — not one of them needs to take the field again until the playoffs if that’s what the Sox feel gives them the best chance to win in the postseason. But it costs a small fortune to go to a game at Fenway these days, and I’d be furious if I shelled out my money to watch that lineup play. For that lineup, you’d have to be in Pawtucket.
Take the extra time to walk around Fenway and see all the sights?
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
If I'm you, sure
But I live in Boston. I can do that any time I want.
Oh.
IDK – it’s still the Sox. I’d be thrilled.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
It's the PawSox
Anyone who paid for a ticket to tonight’s game ought to at least get discounted tickets to a game that counts next year.
Game after a late night celebration
That’s why the line-up sucked.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
7 of 9 correct
so my starting line-up( i posted last nite) for tonite is only off by 2 players:
no Green or Brown (colorful) - Kotchman and Gonzalez …
i had: Gathright(CF) – Lowrie (SS) – Reddick (RF) – Ortiz (1B) – Kottaras (DH)
Green (2B) – Woodward (3B) – Anderson (LF) – Brown (C )
will somebody
please put Wakefield out of his misery…he’s been here many years too many!
DB
The hell?
$4mil per year as a perpetual team option and he always outperforms that when healthy. Tonight you should be thanking him for being one of the most loyal and consistent players we’ve had since FA began.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
I just want him to play the first half of the season
He can’t get through a full season anymore, but he’s a very good middle-of-the-rotation starter in the first half. Give us 20 starts from April through July at $4M and he’s one of the best bargains in baseball. But after that? He has nothing left.
I wonder if the thing to do is to have him rehab until July, then come back around the all-star break. If he can give us 15-20 solid starts in the second half and playoffs next year he’d be the equivalent of picking up the best available starting pitcher at the trade deadline, only we wouldn’t have to give up anything to get him.
Hmm... maybe.
The back surgery would make that a possibility. It could also mean all his troubles are behind him.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
That would be great
Having the surgery would be the best of both worlds — he’d have to sit out the first half anyway, but he’d be healthy and sturdy enough to finish the year. Then, if he’s still healthy, he could try to come back for the whole year in 2011.
The thing is, at his age, you can’t count on anything. The knuckler may not be as hard on the body as what everyone else throws, but when you’re that old, things just start falling apart. That’s fine if you’re not a professional athlete, but it ends your career if you are.
Perhaps he'll rehab extra hard and become the fittest mid-40's player ever.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
More fit than Satchell Paige or Nolan Ryan?
Not likely. Those guys were freaks.
I would’ve thrown Roger in there too, but we all know that was steroids rather than fitness.
What BS is saying, beyond the loyalty, eyc.
Is he give the Sox very good value for only $4 million. Would you rather pay $16.5 million for the MFY’s #2 starter?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
NG, is that you?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting cropping on the pic, Randy.
Definitely makes a statement – Paps is valued for his arm, not his head.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
Evening All!
Go Sox!
It kinda sux that I am home/injured this week as I’d rather be able to watch the playoffs…too bad I could not schedule my back injury.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
At least you get to watch a stellar Sox line-up tonight
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody make it stop, please
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
I have some but try not to take them
but need to numb this pain. I know it is illegal and besides I do not have enough but I think all of Red Sox " nation" could use something to ease the pain right now.
This is def not how I want to see my Sox.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Ha, it definitely is
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Perhaps catch up on some TV shows?
I mean, you’re not going to see anything revolutional tonight.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
I will
the new adventures of old christine is a show many friends talk about. I hope it makes me laugh.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
I watched it once - wasn't too funny.
Then again, I can’t really relate to any of the characters.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
It's not fun
But I doubt the games are that meaningful. Right now, I’m finishing up a look at every AL playoff team since 2000, how they finished the season and what they did in the playoffs. In short, whether or not going into the postseason hot or cold matters. I’ll post my findings soon.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
true
It is unrealistic but I want the Sox to win every game especially the ones I get to see.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Me too
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing that could have made this line-up better would have been Tek at DH
And Green pitching.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Tigers took the lead, 4-2
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nooooooooooo!
come on Motown!
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Tim Wakefield is an embarrassment
If he does not retire after tonight, he should be let go. It is obvious that we don’lt care about winning tonight or about our offensive prowess, but that still does not justify allowing a non-major league caliber pitcher to represent this team. Do we need to see 5 guys in a row hit homers off Wakefield before the obvious is realized??
NG, have you met db24?
I have a feeling you guys would get along well.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice to meet you NG...
Delaney introduced us…it seems many fans are in denial about the weaknesses in this ballclub….nobody wants them to win more than I do but….they’re not producing in spite of getting millions of $…
DB
The Pirates are getting millions too
They haven’t produced since Barry Bonds was clean. But the Florida Marlins, with the smallest payroll in baseball, are going to end up around five games out of the playoffs.
And how about those New York Mets? Who knew that $135 million bought just 67 wins?
I guess millions of dollars can’t buy everything.
"Non-major league caliber"
Explain his 5.7 pRAA.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
Are you not watching.
Do you not see a washed up pitcher? Sometimes I think you use stats as blinders to reality.
by NG on Sep 30, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I see a pitcher who throws the most random pitch possible.
And he’s managed to control it well enough to be above average this year.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
I think I found my new sig line!!
“Sometimes I think you use stats as blinders to reality.”
I just need a picture…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Here ya go, luddite:
But seriously, stats are as much reality as the sweat dripping from Timmeh's cap.
It’s all about how they are interpreted.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
And four months from now, if he's healthy again
The Sox will renew his option, and he’ll be around for another year. The Sox are not going to get rid of him just because he’s hurt.
Ahem:
Mr. Paige is threatening to call all the fielders in again.
/anecdotal
And, if you want to look at more recent pitchers who threw the same pitch: the Niekros pitched into their mid-40’s, IIRC. Let Wake get the surgery, which should fix all the problems he’s been having in the past couple seasons, and THEN judge his ability.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
Hey Shaugnnessy!
I guess the sox still aren’t showing their cards. Or are they?
No self-respecting Sox fan reads CHB
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate MDC too right now
But who replaces him?
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
LETS GET NO HIT TONIGHT!!!
PLEASE!?!?!
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
Random fact
Jason Bay and JD Drew are 1 and 2 in wOBA and OPS for all AL outfielders this year.
Source?
Fangraphs suggests Bay and Drew are 2 and 3 in OPS (behind Adam Lind—-and not counting Zobrist, who played most of the year as a 2B), and 1 and 4 in wOBA (Lind and Shin-Soo Choo coming in 2 and 3).
But still, not bad at all.
Lind and Zobrist
have not been full time OFs. Lind in particular has only played 55 games in the OF.
Why pitch Hallady the whole game?
Don’t they have young pitchers that could use experience?
DB
Get there money's worth out of him, I guess.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
They're trying to get him the Cy Young
He has a decent argument for second place, but Greinke is better.
If Grienke doesn't win, I'm never discussing the award again.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
I guarantee you some of the voters will leave him off their ballots entirely
When they do, I’ll be calling for them to lose their voting privileges permanently.
You're probably right
or else trying to increase his trade value….it’s unreal, a 12 run lead and he’s still in there in the ninth!
DB
I'd leave him out there too
Has he even hit 100 pitches yet? There’s no reason to pull him.
Hahaha - Gameday's saying knuckleballs and changeups for Brown.
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
Wow. Tito let Brown pitch?
Are we getting close to a record for most position players to pitch for a team in a single season?
Ortiz strikes out three times
and the beat goes on…
DB
I feel violated by what I have seen in the last 5 games.
Maybe it does not matter to some of you, but to me, I would have Tito fired for this embarrassing precedent performance. I have never been so ashamed of a professional sports team as I am now of the Sox. What they did tonight should disqualify them from the playoffs. I believe this resting everyone and playing Wakefield and just giving up will backfire on them so that they are momentum-less in the playoffs, just like they are now. Have they no pride, and do they really think they can flick a magic switch which will reverse all this negativism and fan letdown??
I’m pissed!
Seriously, if you're so ashamed, why don't you follow through with your threats to stop paying attention to the Sox?
Is it because they’re actually a pretty damn good team accomplished a goal with a few games left to spare?
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday; Learn to use SB Nation
Another night like this and I gone.
I will not waste my time with a team with no pride and desire to win every game! They owe it to the fan base watching and those paying big bucks to fill that staduim.
by NG on Oct 1, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You've posted many variations on a theme, NG
But this is perhaps the dumbest one yet.
“Giving up?”
What exactly is to be gained, now that the Sox have secured a playoff berth, to put their players in harm’s way. The Sox dodged a HUGE bullet last week when the ball hit Lester in the quad instead of on the kneecap. Making everybody play as if they’re still in the middle of a playoff race? Not smart.
Also, keep in mind that most of the regulars probably got rather blotto last night, and a day off probably is in their best interests anyways.
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