Game 106: Penny struggles, Red Sox get swept
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In a game that saw six home runs, you'd think it would have gone a little bit better for the Sox.
Nope.
The Sox lost game two to the Rays, 6-4, on Wednesday night. The Sox hit two homers, the Rays upped them by hitting four of their own.
The good news? Victor Martinez and Jason Bay hit bombs. Hideki Okajima pitched a good inning.
The bad news? Brad Penny gave up five runs in six innings, including three home runs (Jason Bartlett hit one off Manny Delcarmen). Bay left the game because he re-injured his hamstring and will be out two games.
Anything else to mention? Not really.
The Sox were just beat by a good team these last two days. They could have (should have?) won the 13-inning game, but you miss out on games like that. Today, with four home runs given up, it's hard to say the Sox should have won it. Nevertheless, the season continues.
The Sox start a HUGE four-game series with the Yankees starting Thursday at 7 p.m. Should be an interesting four days.
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At this point...
I’d be happy to leave the Bronx with a split, but that might be asking too much.
by sonicdeathmonkey on Aug 6, 2009 4:10 AM EDT reply actions
4-0!!!
Are you the yankee fans stalking this board getting ready to look at 12-0?? Woot! Here we go Red Sox, Here We go!!
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Hell no
no MFY Fan here, where I’m from they kill you for that sort of thing. Just saying we’re playing like crap lately and it isn’t looking promising for this weekend. Hell yes I’d cream myself to leave there 4-0 and back on top of the AL East, but the probabilty of that happening is very low. We’ll win Beckett’s game because he’s having another lights out year and Lester has shown to be a strong second half pitcher (and I still think don’t think he’s reached his full potential yet). So those 2 are gonna have to carry the team. But Penny is shit he should’ve been traded at the start of the year when he was looking like a competent pitcher, Smoltz is finished he might still have some value in the Pen but he can’t start anymore, and Clay might have some upside to him but until he reaches that potential he’s painful to watch.
by sonicdeathmonkey on Aug 6, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
A bit too much information...
I’ve said this several times – Smoltz has been having some bad luck. His results are not matching up with his process, and we can expect him to start looking better soon. That said, if we have pitchers who can go 6-7IP, I’m not opposed to moving him to the pen, where he can throw everything out there and not worry about batters seeing all his stuff in one AB.
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10-2 its gonna be split 2-2 … smoltz we can handle , becketts gonna kill us (as he does), you guys will destroy pettite ( please dont steal home again.) … and then cc vs bucholz? … i gotta give it to cc , but then again , im biased.
For a MFY fan....
…a pretty respectful response in a Sox thread and a pretty good assessment of the series.
OMG DOWN IS THE NEW UP!! :P
Man I love that tuna casserole.
i have no confidence in this team
getting swept in the bronx would not surprise me. GET RID OF JASON FRIEKEN VARITEK! that love affair needs to end – he’s done.
WTF
Weird person to take your frustrations out on. It’s not like the SBs are the reason we gave up 4 homers. And he’s actually been an above average bat this year.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 6, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He can only throw out about 1 in 10 stealers now!
His career average was 24%, but not now. I’d say that made for a big drawback when almost ev ry walk or single is automatically given scoring position status!
by NG on Aug 6, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, they scored 6 runs on 4 home runs
Including 2 2 run homers.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 6, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Look a bit farther ahead than one game maybe.
If he can only throw 1 in 10 guys out, so almost all singles get a pass into scoring position, it should not take too much imagination to see where that leads.
by NG on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Tek has been bad at throwing out runners
But the pitchers are responsible for holding runners on. Penny has never been good at holding runners. Wakefield has always been easy to run on. This year, Tek has thrown out 9% of runners with Penny on the mound and 12.5% with Wake. In contrast, Jon Lester has a very good move and holds runners well. Tek has thrown out 30% of potential basestealers when Lester is pitching. Smoltz is also good at holding runners. In 7 starts, the oppoistion has only stolen once.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 6, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Tek was catching Wake?
It’s always good to read OTM, ’cause I thought it was Kottaras!
Thx for clarifing this to me!
"Swing and a ground ball, stabbed by Foulke. He has it. He underhands to first. And the Boston Red Sox are the World Champions! For the first time in 86 years, the Red Sox have won baseball's World Championship!"
by bloodysock04 on Aug 6, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My mistake
But, Kottaras can’t throw anyone out either. The point was that most runners steal off the pitcher, not the catcher. A good throwing catcher can make a slight difference. But, if the runners are getting good jumps, it really doesn’t matter who is behind the plate.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 6, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So what is the league average for catchers now?
I looked up Yogo Berra, and he threw out like 47% or more. You are good with stat tables. Can you find one that lists the top current catchers and what their % of throwing out stealers might be.
Many around here are good at trying to make excuses for guys like Tek, but meanwhile the team cannot stop runners from automatically getting into scoring position from walks and singles which I would have to say puts a big damper in ones ability to win ballgames!
by NG on Aug 6, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This one is for you NG
You keep tellin’ us how this current team reminds you of the 2006 Red Sox. To answer you, let me quote a poster from soxprospects.com:
For (expletive possesive) sake! You people need get more sunlight in your lives or something. You’re “reminded of 2006?”
Really? Would that be because tonight Jason Johnson will be followed out of the pen by Kyle Snyder and Rudy Seanez? Or maybe it’s because Jon Lester will last only 3.2 and give up seven earned? No, wait, has to be because the catching duties will split between the warmed-over corpse of Doug Mirabelli and the already rigormortis-striked Javy Lopez (who’ll be batting 5th).
You people do realize that in 2006, a spot in the bullpen was occupied by Jermaine Van Buren, right? And he actually pitched in the so-called Massacre II? This season is nothing like 2006. After the Yankee series, the Red Sox don’t go out west for a nine game road trip. The best catcher on the team isn’t on the shelf. Lester 2009 is not Lester 2006, Beckett 2009 is not Beckett 2006. Buchholz > Jason Johnson anyway you slice it. At the deadline in 2006, Theo did nothing and the Yankees got Abreu. This year we made the big move and the Yankees got… come on, guys. Seriously, stop.
"Swing and a ground ball, stabbed by Foulke. He has it. He underhands to first. And the Boston Red Sox are the World Champions! For the first time in 86 years, the Red Sox have won baseball's World Championship!"
Good job, bloody.
Might want to keep that bookmarked, NG.
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25% of basestealers have been caught in the AL so far, 29% in the NL
Who really cares that Yogi Berra threw out 49% of potential stealers when he played? The game was very different then. Teams ran far less in the 1940s and early 50s, and many more were caught. In 1947 only 665 steals were attempted in the AL (compared to 1,401 so far this year). 45% of players trying to steal were thrown out. The same percentage of runners were caught in the AL in 1950. AL players only attempted 509 steals in 1950. Today’s game is more athletic and the players are bigger, stronger, and faster.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 6, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Here ya go NG:
Link
Click on the headers to change how they’re sorted – I’d recommend that you check out the “WP+PB/G” column. Seems to me that the trade off is arm for reaction time. I think I’ll take Tek stopping only 1/10 steal attempts (THT doesn’t include pickoffs for some reason) than having him allowing the ball to get away from him with runners on once every 2-3 games.
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So Tek is the worst listed at 8.8%
That’s not a good thing.
by NG on Aug 6, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A better option is not readily available.
And by better, I do not mean a guy who can throw out maybe 1 more runner per 10 attempts, while giving up far more PBs and WPs, not framing pitches nearly as well, calling an inferior game, etc.
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by bdalebs on Aug 6, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now it's 14%.
And many of those are coming from facing some of the fastest runners in the league while catching some of the slowest pitchers.
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Seriously
If the Sox win tonight, the MFY are going to crumble. Damage to the Pysche!
Ian Browne aspires to be like me.
I'm not so sure.
They get paid to forget their struggles and play hard every game.
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Hey!!
Hate on the MFY with me for a minute. Let’s be yahoos! I want Joba to hit Youk, and then have youk throw the bat at him in the next at-bat OR have the ghost of Gerald Henderson drop on him from above. Woot! Down goes the Yanks!!!
Ian Browne aspires to be like me.
I wouldn't mind Youk getting hit...
Provided he doesn’t get injured by it. This team needs a spark.
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i guess i'm thinking "split" too
After watching Smoltz struggle against light-hitting lineups I’m not looking forward to what he does against a team that’s hitting the crap out of the ball these days. And I don’t have high hopes for the Clay-CC duel on Saturday. But unless Beckett or Lester have off nights the other two games look very winnable.
More casual than the average fan.
by baseball conspiracy theories on Aug 6, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the support.
Good to see we haven’t become the biggest villain in everyone’s eyes.
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Game 1: Smoltz vs Chamberlain
Game 2: Beckett vs Burnett
Game 3: Buchholz vs Sabathia
Game 4: Lester vs Pettite
We “should” win the last one and we have a good shot at winning Game 2. In Game 1 we need to be patient and work the count so Joba exits early then i think we have a good shot, somehow i have a good feeling of Smoltz turning it around.
Game 3 is a daygame after a nightgame. I really really hope Buch gets caught by Tek, cause i feel he needs consistency and someone experienced behind the plate. Last 3 starts he got caught by 3 different Catchers: Varitek, Kottaras and Martinez. The kid has the stuff, he needs some guidance on the mound, someone good at handling pitchers so Tek has to catch him in my opinion. Kinda dont like the way Buch got handled by Tito so far.
by German Red Sox Fan on Aug 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
It's possible they'll have Martinez behind the plate for Game 2.
But almost certainly it’ll be game 3. Buch will have to stick with the rotation. At least it’ll be his 2nd night with VMart straight.
Actually, VMart calls an alright game. And since Buck shakes off Tek so much as is.
The best Boston can hope for is 2-2
Game 1 and 3 are locks for the Yanks. Smoltz and Bucholz are gonna get smoked.
Game 2 is not a given for the Sox. Yes Beckett is having a Cy Young type of year but, before Burnett’s last game, he’s been on fire over the last month.
This is not the same Yankees from earlier this year. The bullpen problems have been fixed and A-Rod is back which has made Texeira a weapon to wreckon with.
Personally, i’m expecting a 1-3 trip this series with the way the Sox have been pitching and batting lately.
My $$$ will be on the Yanks. Especially tonight and Saturday.
+1
That said, I’d be very happy with a split (even though I want the Sox to sweep them).
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 6, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
A lock is a sports gambler's term for "go all in".
Which also means closest thing to a sure bet.
Since i’m a sports gambler, that’s the term i use. Tonight and Saturday are “Locks” for the Yanks.
How are you going to exchange the cash?
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Problem is neither of you have your emails listed...
And I doubt you want your PayPal account available to the general public.
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Say, Freddyd, you want to do an icon bet?
Whoever loses Game 1 has to change his icon to something of the winner’s choice. I’m willing to bet Smoltz helps the Sox win tonight.
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You're on! I've lost enough money because of Smoltz time for him to give it back! lol
P.S:
I have always been intrigued by your “Minnesota Viking?” helmet but was always afraid to ask? What is that by the way?
It's a flipped Vikings logo on a helmet...
Horn points forward, like a bull. It’s a helmet concept for my high school. Of course, I now cede to your will. What will my icon be for the next 3 days?
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On a side note:
Have mercy, I’m a fellow Gator – no Stillers’ logos, please.
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Oh, crap, I just remembered.
I might not be on much this weekend, as I’ll be traveling. I’ll keep the icon till next weekend then.
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