Theo's Strategy: All UR 1st Basemen R Belong to Us
After yesterday's excitement, we now have two new additions to the Red Sox: Victor Martinez and Casey Kotchman. Randy's already broken down some of their numbers. The bigger question is why acquire these players.
With LaRoche for Kotchman, Theo traded an average-fielding first baseman with good power for a slick-fielding one with less power who is under control for longer. In the Martinez deal, Theo got a great MLB hitter for two prospects in A-ball, one of whom was coming off Tommy John surgery, and Justin Masterson. Unless Nick Hagadone becomes the next CC or Cliff Lee, or Masterson learns to get out lefties, the deal probably favors Boston. In a vacuum, the trades are reasonable and make sense.
However, baseball is not played within a vacuum (if it was, it would suck). Victor Martinez can play 1B/DH/C, but we already have starters at all of those positions, and a backup 1B in Kotchman. On most teams, VMart and Kotchman would be starting at first base, not platooning or coming off the bench. I'm concerned that these guys won't get enough playing time, and that it will affect both their performance and value. Big league hitters can lose their timing if given too much time off. There simply aren't enough at-bats to give to all these players, so someone's going to end up seeing too much of the bench. My guess: Kotchman.
Furthermore, the presence of Kotchman creates a potential logjam long-term at first base. Lars Anderson has had a disappointing year, but he's still a top prospect (#3 on Soxprospects). Even if Youk moves to third, Kotchman is still blocking Lars for the next two years.
So if Theo can't get full value from both new players, and they are blocking a top hitting prospect, why did he do these trades? I think the cries of anguish on Draysbay.com suggest one motive: to block the Rays from getting Victor Martinez. VMart would have been a major upgrade over the one-year wonder Dioner Navarro, and could have helped them substantially in the division race. Kotchman might also have benefitted them by spelling the slumping Carlos Pena.
Another reason is draft picks. VMart is a type A free agent, and if he leaves at the end of the year, he could net some great talent.
What do you think about the trades? Leave your thoughts in the comments and on the poll.
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Define "full value"
I think we can definitely get full value from VMart. There’s a lot of value in having starters get plenty of rest (as I’ve said before, each of Lowell, Tek, Papi, VMart, and Youk can play 4-out-of-every-5 games, with the occasional 5-for-5 and 3-for-5 based on matchups and the like).
Kotchman will likely not get a lot of PT, no. But he’s good at what he’s there for: being a defensive replacement. With Kotchman and Youk manning the corners late-game, we’ll have infield defense like ‘07, except without Lugo (looking now, Youkilis has a bad UZR at 3rd, but I’m fairly certain that’s more an issue of sample size than actual ability. Youk has range, and picks balls like nobody else). What’s important is that we switched out a negative glove for a positive glove, which is much more useful on a bench that 4-out-of-5 days should have 1 of Youk, Lowell, Ortiz, and VMart to choose from to pinch hit.
Theo will also not hesitate to ship Kotchman elsewhere if he ends up being a blocker to Lars. He’s here to be a glove for 1B, really.
Though he is a competent PH. If you need to bridge a gap between hitter A and hitter B, he’s a damn nice bench bat.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 1, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Kotchman is pretty much like Kotsay, except he has value at the plate. The only he thing he lacks is being able to play OF, but, hell, he’s 26 and I’m sure he’d be willing to learn…
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by nepats108 on Aug 1, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need more first basemen
We should have demanded Pujols from the Cardinals in exchange for Lugo.
by RSNexile on Aug 1, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tex & Giambi need to be on the roster
Steve Garvey is probably busy with duties as a Wal Mart-type greeter for the Dodgers
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Aug 1, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Theo did not want 08 happening in 09
so he went after AG and V Mart. He gave up pretty much nothing except Masterson, a pitcher without a spot on the team. Kept his best prospects or at least the one with the highest ceilings and insured that if Papi gets depressed, Lowell’s hip acts up or Tex just wears down, or some unforeseen injury occurs he has a replacement.
Kotchman was just a smart move to get someone willing to sit the bench and cheaper for a vet who needs to play every day to get max production.
One thing that V-Mart will do is make sure that someone gets better pitches. He forces opposing teams to make decisions on who to pitch too. Someone, maybe VMart will be getting more fastballs. That’s a good thing.
The Red Sox could not stand pat and do nothing, this was obvious. So Theo took option B, bc option A cost more than he was willing to pay.
by SoxAcumen on Aug 1, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 1, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potentially a legitimate loss
he could be nothing. V-Mart is a proven player, but I am not going to get into this debate again. Its a gamble, but odds are with Theo.
by SoxAcumen on Aug 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, odds are with Theo. However, the reward of Hagadone is much higher than that of Martinez.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
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by BTLove on Aug 1, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Red Sox win the WS in 09 does that change your opinion?
by SoxAcumen on Aug 1, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
If the Sox had not won in 2007, then the Hanley deal would be viewed as a disaster. But a WS win makes all the difference.
Victor is definitely worth more than Hagadone. But the basic premise is that we traded for the low-risk, low-reward guy and gave away that high-risk, high-reward guys. That is how prospect trades work.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Aug 1, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say VMart is exactly low reward.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 1, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the contract though...
We are paying $10M or so for 1.3 years of a .360 wOBA guy who might play 40% of his games at catcher and the rest at DH/1B. Compare this to 6 years of good starting pitcher for very little money. That is a big, big difference in terms of reward.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Aug 1, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure the reward of Hagadone > Martinez
Martinez can help the Red Sox considerably over the next two years, while Hagadone was at least that many years from the BoSox rotation. There are highly touted pitchers in every draft, and there’s nothing to say that the Red Sox can’t let Victor walk after 2 years, get two good draft picks, and get another Hagadone minus the TJ surgery.
I think this deal makes tons of sense.
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by SoxDevil on Aug 3, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
My point was that if Hagadone reaches his uppermost potential, the reward is greater than if Victor reaches his potential. Now, there is an overwhelming chance that Hagadone never even reaches the majors. Let’s relate it to playing roulette. Hagadone is like betting on one number, while Victor is like betting red/black. There is a better chance that you will reap the reward of Victor, but the reward is that much greater for Hagadone if you hit the 1/30 odds.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Aug 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Lowell can't play, these moves won't help that much
Right now, the Sox’ roster is a mess. They have a ton of flexibility at catcher, 1B, and 3B and only four OF, two of whom are the injury-prone Drew and Baldelli. I can’t wait to see Nick Green in the OF. We can debate the merits of VMart all day, but the LaRoche for Kotchman move makes little sense this year. Why carry a player whose only role is late-inning defense? Unlike Kotsay, Kotchman only plays one position. The Sox now have three catchers, only on (Kottaras) can catch a knuckler. Our third-best pitcher will be coming off hte DL soon and he throws knucklers.
One other roster point, the Sox are short one relief pitcher because they have three catchers and a designated 1B glove on the bench. Smoltz, Penny, and Buchholz don’t exactly eat innings. I hope the pen isn’t gassed by September 1st, when the rosters expand.
One thing that V-Mart will do is make sure that someone gets better pitches. He forces opposing teams to make decisions on who to pitch too.
Are you aware that VMart has been worse than Jason Bay at the plate the last two months? In his last 180 AB, VMart is hitting .211 AVG/.303 OBP/.378 SLG (.681 OPS). Over the same period, Varitek has hit better: .233 AVG/.363 OBP/.380 SLG (.743 OPS). Mike Lowell has hit better: .269 AVG/.336 OBP/.404 SLG (.740 OPS) [.389 AVG/.429 OBP/.583 SLG (1.012 OPS) since coming off the DL)]. Youk (.254 AVG/.361 OBP/.481 SLG – .842 OPS) and Papi (.280 AVG/.355 OBP/.591 SLG – .946 OPS) have been much better.
Hopefully VMart will find his stroke. But, in my opinion, aside from Lowell insurance, it’s not clear the Sox are better now. One thing is certain, Tito will have to earn his money juggling a poorly constructed roster and keeping everyone happy and ready to play.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 1, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you want Drugs
You and Buzzy keep running the stats at me, I just do not buy it. Similar to the whole N. Johnson v. A. Dunn argument, which seems to not be working out since Dunn is killing the ball. Stats are not everything about players. Character, approach, versatility, heart, desire to win all matter.
V-Mart is proven, he might be in a slump, but the Red Sox could not gamble on how Papi handles the PED mess and still maintains his current pace, Lowell’s hip and injury most doctors cringe when talking about, and Tex holding up. They needed a bat.
I also remember similar arguments, not from you, about Jason Bay’s lack of production in Pittsburgh and that trade worked out. I am sure similar arguments were made about Holiday v. prospects sent to Oakland, but I doubt anyone in the Cardinals organization thinks they made a mistake.
Nothing is guaranteed, but V-Mart is a quality person, character guy who will play at a high level. Will he produce? Theo is betting he will, I think ill go with his scouting staff on this one.
by SoxAcumen on Aug 1, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is it with you and the word "proven"?
Remember when you thought Masterson was “proven”? Gagne was “proven” before he came to the Sox.
If you don’t like stats, what are you basing your opinion that VMart is a great fit? Couldn’t someone (not me) make the argument that Kotsay is better than VMart? Could you refute that without the use of stats?
I like Jason Bay. But he has had a Jekyll and Hyde season. He carried the team in April and May and killed it in June and July. As for Holliday on the Cards (like Teixeira in LA last year), much depends on how far the team goes. If the Cards miss the playoffs or get knocked out early and Holliday signs with another team next year, it was an awful move.
I think you misunderstood the Dunn/Nick Johnson argument. No one said Johnson was a better hitter. Those who argued for Johnson thought he was available and Dunn wasn’t (which turned out to be true), and that Johnson would cost far less if Washington were to move both players (which is also true, as the Nats wanted to keep Dunn).
I agree that VMart is a quality person. Everything I’ve read says he’s a great guy. But performance on the field matters.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 1, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SA
I never said Dunn didn’t have the stats, I said he would cost too much compared to Johnson who would not, and that Johnson had the bonus of versatility. Look it up-I said Dunn is a better offensive player. As for Hagadone, he was our number 6 prospect and a former #1 pick. So we gave up essentially #1 and #2 round young pitching “prospects” for a guy who is not really going to catch, who has a marginally better offensive output over his career as LaRoche (who is cheaper and a tad younger) and we created a cluster fuck at 1b. Smart move by Theo? Not really, but I don’t think it is an outright disaster. Hopefully Martinez hits like he has for small select periods of his career and we ride it.
by Buzzy on Aug 1, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first I thought we'd have to carry three catchers,
but now I’m not so sure. It seems like a terrible waste of a roster spot. Would Theo really do that? I think we might see Tek catching Wake and 2 other guys, with Vic making 2 starts at catcher. Otherwise this trade makes very little sense.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Aug 1, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But postseason rosters are only 25 guys.
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by BTLove on Aug 1, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that's how the Tek/VMart split will work...
But I agree with dropping Kott.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed (with BTLove)
However, I’m not sure who is more redundant, a catcher who may be the only guy who can catch a very valuable pitcher or a player whose only role is late-inning defense at 1B? I like Kotchman, but he is not versatile. Now the Sox are very thin in the OF.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 1, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotchman, to me, allows us to play Youk at 3B and not worry about losing defense at 1B.
Esp. on days where VMart isn’t playing 1B.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche did the same. Also, I don’t think we’ll see very many games where Youk is at 3B when VMart isn’t at 1B. Unless there are injuries, I wouldn’t expect Kotchman to start very much, if at all.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 1, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tek can’t catch Wakefield. He’s a great defensive catcher, but with Wakefield for some reason he’s out of his depth. Remember the emergency trade to get Mirabelli back a few years ago?
by Sophomore on Aug 3, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Varitek has caught Wake for 2106 PA’s in his career. We stopped having him do that because of the wear on his body. The panic trade for Mirabelli was in response to Josh Bard, not Jason Varitek.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Aug 3, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
One start catching Wake = 3/4 starts catching other pitchers.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 3, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VMart
will probably benefit greatly from being in a much more solid lineup than Cleveland’s. Kind of like the overflow of quality pitchers, we now (hopefully) see an overflow of quality bats in the middle of the order. This is not a bad problem to have, and luckily we have Tito, who is wonderful at managing a stacked lineup.
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by nepats108 on Aug 1, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, I don't think slumps matter much after switching teams. There's a lot to a change of location.
Beyond that, we talk a lot about 1st, 3rd, etc. but don’t seem to realize that left field is a pretty malleable position too. Jason Bay is not a good defensive left fielder, so if we need to give him a day off we can include him in the rotation of position players too. Youk has actually played quite a few games in front of the monster in ’06 I believe.
There’s simply no downside to adding a very legitimate bat. If we assume we can’t shift anyone over to left field for a game, we can STILL have everyone playing 80% of all games, which should keep PT high enough for everyone while keeping legs fresh.
He’s a big bat. He’s hitting in a much friendlier park. He’s going to put up numbers while everyone gets more rest, and if someone DOES go down, then we’re just back to a standard lineup of 4 guys with good offensive numbers instead of a Bailey or Carter.
by Ben Buchanan on Aug 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
I said it in another thread: 7 guys at 4 positions, many of whom can play 3 of them (includes DH, which everyone can do).
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with DH
Is Papi has been the Sox best hitter for two months, and he only plays DH. If you sit him for more than a game here and there (mostly against tough lefties), you run the risk of hurting your offense.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 1, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we'd have to find a middle ground between that and having Papi batting against tougher pitchers...
And possibly breaking down.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youk started 17 games in LF in 2006
But from what I’ve heard, he hates playing the OF. Nick Green is the team’s 5th OF.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 1, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
The arm would be nice. Not sure about his range though.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I like it. At first I didn’t, mainly because I was greedy and wanted Halladay or A-Gon. But V-Mart can give us one good year plus the prospects when he walks. Until then he can switch from first to dh to and do some catching, which can give some flexabilty when deciding matchups. If he turns out to suck then he’ll be benched more and that will be that. I don’t see Kotchman creating a log jam simply because I think he’ll be traded at some point.
by sonicdeathmonkey on Aug 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
Boston aquires Kotchman, and Sports writer hacks call it a “Slick move by boston”. Yet before he was just an OK first baseman. Looks like the Angels were the smart ones unloading him last hear to “rent” Texeara and fill in the better hitting Morales. Casey only really plays first base, and you have have one of the best hitting firstbaseman next to Pujos. Hmmmm Me wonders if there is more down side to Big Poppy and the ’roids then we know of.
by Sportzfan on Aug 1, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm... what?
Kotchman will be a defensive replacement for games in which Youk needs to move to or stay at 3rd base, leaving 1b in the capable hands of Kotchman.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I find hilarious
is that this guy signed up for SBN and joined OTM in order to post something that is entirely unintelligible. But what’s not funny is how often people exactly this.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Aug 1, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Randy needs to implement the one-day wait thing?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really like both moves
victor was almost a total win for us. Masterson will help them, he should be a starter immediately, and who knows, maybe Hagadone will be a major leaguer. But as we all know, we didn’t even come close to touching our top prospects, and they wanted masterson, who was one of the most expendable guys on the team. i don’t need to make the point that martinez is a capable hitter, we all know that, so I’ll move on to the
Kotchman Controversy. I like this move as well. Although I was expecting a move for a relief pitcher or outfielder, this gives more insurance to the fragile duo of Tek and Lowell. If Lowell goes down then Youk moves over and V-Mart plays first, but then the catching is 100% Tek, or four out of five which is what he has been doing and guess what, he’s beat up like crazy. That’s where kotchman and his decent bat and great glove come in. Tek is gonna need a little bit of time off, and that won’t hurt the team too much. His presence alone gives him value. But with the additions of Kotchman and V-Mart, we have an almost indestructible corner infielder, and more importantly, catcher corps. most teams would die for depth at catcher, and we’ve got it, good depth at that.
All that being said, i wish we had another outfielder. And one more thing, when Wake gets back, it’s to the bullpen with Smoltz.
by revived0103 on Aug 1, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Smoltz
Unless he suddenly rediscovers how to pitch, he should take the role Masterson had as soon as Wake gets back. And then he should retire at the end of the season because this is a horrible way for a HOF-worthy pitcher to end a career.
by RSNexile on Aug 1, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roster moves:
http://www.overthemonster.com/2009/8/1/972223/roster-moves-mcbeth-optioned#comments
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SMOLTZ
FUTURE HALL OF FAMER, OR NOT, SMOLTZ NEEDS TO RETIRE NOW AND SAVE HIMSELF FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT. HE’S THROUGH; SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL HIM. I DOUBT THAT HE WILL BE EFFECTIVE AS A RELIEVER. HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE SCREWED UP IN THE FIRST INNING WHEN STARTING? CAN’T HAVE THAT AS A RELIEVER.
by ED4REDSOX on Aug 1, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
STOP USING ALL CAPS
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL CAPS MAKES IT SEEM LIKE YOU ARE YELLING AT US.
Please don’t yell at us.
by Bloggy on Aug 2, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez and Kotchman
I agree with the opinion that there may not be enough at-bats around this year (although I`m sure Martinez will get plenty of work) but this trade may be aimed more at next year and beyond. Eventually, Martinez takes over for Varitek, Youkilis moves to third when Lowell retires and Kotchman steps in at first. Kotchman is actually a very good hitter, though more of a doubles man, a fine fielder and still very young at 26.
This team has just improved its line-up, and future.
by Hallelujah2004 on Aug 3, 2009 6:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kotchman doesn't necessarily block Lars
It’s highly unlikely that Lars is anything more than a September call-up next year, and the Red Sox have Kotchman under control for only 2 years. They can either let Kotchman walk during free agency, use him as a trade chip next season, or keep him if (gasp!) Lars doesn’t work out.
Anderson is just a prospect, after all. The odds that he busts, or at least fails to live up to expectations, are still quite high.
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by SoxDevil on Aug 3, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Lars could be a DH as well.
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