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Victor Martinez: 'I would want to stay' in Boston

The good news is, we like you, Victor, and apparently you like us, too:

Speaking before Thursday night's loss to the White Sox, Red Sox catcher/first baseman Victor Martinez said he would welcome the chance to talk about a contract extension with the Sox. The Red Sox hold a team option on Martinez for the 2010 season worth $7.5 million. "Who wouldn’t want to play here in Boston? It’s up to them, but from my side, I would want to stay here... Hopefully they want to do something. I would be more than happy to sit down and talk."

Sounds about right. After being here for a few weeks last season, Jason Bay had similar remarks about playing in Boston.

I'll say it right now: I'd like to see the Sox pick up V-Mart's 2010 option and re-sign Jason Bay. I know I'm opening up the "Matt Holliday v. Jason Bay" debate right now, but it's one that won't die down until one of them has a contract for 2010 in place.

So what's the Red Sox's biggest priority in the offseason, at this point? Bringing back V-Mart with the club option or re-signing our left fielder or bringing in a new left fielder?

Poll
When it comes to position players, what's the most important thing for the Red Sox to do this offseason?
Bring back Victor Martinez using the club option
382 votes
Re-signing Jason Bay
287 votes
Finding a replacement for Jason Bay in left field
36 votes
Other (give me a moment while I put my thoughts in the comments!)
29 votes

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Moment up!

I now declare that “position players” includes pitchers. My comment is get 2 GREAT AND YOUNGISH (under 40) AND RELIABLE starting pitchers.

by NG on Aug 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed that we should get atleast one

2 would be pretty expensive and then we wouldn’t be able to sign other players to extensions.

by drabidea on Aug 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here are your 2010 FA SPs

Who do you want, and how much should the Sox pay?

Brandon Backe HOU
Miguel Batista SEA
Josh Beckett * BOS
Erik Bedard SEA
Daniel Cabrera WAS
Bartolo Colon CWS
Jose Contreras CWS
Doug Davis ARZ
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Adam Eaton BAL
Kelvim Escobar LAA
Jon Garland * ARZ
Tom Glavine ATL
Mike Hampton HOU
Rich Harden CHC
Tim Hudson * ATL
Randy Johnson SF
John Lackey LAA
Cliff Lee * CLE
Braden Looper * MIL
Jason Marquis CHC
Kevin Millwood * TEX
Brett Myers PHI
Vicente Padilla * TEX
Carl Pavano CLE
Brad Penny BOS
Odalis Perez WAS
Andy Pettitte NYY
Joel Pineiro STL
Sidney Ponson KC
Jason Schmidt LAD
John Smoltz BOS
Jarrod Washburn SEA
Brandon Webb * ARZ
Todd Wellemeyer STL

(* has option for 2010)

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh!

Brad Penny is available!

He could be a good low-risk, high-reward kind of guy…

by Randy Booth on Aug 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

how 'bout

Brad Penny. Hear he almost won the Cy Young a few years ago. Smoltz has a Cy, so maybe him too.

The only guy on there who is not in an option year, or ancient, or an overwhelmingly enormous injury risk, or a one year wonder, or shitty is Lackey. Probably expensive, will get a big offer from LAA, and I can’t stand him.

by Buzzy on Aug 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's see...

Sheets, Duchsherer, and Webb all have pitched little to none this year, and Bedard had major surgery not too long ago.

Lackey’s had “lingering” health problems at the start of the past two seasons, plus he hates Fenway and will get more than he’s worth.

Harden probably has the best stuff out the Big Names, but it’s a miracle if he gives you more than 6 innings per start or more than 15 starts in a season. Marquis is a decent arm I guess, but he and Pineiro will get more than they’re worth as well.

Sadly, a trade might be the best bet this year.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Aug 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vincete Padilla!!!

Then, we could bring back Vin Baker to the Celtics too. Horrible, horrible, horrible decisions for the onfield product, but how utterly, mind-blowingly fantastic would the inevitable reality-TV series of those two staggering around Boston wasted be?

Vincete & Vin: Binging in Beantown”That would be damn fine television.

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn’t Randy Wolf (LAD) be on that list?

by Toxicadam on Aug 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of those options are terrible

Literally not a single one of them is good. They are all shitty players or injury concerns. The only two people I might look at would be Sheets and Webb on 1 year deals.

by Gnick on Aug 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't you go after other pitchers even if not FA.

How did the Angels get Kasmir?? Why can’t we get the likes of him?

by NG on Aug 28, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could have had Kazmir.

But he has been worse than just about all of the Sox pitchers.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 29, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

The main plus would be...

…that he couldn’t then pull his occasional Cy Young imitation against us…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 29, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would prefer...

Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Buch and Tim Wakefield’s Victory Lap Retirement Tour Extravaganza, please.

Oh wait, we already have those guys…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this

after this year, it’s time for Tek to go out to pasture

by M. Katz on Aug 28, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I would keep him

With VMart having the ability to catch Wake, we could easily keep both of them. It seems silly to pay his option and not have him on the team.

by drabidea on Aug 28, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not both?

VMart seems like a perfect fit for the sox. Sign him for a 3 or 4 year deal. He can then catch Wake until he retires and it gives us time to groom one of our catching prospects.
We can start him out with a good amount of catching time and progressively give him less time when his ability fades.

by drabidea on Aug 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

V-Mart looked fine catching Wake.

I think we’ve solved that every-5th-day black hole. I could see Victor being a very productive 1B/DH for us in future years too, when Papi is gone.

Extend V-Mart for 3 years past his option, maybe. Weigh the benefits of Bay vs. Holiday and pick up one.

I personally would elect to pass on the SP free agency market this year. There’s gonna be a lot of guys with inflated demands due to having one really good season (Wolf, Piniero, et al) and a lot of oft-injured guys (Bedard, Harden, Duchscherer, Sheets), and not much in the way of proven AL-worthy talent. I say sign Mark Prior to a minor league deal because the worst that could happen is he never sees a major league game.

If we do acquire a pitcher, I’d say it should maybe be in a trade involving Daisuke depending on how the issues between him and the organization work out.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

3 years past, but no more

I think he’d be 35 by the time the end of your proposed contract rolls around. I vote for V-Mart’s club option, but I think the Sox need to sign one of Bay and Holliday. If they whiff on both…

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Aug 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm impressed by his hitting and ability to catch Wake.

But VMart is looking like an awful catcher. In the last several games, I’ve counted three times where he made a throw to second to try to catch a runner. Three times the ball SAILED OVER PEDROIA’S GLOVE and INTO CENTER FIELD. At least once an average throw would have caught the runner. As it happens, his misthrows allowed two of the runners to advance a base. While Tek is also an atrocious thrower, he rarely lets it fly into CF.

Martinez is at best a stop-gap. Unless Theo wants to concede defense at the C position, he needs to bring in someone who is a legit catcher, not someone who plays one on TV.

We should pick up VMart’s option and back him up with someone with defensive skills. Tek should be released or traded (i.e. pick up his team option, and then give some money to an NL team to take him), he has no role on this team any more. Anything Tek does, VMart does better, including play terrible defense. Then we make a move for a good catching prospect or the FO plays one of our minor league catchers.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Aug 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yo, guys.

It’s not V-Mart’s fault that someone moved 2nd base in 7 feet.

Man I love that tuna casserole.

by Bloggy on Aug 28, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's about time...

…seriously. When are they gonna install that tramampoline behind the bag at second so L’il Dusty can reach those throws?

Man I love that tuna casserole.

by Bloggy on Aug 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other brief offseason thoughts

Harden is pretty awesome, and we have the depth to sustain us if he goes down. I’d pass on the other pitchers USG mentioned.

In re: J-Bay v. Holliday, ideally the pick is Holliday. He plays better defense while swinging a comparable bat to Bay. In practice, the pick is whichever of these guys the Yankees don’t sign. If the Yankees are smart, they sign Holliday.

The Sox also need to think seriously about SS. Lowrie is looking a lot more like Kerry Wood than a SS-playing Dustin Pedroia (which is what he was billed as). Maybe he’ll recover, but this season has been setback after setback. Even if he does return, how good will he really be after playing surgical test dummy for the past year. So unless Nick Green / Jed Lowrie is the future, Theo should look into getting a new shortstop.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Aug 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

AGon

I have a feeling Theo will excersize his option for next year. Not a huge fan of the idea but it is better then Green/Lowrie.

by drabidea on Aug 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

really doubt it.

We could let him become a FA and then sign him for 1/4 of the option.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 28, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bay seems like he has more power, but Holliday is a better overall player

I don’t know, Holliday has the Boras factor as well, but I just don’t like Bay’s chances to stay in LF 3, 4 years down the line compared to Holliday

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Aug 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Holliday

does seem like the better overall player. Still, I am somewhat concerned by the use of UZR here. How did Bay go from being a slightly below average fielder by UZR until the end of 06 to a downright horrible one? Was it his knee injury? He seems to move fine on the bases. I don’t get it.

by Buzzy on Aug 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Could be partly it.

Keep in mind some people think the Green Monster skews UZR ratings, so that might have a slightly magnifying effect on his negative play, but I still think he lacks range, even for a left fielder.

Question: Does Holliday’s UZR rating only reflect his play in terms of other LFers? Meaning, is he probably a below-average fielder but UZR rates him as positive because he’s being compared to guys like Dunn, Bay, and Manny? I’m too lazy to look that up myself.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Aug 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The mystery of Bay

is that he had an awful UZR year for the Bucs the year before he came to the Sox. That after 4 or so decent but below average years.

by Buzzy on Aug 28, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

For clarity, the Monster definitely screws with UZR.

The data that is used to compile UZR doesn’t differentiate between a wall ball and a line drive that lands in the same spot.

And yes, UZR is broken down by position.

by bdalebs on Aug 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

but the weird thing about Bay was he fell off the UZR-cliff the year before coming to Fenway…

by Buzzy on Aug 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Pittsburgh have a big wall at PNC?

And he was coming off injury, right? Maybe he overcompensated for his lowered range by playing deeper.

by bdalebs on Aug 29, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Soxs maybe eyeing Joe Mauer who is a FA in 2011.

They could pick up Vmarts 2010 opinion, and make a run at Mauer in 2011.

by ruktuim on Aug 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

My "OTHER" vote...

I am really liking what I’m seeing from VicMar so far (his Mr. No-Depth-Perception impersonation when it comes to throwing out base stealers notwithstanding…and people say that a walk becomes a double when ‘Tek is behind the plate…walk becomes a triple??). And I was one of the ones who jumped on board with the whole "don’t trade for V-Mart" thing that was goin’ on around here. I also think he is having a very positive effect on Ortiz…he seems to loosen him up a great deal, which is a good thing. He’s only been around a few weeks, though, so I’m not ready to sign off on him yet. I’m liking him…but I’d have to give him til the end of the season before I say with 100% certainty to wrap him up.

Bay? Bay was fantastic when he first came over in the Great Manny Fiasco of 2008 and in the first part of this year…but since then hasn’t been phenomenal. As such, I’m definitely not will to say that we must re-sign him. I’d like to have him…but it would have to be based on finances. If he wants an assload of cash, he can try to get it from the Cubs or something.

I think Holliday would be a good fit…maybe Boras will choke on a turkey bone at Thanksgiving….

Man I love that tuna casserole.

by Bloggy on Aug 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

He slumped bad during June and July

But he’s kicking ass this month and still has the season production numbers.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

True...

But he’s not a “must re-sign” for me. For a reasonable contract (or even slightly above that), I’d be happy to have him back.

Man I love that tuna casserole.

by Bloggy on Aug 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think ability to be the 2nd catcher makes him a must sign.

You waste a roster spot with a 2nd catcher, with VMart you have an all star caliber C as a back up. Imagine if the Sox do get Mauer in FA, having VMart catch Wake and play 1st would be a very nice advantage.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 28, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about Bay...

…but you make a great point about Vic.

Man I love that tuna casserole.

by Bloggy on Aug 28, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all about Holliday.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 28, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

So are the Yankees, Cardinals, Cubs....

Holliday is going to cost A LOT of money to get.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I was a betting man

I would bet that Theo will be going full throttle for King Felix in the off season. Especially if Felix balks at the idea for a Seattle extension.

GMs saw what happened with Haladay and Santana and if Felix looks like he does not want to stay in Seattle, he will be moved.

Here is an odd idea, why not package Dice-K with prospects to Seattle for Felix? Dice-K is relatively cheap, the part of ownership is Japanese, Jojima is his catcher and his boy Ichiro is on the team.

VMart is fine, why not sign him up for a few more years. He can play 1st and be the 2nd catcher. Sounds good to me.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

is this even a question?

They need to resign bay first and formost, then they need to go after King Felix, depending on how much that costs sign Victor or do a trade with the Rangers for Tyler Teagarden. The sox not getting him in the off season cost them dearly because then they needed to trade for Martinez instead of getting rid of jd drew and some pitchers for Matt Holiday but either way they need both Bay and Martinez to start next season if they do anything this off season.

by Redsox32 on Aug 28, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Ima educate you.
  1. Bay v. Holliday is going to be debated to death, and far past it, later this season and offseason. Can we wait till then please? Esp. because we don’t know how much either would cost and who’s going after who.
  2. King Felix would literally be a HUGE deal – we’d be prevented from going after anyone else if we give Seattle anywhere near what they’re looking for.
  3. Sure, extend Vic – not for anything more than 3 years though, since I’d rather not have another “old guy” on the team in a few years. And the deal would not be for him to the be the starting catcher for any extended period of time, so he’s not going to worth any huge salary.
  4. Taylor Teagarden is going to cost a lot to acquire, if we choose to go after him. They were asking for at least Buch, IIRC, this offseason. Also, getting him for this season would likely have hurt us, given how horribly he’s played.
  5. Drew is a VERY good player. This is not debatable, it is not a matter of opinion. He’s a very patient, powerful bat, he’s got good speed and a great glove+arm. If you think we should “get rid” of him, then you would likely have thought the Murderer’s Row lineup was average.
  6. We do not NEED to do any sort of deal with Bay or Martinez – there are cheaper options who can replace Bay’s production and Vic’s already locked up for next year with the team option.

by bdalebs on Aug 29, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 29, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Off-season 09

First and foremost, the Red Sox need to make sure they re-sign Jason Bay. No one can replace Manny Ramirez but Jason Bay sure has come close to replacing him. Ever since he got to Boston all he has done is bat specially in clutch situations. Next, I believe if it came between Varitek and Martinez, I would rather have Victor Martinez resigned than Varitek because a better hitter is always essential in a lineup. Because the Red Sox are in the AL East And they have to compete with teams like the Yankees the Ray and so on. They need a strong lineup so compete in the AL east

by REDSOX09 on Sep 2, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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