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Victor Martinez Headed to Beantown

The USA Today is reporting hat the Red Sox have solidified a deal to send Victor Martinez (C-1B-DH) to the Red Sox in exchange for ___?  Rumors include Buchholz AND Bowden.

The Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from Indians from web

I was REALLY hoping for Gonzalez or Halladay, but this trade is okay with me - excepting, of course, if the trade involved D Bard.  How about you?

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Fox Sports is saying neither Buchholtz or Bard are in the deal. Good news.

by MatthewRI on Jul 31, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Im amazed we were able to pull this off

Without giving up Buchholz or Bard. OR Bowden, Kelly, Larz, Tazawa, Reddick and Kalish.

Amazing.

by alskor on Aug 1, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

i figured it would be Masterson, Bowden and a small piece. They may regret giving up Hagadone but you have to give to get. VMart compliments the lineup very well. The question is who gets the 25th spot. Is it:

  • Kottaras – catch Wake and serve as late inning replacement if you want to pinch hit for Tek (when VMart is in the lineup).
  • 12th pitcher – Bowden, FCab, Hunter Jones or someone else?

by mg050369 on Aug 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kottaras

Has to be. If V-Mart is the sub-par defensive catcher that he is said to be, you sure as hell can’t have him catching Wakefield.

by Bloggy on Aug 1, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

with Masterson gone, we already removed that pitcher from the roster. Im a little skittsh with a 6 man pen though.

Further complicating the issue is Kottaras is out of options and would need to be exposed to waivers to be sent to Pawtucket. He probably would be claimed. Teams are always on the lookout for cheap, young, ok catchers.

I thought LaRoche would be gone for a prospect and Kottaras would stay… but then they got Kotchman. Very strange move. I like it a lot… but it definitely surprised me. I think Kottaras still stays… but I wouldnt be shocked to see him go, either… I know they do not like going with a 6 man pen.

We also still dont have a 5th OFer and with Drew already hurt we would be in trouble if anything happens to Baldelli (which it usually does). We also wanted another LHP out of the pen. I feel like Theo isnt done at all. Waiver trades are going to be easier than ever this year with no one wanting to take money (watch out for the Yanks).

by alskor on Aug 1, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is Kott out of options?

He’s only been up in Boston in two seasons.

@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.

by bdalebs on Aug 1, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not how options work

From the time you were added to the 40 man roster you burn an option year every time youre sent down. You still burn an option if you start the year on the 40 man and get sent down at the end/middle of spring training. You dont have to appear in the majors to burn an option.

Kottaras was added to the 40 man September 5, 2006. He was optioned down to Portland at that time, so that was one option. The next two years (2007 and 2008) he was sent down at the end of Spring Training. Those were his second and third option years. To begin 2009 he was out of options and couldnt have been sent to Pawtucket to begin the year w/out being passed through waivers. This was the major reason we cut Josh Bard during the Spring.

by alskor on Aug 1, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh.

Thanks for that.

@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday

by bdalebs on Aug 2, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

To summarize in a sort of simple way

There are a number of rules that steer players towards free agency/payday

1) From Draft/Signing to 40 man/MiLB Free Agency – From the time you are drafted you have a limited number of years (different depending whether you came from college/juco, high school or international signing) to be added to the 40 man roster OR you will become available for other team to select in the Rule 5 draft. You also have a set amount of years (again differing based on where you were drafted out of) before you become a minor league free agent – assuming you never get added to the 40 man. Most legit prospects get added to the 40 man rather than made vulnerable to the Rule 5 draft.

2) 40 man to out of options - From the time youre placed on the 40 man, as we discussed above, you have 3 option years. An option is “burned” in any YEAR youre sent down on “optional assignment.” This can be during spring training or even not until September. Once a team has used an option on you you can be sent down a limitless amount of times during that option year. You dont use a new option every time youre sent down – “Options” refer to years, not each time you get sent to the minors. So, again, from the time the team decides to protect your rights by placing you on the 40 man you may only be sent to the minors in 3 years. This is an over simplified explanation, of course, and in some cases certain guys have a 4th option year. This commonly occurs when a guy is optioned down three times in the spring and never actually appears in the majors during that time. I cant remember who, but a Sox minor league catcher had this occur recently IIRC.

3) Out of options/Playing in MLB to free agency - The last major driving force is that once youre out of options a team has to either make room for you (Like our buddy Kottaras) or expose you to waivers. After 5 years (simplified again – there are exceptions and convolutions to a lot of this) you can refuse assignment to the minors and opt for free agency if you arent claimed on waivers. The driving force here is economics. Your first three seasons of MLB service time you are paid near the minimum (Not year or option years here – actual service time on the MLB roster! I know its hard to wrap your head around…). If you make much more than the minimum its b/c your GM is in a nice mood or loves you, as they can renew your contract at will and raises are basically at the team’s discretion to keep you happy. By raises I mean from the minimum to half a mil or something. No one gets much. Year 4 (after youve completed 3 years of MLB service time) is your first year of arbitration. Again, there is an excepetion – the top X percentage of guys with 2 years of service time are called “Super Twos” and get limited arbitration like other 4th year players. The 5th and 6th years get very expensive as you get full arbitration and your salary is scaled to what similarly performing free agents receive (yet again, simple version here).

Youre a Red Sox fan… and that means you’re better than other fans. Its your duty to know this stuff! Learn it. Live it. Love it.

by alskor on Aug 2, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Holy

I didn’t know 40 man roster issues had that many words to attach to them. Nice.

Once again, more informed.

by jkeough on Aug 2, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yankee fan, I presume?

See if you can find someone who can read it to you and then explain it :)

by alskor on Aug 2, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, just a lazy Sox guy.

I’ll read it later. Bookmark’d.

@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday

by bdalebs on Aug 2, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

like bs.uf said

just lazy. i cant believe i come off as a yankee fan. that was like a dagger.

by revived0103 on Aug 3, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just kidding

I thought you might have been sarcastically mocking the “better than other fans” jab I took at the end : )

by alskor on Aug 4, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome stuff.

Now most of the stuff I hear makes more sense. Thanks, alskor.

@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday

by bdalebs on Aug 3, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kotchamn's going to get the roster spot at issue.

@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.

by bdalebs on Aug 1, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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