Possible options for Sox at deadline
I've been off OTM for a while so let me start off by saying it's nice to be back. I believe the Sox should be active on or before July 31. This team seems to be limp. Yes this feeling may have been triggered by last night's deflating loss to the hapless A's, but I've been seeing this for awhile. The offense seems to be lacking. Acquiring a big power bat would be very nice but I think the chances of that are slim considering the FO's lack of desire to part with young talent. I would love to see a Miguel Cabrera patrolling a corner infield spot. With Mike Lowell seeing a lot of downtime I think that a corner infielder is exactly what the doctor ordered. Boston.com posted a list of possible acquisitions. The list highlighted names like Huff, Johnson, Victor Martinez and even the possibility of a Nomar return (being a huge fan of Nomar I would love to see this; granted I would also love Pedro to end his career with us as well but I don't think there is any chance of that). Victor Martinez may make alot of sense. But the problem with that: the price
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Not so easy
What do you give up?
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for Vic, it would take the whole farm.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 7, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he isn't coming to Boston
Theo isn’t going to mortgage the future for a short-term fix.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 7, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever drink your guiness and let me have my dreams
by c1980 on Jul 7, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh...
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND he's 30!
I don’t want to trade the farm for a guy with a limited shelf life.
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by SoxDevil on Jul 8, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like Huff, but I'd also like to avoid helping the O's.
Branyan would be awesome to get, but I don’t know how much the M’s would ask, esp. considering he’s only getting paid $1.4mil for one season.
Maybe Shin-Soo Choo? He’s also signed cheap for one year.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
They have better SS options.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 8, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By which you must mean "anybody"
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 9, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 9, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols for Pawtucket!
Sounds like an election campaign.
Kidding…
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 7, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good campaign platform to me!
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by Dan Pesce on Jul 7, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends entirely on the health of Lowell, IMO.
by USG on Jul 7, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay and Branyan are not available
I know people are only speculating but the Mariners are just 3 1/2 games out of first in a winnable division. Bedard is coming back and I think the Rangers, Angels and Mariners are going to slug it out. So no to Branyan.
Halladay rumors seem like people just trying to stir the pot. It would take A LOT to get him and I highly doubt the Jays would 1) give up Halladay unless the team who took him also took V. Wells big ass terrible contract and 2 ) would trade him to a team they see 18 or 19 times a year.
More likely is Halladay getting moved to the Phillies or the Angels who both have the money to take Wells and the prospects to send to the Jays.
But, if the Jays want Buchholz, Bowden and some others who are not named Lars, Casey Kelly or Tazawa, YES PLEASE!!
Ill be very happy watching Beckett, Halladay, Lester, Penny, Smoltz and Wake.
Mark Teahan seems like the obvious trade to me, but i might be wrong. He is going to be cheap, he can play 1st and 3rd. He is a lefty bat and the Red Sox have a good trade relationship with the Royals.
I agree with bs.u15box9bears23, if we can get Choo for Bowden, sold American. Choo has All-star written all over him.
by SoxAcumen on Jul 7, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've heard the Phillies may not be able to add payroll.
I forgot about Teahen.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't
you think Bowden is more valuable than Tazawa? I mean, clearly Buchholz is, but do you think Tazawa is more valuable than Bowden? I don’t.
by Buzzy on Jul 7, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think Tazawa is more valuable for many reasons 1) see Dice-K and his influence on Japan, 2) Tazawa has improved at a surprising rate which means he might, and I said might, have a higher ceiling than Bowden, 3) Bowden’s mechanics scare the hell out of me.
Plus I believe to get Halladay, the Red Sox would need to send their 2 best pitching prospects and the Blue Jays would most likely view Bowden as the #2 and not Tazawa. My only comment on Tazawa was that if we have to give up both Buchholz and Bowden, our #3 and #4 Tazawa and Kelly, should not going to be included.
by SoxAcumen on Jul 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair
I agree regarding Bowden’s mechanics, and that Bowden would be a more valuable chip. The only thing about Tazawa that I am not sure of is his age in AA (where he is pitching well). Bowden was every bit as good or better in AA and was 15 months younger. However, I suppose the adjustment in coming over for Tazawa makes the age question iffer and I am willing to just be happy with his AA performance without caring that he is 23.
by Buzzy on Jul 8, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Trade
Where would we put this much needed bat? Most of who you listed are 1B. That means whoever we sign has to be a better replacement then Mark Kotsay at 1B He has a UZR/150 of 18.0.
It is going to be hard to find a 1B who has more value then Kotsay who won’t demand a fortune (Martinez)
by drabidea on Jul 7, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget either.
The Sox are 4th best in the Majors in runs scored even with Papi not getting his bat until a little while ago, Lowrie being on the DL the first half of the season, and Mike Lowell now on the DL.
Lowrie will be back after the All-Star break, Papi has his swing back. I am perfectly happy with Kotsay and Lowrie as stand bys till Lowell gets back.
by drabidea on Jul 7, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you explain how Lowrie became the savior?
by c1980 on Jul 7, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need a savior.
We are in 1st place despite the recent slumping of the offense and the pen. We have probably the best (or second best) one-two starting pitching combo in the AL. This team always has periods of stale offense/frustrating play against inferior teams (all teams do) and when that happens people craw out of the woodwork looking for a quick fix that is not needed, is not realistic (Miggy, VMart…are not going to be traded to the Sox, and will take much more than the Sox have to offer if they are even on the block), and would be usually a bad idea long term. Remember last year when we sucked balls in July? It happens.
What we really need is:
a)Lowell health
b)Lowrie health (at least it will shore up the defense, which has quietly been our biggest problem).
c)Continued success from Penny
d)Smoltz/Buch pitch well enough.
by Buzzy on Jul 7, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 7, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed as well.
Always good to look for opportunities to improve though.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the forever pessimistic fan I guess…. but I think thats asking a lot
by c1980 on Jul 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant help but think back to 2006 when we did nothing at the deadline and fell short of the playoffs. A team can always improve.
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by Dan Pesce on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your point?
Eric Gagne was our big acquisition in 2007 (in fact, it was our only major in-season trade). What happened that year?
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 8, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won the World Series?
Thanks, Gagne!
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jul 8, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
He was huge … literally.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 8, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder how much better we would've been without him.
I know, we don’t/didn’t need Gabbard (who we bought back), Murphy, and Beltre’s not really great, but still, I would rather have kept them and not gotten a guy who cost us 3-4 games, not to mention contributed to almost losing the ALCS.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 8, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The analogy is a bad one
the 2006 team was very different. That year the Sox had no depth in the rotation or the pen. So the pitching sucked (team ERA of 4.83. Schilling was the only successful starter we had and he was about as good as Penny has been of late, no better). We had a ton of dead spots in the lineup (Coco, Loretta, Gonzalez-only Manny and Ortiz had OPSs over 814 as staritng players!). Even so, it took a bunch of bad injuries in the second half (Wake, Tek, the Lester, Paps, Manny and Ortiz at the end) to turn arwond a first palce start at the AS break inot a 3rd place finish.
by Buzzy on Jul 8, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even more need for a deal to of been done.. More depth would have prevented such an epic depletion. It is always good to tweak
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by Dan Pesce on Jul 8, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go out on a limb here...
You think prospects are less valuable because they aren’t sure things, right?
Lowrie was a league average bat (.329 wOBA) last year, at a position lacking good hitters, and with a broken right wrist, which wrecked his lefty hitting. His defense, while not mind blowing, is solid at 24.6 UZR/150, good for second among all SS with at least 350 innings.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So am I, but I wouldn't mind a better solution.
If we can get someone like Teahen, then that allows us to give Youk some days off too. Plus, we’re looking for more of offensive upgrade over Kotsay, whose UZR might be the result of SSS.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Teahen
Someone who can play a few spots and wont need to play every day would be ideal – both in terms of fit and price tag.
by alskor on Jul 7, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How much do you think they'll want?
Masterson? The fans want Soria to start, so he could take over at closer.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think less
Masterson is a proven starter/relief arm. Teahan is a man without a spot in the lineup and a 1/2 year rental. Just my guess.
by SoxAcumen on Jul 7, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bit of a jump, but Hunter Jones?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahan isn't a good fit
(1) He starts for KC, so they’ll want something decent for him.
(2) Offensively he is a league average hitter.
(3) He is pretty bad defensively by UZR.
At $3.75 million (with 2 arb years before he is a FA), Teahan is an expensive bench player. The Sox’ other primary bench players make much less: Kotsay ($1.5 million), Baldelli ($0.5 million + incentives), and Green ($0.55 million). Teahan isn’t a power bat, nor is he a good glove. As such, he isn’t an improvement over wwhat the Sox have now.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 7, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drugs with the research.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are the reasons he is a good fit for us!
1) His salary, as you mentioned, will drive down the price for us. Also, he won’t really have a place to start as soon as Gordon is back (after the ASB). If youll recall the beginning of the season they had him at 2B because they didnt have a spot. Coco is out for the season, now, so they could slot him into LF like last year… but he’s not integral to their future or present plans. The price shouldnt be that high.
2) That’s a good thing. As for not having much power, he has a little bit of power – he has a little bit of everything. Jack of all trades, master of none. That’s exactly the type of guy we should target. Anyone better won’t be available, of if available wont be cheap.
3) UZR has also had him great in the past. It is my belief the recent poor UZR ratings have more to do with him being constantly shuffled around (3B-1B-LF-RF-2B) than anything else. He has the tools to be a decent defender.
He is improved version of Jeff Bailey/Chris Carter. One who can play capably in either OF corner, has played some CF in a pinch and all over the infield. He has flaws, yes, but if not for those flaws he wouldnt be available. Anyone better isnt willing to be a bench player. Frankly, I have no interest in paying the prices it would take to get the guys without flaws. Teahen would be a perfect fit, and the Sox have inquired on him – its been reported multiple times, in fact.
by alskor on Jul 7, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His salary, as you mentioned, will drive down the price for us.
I meant, of course, his acquisition price. We have money to burn on salary after the Teixeira miss. Theo and John Henry have said as much. At this point in the season the obligation left to Teahen would be more like 2 million anyway.
If we do trade for a guy at the deadline I can almost guarantee he will be overpaid and we’re taking on salary. We’d rather do that than give up prospects, especially when we’re still way under budget.
by alskor on Jul 7, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’d be paying him to do something that we already have guys to do. Our bench is fine, if we trade for anyone they should be a significant improvement over what we currently have. I’d take Kotsay and his salary and solid play over Teahen and his contract any day compared to what we would be asking them to do. Just because we can afford it doesn’t mean we should. Nick Johnson (I dare rehash this argument) would be a better trade. He would cost us a little more but brings way more to the table for the price.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 7, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has plenty of value in that role
First off, he’s Lowell insurance. There’s no guarantee Lowell comes back, or comes back healthy.
Id much rather take the guy who can play a few spots in Teahen. Johnson is limited and injury prone (not to mention significantly more expensive both in term of salary and acuisition cost).
What good is Kotsay if Youk gets hurt? Teahen’s a better player and a better fit, IMHO.
by alskor on Jul 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Kotsay (via Youk) for Lowell insurance over Teahen. There is no question that Teahen is probably the better player at this point in time. But the fact remains that we already have Kotsay, a good solid player who can play 1B and OF. We don’t have to trade anything to get Kotsay and he makes significantly less, a salary more suited to the role he plays, the same role that Teahen would likely play for us. The Sox aren’t the MFY who can drop nearly 4 mil on a bench player and not think twice about it. We probably have room to add a little salary but we have to be smart about it. Teahen just isn’t worth the money as a bench player. If he were to become our regular 3B over the next couple of years then he would deserve that salary and the prospects but he is not in the Red Sox long term plans.
Also, about acquisition cost I think Johnson and Teahen may be closer in cost than you think. Teahen is a younger player on a team that has high aspirations and appears to be on the right track to a winning record over the next couple of seasons. Johnson is an older player on a team that is a very long way from winning. I think that when the trade deadline looms Johnson and Dunn will be available for whatever they can get.
If Youk gets hurt bad enough that they need to make a trade look for it to be a much bigger name than Teahan. Assuming Lowell is hurt as well they are going to be looking for someone who can fill in that production, something that neither Teahen or Johnson will be able to do. But Youk getting hurt is a HUGE “what if.” He’s a fighter and definitely appears to be over his WBC injury. He gets hit a lot, bounces balls off his feet, gets stepped on but he keeps showing up on the diamond every night. If we’re going to worry about a hypothetical major injury to Youk we should also start planning on having $4mil replacements for every position.
Also, don’t forget that Lowrie can also fill in at 3B if need be. Which may actually be our ideal situation right now the way Nick Green is playing. He has solidified his defense and I am no longer afraid every time a ball rolls in his direction. I would be fine with Lowrie, Green, Pedey and Youk manning the infield.
The point, our bench is deep enough between the vets and Pawtucket that we don’t need to give up prospects to acquire a $4mil bench player, we aren’t the MFY.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 8, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay is a replacement level player. Absolutely no pop in his bat. We can do better. Teahen is better. I strongly disagree with a lot of what youre saying. All the guys we’ve been rumored to be interested in are similar to Teahen. Atkins, for instance. He makes even more than Teahen. Those are the kind of guys we’ll be going for. Its fits Theo’s MO.
Im sure there will be a lot of unhappy people b/c those arent the sexy names… but its those guys or nothing, IMHO. Not even sure Theo will be happy with the price for those guys. Nick Johnson is another option, but the price will be too high.
Paying 3 mill for a bench player who we control going forward and can turn around and trade after the season, or keep if Lowell is toast – that does not even come close to making us the MFYs. That’s the sort of smart moves Theo is known for.
by alskor on Jul 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His salary is what Pedrioa makes next year, not worth it for a guy we aren’t expecting to be a starter. We can’t afford a bench of players with starting salaries, especially with Pedrioa and Youk’s new deals kicking in, Paps annual raise, a Bay re-signing, Ells, Lowrie, Delcarmen and all the other young players getting contracts and raises, it just doesn’t make sense. I can’t think of a single bench player on the team that would be that grossly over paid.
If Lowell goes down for the season by all means the Sox should go out and find a starter, but going on the assumption that Lowell is ready to go after his DL stint the Sox have all the bench depth they need with what we have without giving away a single prospect.
I agree that Teahen is the sort of player that Theo would get and would fit on the team. I just don’t think that Theo would ever go for him because of his contract compared to what his role on the team is and the cost of what it would take to get him, which I firmly believe won’t be cheap since he is batting better now than he has for most of his career.
Also about #3 above. His role with the team would be an all over the field sort of guy. He will be moved all over the place, exactly the conditions you believe led directly to his poor defensive ratings.
Teahen sort of player, sure. At a Teahen contract and cost, certainly not.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 8, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can’t afford a bench of players with starting salaries
Yes we absolutely can for this year (only ~$3M left), and he is under team control for next year – not signed (no obligation). He could be traded, or he could end up starting (and thus justifying his salary) if Lowell is done. He could be non tendered in the worst case.
We are way under budget for 2009. We can take on payroll and they have made comments that they plan to. Ive heard Theo on WEEI discuss how they expect to be able to get players at cheaper prices because theyre willing to take on these salaries. Sean McAdam has talked at length on the radio about how the Sox expect to be able to get a decent return in this manner. With the economy the way it is teams are very happy to dump contracts like Teahen’s.
Buster Olney:
The Red Sox are one of the few teams with tremendous payroll flexibility, so they can make any suitable deal work.
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The small handful of teams that appear willing to take on salary — the Red Sox, the Phillies, the Giants, the Mets, perhaps a few others — will be in position to dictate terms in what will be a buyer’s market.
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I 100% expect us to find a Lowell insurance player for 2010, like Teahen, who will be paid in the same neighborhood as Teahen. No way they go into the ’10 season without a backup plan for Lowell. Lowrie wont be that plan, as they arent going into next season with Green as the SS, either…
I also really think youre overestimating Teahen’s cost in terms of prospects. KC will be happy to save the cash. Id be surprised if it cost us a top 20 prospect.
by alskor on Jul 9, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC has expanded payroll nearly every year and Teahen is under team control. KC knows they are on the verge of being a decent team. I don’t expect them to just give away one of their most versatile players, which is exactly what trading a non top 20 prospect would be. He is also a sell high guy. All these factors point to a high asking price. Starting somewhere around Delcarmen +. Which leads me to, why trade away a part of a bullpen which is already showing signs of over use?
But this kid isn’t a Lowell replacement and is too expensive as “insurance.” I’m in the camp that says Lowell is done with the Sox after this season. I’m pretty sure that they are going to make a play either in free agency (not sure who is available) or on the trade market for a guy who can play third and replace Lowells production for a few years. I’m not saying I want a huge name at third. I’m just saying a player who might be better than a league average hitter who plays solid defense.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 9, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most importantly for the Lowell replacement: we need a guy who can stay healthy.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here:
Third basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Adrian Beltre (31)
Geoff Blum (37)
Aaron Boone (37)
Craig Counsell (39)
Joe Crede (32)
Pedro Feliz (35) – $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Chone Figgins (32)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Troy Glaus (33)
Mike Lamb (34)
Melvin Mora (38) – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Robb Quinlan (33)
Juan Uribe (31)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/2010-mlb-free-a.html
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 9, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of these I’d be too crazy about except for maybe Crede or Figgins, assuming we are replacing Lowell and not “insuring” him.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 10, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crede??
You want to replace Mike Lowell with a guy who hits less and gets injured even more often…?
by alskor on Jul 10, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I HAD to choose two out of that class Crede would be one. He’s one of the “younger” guys in the class. He has the bat to replace Lowells production. Health is an issue but he seems to be healthy this season. Ave blows yes but I can’t think of any other one of these guys who I would take instead, this class sucks. It’s sort of like having to choose between vomit and snot flavored starburst but cherry is your favorite.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 10, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Beltre?
He is above average offensively and elite defensively. He has been worth 4.6, 3.1 and 4.0 WAR the last three seasons and is only 31.
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-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad, I had forgotten about him. He dropped off the map after he hit 48 but has been pretty consistent since then. Like a lot of the others though, OBP worries me. Chone fits the Epstein “do it all” model but is a health concern the last two seasons.
I dont know what the sox are going to do though. Sign a guy and wait for Lars? Can Lars play third or are we moving Youk over permanently and will that be detrimental?
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 10, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1B FA, bold = interesting to me.
Rich Aurilia (38)
Russell Branyan (34)
Miguel Cairo (36)
Frank Catalanotto (36) – $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Tony Clark (38)
Carlos Delgado (38)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Ross Gload (34) – $2.6MM club option
Eric Hinske (32)
Nick Johnson (31)
Adam LaRoche (30)
Doug Mientkiewicz (36)
Kevin Millar (38)
Chad Tracy (30) – $7MM option with a $1MM buyout
Daryle Ward (35)
Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in ’09
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 10, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind a year or two of any of those three (Maybe not LaRoche) bridging to Lars or whatever corner IF comes out of the minors first.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 10, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither.
Would have to look up LaRoche, I’m not as familiar with his stats.
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1904&position=1B&page=0&type=mini
K’s a little more than league average, but he slugs a little better. A slightly above average batter.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1904&position=1B#fielding
Fielding isn’t great, but bearable. His WAR for a full season this year will be about 2, so he’s almost perfectly average.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 11, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only issue with LaRoche is that he blows the 1st half of the season and is well above average for the other half. I’d like someone to be a bit more consistent instead of having to say.. wait til late july.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 11, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind getting him now if we're going to keep Youk at 3rd for the rest of the season, though.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 11, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it.
Although Figgins would be pretty good to have too. The other option here, of course, is bringing up a yungin’. Maybe Lars progresses well over the next few months and we can keep Youk at 3B. Or, now that I’m thinking about having 1B open, maybe we could look for FA there.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just want to point out, neither Bailey or Carter can plan anywhere "capably."
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't play anywhere either.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 8, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not bring back Nomar?
Bite the bullet and buy out Lugo’s contract. Let Lowrie stay in Pawtucket and FULLY heal (finally) from his vast array of injuries until he is 100 percent ready to be our full time starting SS. Have Nomar as our starting SS, now allowing the versatile Nick Green to go back into his utility role and make a few spot starts.
It won’t take our whole farm system to get Nomah. It may only take one piece, like a Delcarmen. Personally, I hate the idea of losing a prospect….but if it means it will give time for Lowrie to fully become healthy again, and play like he did last postseason, then it would be worth it.
by Justin_Bobo on Jul 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joke?
You want to give Lowrie some rest by trading for a guy who hasn’t played a full season since 2003?? Who is hitting <.275 and is getting on base less than 3/10 times? Who has no power and no speed? That guy? Nomar is a shadow of who he used to be. Nick Green is much better than this guy.
I’m a very nostalgic guy and would love to see Nomar sign a 1 day deal with the team to retire in a Sox uniform but I do NOT want to seem him actually play for the team again.
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by Rogue Nine on Jul 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar could barely play SS 5 years ago.
That is why we got rid of him, remember. Putting him at SS now is crazy talk.
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by BTLove on Jul 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delcarmen?
I recently threatened to stalk him, ambush him and punch him in the balls repeatedly, but MDC’s worth more than Nomah (whom I remember fondly, but who is also fun to mock).
And I think Lowrie’s multitude of injuries are really just the one wrist injury which is lingering.
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 9, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowrie also got hit by a pitch in the knee, which set him back a few days.
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by BTLove on Jul 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
Garret Atkins? Plays both corner infield spots, has played 2B and LF in the majors a little but more extensively in the minors. If Mike Lowell isn’t healthy and Lowrie isn’t good first tiem after a major surgery this guy is a good fit here. FA after the season, could be had on the cheap, because he is having a terrible season.
Once again, more informed.
by jkeough on Jul 8, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, wait, we want him BECAUSE he's having a terrible season?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 8, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins and Glaus
I’m intrigued by a possible swap of Saito and Atkins, assuming he isn’t completely a product of Coors field.
I also wonder if the Cards would be interested in a Lugo (and $2M) for Glaus trade. Recently starting his 20 day rehab assignment, I read that he’s having difficulty throwing from 3B. If this holds true, he won’t be taking over for Pujols and I think his SS days are over, therefore he does St. Louis no good. St. Louis could insert Lugo at SS for a little offense at the bottom of their order for this year and next. Lowrie and Green at SS, Glaus spells Youk once a week, Lowell twice (to keep them both fresh) and as a big bat off the bench every other game. Glaus walks after this season, Lugo could patrol SS through ’10. Glaus will make about $1.5M more than Lugo the rest of ’09, another $2M means that the Cards essentially get Lugo at around $5M in ’10.
by mg050369 on Jul 11, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that trade.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 11, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theo has had an infatuation with Glaus for years...
the Sox FO thinks his power would play very well in Fenway. Lots of mistakes would turn into 2Bs and HRs.
by alskor on Jul 11, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, basically, get it done, Theo.
Lugo + a B-/C level prospect.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 12, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
there is downside to this as well:
1) Glaus is paid a bit much(11.25M – pro rata probably around 5.5? left) for that role, considering his health risks
2) Glaus is a free agent after the season, and no way we’re willing to risk offering him arb to get picks (and no guarantee he qualifies for picks)
3) Glaus can only play 1B/DH
4) Glaus might not be able to play every day for awhile
5) Even if being used as a 1B, Glaus would probably be best served somewhere he could DH a couple days a week
6) He may not be healthy enough to play at all…
7) Lugo is signed for 9M in 2010 – a lot to pay for the Cardinals
8) Lugo has a vesting option for 2011 which triggers if he gets 600 PA’s next year – so that’s another negative for St Louis.
by alskor on Jul 12, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus and Lugo clarifications
1,7) I send money ($2 or $3M) back instead of a prospect. Unless they deal Glaus to a team looking for a 1B/DH, if he can’t play 3B, he becomes a $11M albatross to STL. Lugo meets a Cardinal need and the salary/cash make him a more viable option for their ‘09 and ’10 payroll.
2) I’d let Glaus walk at season’s end unless he’s too good in Fenway, he can return to 3B in ‘10 and I could find Lowell a new home.
3) I would be OK with Glaus as just a 1B (and occassional DH) in ’09. Barring a Youk or Lowell DL stint, I wouldn’t start him more than 3 times a week. I’d rather have 3 games a week of Glaus in ‘09 than 2 games a week of Lugo in ’09 and ’10.
4,5) Not a problem if I can get 2 or 3 days a week with another day or two as a pinch hitter.
6) If he can’t play at all, it squashes any pipe dream of having him in Boston.
8) According to Cot’s site, it looks like the vesting option is 2400 PA’s for ‘07 through ’09 AND 600 in ’10. If true, it’s no longer in play.
by mg050369 on Jul 12, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many is he at so far?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 12, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be rude but...
please look it up. The information is readily available on any site that provides stats.
by mg050369 on Jul 12, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool.
I’m just lazy.
07 – 630
08 – 307
09 – 123 (as of today)
Total: 1060
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 12, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youre right on the "and"
I read it the other way without even thinking about it… kind of crazy.
I dont hate the move… always liked Glaus. I just doubt he’s healthy enough to contribute much at all… and if he is they likely can get a better return than Lugo’s contract. I dont mind this deal… my final judgment on it would rely on information we’re not privy to – like how Glaus’s health really is.
by alskor on Jul 12, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only issue he's been having is throwing, supposedly.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 12, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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