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The MVP award better not go to Mark Teixeira


Coming from a Red Sox fan alot of people are going to think this is biased, however, there is logic behind my madness. There is good reason to believe that not only should Teixeira NOT get the award, but he shouldn't even be in the running for the award.

We all know that the writer's association gets this award totally bass ackwards most of the time. Joe Mauer is the clear winner of this award. He will not get it though because he plays for a bad team. I can agree with this to an extent but Mauer is having a year of the ages, possibly the best year EVER by a catcher. You could even make the argument that he is more valuable then Pujols because he plays a much harder position and is putting up almost as good of offensive numbers.

Could the Writer's Association give the award to someone else if Mauer batted .400?

Ok, so Mauer is probably out. Why not Teixeira? He is the best player on the best team. Wait......Isn't Derek Jeter on that team? Derek Jeter is hitting a line of .330/.394/.471/.865 good for a wOBA of .384. Very good numbers but are they better then Mark Teixeira? Teixeira is hitting a line of .283/.382/.553/.934 good for a wOBA of .397. It does seem that Teixeira is hitting much better then Jeter.

Then of course we have to take into consideration that Jeter plays the second hardest position on the field well above average (UZR of 5.6) and Teixeira plays average defense at the easiest position on the field (UZR of -0.8). This more then makes up for for his slight difference in hitting.

Wait........WE LOVE THE HR BALL!!!!! Oh yeah, the argument that fans love the HRs. Jeter just can't put up the same as Teixeira. Well Jeter is out then too. Well there are alot of good HR hitting 1B like Teixeira in the AL, lets look at some of them.

Kevin Youkilis has hit a line of .310/.424/.563/.987 good for a wOBA of .421. Youkilis has been a force at the plate when healthy. However, the time he missed as killed him and only has 20 HR to date because of it. Even though he has played better defense (and multiple positions) then Mark Teixeira, he will not get the respect he deserves because he only 20 HR compared to Teix's 30 HR. Besides.........Youk is a Red Sox player of course I would pick him.

Miguel Cabrera has hit a line of .334/.400/.552/.952 good for a wOBA of .406. He also has 24 HRs and plays average defense (UZR of 0.8). He also belongs to a winning ball club. He plays the same position as Teixeira and plays for a team that is leading their respective division. Did I also mention he has hit the ball better and fielded the ball better then Teixeira?

Poll
Who should the MVP award go to?
Joe Mauer (6.5 WAR)
94 votes
Derek Jeter (5.2 WAR)
39 votes
Kevin Youkilis (4.4 WAR)
17 votes
Mark Teixeira (3.8 WAR)
52 votes
Yankee Stadium RF Jet Stream (15 WAR and counting)
28 votes

230 votes | Poll has closed

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Heh.

50-50 Mauer/Tek. Didn’t realize I’d be the second voter… Whoops…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 19, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Mauer is the obvious choice.

But Ben Zobrist also deserves mention

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 19, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mauer is the best choice

But re: the question of if the writers could vote someone else MVP if he hit .400, just consider that Ted Williams was denied MVP the year he hit .400. And also both years he won the Triple Crown. So yeah, the writers have made even dumber calls than not giving Mauer the MVP this year if he hits .400 (which he won’t do), so you can bet on him not getting it.

by RSNexile on Aug 19, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Neither did Barry Bonds

Bonds was worse. And he won 7. Which just goes to show you that the writers are as unpredictable as they are ignorant.

by RSNexile on Aug 19, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

Maybe they’ve grown thicker skins.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More that they can't get away with it as easily now-a-days.

People will call them out big time if they overlook someone winning the triple crown/hitting .400

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 20, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atleast it went to DiMaggio

the year Williams hit .400 was the same year DiMaggio had the 56 game hit streak. I still think Williams should have had it but it did go to someone worthy of it.

by drabidea on Aug 20, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

When complaining about Williams not winning the MVP while hitting .400, we need to consider who the competition was.

(I don’t see any Joe DiMaggio out there this year.)

by RickD on Aug 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see anything great about Teixeira:

.284 BA? .382 OBP? .559 SLG? Youkilis has better all around numbers than this guy. The only reason he’s getting mention is because he was one of the biggest trades of the off-season to the team with the highest payroll. There’s nothing stunning about his numbers and he deserves it no more than Youkilis or even Jeter. Mauer is the true winner of this award but Teixeira’s name shouldn’t even be mentioned here.

by t.williams9 on Aug 19, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the reason is more

The Yankees didn’t make the playoffs last year -——————- acquired Texeira in free agency -——————————— on pace to make the playoffs this year.

Of course there are a lot of things that happened in between, including: CC, Burnett, Jeter, Damon, New Yankees stadium, Melky, etc.

Thanks

by vivaelpujols on Aug 22, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Youk couldn't hold

Tex’s jock. (But he’d try)

by rosebud on Aug 20, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

Youkilis: .310/.424/.563, .421 wOBA, 11.9 UZR/150 at 1st, 31 RAR offensively, 2.7 RAR defensively, and 4.4 WAR overall
Teixeira: .283/.382/.553, .397 wOBA, -.8 UZR/150 at 1st, 30.1 RAR offensively, -.8 RAR defensively, lower replacement value playing only first, 3.8 WAR overall.

The only thing Teix has over Youk, really, is plate appearances. And Youkilis has managed to outproduce him in 100 less.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 20, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...

…Youk costs like $ 14MM less. So one of the standard definitions of value is right out the window…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 20, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Don’t you need testicles to have a jockstrap??

Sorry to feed the trolls but it was set up so nicely

by drabidea on Aug 20, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why he can't hold it.

It doesn’t exist. Now, if Youk saw the Golden Thong, all bets are off.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a yankee fan

i would love Jeter to get the MVP, but i guess it should go to the most valuable player, so i say give it to Mauer. He is just a beast. The only thing I have an argument is with Tex’s D. His UZR is somehow negative, but he plays some of the best first base around.

by yankeechaser on Aug 20, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UZR is a tricky beast

If a player doesn’t the balls that are hard to get hit towards him, his UZR will drop.

by drabidea on Aug 20, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This...

And other issues – check today’s Laundry for a bunch of links about UZR’s reliability.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is Mauer definitely

If the offense is much better and one is a catcher, it should be no question. A catcher should win the award with 80% of the offense of a first baseman. Teixiara is about the 3rd best offensive first baseman and is slightly below average defensively by all defensive metrics besides the New York media “eye test.”

1)Mauer
2) Cabrera
3) Youk

With Youk able to move up to second if he continues on pace while still playing well at 1st and 3rd.

by BigRedDog42 on Aug 20, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Teixeira is slightly below average defensively?

dude, come on! He’s a beast at first base. Yes, I’m a Yankees fan. I’ve watched him all year. He saves us runs EVERY SINGLE GAME with his astounding defense. He’s made one error all season, and his fielding percentage is .999. I will be shocked if he doesn’t win the Gold Glove, because if you watch him every day, you will know that he may be the best defensive first baseman in baseball. How is he below average?

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 24, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's played slightly below average:

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1281&position=1b#fielding
-0.4 UZR for this year, which means he’s cost you 0.4 runs that would have been saved by an average fielder.

DO NOT USE ERRORS, OR FIELDING PERCENTAGE – Errors are decided by idiotic scorers who think a player did not make a bad play if he didn’t touch the ball and that if they drop a ball while diving it’s a bad play. Fielding percentage is just errors/chances, which are also at the mercy of the scorer to decide.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is that decided anyway?

because I have no idea. I don’t think that fangraph thing can be trusted anymore than errors and fielding percentage can. Again, I watch him every day. He’s a terrific fielder. You guys can’t even give him credit for that?

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 24, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So my thing with the MVP is:

that it is always unclear what it rewards. We all probably think it should go to the player who helps his team the most (i.e. the leader in WAR). But many writers just think it should go to a power-hitting, “RBI guy,” on a playoff team with no adjustment for position or fielding ability. If the latter is the criteria, then Teix should win.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 21, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's gotta be Mauer

Otherwise, how could the writers be so obtuse? But seriously, hitting anywhere close to .400 is deserving of the MVP. Let’s look at it this way (and don’t shoot me for just using AVG, HR, and sample sizes:)
               AB HR HR per AB
Mauer: 370 25 14.8
Pujols: 425 39 ~10.9

Okay, yes, I know, Pujols is great, but he can’t win BOTH MVPs. Anyway, when you compare Pujols to Mauer, Pujols takes about 4 less AB per HR. By the way, Mauer has a better average by about 70 points. And he’s a catcher.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Aug 21, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no question that Mauer is by far the best player in the AL this year. But too often players are not considered if their teams are not in the playoffs.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is ridiculous IMO

The Twins are in a position (4-5 games back of the division) where Mauer’s wins are more crucial to them then Tex’s are to the Yankees, as they have a healthy lead in the division. Even going by the playoff argument returns faulty logic.

Thanks

by vivaelpujols on Aug 22, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HR per AB?

It would be quite a trick to get over 10 HR per AB.

(Indeed, getting more than 1 HR per AB would be quite a trick.)

/math pedant

by RickD on Aug 24, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin Guttierez

He’s been much more clutch than Mauer, and I believe should be considered.

Thanks

by vivaelpujols on Aug 22, 2009 6:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The MVP should go to Mauer

but to say that Tex doesn’t even deserve mention is nothing more than bias from a Red Sox fan. I mean, he’s been clutch this year. He’s played gold glove defense. He’s going to end with 40 home runs and 120 rbi, and possibly a gold glove, and you say he doesn’t deserve mention?

And I have to say, Youkilis is NOT a better first baseman than Teixeira. It’s very close. I’d say it’s a toss up between the two for their gloves. Tex has more range, and Youk can play multiple positions. It’s a toss up between the two defensively.

I have to say that if the Red Sox had gotten Teixeira, then the MVP chants would have begun for Tex at Fenway Park weeks ago. Please guys, cut the bias and give it to the guy that deserves it. That person is Mauer, but to not give Tex credit and say he doesn’t deserve mention is ridiculous.

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gold Gloves = you really trust the BBWAA to decide this? There are some really stupid writers.

Homers = yeah, they’re great. But defense and non-homer offense count too, esp. when a player doesn’t play in a very favorable stadium.
RBI = he plays in the best offensive lineup in the MLB; at least half of his PA’s have to come with someone on base.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tex does bring defense

again, don’t trust the stupid fangraph thing. Watch him. He’s a terrific first baseman. Can you name me any plays where he has actually cost us runs? He’s a great first baseman.

Now, on the homers, most of his home runs are bombs into the second deck at Yankee Stadium. He doesn’t get too many cheapies. And he brings non-homer offense. For rbi, playing in the best lineup in the majors makes him seem worse then he is? He still has to get the runners in!

Teixeira is one of the best first baseman in the majors leagues. Why do you think the Red Sox tried to get him? Why are most of you still shocked that Theo didn’t go the extra mile to get him? Because he’s that good! Is he better than Youkilis? It’s really close. Of course a Yankee fan is going to say Teixeira and a Red Sox fan is going to say Youkilis. But you guys don’t even seem to be able to admit that Teixeira is anywhere close to Youkilis! And thats really ridiculous. I, as a Yankee fan, know that Youkilis is a great player, despite how ugly he is and how nasty a temper he has. And to hear you Sox fans talking about Youk as a possible MVP award winner while Tex is a “average” first baseman is really unbelievable.

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 24, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're kidding right?

“put him on an average team and that number drops off a lot”

Texeira in Texas:
2003: .259, 26 HR, 84 RBI
2004: .281, 38 HR, 112 RBI
2005: .301, 43 HR, 144 RBI
2006: .282, 33 HR, 110 RBI

Texas record those years:
2003: 71-91
2004: 89-73
2005: 79-83
2006: 80-82
combined: 319-329 (pretty average, no?)

looks to me like he’s doing about what he’s done over his career regardless of location. being on the Yankees is pretty irrelevant.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Aug 27, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you're not getting what I'm saying here:

You don’t get RBIs when there’s not a lot of runners – which, by the way, Texas had. Their problems came in the run prevention part.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 28, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so it's Teixeira's fault

for batting in the middle of the order and being in lineups with batters that consistently get on base? gotcha. good argument.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Aug 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense

They’re not going to give him an MVP award for the defense he plays. They want a guy that HITS and plays defense, not just a great defensive first baseman.

by t.williams9 on Aug 24, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats good then

because Teixeira hits and plays defense. He’s going to get 40 home runs and 120+ rbi. Thats pretty good hitting to me.

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

side note from the MVP conversation

i haven’t heard Sox fans mention this too much but what if Theo had signed Tex? i think that if Boston didn’t low-ball Teixiera and let him walk to the Yankees, then Boston would be the team with the six-game lead right now.

sure, no one could’ve predicted that Ortiz would fall off a cliff for the first two months, but still, you put Tex in the middle of that lineup and it changes things.

it’s by far the biggest mistake of the Epstein regime.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Aug 26, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I kinda agree

But Martinez has been playing well for us lately and he can take over the C spot when Tek goes (which shouldn’t be too long). Then Youk and Lowell keep their spots and have Kotchman as the main back-up (with Ortiz consideration in the NL of course). It’s less of a logjam than if Teixiera was here, plus it gives us someone who can do everything he can at a spot we’ll need filled soon. Remeber Tek almost didn’t come back this year. I say we did pretty well.

by qthaballa on Aug 27, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh-huh.

No. They didn’t “low-ball” him, they set a price that they’d be willing to settle for, and the MFY had the chance to up any offer that Boras told them he had from another team. Wait a few years and see how the deal works out – esp. if the Sox make the playoffs this year. No big difference between the Wild Card and the Division then.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure, i'll wait a few years

by then Tex will have extended his 30+ HR/100+ RBI per season streak to 10 and the Sox will still be missing his bat in the middle of their lineup.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Aug 30, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mhm.

You keep telling yourself that.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They

never had a realistic shot at him. He used the Sox for leverage to get the best deal with the team he wanted to play for. Not a mistake by Theo. Smoltz might have been a mistake. Not putting a claim on Kazmir may have been a mistake. Not signing a player who didn’t want to play here in the first place? Not a mistake.

Ian Browne aspires to be like me.

by jkeough on Aug 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to say it

But I’d have to give it to Jeter with way he’s been playing. On another note, if VicMart keeps playing as well as he is, you can go ahead and throw his name in the mix (along with Youk).

by qthaballa on Aug 27, 2009 3:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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