Toronto Blue Jays @ Boston Red Sox GameThread, Sep 28, 2009 7:10 PM EDT

Jays @ Sox, 9/28/09

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 6:58 PM EDT in Open Thread Comment 164 comments

Toronto Blue Jays at Boston Red Sox, Sep 28, 2009 7:10 PM EDT

Nam Y Huh - AP

Time to sit back and watch the game, Commander. "Cool."

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Toronto Blue Jays @ Boston Red Sox

09/28/09 7:10 PM EDT

Toronto Blue Jays	Boston Red Sox
Jose Bautista - RF	Jacoby Ellsbury - CF
Aaron Hill - 2B	Dustin Pedroia - 2B
Adam Lind - DH	Victor Martinez - C
Vernon Wells - CF	Kevin Youkilis - 3B
Edwin Encarnacion - 3B	David Ortiz - DH
Lyle Overbay - 1B	Jason Bay - LF
Rod Barajas - C	J.D. Drew - RF
Travis Snider - LF	Casey Kotchman - 1B
John McDonald - SS	Alex Gonzalez - SS

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Did I ninja anyone?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sox CAN clinch tonight.

But if they do it will have to involve a loss by a team that doesn’t start playing for 3 hours. Talk about anit-climactic!

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I don't have to get to sleep in an hour later tomorrow.

Obviously, this means I can stay up till like 3 AM with no side affects, right?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Woo-hoo! no Tek tonight!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 28, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

For my Pats brothers, Wilfork's injury isn't long term.

May not even miss the next game.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yessss

by BillMac on Sep 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im mad at the pats

you guys couldn’t even beat the jets for me.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't happy either

But, then again, I’m a Pats fan.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not great velo - 91, 90, 91, 91.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's standard for Bowden

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm using tonight as Pitch F/X scouting opportunity on Bowden.

Assuming I can get all my homework done while following.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Touching 93

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

Looks like he’s warming up…

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He doesn't throw that hard

He reminds me of a harder throwing Keith Foulke (same hitch in his wind up). His stuff is eh. If his control isn’t good, he’ll get hammered.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

That was killed.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bad change up

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No kidding.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Feck!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Crap.

Longo look-alike acts like him too.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bowden is definitely not ready for the bigs.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

3 batters?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

45 on the season.

8.44 ERA

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To be fair

His era should be around a 5 because he was left in just to save our bullpen against the yankees.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

tRA of 4.19

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know what tRA is

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Metric based on batted balls.

GB%, LD%, FB%, etc.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Google it.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

alright.

I get the basics. But I’m guessing his tRA is not good.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

On the contrary...

Average is usually in the high 4s. So he’s been an above average pitcher so far.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well that is good to hear.

He seemed to have promise when he came in against the yankees and struck out 2/2 in like the 8th.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

where do you find pitchers tRA

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://statcorner.com/

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Slider drops about 8ish MPH.

Change about the same.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

:O

USC running back accidentally had a weight lifting bar fall on his throat. He’s having surgery.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ouch. That's scary.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course, ESPNEWS's tweet is a bit scarier.

Accident = “ax.”

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which one?

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stafon Johnson.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The security guy who went and got the bat

Didn’t really ask, just sort of grabbed on. =\

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where was that pitch?

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Couple inside pitches that could have been either.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, we're not clinching tonight

And there’s better TV on than this. ;_;

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I might be able to get the Pitch F/X thing out of the way early.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yikes

Bowden is throwing BP.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This is a waste of time, so I'm going to do some homework. I will probably be back.

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth." -Ted Williams

by BoldandBrash on Sep 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never even turned the game on

We are in the playoffs no matter what math tells me.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, 39 pitches.

Decent sample size.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for putting Vic in last night to fuck up the streak, BTW.

Real nice, Tito. =(

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You have to put the team ahead of personal records, etc.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The team stood to benefit very little.

I don’t agree with going into one game with Anderson, Baldelli, and Kotchman and then all-of-a-sudden decide another game is worth messing with a game worh of rest for a PH appearance.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rodney Harrison, is that you?

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Youk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That was a pretty shitty changeup too...

Yoooooooouk

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like them better when the opposition throws them.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Won't see that in the playoffs!

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You'll see bad pitches.

Even good pitchers hang sliders, curves, and change ups.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus, there's some pretty meh pitchers in the playoffs.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

I’m hoping bad Burnett shows up this October.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And CC.

And Lackey, etc.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I heard something very interesting about sabathia that I never really thought of

Well he has been called a bad postseason pitcher but does anyone think it could have anything to do with cold weather? He is best in june july and august/

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It might

He has been bad in April in his career (over 200 IP). He needed a heating pad early in the season. He may have trouble getting loose in cold weather.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well if that's the case

Then the yankees may be in trouble.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's looked fine of late.

Could also be he was breaking down later in the season.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps he needs to hibernate.

IDK – if he thought that was so, and he really wanted a ring, then he would have gone to the Dodgers or some other southern team.

That said, he hasn’t really pitched a lot in the postseason for us to say he’s a bad postseason pitcher.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but he has been terrible.

And why not go to where the money is at.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because he strikes me as a competitor.

It’s a pretty small sample size to judge him from. I mean, it’s like saying Pedroia sucks after watching him struggle early this season.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but early april and may is not a small sample size

if you put that all together he has terrible numbers in those months

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who?

Lackey, Kazmir, Weaver? Heck, even Saunders could be lights out sometimes!

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could be.

Not will be.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

as Dice-BB

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Our offense is a lot scarier than theirs.

As is our front 2.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Figgins > Ellsbury

Abreu better numbers than Elf
Morales, Hunter, Vlad… Our offense is not a LOT scarier than theirs!

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the only thing that scares me about the halos

THey are going to run the hell out of us and that scares me.

by obrient15 on Sep 28, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This.

They’re better, but our club strikes me as better built for October, where one homer means a lot more.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orange County isn't hitting well lately

Kendrick has been very good in September. Abreu—.262 AVG/.387 OBP/.417 SLG (.803 OPS/.352 wOBA) has been good. But that’s it. Here’s how the other Angels have hit this month:

Aybar – .292 AVG/.351 OBP/.404 SLG (.755 OPS/.326 wOBA)
Figgins – .250 AVG/.373 OBP/.348 SLG (.721 OPS/.325 wOBA)
Izturis – .265 AVG/.329 OBP/.382 SLG (.711 OPS/.311 wOBA)
Hunter – .245 AVG/.294 OBP/.363 SLG (.656 OPS/.289 wOBA)
Rivera – 202 AVG/.302 OBP/.345 SLG.(647 OPS/.289 wOBA)
Morales – .247 AVG/.314 OBP/.376 SLG (.690 OPS/.286 wOBA)
Guerrero – .244 AVG/.293 OBP/.349 SLG (.642 OPS/.286 wOBA)
Napoli – .154 AVG/.233 OBP/.359 SLG (.592 OPS/.259 wOBA)
Mathis – .222 AVG/.243 OBP/.250 SLG (.493 OPS/.222 wOBA)

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Drugs, how do you get the slashes so fast?

Quick typing, or a source?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Drugs is employed by MLB

chief statistician

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bud Selig would never pay me

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Offer to comb his hair?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scary

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cut and paste from Fangraphs

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm...

It’d be nice if they had all those stats in columns next to each other…

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some of them are

I think only wOBA isn’t.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It goes:

AVG on first table
OBP/SLG/OPS… wOBA

I’m basically looking for a quick importing tool for stats into slash format. Oh well.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 straight Ks for Bowden

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, that was better.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Okay, Gonzo, don't regress yet.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's a bad hitter

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dammit.

I know, I was just trying to will him to keep up his hot streak there. Apparently, I have done something to offend him and he wants to spite me.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm surprised Ells didn't want to spite you after recent...vendettas.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shh...

Keep secret motivations quiet.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Bowden's really been able to get comfortable this year at all.

He had a really strong start down in AAA, but started to falter when he got named in all sorts of trade talks while Buck was being named as nigh-untouchable. If Buck thought he was gone, imagine how Bowden felt when he was being offered around to everyone with a catcher born after Vietnam in the preseason and everyone of interest at the break—and this is for a guy who’s actively stated he’d rather wait longer and come up with the Sox than come up with anyone else.

He’s always been a starter, but now he’s only getting spot starts with no notice and bullpen stints. This is his first time not being one of “the guys” on his team. It’s a lot to adjust to.

I think the folks down in Pawtucket should make sure he’s viewed as their #1 guy next year. Opening day starter and all that. And enough with the pen appearances. If they have spot starts they need made, OK. But we’ve got other guys for garbage long relief (Traber, Gonzalez)

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"Dustin is sitting pretty nice right now"

Oh God he’s gonna get out next pitch. Thanks Remy!

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Come on Elf

Hit one onto that gap! you’ve slumpin’ lately time to end it!

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Blame RemDawg

He jinxed it.

by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Evening All!

Go Sox!!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Sep 28, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good evening, Ms. 68.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Howdy, MassGal

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yikes!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Almost got out of it.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 for Youk!!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OK, this is BS

I am annoyed, moreso than when the Sox lost to the MFY. I’m not sure why though…

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Sep 28, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Because the Sox should beat Toronto at Fenway

Except … Bowden is pitching.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that Hunter Jones is any better.

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by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Jones.

Blame FSU.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because it's the Jays, a team we're supposed to beat.

And their catcher is feasting on decent pitching prospects.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because this is not a team that

is going to win the WS, and will likely never make that series! I don’t wish this, but I have seen not as lot of real class from this team against the better teams.

by NG on Sep 28, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the playoffs are slightly better representative of the best team than a random dart toss.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, and the Angels and Tigers are lighting it up

14-14 v. likely AL playoff teams, and they’re 13-12 in September. Then there’s the Tigers: 7-15 v. likely playoff teams.

The Sox are playing .600 ball this month, and they’re 19-15 v. likely AL playoff teams.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And a pretty damn good team overall.

Third best talent, behind the MFY and the Rays, who have underperformed like crazy.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Tied for the third-best record in MLB.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was going off Justin's Team Quality Index in the BtB Power Rankings.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I figured

I was just emphasizing something NG might understand.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

poor pitching

Don’t we have ANY good pitchers in our farm system? It’s been one bad performance after another from these young guys…even Bard has me wondering…
DB

by db24 on Sep 28, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can't expect the kids to come out dealing.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Buchholz?

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's been around awhile

by db24 on Sep 28, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kelly?

Stolmy? Doubront?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easy there man

Kelly and Pimental are 2-3 years away from the show. Dubront? Not even at Bowden level (check out his K/BB ratio not very impressive)…Tazawa will be fine after a half season in AAA tough! Remember that he was in AA at the ASB, he just had 2 starts in AAA. Injury and underachivement from Smoltz and gravy.

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not very high on Tazawa or Bowden

They strike me as back-of-the-rotation/middle relief type pitchers, at best.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rushed him to the majors

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bowden= trade ship

Tazawa = the team looks high on him. With some seasonning, could get better (love that splitter!)

tRA is the real stat.

by bloodysock04 on Sep 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bowden has little value

Tazawa has meh stuff, unless his breaking pitches get MUCH better. Even then, his fastball is below average. I see him more as a swing-starter—nothing special. I like his poise, though. He never seemed rattled, even when the other team was beating his brains in. I hope he surprises me. But I’m not holding my breath.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They're still "good pitchers in our farm system."

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and Kotchman

Theo did it again! Look what LaRoche has done for the Braves….
DB

by db24 on Sep 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Look what - we don't need him.

And you can’t evaluate looking at results – PROCESSES.

We need someone to keep up the D at 1B if/when Youk’s at 3B. LaRoche isn’t a great defender.
Kotchman’s younger, IIRC.
Etc.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

And getting VMart made LaRoche expendable.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If LaRoche was expendable why get Kotchman

they play the same position..
DB

by db24 on Sep 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because he has a good glove, is younger than LaRoche, and under contract after this year

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly what I meant.

Fits our needs better.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

... Was esplaining to DB.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well this is horrible.

by NorCalGal on Sep 28, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, Bautista is just annoying.

Ooh, Richardson.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WTF?

Millar at 3B? Let’s bunt!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 28, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What's Dustin's hitless streak up to now?

I know it’s at least 0-11…
DB

by db24 on Sep 28, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Could you be a wee bit less negative?

It’s not like he isn’t trying.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hear you

but I’ve been a fan since the mid 60’s…loved Tony C and Yaz’s triple crown year…but this team has been an underachiever this year…I don’t care for the the way Tito handles pitchers and the way Theo trades….but I’ll keep rooting until my dying day!
DB

by db24 on Sep 28, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great, another old guy to make us feel spoiled. :)

The team is fine – they’re one of the top 3 teams in the league, we don’t have any major injury issues, no pitcher is overworked, and we have a great farm system so that we STAY great.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 28, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs