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Game 112: Lowell hittin' bombs in Tazawa's win; Youk gets naughty


Final - 8.11.2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Detroit Tigers 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 7 0
Boston Red Sox 0 3 1 0 2 0 1 0 X 7 7 1
WP: Junichi Tazawa (1 - 1)
LP: Chris Lambert (0 - 1)

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You know what's nice? A complete effort. The Sox pretty much gave that tonight.

Behind a great off-the-bench effort from Mike Lowell and a solid five-inning outing from Junichi Tazawa, the Sox held on to beat the Tigers, 7-5.

Oh, and Kevin Youkilis and Terry Francona got ejected. Ya' know, just a normal day.

After a rough first inning for Tazawa (three runs, only one earned), he calmed down and finished with five innings, four hits, one earned run, two walks and he struck out six. He earned the win because the Sox somehow held on.

Speaking of somehow, Jonathan Papelbon gave up two runs in the 9th but wound up striking out the side. Figure that one out -- he's good at that. The rest of the bullpen -- including the debut of Fernando Cabrera (1H, 1K) -- was quite good. Takashi Saito and Daniel Bard worked perfect innings, with Bard K'ing two.

After Youk was ejected, Mike Lowell came in and proceeded to go 2 for 3 with two home runs, three runs and three RBIs. Not bad. Jason Bay went 2 for 4 with a 3-run home run. Jacoby Ellsbury stole his 52nd base of the season. Dustin Pedroia went 0 for 1 with three walks.

This is a nice win. Everything seemed to work -- except for Papelbon. He struggled, but that's something we've seen all season. It was nice to see a good outing from Bard and Saito, too. The best part was the offense. We saw some big home runs from Lowell and Bay and the rest of the offense filled in nicely.

But how long will that continue? Let's hope a while.

Sox continue the series on Wednesday. Armando Galarraga will go for the Tigers, while the Sox send out the ace, Josh Beckett.

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very encouraging. I didn’t see the game so it would be good to get the indepth analysis from someone, but it seemed statistically like a very good effort. 4 swinging Ks and 6 overall, and would have gone 6 if Green didn’t F-up in the first. Any guess for Youk’s suspension?

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 6:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Should be at least 5 games ...

Piazza got 5 games, later reduced to 4, for charging the mound in freaking Spring Training back in 2003.

Sexson got 6 games last year for charging the mound and throwing his helmet at the pitcher last season, both of which Youk did last night.

Frankly, Youk’s an ass, because now he’ll be suspended for a minimum of 4 games, which the Sox can’t afford at this point, especially with games against playoff contenders – Detroit, Texas, New York, and Chicago – looming for the rest of this month, other than 6 games against the Jays.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 is a fair guess

Excuse me while I try not to think about the Sox playing 3 in Texas this weekend without Youk’s bat.

More casual than the average fan.

by baseball conspiracy theories on Aug 12, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That can be averted simply by Youk

appealing the suspension. The suspension process in MLB is idiotic, mainly because the players can schedule when they serve it by appealing.

We live in the 21st century, there’s something called videochat. Perhaps MLB can get with that program?

I think what they’ll do, assuming that a suspension of 4 games is handed down prior to Friday, is have him appeal it until Sunday, then drop it, starting the suspension Sunday, and then he’ll miss the 3 games against the Jays. That way, he’s back in the lineup for the Yankee series @ Fenway.

Of course if it’s five games, he’ll have to start the suspension Saturday to ensure he plays the Yanks.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever dude

worry about your own ass players-the Yankees have a whole lot of the them. While charging the mound was stupid because it merits suspension, Youk gets thrown at-a lot. Not just hit, but thrown at. Like the way the drunk-driving meth-addict’s son does. No one is talking about intent here. Tazawa absolutely, positively did not mean to hit Miggy. It was the first inning, he had an 0-2 count, 2 men on base,the ball was on the corner of the plate and Miggy had started to swing and got caught on the hands. So what does little Ricky do? He throws at VMart. The hits the next batter with a fastball in the back. That makes sense (btw-it was the second straight night that Youk was thrown at. Not just hit, but thrown at).

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not disputing that Youk gets shaved often ...

As he’s been HBP 52 times in his 5+ seasons in the Show.

But you know what? Jeter gets shaved often as well, and gets hit more than a few times a season – 141 times in 14+ seasons.

When was the last time you saw Jeter charge the mound?

Oh, SNAP … he’s never done it.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

When was the last time Jeter was intentionally thrown at in back-to-back games?

Youk has never charged the mound before. Give him some credit for knowing what’s going on. After all, he is on the field. Also, Jeter and You have very different temperaments.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 12, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what really ruffled my feathers

Porcello throws inside at V-Mart, who barely got out of the way. Not satisfied with a near-beaning, Porcello plunks Youk.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Aug 12, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

When was the last time

you could say that Jeter was intentionally thrown at? I mean the drunk-driving meth-addict’s son alone has intentionally thrown at Youk’s head 4 times (actually three times, he threw behind Youk once). Jeter? Well he gets hit on the hands a lot, and he dives over the plate all the time. So does Youk. That accounts for the high HBPs of both players. But that is not my point. My point is INTENT. Show me all of the examples of people intentionally throwing at Jeter in the back or in the head.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, jealous much?

Drunk driving meth addict’s son? Having one of those diseases is a tough … both must be a nightmare. And because he’s got the ability to throw a baseball 95+ MPH, plus he’s a Yankee, you’re gonna denigrate his mother?

Would you call him that if he was Sox? I don’t think so. Have a little decency. Or is that too much to expect?

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got a point

Go with “asshole headhunter” or “immature douchebag”

It’s not his fault about his mother, and that doesn’t necessarily influence the fact that he attempts to injure players for no reason.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Typical Yankee Fan Hypocrite

I didn’t go over to PSA to address a question and then add unasked-for commentary about an opposing team’s player. That is so typical. You guys always love to celebrate your August championships these days by populating other team’s fan sites with arrogant blather and posts like that of “Yazgay.” It is public record; none of us go to PSA or elsewhere with this crap. You guys post more here when you are winning (and it is nearly all negative) then you did on your own site at the end of last year when there where 5 regulars and a cricket. I would have not said a thing if you had been respectful and held the last paragraph from your initial post.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

drunk driving is not a disease, genius. Alcoholism is. Drunk driving is only “tough” on the innocent victims. As the families of Leyritz’s victims.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No shit, Sherlock.

Drunk driving is not a disease … alcoholism is. My apologies for not making it clear.

I was respectful in the initial post … Youk is great player, but he’s an ass for charging the mound, which it seems that most of y’all agree with.

As for Leyritz … he’s gonna have to pay the price for what he did as determined by a court of law, not the court of Buzzy.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

that is respectful? Maybe in Yankee-fan land. We don’t go to PSA and call your players asses. Get it? I think Youk hurt the team with what he did. Thus I think it was foolish. I don’t think he is an ass.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but you call Joba

the drunk driving meth addict’s son, which ain’t respectful at all.

Perhaps I should have said Youk acted stupidly, but something tells me that you’d think I was calling him stupid.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said it

in response-all gloves off.

“but something tells me that you’d think I was calling him stupid”
No. Sorry-not even close.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you call it PSA?

After all it’s Pinstripe Alley. Shortened, it should be PA.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

for the correction, chief.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously ...

Why do you call it PSA? It’s not a typo, as you’ve used it numerous times.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

PinStripeAlley-PA seems less descriptive-could be “plate appearance” or something.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Pennysylvania.

Nice state, we don’t need to be accused of insulting it.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

because the folks that USE that site also call it PSA..

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Aug 12, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree that he's an ass.

Something needed to be done. Porcello had gone headhunting on two straight batters—the second straight night for Tiger’s pitching. You don’t stand for that as a player as much for the rest of the guys in the lineup as for yourself.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to disagree

Look, I don’t stand for headhunting in any way, shape or form but I don’t think that you can say Porcello was headhunting. That particular word is really reserved for people who really throw at or behind people’s heads. Every team has or had one or two guys that do it. Boston for a lot of years had Pedro who did it, maybe not as much as other pitchers but he still intentionally threw at the batter’s head. By the same token, the Yankees had Clemens during that same time frame who did that a lot too. I still, and this is just my opinion, think that the pitch that hit Youkilis got away from Porcello, I think the real pitch that was intentional was at Martinez and I’m just going by Porcello’s own reaction, and that pitch was more at the gut of Martinez.

by IDCWhoYouLike on Aug 12, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

why do you think that?

Just because Porcello reacted in a “surprised” way? Give me a break.
a)He threw at the batter just before.
b)His very first pitch to the first batter hit Youk-that IS when you throw at someone.
c)The pitch hit him in the numbers-it was not even close.

There is very little room for argument that Porcello was not trying to hit Youk. I agree it was not “head-hunting.”

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that because

I was looking at his body language, not just that he threw his hands up in a “surprised way,” but also because he sighed, hanged his head and looked generally upset right after the pitch was thrown. First pitch or not I really think that the pitch was unintentional, because I’m also taking into account the way he reacted after the pitch to Martinez where he stared down Martinez and then just turned away. The body language from Porcello in both cases was much different.

by IDCWhoYouLike on Aug 12, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like someone who wants to have his cake and eat it too.

“If I look like I didn’t MEAN to hit Youkilis, they won’t toss me!”

If there’s one time you can’t afford to have a pitch get away from you, it’s there. If you’re gonna throw at one of our guys on a 0-0 count following an unintentional HBP, you have to accept the consequences if your first pitch to the next guy squares him up between the numbers.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to take the scientific approach to this:

The ball never was close to being on a path to the zone:
Bird’s Eye Path
Strike Zone Plot
Movement Chart
His two-seamer’s movement is consistent with the average movement on a RHP’s two seam fastball.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus this is the AL

Pitchers have the be held responsible somehow. An occasional charging-of-the-mound is necessary from time to time.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Aug 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m no Joba fan either, but this stuff is a bit much for me. My dislike only goes as far as him throwing at people and his K-Rod-like post-strikeout celebrations.

As you might imagine, the usual trickle of f—kface troll Yankee fans on this site turned into a raging torrent over the weekend, so some folks here are a little sensitive. Assuming you’re one of the non-f—kfaces, we’re happy to talk baseball with you.

More casual than the average fan.

by baseball conspiracy theories on Aug 12, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

If one of our players was REPEATEDLY throwing 98mph at opposing batters' heads

I’d understand the anger at him, and would share it. If Joba returns to the pen and keeps pitching that way, he’ll probably kill someone or send him to the hospital.

Let’s take Papelbon. I love his production for the team (although this year it’s often been hard to watch). I get why people don’t like him – he showboats, and worst of all, he’s really good. What I don’t like is how he’s admitted the key for him is to get the biggest payday. When he jumps ship to the Yankees, I know I will absolutely despise him.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Aug 12, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me ...

We ain’t getting Papelbon. We hate him just as much as y’all hate Joba. Plus, we have better options than Papelbon in our system.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, Papelbon is doing what any MLB'er worth their salt would do ...

invoke the Yankees to drive up his price. Methinks it’s a negotiating ploy to make the Sox management give him more money.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

As much as you hated Damon? And Clemens?

The guy is a few years from FA, and he’s already oozing pinstripes. He’ll be telling reporters how proud he is to be following in the footsteps of Ruth, DiMaggio and Rivera, to be playing in historic Yankee Stadium, and to be moving to the Greatest City on Earth, two seconds before he agrees to Steinbrenner’s 10 year, $150 million contract.

And after the first few saves, Paps will be embraced by the Yankee fans just as much as Damon or Clemens. At least until his arm falls off… =D

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Aug 12, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, most of us never hated Damon ... or Clemens

Clemens was respected in NY, particularly after y’all traded him away, calling him washed up.

Damon … who can hate Johnny Damon? The man plays the game like it should be played. And he has fun doing it.

by .ryan on Aug 12, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can hate Damon

For his “I love this team, never want to leave” schtick followed shortly by signing with the Yankees.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can hate Damon

$$$$ is the only thing Damon is interested in.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 12, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We didn't trade fat Roger

He went to Toronto for more money.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 12, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeter would get snapped like a twig if he charged the mound and he knows it.

Oh, SNAP … that’s why he’s never done it!

by RSNexile on Aug 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last time I checked

The Red Sox have plenty of 3B and 1B and Mike Lowell just hit 2 hrs off the bench. I think the Sox will be able to make it through without folding the franchise.

What I would like to know is can the Yankees win a game without a late inning home run to right field in the Big Wind Vortex in the Bronx?

Seriously? How many home wins are a direct result of that terribly managed and engineered band box?

by SoxAcumen on Aug 12, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

while both teams have to play there, the Yankees have at least 7 guys that hit lefty against majority pitching: Damon, Teixiera, Matsui, Posada, Cano, Swisher, Cabrerra. Last night was the second time Posada essentally won a game with a shot that hit the foam padding on the top of the wall about 315 feet away. I guess the Sox benefit from Fenway, but the fact is that even for RHB Fenway is essentially homer neutral (not hitting neutral) for even RHB. Makes it a bit harder for the back-to-back late inning magic.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes the yankees field is a kind of home run heaven

but both teams are playing in the same ballpark and its called home field advantage for a reasonn you cant get mad at a team for having that. Now the yankees want to fix that and make it a little less homer happy but the red soxs played their too and lost their. Pedroia got his first oppostie field hoem run there. The yankees have shown both home and away they can win ball games late with or with out the long ball. They even have won them at home with out the long ball or hitting it to right field. And also as i recall A-Rod killed a ball to deep left. That was a game winning shot and it was late in the ball game and also it wasnt to right so again thats not the only way they win games. And the RED SOXS LOST SWEEEEP

by Nick C on Aug 12, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is mad about it?

we are not mad-we just think it is a joke. BTW-how many game have the Yankees won late on the road?

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

both teams have been hot since the AS break, and are playing well both at home and on the road. Just 3 weeks ago the Sox and the Yankees has basically identical road records. These things go up and down.

The Yankees have won a crapload of late close games. Just recently they won 4 straight 2-1 games, and they have 10+ wins coming from heroics from the 8th on. That is good for them, I certainly wish the Sox did. But those kind of things are hard to rely on.

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean the Angels? the team that owns the Yankees...

and the team that cannot beat the Red Sox in a Playoff series?

To be honest, all sparing aside, I do believe that Yankee Stadium is one of the most critical parts to the 2009 playoffs. IF the Yankees have the best record, they play Detroit or the White Sox and have home field advantage, which benefits them greatly. IF the Red Sox win the division, they would send NY to Anaheim a thought that would bring exclamations of glee to Red Sox and Angel fans while making NY fans cry in their drinks.

The last thing anyone wants is that stadium and its terrible engineering factoring into the playoffs, but unfortunately it will.

I am curious to see how NY plays in Fenway, when they cannot rely of Damon hitting a blooper to left field to win in the 8th. If the Yankees do not win 2 or the 3, I think much of the Yankees success can be attributed to the stadium. But this will depend on who is pitching as well.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 12, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

today

was another one-Yankees win 4-3 in 11 even though they were out hit 2-1. Definitely going well that way new. Even Chad Gaudin got into the mix…

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it wasnt a home run to right a nice solid double to left

the yankees can win any where and so can the red soxs it just right now they have the better road record to show for it a winning road record. Home field advantage would mean alot for any team even the yankees and angles i will admit though the series would be very though if the yankees had to go to the angles for the first round thats why they will win the divison they have never lost it with a lead this big this late into the season. So far i will say

by Nick C on Aug 12, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I can make out of this jumbled mass of words (puncuation is your friend, Nick)...

You realize that this isn’t the MFY and Sox of old, right? Different players, different stadiums, etc.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry i dont add puncuations still my point is still the same

This playoffs and the weeks leading to it will be good but dont look for the yankees to lose their spot with how the red soxs have been playing lately right now when it matters most

by Nick C on Aug 12, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that, but I was just intrigued...

by you saying that the Yankees had a history of not choking, particularly because that really has no impact on THIS season.

And please consider adding punctuation – it makes the point easier to pick up.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fenway Park....the perfectly engineered ballpark

Come on. Bucky Dent’s HR goes foul in every other park in the country. The “fence” in RF? The RF pole is named after the power-house Pesky? If any fanbase is going to comment on the ballpark, it should not be the Fenway faithful.

by JustinTuckRule on Aug 12, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one said Fenway was perfect.

It’s been around for a lot longer and was designed the way it was out of necessity.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

rarely do guys bend it around Pesky’s pole. I doubt that it increases the HR totals by a significant amount. Fenway is generally a below-average HR park. Yankee Stadium, on the other hand, is one of the best HR parks in the league.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 13, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I don't watch enough sox games but....

everytime you talk about Fenway, it’s always “you can’t score enough runs there. etc. etc” The Yankees didn’t sit around in Frankenstein’s lab trying to figure out how to make a wind tunnel. They took the dimensions of the old stadium (which was engineered for a strong lefty bat) and added a lot more signage in the center field section. Was at the game yesterday and the ball flies to right.

I know we hate each other, but when Sox fans bash the new stadium for being a bandbox, it makes you look ignorant. Imagine I was bashing Ortiz and Manny’s steroid use while wearing my Andy Petite jersey.

by JustinTuckRule on Aug 13, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If your excuse is "We didn't MEAN to make it a wind tunnel"

Isn’t that all the much worse, given the exorbitant spending? That’s the knock against it.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 13, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Big Dig

Exorbitant spending doesn’t mean Smart Spending

by JustinTuckRule on Aug 14, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fenway is definitely a hitter's park,

but it is not a HR park. If I remember right, Fenway produces many, many more doubles than most parks. There are also other factors to take into consideration. One is the total lack of foul territory in Fenway, so the chances of foul outs are limited. So yes, teams score many runs in Fenway, but they do not hit many HRs.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 13, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can look at park factors once the season is done.

Fenway’s not very homer friendly: StatCorner has it’s HR/FB park factor at 92.5, which means it gives up 7.5% less homers on fly balls than an average park.

Of course, they don’t have the New Yankee Stadium data yet because there hasn’t been a season played there yet.

by bdalebs on Aug 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Any Bull Durham reference gets a +1 and a rec from me.

by Randy Booth on Aug 12, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Aug 12, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

For what is usually the mandatory 3rd and “greening” rec, but is now just overkill on OTM. :\

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youk has a temper

But more to the point, he’s probably getting damn tired of getting plunked. He’s been hit more than just about any other player in the game the last four years, and after a while, I’m sure it gets to you.

Not to mention this is his third plunking in the back so far THIS SEASON, and the last time he got hit there, he had to go on the DL.

Not condoning his behavior—it was stupid—but I can also understand that maybe he hit his breaking point.

by lone1c on Aug 12, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

I also don’t condone what Youk did. But he was intentionally hit in back-to-back games. His reaction is understandable, especially since he gets hit a lot and thrown at a lot.

On Monday, Penny hit Cabrera with the first pitch in the 4th. I think Penny was just trying to pitch inside. It’s hard to see intent there. Jackson retaliated by hitting Youk in the bottom half of the inning. Detroit showed that they’ll protect their best hitter. I have no problem with that. Even though I don’t think that Penny meant to hit Cabrera, there was enough room for doubt.

There is absolutely no way Tazawa was throwing at Cabrera. The Tigers had two men on and Cabrera was down 0-2. Tazawa’s pitch wasn’t that far inside and came pretty close to hitting the knob of the bat. Detroit overreacted. Porcello clearly threw at VMart in the bottom of the 1st. That should have been the end of it. It is very clear that Porcello intentionally threw at Youk, hitting him with the first pitch of the 2nd. Porcello (or Leyland) instigated the brawl by hitting the same player on back-to-back nights. Whatever there reasons, it cost them a game in a tight race. Well done, Tigers!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 12, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tigers fan reaction

These situations always seem to escalate, especially when players continually get plunked (which both Sox and Tigers hitters have been lately). Our best hitter, Miguel Cabrera, was hit for the third time in four games. After seeing him leave the game, Porcello clearly chose to vent his frustration by throwing at Martinez and then at Youkilis. Did it cost us the game? Maybe… Sox have owned us recently and removing the most potent bat in the lineup makes it even more difficult to win at Fenway. I think lone1c said it best that Youkilis “hit his breaking point.” Couldn’t you say the same for Porcello? Regardless, we probably won’t see any HBPs the final two games.

by TMadison25 on Aug 12, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 12, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still disagree

Because you can’t equate an intentional HBP with an unintentional.

Porcello may well have reached his breaking point, but it’s ridiculous to do so on a pitch which grabs a guy’s hand mid-swing.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Understandable

But, if Pedroia takes three unintentional pitches off his hands/wrists in four games, would you be this upset if Beckett/Wakefield/Bucholz/Lester retaliated? I understand the frustration at being hit with an intentional pitch, and even Youkilis charging. Just trying to give a frame of reference from a pitcher that lost the catalyst (Cabrera) to an already anemic batting lineup. Porcello didn’t go helmet high and although Youkilis has had back problems, I’m sure Porcello wasn’t aware and viewed it as the safest retaliation. In my mind, both Porcello and Youkilis said “enough is enough” and acted. Both put their teams in a position to lose a game, but Boston rallied and Detroit didn’t.

by TMadison25 on Aug 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be kind of disappointed if Wake retaliated

The guy’s fastball tops out at 75 MPH. :)

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, VMart and Youk became pinatas for Porcello to take his frustrations out on?

Miggy was hit (most likely) unintentionally twice by OUR guys, and once by someone else, so Porcello decides to hit our two of our best players, back to back? Wasn’t this kid supposed to be going to UNC with a 3.9+ GPA?

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

although

As far as the risk of Youk ending up back on the DL, I was less concerned about the pitch hitting him than about Porcello body-slamming him to the turf.

More casual than the average fan.

by baseball conspiracy theories on Aug 12, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm almost more concerned for Porcello's arm.

Could’ve been badly injured, ending a very promising young career.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youk looked like a pissed off Lou Ferrigno

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Aug 12, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing Youk did wrong was throw his helmet.

He was completely justified in charging the mound. Porcello threw at him, that was the 2nd time in 2 nights as retaliation, Youk can do what he wants there and I doubt anyone in the Boston locker room feels different.

If he didn’t throw the helmet, nobody would care one bit.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 12, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh.

He was pissed and wanted to get to Porcello as fast as possible. The helmet isn’t going to hurt Porcello anymore than the pitch hurt Youk. And if he kept it on, then he’s called a wuss.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

DH

The Sox should rid themselves of Ortiz and just let Lowell DH.

by Old Fan on Aug 12, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Considering

that if the defense did what it was supposed to do, you could forecast a 6 IP, 1 run performance.

This was another good test for the Sox. After being tied up late Monday and winning, they showed they could come back from a 3-run deficit and stay ahead.

by Hardscores on Aug 12, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tazawa looked good

great start for a young guy in a new country. Congrats.

by drabidea on Aug 12, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

Amazing to watch this kid go at it. He adds excitement and energy to the club, and is fun to watch. Farrell, in his remarks after the game, seemed really impressed. Re the dustup: Seems to be healthy for the Sox to have one once in a long while. And if they ever needed a shakeup, what better time, right? Re Papelbon: Jon Papelbon is to John Wetteland what Bard is to Rivera?

by Mister Snitch on Aug 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think about what this kid went through in 3 days

Called up the Sox, 1st batter he faces is Japanese legend Matsui, 15 inning pitchers duel between the Red Sox and Yankees at Yankee stadium. Gives up the bomb to A-Rod. Starts the game with 2 horrible plays at SS and gets out of it with bases loaded and only gives up 3 runs, 1 earned. The fight. Then he settles down and works 4 more innings striking out 6.

I would say Junichi is probably never going to forget his first major league experiences.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he

seems to have excellent mound composure

by Buzzy on Aug 12, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sox have their first good pitching matchup tonight

Now that they’re already 2-0 in the series.

One hopes the trend of losing said good matchups is finally put to an end.

by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Youk

Youk just got fed up and lost his cool – which isn’t a good thing to do when the Sox need him now more than ever. My question is – what would have happened if Youk didn’t charge the mound? Would the ump have tossed Porcello anyways? The little brawl might have unintentionally set up the win for the Sox since it sent the Tigers into their pen so early….I just hope the Sox don’t lose Youk for awhile as a result.

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by GoSawx on Aug 12, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I predict that Porcello would have only received a warning.

How is N.E. chowder vs. Manhattan even a competition?

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Aug 12, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Sam or Harpoon over Brooklyn Lager.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Aug 12, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brooklyn Brown Ale is very good, though

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 12, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, GoSawx, just a quick note:

Maybe wait a few comments before advertising stuff?

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

youuuuk

Lowell played like a champ last night! its too bad that it took youk to get tossed out for lowell to come in…
speaking of youk i’m thinking of dressing a sandwich like Porcello before beating it senseless with a batting helmet then posting the video on sandwichoutrage.com. I think its guaranteed to be picked to air during a Sox game on NESN.

by dirtywaterwally on Aug 12, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha!!!

I cant believe Youk got taken down by a rookie. Thats gotta be embarrassing. He wont be living this moment down for some time.

by docescobar07 on Aug 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF?

This is a bad quality screen grab, but…

Both fell down – Youk pulled Ricky down, Ricky was trying to throw Youk off him. Give it up – if anything, you’re condoning the fighting by deciding who won. This isn’t the WWE.

by bdalebs on Aug 12, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youk was clearly embarrassed by the whole thing. Whether it was because he got suspended for a crucial series against Texas or that he instigated a fight by charging the mound and lost we’ll never know.

by UCLAClass82 on Aug 12, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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