Overflow thread: Tigers @ Red Sox -- August 11
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 10:49 PM EDT
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PrintA brawl, a couple bombs from Lowell, and a rookie with a nice start. All capped by a rain delay. Quite the game so far.
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Warming up like a starter, perhaps.
Maybe he can go longer now.
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Most of the pen.
At least Bard is working behind him so he’ll be ready on a moment’s notice.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
"flies out sharply" + ball shown as ON the wall = Ells leaping into wall to catch?
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Ah.
Can’t wait till Hit F/X becomes more fully utilized.
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Ah, so that's why the overflow thread took so long... :)
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Totally >_>
Not mine, actually. Just wanted to make sure we were gonna actually have a game.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I thought.
Since it seemed like you were literally waiting for a pitch to post it.
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1-2-3 Tito needs to pitch Saito more so he is consistent
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Eh
Saito’ probably the worst guy in our pen.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Consistently decent.
Could be good bait as waiver fodder.
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I'll give that "award" to MDC >_>
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by bloodysock04 on Aug 11, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if we're going to debate this:
RamRam’s got the least pRAA’s of anyone in the pen right now:
http://www.statcorner.com/team.php?team=BOS&year=2009&leag=A_L
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Why not?
Someone’s going to have to leave when we get healthy – Saito’s probably a waiver trade candidate.
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Saito needs to be more consistent so he can pitch more
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So, what did I miss?
/joking
Did Porcello really take down Youk, or was it a momentum thing?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Momentum
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You see Klaw?
Seems he thinks Youk was a big baby. I think he’s disappointed that he didn’t get to see Porcello pitch a gem.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
What gem?
Porcello is on a strict pitch count. He’d almost have to be perfect to go 6 innings.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's his quote -
Porcello looked like he was in for a dominant outing, sitting 91-94 with great sinking life, and had a three-run lead.
He had a win in his sights…
August 1, Porcello threw 8 innings, 4 hits, one run. Sure, it was Cleveland, but the way we’ve been “hitting”…
Manny ain't the only bad man.
If Porcello was dominant (which is hard to say after 1 inning)
He shouldn’t be throwing at the other team.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Don’t risk your start and team’s pen just to send a message.
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Porcello threw a two-seamer
I just think that if you send a messege, you throw a 4-seamer…Youk was pissed from last night, was too afraid of the black man and decided to go after Porcello. Youk is a punk and got slammed. Dont give me this momentum stuff, the freaking guy threw his helmet at Porcello, what a bitch…Dont get slammed Youk
Porcello threw a two-seamer AT YOUK
Maybe he was trying to avoid getting tossed, but that was the second straight batter who had a 0-0 pitch come in on their ribs. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt there.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF?
From what I’ve seen from photos, Porcello moved off the mound when Youk was throwing his helmet, and Youk had to change directions and ran straight into his arms.
Don’t even bring up the race card – that’s just stupid here. Why would you be as pissed from the first HBP as you were by the second one?
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Youk was cussing
under his breath the entire way down 1st base last night…he was pissed, but didn’t want to go after Jackson…and im sure Porcello was trying to get tossed in the 2nd inning. your giving excuses for why he got slammed which is hilarious in itself..throw fists if your going to charge the mound, not helmets cool guy
Because he's ALWAYS mad.
But that was just one HBP, and it didn’t seem like they were intending to hurt someone. But when he was thrown at AGAIN, then he finally lost it and decided not to let pitchers get away with pulling this shit. Porcello threw at two of our best players, BACK TO BACK, after y’all lost a player because of a bad pitch that had no possibility of being intentional.
And we’re going to defend Youk’s honor because he plays hard no matter what and does everything he can to win. He threw the helmet because he couldn’t get to Porcello fast enough – mostly because he was running away.
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So he gets hit once and doesn't charge,
then gets hit again and charges. What’s your point?
And watch the replay again. Youk lunged, they went down together and rolled. If anything I’d be concerned about lil’ Ricky’s arm, he seemed to go down on it pretty hard.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Oh, crap.
That would honestly suck if it hurt Porcello’s arm. If I was Youk, that’s when you go and apologize for snapping.
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Not saying I agree with Klaw,
just doing some armchair psychoanalysis.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Yep.
Called him an amateur in a tweet.
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You gave him too much credit
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
KLaw is a wuss
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Meh.
He’s generally pretty cool, like I said before. Not sure what his problem was with Youk.
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Perhaps Law missed the precedent setting throw @ Youkilis yesterday after an unintentional HBP on Martinez
Or maybe he missed the 1st time he threw at Martinez.
Or maybe he missed the fact that it was a fastball almost behind him in the ribs.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No way the Sox were throwing at Cabrera
You have to pitch inside. Youk got hit yesterday, and today Porcello threw at VMart before beaning Youk.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just like how nobody seems to make that intentional/not distinction anymore. Our team does.
I’ve not once seen us retaliate for something we didn’t think was intentional, and we’ve got Headhunter Beckett
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really think of Beckett as a headhunter.
It always seems like he pitches in games where he’s “supposed” to hit someone and doesn’t. But he still gets into the hitter’s head.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Of course.
Anyone who throws that hard and has a short temper gets in the heads of everyone within range.
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well he is a Texan so that is similar
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
What?
So when a sox guys goes in he’s just throwing inside, but when Porcello goes in he’s throwing at someone?
You mean Tazawa on Cabrera? Are you NUTS?
Man on 1st-3rd
1 out
1st inning
0-2 count
BARELY grazes his knuckles when he’s SWINGING
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Cy Porcello was throwing at VMart and Youk. He went for the body on both.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Don’t ban this guy quite yet, USG. He could be fun.
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I held off because his original post sort of COULD be considered a legitimate take.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you get banned for trolling and saying Youk's afraid of a man because of his race.
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Yeah, that'd be it.
The “Youkilis is a bitch” “go get slammed” “afraid of Edwin Jackson” comments.
The Sox’ bats weren’t so afraid of Mr. Jackson.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are ridiculous
you cant say slammed? afraid of jackson?… and I’ll say Jackson by name from now on, dont want to hurt your virgin eyes. Youk is a punk though
You're trolling.
You know you’re trolling.
Isn’t it kinda pointless to deny it if both parties know?
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he is.
But that doesn’t give you an excuse to accuse him picking his fights based on race.
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Have you ever been hit by a major league pitch?
Have you been hit several times intentionally? I don’t think you would like it.
by BoldandBrash on Aug 11, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
is a major league pitch a special kind?
or would a simple 93 mph suffice?
dont know
i put away my radar gun away just before the ball got to me
Exactly
thats throwing inside…not at cabrera…but dont assume Ricky is just throwing at cats. The ball on VMart was further away from his body than the ball that hit cabrera and he stares down porcello with those puppy dog eyes. I do think porcello was throwing at Youk because I think Jackson was throwing at him last night. Youk is just soft..i cant believe he threw a helmet
You want to know what I can't believe?
I can’t believe you are still here. I can’t believe Detroit hasn’t considered relocation. I can’t believe you brought up the Race Card with E-Jax. I can’t believe you wrote this.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sorry, truely
but because its harsh, doesn’t mean its not true…i’ll recant that and say it was because Jackson is bigger than Youk. I am speculating though… and why would i leave?…where else am i gonna clown on youk
Maybe say it in a way that doesn't suggest that you want Youk to be attacked further?
“get slammed” sounds like you want further action.
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Nope, talking about the one play
just want to hammer down the point
Ask Porcello. He got hammered pretty good.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, let me call him
clown, he threw a helmet, how soft
Boo Fucking Hoo.....
A helmet. I’m sure that was the least of Porcello’s worries. Let me check…Okay a 2 lbs. helmet or a Large MLB player about to drop your ass.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
but youk was who got dropped
so i dont know where your rationale lies
He basically dragged Porcello down on top of him.
But I guess you Tigers fans see what you want now a days.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely not a tigers fan
dont know one…but to be dragged down, to me, that mean porcello would have to have been under youk
not the kind you play
Philly fan…we dont juice to win our titles…you knew it was coming
You don't know the list.
Howard could be on it.
by BoldandBrash on Aug 12, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
you can hope
maybe he is…i guess he just intimidates the kind of people that would make that information public
Ryan Howard wasn't in the majors in '03...
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry...
i thought they have been continuously testing since then…my mistake
They have
But he wouldn’t go on the list, he’d be outed right away.
Then again, clean tests are pretty “eh” given the evolving nature of steroids.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i know they have been testing
i couldn’t believe the previous post
No, you just get your jollies off hating on Santa Claus
You knew it was coming.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i did
its been like 60 years too…dont really know why people are so warm to the idea of a fat guy with hostage-kept animals sneaking into a chimney..if it were vick doing that, you wouldn’t even let him play in the UFL
I believe the "hostages" are known as livestock.
It’s done all over the world. But yeah, the rest is kinda creepy when you think about it.
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Trust me, there are HGH users on every team.
They just can’t test for it legally yet.
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not anymore
and not the big names…my opinion though…just dont think people are going to want to ruin their careers
Actually whoever is dragging the other person down would have to be below.
Dragging implies pulling in your direction.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought thats what i said
under and below are interchangeable in this context
You said for Porcello to be dragged down, he'd need to be under Youk.
That implies YOUKILIS being dragged down.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like being pushed into a pool...
And Youk grabbed onto the guy to pull him in with him.
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He slammed into Porcello at an angle after Ricky started backing towards Polanco (ish)...
And then they kinda spun in a hug until they fell. No one “got dropped.”
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Porcello didn't get hammered.
That was Edwin Jackson. And Lambert. And the Tigers.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
To his face. Then you'll get the real story.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He got pissed and he was frustrated.
You’ve never wanted to throw something when someone was screwing with you? Besides, you’d be calling him a wuss if he went after Porcello with his helmet on, just like the MFY fans called Tek the same when he went after ARod.
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Varitek...
squared him up like a man..A-rod got punked in that scenario
What the Fuck is this? MTV?
Always the Redsox fault. Gotcha. Now get out.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm... I believe he gave Tek credit there.
Which is kinda helping his case now.
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Im legit
what can i say…i’ll hurt it again though…sox are terrible
make the world series and we'll see
i do feel for you guys though…the AL is tough…we have a cake-walk through the NLCS
Yep.
Unless you draw the Giants or Rockies – both are very underrated.
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Come on
Hamels/Lee in the playoffs is a given…and i’ll bet on a happ/blanton pitched game whenever.
Well, Lincecum > Hamels and Lee by himself, almost.
So yeah, an above average Cain will get the job done. The Rockies have a great pitching staff though.
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i disagree but...
Hamels/Lee throwing to the giants lineup vs. Lincecum/Cain throwing to ours? Lincecum is dirty, dont get me wrong
True.
And it’s not like Lincecum can help Cain pitch in Gm 2.
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giants gotta make the playoffs too...
i dont think were getting supplanted by the marlins
Damn power outage.
Had no battery in the laptop, so I’m behind…
We’re looking a LOT better now though. And we were still probably the 3rd best team in baseball, by BtB’s Power Rankings.
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if rankings make you feel better...
i just think on the field…we’re tough to beat
They are done with advanced statistics.
Pretty good evaluation of talent.
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ok...
got nothing really to say on that…the game is on the field
And statistics do a pretty damn good job of predicting what will happen on said field
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
I thought The Good Phight had sabermetric content?
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I guess
but we got a title last year..dont know how many cheat sheets predicted that..that is basically the foundation of my thinking
Well, no one was predicting the Cubs' collapse...
And a common thought is that the Sox would’ve matched up better with y’all than the Rays.
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common thought of new england
but i agree..you just needed to beat the rays to get to us
Which we almost did.
Lots of injured players – but I’ve seen other fans agreeing with that. Not sure if I can find the sources, though.
Side note: Y’all just won a 12 inning game with 3 hits – that’s pretty lucky.
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harden is pretty dirty as well
but its what we do…2 run bomb and a solo shot to win it…we can beat good pitching
Waiting for homers to win?
Sounds like us during the slump.
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except it happens every game
and its not a negative…we can get no hit for 6 innings and then be on top with two swings of the bat…its dangerous to be in a close game with the phils
im out gents...
gonna be at the eagles/pats game thursday…talk to you then
Not a Pats, fan myself.
Just saying, it makes you a dangerous team, but it’s also a dangerous way to try to win every game.
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Gameday: "Injury Delay"
Also has Ells on 3rd with no mention of a steal… WTF?
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???
No injury delay. Coaching visit. Ells stole.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Now it's all right...
Except still has the injury delay after Ells reached.
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See, now, THAT I don't think was intentional.
But Porcello throwing at 2 consecutive batters 0-0? I think probably.
Agree
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
me neither but I will take it
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Ump blinks and doesn't know if anything happened.
Paranoid.
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The strike zone is pretty iffy these days too
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
balk 7-3
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I'm calling it
Mike Lowell: inside-the-park HR
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
So, what, it falls shallow center, with all 3 fielders converging on it.
They run into eachother, and the ball rolls to the wall while the SS has to recover?
Popup =(
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Lowell has extra syringes in his pockets filled with tranquillizers.
Shows off the darts skills while running around the bases.
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The man knows his way around needles.
Chemo (assuming) and hip cortisone shots.
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Me too,
but I guess it would have to be @ BMore or Wash
Fear the Rebel Polar Bears (trust me, this sig makes sense)
by crabchowdah on Aug 11, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, media would freak if syringes started flying...
Oh, wait…
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LMFAO
Rec’d
"Swing and a ground ball, stabbed by Foulke. He has it. He underhands to first. And the Boston Red Sox are the World Champions! For the first time in 86 years, the Red Sox have won baseball's World Championship!"
by bloodysock04 on Aug 11, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Huge changes in movement too, on the breaking stuff.
Hope he’s doing it on purpose. Fastball looks awesome though.
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Whatever it was, Bard hung it and got lucky.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure.
That’s not hanging it. That’s throwing it high. Really high. Kind of on the same path as the last fastball.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
You can throw anything when they’re looking for a high fastball.
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No, he hung it
The ball had very little break. It sort of sat in the strike zone.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Whereever it was, it had no break. It just hung.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The only time a hanging breaking ball is gonna hurt you is when it ends up in the zone. Or near the zone. You throw it high like that and it’s a pop up at BEST.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true
A low velocity pitch sitting above the zone can easily be a HR pitch.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
But not when the batter's looking for the speeding fastball.
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That's why he was lucky
It was a bad pitch. Not all bad pitches get hit. Just like batters sometimes get hits on good pitches.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe he threw a junk pitch when he/the catcher knew it would get the job done?
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It's not a pitch that's gonna get hit.
It’s the equivalent of a waste pitch.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that high
That’s about half a foot above the zone. That’s difficult to hit.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The ball didn't break. Hence the "hanger."
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitch F/X has it as breaking 7" and moving 8"...
Roughly the same as a slider to Raburn.
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One of the few times I will cheer for the LaLaLand Angels
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The other time: when they're playing the MFY
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith Law already wrote an Aritcle for ESPN
saying how the whole brawl was Youk’s faults along with the umps. Calling for his suspension and what not. I can’t read it all, because I’m not an “Insider”. But personally, if he can pass judgement that fast, then its probably a waste of money anyways. Fuck that condescending bitch…..I can’t stand these “all knowing” baseball critics.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Again, most people would say that they're Sox and MFY slanted.
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They're controversy slanted.
That’s all.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Gammons talked about this a bit
He said it was obvious that the Tazawa HBP was unintentional and that, even if the Tigers thought it wasn’t, the “message was sent” when Porcello threw at VMart.
When you throw at two batters in a row, and at the same hitter two days in a row, in response to an unintentional HBP, you are asking for even more trouble.
Youk is already known to have a temper. It shouldn’t be surprising he thought that HBP was unwarranted.
I think the only thing that was wrong in the whole thing was Youk
throwing his helmet. I thought the charging was justified and to me as a Sox fan, finally someone showed up like they cared about winning.
Red Sox needed some emotion and to get pissed off.
I'm fine with the helmet throw.
It wasn’t going to do any damage. I’m more concerned about him tackling guys, which endangers not only his health, but Porcello’s health.
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agree with that
a ball thrown at somebody will do a lot more damage than a helmet thrown. It’s not like Youk threw his bat. I think it would be hard to hurt somebody throwing a batting helmet at him. They’re not that heavy and they’re built to absorb contact.
Well, Gammons may not be the BEST person to go to for the unbiased view.
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nobody is "unbiased"
But Gammons has been around for 40 years and knows the game as well as anybody. He thinks that Youk shouldn’t have charged the mound, but that throwing at Youk after throwing at VMart when the first HBP was unintentional? A bit much.
Ya, I talked about it a little bit above.
I generally like KLaw. Wicked smaht, excellent on prospects, pretty funny. But he probably has played a competitive sport since junior high. I’lltrust Eck’s insight on this above Law’s.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
That's what I'm saying. These guys haven't been in the game for 20 years.
They don’t have the competitive, aggressive drive that these players do. To early for him to pass judgement. I was pissed off he wrote this, but also dissappointed. you know what I mean.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, to me, it sounds like he didn't watch the AB's before Youk's.
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With the nice bit of "rib breaking" action.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
All he probably did was tune in because he saw something about Miggy getting injured, and happened to catch Youk breaking down.
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KLaw is a wuss
Porcello drilled him intentionally I am always amazed that hitters don’t chase them down with the bat and hit the pitcher back – that would put an end to homicidal pitching; or, as my father in law likes to say don’t come to a gun fight with a knife
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Trot threw his bat once
And got suspended.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I remember that
I look at it this way if you are trying to hit me with a weapon then I should be able to defend myself with the only weapon I have
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Beckett tomorrow. Hopefully, we won't need him
But I agree. This is a strange spot for Paps.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid move
Specially when you’re goin’ against the bottom of their lineup!
"Swing and a ground ball, stabbed by Foulke. He has it. He underhands to first. And the Boston Red Sox are the World Champions! For the first time in 86 years, the Red Sox have won baseball's World Championship!"
by bloodysock04 on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The day game situation makes it a little more sensible.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
assuming he get's hitters out
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Just realized: Thursday's a day game.
So if you saved him up tonight, and used him Wednesday, you wouldn’t be able to use him on Thursday.
This way you can still get three Paps appearance in this series.
A lot of closers struggle in non-save situations.
by BoldandBrash on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is baffling to me, but true, I know.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Justin Spiers was released by the Angels
Should the Red Sox be interested? Maybe as a reclamation project?
Pass
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we've had too many reclamation projects.
by BoldandBrash on Aug 11, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Reclamation projects are great
So long as they stay in the minors with a limited leash in the majors.
See: Cabrera, Duncan, Anderson
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather give a young guy the chance.
I don’t think we want Spiers in the long term.
by BoldandBrash on Aug 11, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There we go.
NOW he’s got his stat in line.
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Angels take the Rays series very serious
Angel fans consider the Rays their little brothers that need a beating. I would not be surprised if they sweep this series from the Rays.
That would be nice.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 11, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
nice pitch by Paps
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12 K's on the night and $600 to the Jummy fund
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
7-5 WTF?
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Now he has to save his no save situation to feel good about himself
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Papelbon had to create artificial pressure in order to really challenge himself.
by South Coast Ghost on Aug 11, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
Does that make him mentally challenged?
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Would explain a lot.
Disclaimer: None of this is meant as an insult to mentally handicapped individuals, and if it appears offensive, maybe you need to see a dermatologist because you’ve got some pretty damn thin skin.
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With Grand's power, he is more suited for a 5th or 6th spot.
by BoldandBrash on Aug 11, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I’d put Span in the leadoff spot of my All-OF lineup.
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Minessota fans weird me out
Talk of Morneau for MVP because he “does more than guys like Zobrist and Youkilis with less talent in front of him”
Denard Span and Joe Mauer bat in front of him. That’s like a .400 OBP on average.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again I go to school with tons of them.
So God only knows.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So, we've got the Tampa schools covered...
The Minny schools covered… What other young fanbases do we have frontline reporters in?
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University of Wisconsin - Madison, actually.
It’s just that Minn. residents get really cheap tuition and show up in droves.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant their market.
Isn’t that ltrain2’s school too? Maybe y’all have seen each other.
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Naw, nevermind. He goes to Milwaukee.
I’ve only been there once for a Celtics game.
Argh. I gotta go back in a couple weeks. I should’ve caught another Sox game while I was still home. =(
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, Milwaukee.
Wrong M campus. Still, kinda weird to be going to the same university.
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Yup
Especially given I ended up there of all places coming from Mass.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
yes it is nice
We need to rattle off about 20 in a row and watch the Yankees wilt out West
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Strike three Jummy fund benefits
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I really like Tazawa
he definately has had a wild first 3 days in the majors. 1st appearance v. Japanese legend Matsui, A-Rod’s bomb in the 15th inning, errors in his 1st start, FIGHT!, looking good for 4 innings.
WOW! crazy.
Hope he's not calling friends back home and being like:
“Holy $#!+, do NOT come over here. They’re F’n insane.”
Of course, the Japanese always have a better way with words than us Americans.
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But we want more guys like Tazawa!
Good, tough Japanese kid.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They hate they Rays bc Maddon plays their game and it upsets them to think
that Scosh is not unique….LOL!
Great win
Now let’s get us a SS who DOESN’T constantly make errors
by South Coast Ghost on Aug 11, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
Again, he's on the DL precautionarily.
He’s fine.
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Umm... I didn't actually get around to reading any of my summer reading books...
I’ll do it tomorrow if I can get through half of The Crucible, ‘kay? I’ve actually got some fresh ideas from work done on BtB and Driveline Mechanics.
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Haha
I might look into doing one. I’ve always wanted to better understand the graphs.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 11, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
so, to summarize
Porcello and Youkilis are ejected. Porcello’s replacement gives up two HRs to Youkilis’ replacement.
Probably not what Leyland wanted.
So, we shoulda taken the over on Sandy's line earlier.
Drunk tirade coming up.
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Good Night OTM.
USG. Take care of the Troll, however you see fit.
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by sox-inda-south on Aug 11, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
Oh I'm waiting on it.
He’s at least a more intelligible, readable troll. He tends to make an actual point between bits of calling Youkilis a scared racist bitch.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Hence the fun. And he’s calmed down now (kinda).
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Oh, and KLaw now thinks we're babies:
Summary of emails from #redsox fans to my mailbag tonight: “Waaaa waaaa waaaa waaaaa”
http://twitter.com/keithlaw/statuses/3258894047
Why can’t we keep the bandwagon dummies of the Internet?
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Summary of KLaw's posts tonight:
Shitpost shitpost shitpost garbagetalk garbagetalk garbagetalk
They threw at our guys for an unintentional HBP. Own up to your shit, Law.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Law when it comes to evaluating amateur talent
But let’s be honest, he loves antagonizing anything and everything he doesn’t agree with.
by South Coast Ghost on Aug 12, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He's actually talking to me on Twitter.
I will give him credit for that.
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Yeah.
I asked him when he started watching the game, and this was his reply:
http://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/3259179970
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But he's yet to reply to my follow up question:
@keithlaw Oh. Did you notice that Miggy’s HBP could not have been intentional? Game situation made it impossible.
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If he responds, ask how far "in" he thought the pitch to Martinez was. It was, to us viewers on TV, clearly intended to drill.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Kinda looking like he's off for the night.
Hope he doesn’t think I was insulting him – I just wanted to know how familiar he was with the situation.
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I just don't understand how someone watching the same scenario I watched
Can think Youk was not largely justified.
Youk was intentionally hit yesterday after what was likely an unintentional HBP. Not necessarily, but likely not intentional.
Today, we have what is DEFINITELY unintentional. A ball that just nabs his hand when he was starting to swing on an 0-2 count with runners on in the 1st.
Then they throw at V-Mart 0-0
The very next batter, 0-0, drilled in the ribs.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright, I'm off.
Hope I don’t miss to much important stuff while working on summer homework. :(
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Seeya 'round.
Think I’ll sign off too. After looking at Brooks, I can’t begin to fathom.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 12, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
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