NYT: David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez on 2003 steroid list
According to the New York Times, David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez were both listed on the infamous 2003 steroid list that also includes Yankee slugger Alex Rodriguez:
Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who propelled the Boston Red Sox to end an 86-year World Series championship drought and to capture another title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according to lawyers with knowledge of the results.
If this is true about Ortiz, it is a real shocker. I'm not surprised about Manny, but with Ortiz it goes back to everything he was saying. He said he was clean, he said he never did anything illegal. I think we all believed him. Of course with his struggles this season, it may have said, "hey, I'm off the juice," but how are we supposed to know?
If this is true, this is quite sad.
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This is so upsetting...
I HOPE TO GOD THIS ISN’T TRUE… (tear) even though IK it is (tear)… EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY UPSET ABOUT THIS…
by Mike-Dub on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I’m gonna throw up… UUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH
by Mike-Dub on Jul 30, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really was the steroids era
I’d guess more players were dirty than clean, and baseball has itself to blame. It really doesn’t make a difference at this point, it’s just too bad these guys keep getting leaked one at a time.
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Schmidtxc on Jul 30, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im extremely
happy happy happy, I think i’m gonna laugh my ass off for the next week!!!!!!
by bostongrowup on Jul 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprised or upset
The Manny stuff numbed & prepped me for this kinda thing. Just tell us who ISN’T on the list already.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pokey Reese
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jul 30, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 2008 Phils
The first true champion in the new era. You guys in Boston got too smug too fast…and your titles are tainted. Ortiz was a one trick pony anyway and it was entirely predicated on steroids. and this means manny got caught at least twice this decade. The two reasons you won were both on the kool-aid, how can good do you feel about the titles now. Phils in ’08, ’09, ’10
by joem21 on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
Ibanez is soooooooo clean.
Not.
9=8
by El Rayhawk on Aug 1, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, one of them has actually tested positive.
And I’d hold off on accusing Ibanez, since he got so pissed last time.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy there fella
this is like the McCarthy era— no one knows who is on the list & please loan me your crystal ball
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with all due respect
As a die hard Phillies lifer, I couldn’t be more proud of last year’s team, but come on, your comment is ridiculous. I think the Phils are true blue and no one in our killer lineup is on the sauce, but really who are we to know? What we do know is that Romero was definitely on PEDs last year (remember? 50 game suspension?) and I’m shocked that no one has accused Lidge of being on PEDs. Seems like a no brainer to me, the guy has been atrocious this year. Kind of like he was the year before their championship run. To be so self-righteous and naive to claim that your team is the only team in baseball playing honest is just ridiculous. At any rate, go Phils. Maybe we’ll see you Sox fans in the Series…
by vanrambler on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
romero was used sooooo much in the series and you just say well we won it suck us. Man, phillies suck
9=8
by El Rayhawk on Aug 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a stupid comment
I’m sure there were plenty of phillies who’ve tested positive, their names won’t make headlines because the 2003 Phillies weren’t any good. Do you honestly believe Ibanez is clean right now??? He may not be taking anything they can test for, but I bet his urine samples are glow in the dark.
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Schmidtxc on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad Indeed
Though I can take solace knowing that it takes a team to win a championship and I can still justify our two this decade even if they were both juicing.
I just wanted to think that Papi was clean, he always came out strong against steroid use. Hard to think my favorite player on the team is tainted.
I can’t and won’t root for a player who cheats.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jul 30, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Take solace how?
You mean to tell me you think Mueller, Millar, and Bellhorn weren’t all on the juice in ‘04? You’re deluding yourself at this point. Sad.
by msford88 on Jul 30, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they were… I quit life.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jul 30, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ughhh
Manny I don’t give a sh*t about but Big Papi??? Man that really hurts :-(
Welcome to Boston Rasheed!
by C's09Champs on Jul 30, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel lilke I've been stabbed in the heart...
by Mike-Dub on Jul 30, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like a little kid on x-mas
by bostongrowup on Jul 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like u should shut the hell up before I make u!
by Mike-Dub on Jul 30, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't feed the trolls
They go away if you don’t feed them.
More casual than the average fan.
by baseball conspiracy theories on Jul 30, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not going anywhere
in fact you can look up to us in the standings, we aren’t going anywhere
by bostongrowup on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im on the corner of 29th and 7th ave.
NYC come and get me mike dubass
by bostongrowup on Jul 30, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good...
I’m gonna beat the crap out of u… Also it’s kind of funny how ur a Yankees fan and the first SBNation Blog you joined was the Red Sox and it’s the only one you are joined to.
by Mike-Dub on Jul 30, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That post is funny in a juvenile way
reminded me of David Well’s drunken call. “I am on the mofo corner!”
Pure comedy.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes because the Yankees have such a clean legacy. Roger Clemens, ARod, Sheffield…no Yankees have ever taken steroids, have they?
by Gnick on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah thats right
Knoblauch was clean, so was Giambi… completely clean.
Also check out the all clean team’s left fielder.
http://nyyankeesrumors.com/a-mock-matchup-of-steroid-users-vs-non-steroid-users/
9=8
by El Rayhawk on Aug 1, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you really be surprisped?
He spent 6 season in Minnesota barely able to hit the baggy, came to Boston and turned into the 2nd coming of Babe Ruth. Why do you think 40 home runs use to be a rare feat. I thought Ortiz was trying to play clean at the beginning of this season.
What the real shame of this list is, is someone has all the names and is slowly releasing them for max impact. Next will be a few guys that are slightly smaller stars, and then so on til we get to the .200 hitting 4A guys.
by WilmingtonNC on Jul 30, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I am no fan of ARod but always thought it was complete boolchit that his name was leaked. Anonymous lawyers leaking info, ridiculous.
I can not wait to see how some other Sox fans react to the Papi thing.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player's name wouldn't be leaked...
If he weren’t on the juice. It’s their own faults that this is what it’s come to.
by msford88 on Jul 30, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree & am not discounting personal responsibility
I still don’t think it was fair that ARod was cast out there all alone & again I am not a an of his.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
***NOT A FAN
lost the "F’ somehow
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No surprise
I’ve been wondering all year why Oritz couldn’t generate the bat speed to catch up to fastballs, guessing that maybe his “source” (Manny) was gone…..but, of course, thinking that was just worst-case scenario. It turns out it’s probably true.
Sort of taints his 2004 heroics. Oh, well, at least he cheated to beat the Yankees!!!
by ccthemovieman on Jul 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda suspected it for a while with the injuries of conective tissue and his power early in the decade
that being said it does not diminish the anger or cheap feeling that this brings out. What frustrates me the most is Ortiz’s comments about steriods and his outspoken manor on what should happen to player caught on steriods.
The worst thing for the MLB image is the fact that these neames are coming out peicemeal and not in one huge firestorm. The best case scenario would be for the MLB to leak all of the names and get this done and over with.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jul 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Say it Ain't so Papi...
This hurts a lot because I was just able to write off this slump as he had lost some bat speed and his wrist not being what it was. Turns out he was just deflated from not using anymore.
Seriously though who wasn’t on the list? At this point lets just out everyone because I think everyone deserves to know.
by sonicdeathmonkey on Jul 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just throwing this out there, but . . .
I assume all MLB players (and probably most in the minors) are using performance-enhancing drugs of some kind. And it doesn’t really bother me, for a few reasons:
1. Maybe I’m just a libertarian at heart, but I don’t really see how someone else using steroids harms me in any way. I wouldn’t recommend doing that to your body, but it’s your call to make.
2. People argue about steroids because they want to believe in baseball as a pure thing that’s somehow been tainted: when was this “pure” baseball played, exactly? The Hall of Fame is full of pitchers who used the spitter, and it’s full of players from the 70s who used amphetamines before games. S—t, there are probably .300 hitters in the game now that are only where they are because of Lasik. For better or worse, baseball has ALWAYS been about trying to gain an edge on somebody.
3. It helps to remind me that we’re all human. Most of us wouldn’t look too good if all the skeletons in our closets were revealed; ballplayers are human too, and they’re no different.
I don’t know. I don’t feel good about it. But I’m not surprised either.
More casual than the average fan.
by baseball conspiracy theories on Jul 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
4. PED’s don’t help you hit a fastball, curve, sinker, etc.
Today’s a different game than of yesteryear. You want to talk about enhancements – why not also look towards better equipment, more and more and more analysis, better training routines, medical advancements,
I’m not pissed off at Big Papi. I am more pissed that whomever has this list is giving up one player at a time. Release the whole list and be fair to other players, teams, and the fans so everyone can cope with these “new” developments at the same time and then can move on.
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by mystman995 on Jul 30, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PED's help you hit a fastball, curve, sinker
More power is crucial to generating bat speed, and to giving yourself a little bit more time to react when swinging. That’s how Barry Bonds suddenly became a .360+ hitter as he approached age 40 and walked such an absurd number of times. Peter Gammons shares responsibility for perpetuating this myth, as his loyalty to the game of baseball supercedes his loyalty to journalistic accuracy. PED’s can also help you recover faster from wear and tear, which helps you stay on the field and perform in all physical endeavors.
by jdleav on Jul 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this is the part that most interests me
“PED’s can also help you recover faster from wear and tear, which helps you stay on the field and perform in all physical endeavors.”
I have to admit I’ve casually followed the PED stuff, I didn’t know what form they came in, who has already been outed except for the big names but this comment is the most interesting one I’ve read.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
…an underreported side effect is that HGH apparently has positive side effects on vision. Which is not the greatest pro-Ortiz-is-innocent tidbit, but true…
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't really make sense...
Natural HGH helps adolescents grow, right? And most teens’ eye sight gets worse as they mature, right? I mean, I went from 20-20 a few years ago to 20-200 (likely higher) now.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that means Boston won the '04 WS clean...
because drug testing was implemented in ’04.
by dsharp on Jul 30, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is something that interests me, how stringent is the testing? Does everyone get tested and how good are the tests? Manny said he passed 15 between ‘04 and when he was caught this year. I’d like to believe that if Ortiz was using, that it stopped in ’03 after the drug tests started.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jul 30, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
that means you cheated, because without steriods for papsmear, Mariano Rivera would have closed you out in the alcs
by bostongrowup on Jul 30, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm wrong, but I though that "papsmear" was the MFY nickname for Papelbon...
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I live with a Yankees fan, papsmear is a reference for Papelbon.
Please get your names right.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jul 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we ban him or something please?
not in the mood for troll garbage
by j-ace on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im talking about bostongrowup btw
lol. not talking about… guh cant even say it :(
by j-ace on Jul 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papelbon?
We got who you were talking about – if you click the “up” button on a comment, you can see what comment it was a reply to.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the way you think...
… we started winning in ‘04 because the Yanks couldn’t improve their performances with PEDs any longer. Now it all makes sense…
=)
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oof, the trolls will be out in full force today
This makes me sad though. I knew there was a good chance for it, and I still didn’t want to believe it anyway. I may be naive for wanting a more “pure” game, but damnit I don’t care. Oh well.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, NY fans are happy
but who are they to gloat over Boston cheaters, with Clemens, A-Rod and others helping them win?
Yes, these players are disgraced but mostly, so is Major League Baseball which, which has looked the other way for decades when players cheated. It’s a tribute to how great the sport is that it could survive so many years of inept and corrupt leadership. Baseball is great but MLB is a joke.
People – beware of ANYBODY who, all of sudden, has big batting numbers when they never had them before.
by ccthemovieman on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope you all enjoyed your recent success
because its over: Manny’s gone, Papsmear is a cheater and washed up, DiceK is lost somewhere, V-tech is on his last leg, Dusty will never be the player he was last year, Lowell is washed up, Jed and ellsbury are way overated, wakefield sucks and shouldn’t have been an allstar this year, Beckett is lights out every other year, Papelbum is just annoying and will never be half of what Mariano Rivera is and was, Its amazing that Drew has been healthy so far but will that last. Bay and Youk are the only players you guys can count on, so Good luck watching the God Dam Yankees take over the AL like the good old days. Hope you bosux fans took alot of pictures since 04’ because that is all you have left.
by bostongrowup on Jul 30, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love
Yankee Fans. They make me smile. You are hilarious. Hold on let me curl up in a ball like the rest of the sox fans who let this get to them. Jeez.
Breaking News: Baseball Player used PED’s. OH MY GAWD!! MY LIFE IS OVER!! THEY CHEATED!!! HOW CAN I EVER SURVIVE??
Or They were all on PED’s. All of them. Except for Eckstein. Wait is that racist? Somebody go get Gnick.
Once again, more informed.
by jkeough on Jul 30, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand...
the God Dam Yankees
Have the Yankees formed some sort of Church of Hydroelectric Engineering?
Genius
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone is reacting as if this is conclusive evidence.
It’s not. Read the article:
“… according to lawyers with knowledge of the results.”
Were the New York Times reporters provided with the list of steroid users? No. Were they provided with documents from court proceedings indicating that Ortiz and Manny used steroids? The article doesn’t say.
This is based on heresay. Now I know that lawyers are pillars of ethics and responsibility, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that these guys made up the whole thing.
On another subject, I think releasing confidential information from a pending case is ethically suspect. If these guys had announced their names, they might be in trouble with their state BBOs. And if the information about Ortiz and Manny testing positive for steroids is untrue, it could also be cause for defamation litigation.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately...
This is the same way all of the currently reported people on the list were discovered. There are a good chunk of lawyers who have seen the list (because they are working the litigation involved), so it’s only natural someone made a copy and is leaking it, or what have you.
Plus, the NYT isn’t exactly a rag; I doubt they would publish this unless they had some damn solid evidence. Also, I imagine Ortiz would probably go after the NYT if his name wasn’t on the list.
by Cybit on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NYT has failed before
See Judith Miller. During the run-up to the war, she basically allowed her byline to become a proxy for the office of the Vice President.
Just because somebody says something is true doesn’t mean it is. Reporters will run a story because someone with knowledge of a situation says it is so. If President Obama says that the White House war room has been repainted purple, every paper would run it, without confirming it themselves.
I agree that it’s likely true, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is. But before assuming that it is true, we should ask for more evidence and investigation.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jul 30, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
The NY Times has turned into a rag with big-time agendas and many false stories……but I look at Papi’s numbers and career of late, and I can’t help think an objective fan has to admit it’s more likely-than-not true.
by ccthemovieman on Jul 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire your diplomacy E.Coli
but….
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even
Also, I imagine Ortiz would probably go after the NYT if his name wasn’t on the list.
I think he can only go after the NYT if the people contacting them had no knowledge of the list, or if no one contacted the Times. He’s a public figure, so even if its false there needs to be malice or a reckless disregard for the truth by the NYT.
I just wonder who these lawyers are? I mean, would it be DoJ? Because I don’t think anyone else would have anything to gain. Assuming its the Union’s lawyers, they’re breaching their fiduciary duty to their client and its not like they’re going to be beloved in either Boston or NY.
I bet its Rev Halofan!
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be in denial
That’s what Yankee fans did when the shit hit the fan for Clemens.
No, in an era of lawsuits, these kind of reports don’t go out unfounded. Just live with it.
by ccthemovieman on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I saw that line
but why throw those names out there? “Just because”?
If Papi is clean then he needs to say- hey I will sue for defamation not in the sidemouthed manner of Rocket. He needs to do it.
Whatever they allegedly used to keep their energy up put them on the list. I am well aware that with or without steroids I could not take Mariano Rivera deep.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz has admitted that he knew he failed the drug test.
You can now believe the drug test provided a false positive, if you like, but Ortiz has admitted that he knew he was on that list.
by jdleav on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(and seriously, I'm asking - not trying to be a dick)
Well, not to you, anyway.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is this post linked to
what are you replying to?
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ortiz admission post
Ortiz has issued a waffling denial (kinda like OJ looking for the real killers), but that’s not an admission.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he asked the union if the reports were true after he found out.
And now he told the media that they confirmed the reports.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A sad day for Baseball...
This is just bad for the greatest sport in the land. I am a Yankees fan, but having Ortiz on the list is bad for the sport. Papi was one of the bright spots in the sport.
I am truly sorry to hear about this.
by YanksFanSince64 on Jul 30, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sad day for baseball
ortiz was a nobody and then starts taking steroids and starts hitting his usual flyballs for homeruns in tht bandbox called fenway and I’m suppose to feel bad for baseball. No freaken way, its a sad day for boston and thats it.
by bostongrowup on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah, wait.
WE have a bandbox?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off...
it not like a Yankee has never done roids, Clemens, A-Rod, Giambi, yeah nope no one on the Yankees has ever done roids….
Secondly, after seeing your joke of a stadium you can’t call anything a bandbox. Only in the new Yankee Stadium could Johnny Damon become a power hitter.
by sonicdeathmonkey on Jul 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
For not being a douche like most of the other Yankees fans on here today. It is a black eye and unfortunate. I believe that steroid users should be stripped of personal accolades they receive and it would be sad to see Papi go down like that.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy above me = exhibit A
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jul 30, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn as a yanks fan i actually kinda liked papi
well when he wasn’t playing..lol
by lololol on Jul 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think the main relevant point is:
what does this mean for Papi’s abilities going forward. We all assumed he was just in a slump, but now it may well be a permanent degeneration that is causing his let-down. If so, managerial actions to soon replace him may well be in order if his slumping-injuries continue.
by NG on Jul 30, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who didn't know that!
Ramirez and Papi on roids, no surprise, #27 coming this year for NY
by Yankeesin09 on Jul 30, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHOCKING....(not)
I don’t know why this should come as a huge surprise to anyone……you don’t go from hitting 12 home runs a year to 40 home runs a year without being juiced. I was listening to Colin Cowherd ..(or, as I like to call him “Colon Cow-Turd”) and he said that he knew Ortiz was juiced for a long time…..I think it’s interesting that the news broke in THE NEW YORK TIMES!…….personally, I can’t stand the yanks or the redsucks.
by BUDBUD on Jul 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing is putting it mildly!
Putting aside the baseball side of things.
The most upsetting part of this is for me, is it painted a truly likable man as a phony. I watched an interview with Ortiz in which he was asked about steroid use. He responded by talking about how he would never dare touch them.
Why? Because he loves his kids, baseball, and his family. He would never put his health on the line because his kids don’t care how he does on the field. They just want their daddy, he would never put his health at risk and possibly take their father away from them.
When I saw that interview I believed him, I thought he was a good dad, a nice guy, and a great ballplayer.
But If he really did take steroids,what a phony……what kinda scumbag uses his kids as part of his lie!
Disappointing day….say it ain’t true.
by ruktuim on Jul 30, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sums it up nicely
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This should have been expected
As soon as Papi said that he had no way of knowing whether he had ever taken a banned substance or not, we should have been expecting this. If there was anyone on the Sox, other than Manny, that we could have reasonably assumed to be on this list, it was Ortiz. I don’t think this it for 2004 Red Sox names, though. I’m hearing Nixon, Damon, Varitek, and Foulke being floated around at the moment. I wish they would just release the entire list. Either way, these lawyers are scumbags, the whole situation is about to blow up, and it’s an unbelievably disappointing day (and week) for Red Sox Nation.
by PK7 on Jul 30, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It happens to every team...
I’m not a Red Sox fan, but I want to say I’m impressed with the general acceptance and lack of denial that you guys are showing. That says a lot about the tainted era of baseball we live in, but several times one fan base or another has gone into a bunker mentality and refused to believe when one of their stars was implicated.
By now, no team can plausibly claim that they were particularly clean over the last decade, so I wouldn’t worry much about the inevitable criticism and gloating that’s sure to come your way.
by Bad Horse on Jul 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope to God Papi owns up to this.
Only way he can save his reputation at all.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Papi want a year long ban for users
what an idiot…didn’t even know he was doing it. Because there is no way he knew he could elude this…terrible before ‘03 and terrible after enforceable punishment. can you imagine what ryan howard and chase utley could do on the juice. stop worrying about yanks/sox, Phils can’t be beat.
by joem21 on Jul 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dude
get you head out of your ass. Howard and Utley are probably on the juice, moron. How od was Howard when he broke into the league? Gee, he must have been a big-time prospect. Scuked in the minors till 24 (could’t even put up a 900 OPS at 23 in A ball) then jumped from 22 to 58 homers at 26 years old…just like Papi. And, Utley, hmmm, most middle infielders hit for that kind of power naturally and recover from surgery that fast. Douchebag.
by Buzzy on Jul 30, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phils?
Isn’t your World Series MVP David Price in the ALCS?
That’s what I though…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when..
Do the Phils and Boston have any beef? Did I miss something?
by sonicdeathmonkey on Jul 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Philly hates everyone.
They boo Santa Claus. Of course, if I had to live in Philadelphia, I’d be cranky too…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francona & Schilling maybe?
otherwise I don’t get it.
I love Philly as a city despite the ‘see the Liberty Bell, stay for the crack’ comments.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papi
just blasted a 3 run shot to dead center in the 8th over the triangle in dead center!! Eat that, haters!
by Buzzy on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obvious users?
dude, we are talking about admmitted users (Pettitte, Chuck K, Giambi, Sheffield and Arod) and guys named in the Mitchell report (Clemens, Justice). We are not talking about “obvious” users. If we were Teix, Damon, Posada (yeah-all 38 year old catchers hit like that) would be on the list too, dumb ass. It is amazing-The Yankees have the most confirmed users in history, and they gloat about other team’s players being outed. That is why they are the most hated team/fanbase in history of all sports(see the 2008 study that polled 1000,000 voters online)
by Buzzy on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1000,000
one extra 0 there-it was 100,000 voters.
by Buzzy on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHA
Red Soxs World Series wins in 04 and 07 mean nothing now. The whole team was roiding during those years it was so obvious and now its confirmed. Yes some Yankees have used roids recently cant deny that its a fact but lets just remember all those years before when we won with out any steroids or their players on this list before it all started and the red soxs still lost. Even back in the late 90’s. So again HAHAHAHAHA. Yankees first place forever a true team now get use to it. You can say 8-0 all you want and all i will reply with is 26 to 7 you got alot of catching up to do and it will be tough with no more steriods. Good Luck ;) Yankees Rule, Soxs Drool
by Nick C on Jul 30, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it means we won the World Series in 2004 and 2007.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they mean nothing sorry, barry bonds records mean nothing now so do yours HAHAHA
by Nick C on Jul 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I wasn’t aware there was a law passed saying “You must accept any douchebag’s statement as reality.” Is that a federal law or just a New York thing? Tell you what: If you want to petition Major League Baseball to change the results of the World Series in 2004 and 2007, you go right ahead junior. I’m going to do something more productive – like trying to bake a cake using the power of my mind.
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA! Great post, are you in a high altitude area? if so, be careful
I used to think that was a joke when I was kid…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
World Series victories are records?
Man, y’all MFY fans took losing that record really hard, didn’t you?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are jealous
because our steroid users help us win and your overpriced (confirmed) steriod users fessed! Enjoy!
by Buzzy on Jul 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, I'm feeling snarky and tired.
Let’s go through this step by step, almost FJM-style.
Red Soxs World Series wins in 04 and 07 mean nothing now.
Well, yes, because they aren’t giving us a better chance to win the 2009 World Series, right? That would the “now” we are talking about, right, Nick C?
The whole team was roiding during those years it was so obvious and now its confirmed.
I’m sorry, I forgot we fielded a two man team for each of those playoffs. Man, I need to go watch tape of Manny’s bloody sock Game 6, Papi’s steal of 2nd in Game 4, and Manny’s “$14 million grand slam” against the Indians. Didn’t Papi wear a jacket on the basepaths in Game 3 of the 2007 World Series because Manny didn’t want his arm to get cold?
Yes some Yankees have used roids recently cant deny that its a fact but lets just remember all those years before when we won with out any steroids or their players on this list before it all started and the red soxs still lost. Even back in the late 90’s.You know, this was ALMOST a valid point, up until that last sentence. I don’t need to go through the list of MFY that have been PROVEN to have been using during the 90’s, do I? I’m sure someone in this thread has done it for me (thank you to that poster). Plus, Maris had cows during his playing time with the MFY, and this was during the time when they still used steroids to beef them steaks up (stolen from Will Carroll’s twitter). So maybe he was using too, and the real record that you are assuming stands once you strike Bonds’s, Sosa’s, and McGwire’s stats, is ALSO tainted.
Yankees first place forever a true team now get use to it. You can say 8-0 all you want and all i will reply with is 26 to 7 you got alot of catching up to do and it will be tough with no more steroids. Good Luck ;) Yankees Rule, Soxs Drool
Yeah, no. No team will be in first place forever – that’s just not possible. You are probably going to argue, if you haven’t been banned already, that their is a chance that it could happen. Of course, this is true – everything is possible, technically. But, since we are talking about numbers here, I’m going to do the math. Over a long enough time-line, the Yanks have a 1/5 chance of winning the division in any single random year (not even going to go into the odds of being in first place EVERY day – it’s too late at night for that). Since we’re working with the infinite concept of “forever” here, we have to multiply those odds an infinite number of times. 1/(5^∞) = 1/∞ = 0.0000…1, which is universally accepted to be the same as 0 by mathematicians (which I do not claim to be). So, the MFY have literally a 0% chance of being in first place forever.
And is it our fault we’re talking about this season, which has an infinitely greater impact on who wins the next 10 games of the season series than the past 125-ish years of baseball history? And I’ve said this before, but it struck me as the quickest evaluation of your comparison: isn’t it funny that you’ve had to change OUR number of championships more often recently? Eventually, someone is going to catch up to your “record” of championships; that’s the beauty of counting stats. Neither team will have steroids now, so it will be a relatively more level playing field now.
Thanks for your parting goodwill gesture, even if you followed it up with childish jab. I hope that our teams both enjoy success now and in the future so that you have a front row seat for every championship we win, inching closer to your cherished record and eventually surpassing it. GOOD DAY SIR.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And someone please slap me for giving a troll that much time.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*slap* and a rec'd
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny
Was at the Cards-Dodgers game today. Manny got quite a loud serious of boos. In fact I think I was literally the only person in the stadium cheering my lungs out for him.
by Gnick on Jul 31, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals fans booing Manny?
That is pure comedy; see McGwire but then again, “I’m not here to talk about the past.”
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 31, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe the fact that he's the other team's player and is pretty good?
We all boo Jeter, right?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 31, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So... no real titles since 1918
Sucks. How do you live with that as a City? Think of all that false joy that came with winning by cheating.
Back to the drawing board i guess.
I bet Theo knew all along.
by rosebud on Jul 31, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Rose Bud My Point Exactly and Man you guys are fun to piss off you get so uptight
I see why you liked doing it to us so much so now its our turn. Its funny you loved to attack The Yankees and the fans when the Mitchel report came out from a guy who was a Boston fan (so of course there was gonna be some bias) pretty much saying all new york guys they could because the two main contributors for that report were trainers in new york. So of course there will be more new york names on that list. If it added trainers from all teams there would be a lot more names on that list including half of the red soxs teams as well. And when i said pretty much the whole red soxs team was using i was not kidding stats prove my point don’t believe me look at the changes in number. that doesnt happen over night for a few years than just die like they have now. Your hitting coach wasnt that good. So again if you cant see that then your just a very one sided very ignorant mind. Facts speak louder than my words ever could. So again you have not really won a title for a long time. Yea you cheated and won but did you really win? NOOOO. All those homeruns and hits were helped very much. Yes we cant take those titles away but they will forever be tainted. Like the astrik that should be next to Bonds Records. So for now we will kick you why your down like you would to us soo many times =) and just keep replying to this it makes me laugh.
by Nick C on Jul 31, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Facts, like, I don't know, not having tested positive (yet, I will admit)?
Wait for the list to get revealed to start saying the WHOLE team was using.
And players have peak years and fall off all the time. I’m pretty sure at least a few more players on the 2003 team were using, simply because it’s seaming like a large percentage of players were. I’m also pretty sure, for the same reason, that every other team had it’s share of users. So, how exactly does that “taint” the championships? And I’m going to keep replying because I don’t want to encourage ignorance.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 31, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2000 Yankees (and probably 1996-1999).
Nuff. Said.
by Buzzy on Jul 31, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
k Just a name a few with no steriods on those teams.... There legit get over it you guys cant stand to be proved wrong
Jeter, Tino, Posada, Girardi, Bernie Williams, Paul O’Neil, Andy Pettitte Pre injury when he addmited to it, David Cone, David Wells, Orlando Hernandez, Shane Spencer, Marino Rivera, Mike Stanton, Jeff Nelson, Scott Broucis, Soriano ……………….
I just wanna add one more thing to as a giant fan and it just never gets old 18 WINS and ONE GIANT LOSS HAHAHA you can never live that down
by Nick C on Jul 31, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
funny
Andy Pettitte Pre injury when he addmited to it-yeah, like Pettitte admitted to it before the fact. Like we believe that he never took before that. Like your 1996 season, saved by Pettitte, is not tainted too. That’s about as realistic now as me saying that Ortiz didn’t take in 04 and 07 because he passed tests. Posada, hmmm, most catchers have their best offensive years at 35 and continue to hit like that at 38. Yeah, he was/is clean. You can’t even spell Brosius, so I won’t go there. Would you be surprised if Bernie, O’Neil or Tino took? Wait till the more names come out (even if O’Neil retired before the 03 tests). It is one thing to take the position that this now proves your team cheated as well (which you would have had to be an idiot not to know) but don’t tell me you think the 90’s Yankees, at the height of the steroid era, were clean teams. And don’t tell me I don’t like to be proven wrong. See my comments on your site-posted Feb 8, 2009 7:47 PM EST
http://www.pinstripealley.com/2009/2/8/752945/terminate-a-rod-s-contract#12076924
Am I some sort of sage genius? No-I am just realsitic. Maybe you should be too.
by Buzzy on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you go:

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah hello
George Mitchell he’s a person with no bias as a member of the Red Sux board. Great source to quote. A tax and spend politician.
1918 !!!
Enjoy it.
by 26Timer on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, he may have focused on the MFY more than anyone else.
Does that change the fact that they were still cheating?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 31, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO
When posada fails a test let me know ill gladly take that back and i am not syaing the report was fake or innaccurate all i am saying was there a little bias. Espically since the sources where two trainers for the new york teams. So what i cant spell brosius all you did by saying that and nothign else was prove that another great player the yankees had was not on roids. And i would be suprised if tino bernie and all of them came up on the list they never hit for power or anything the difference was that was an actual team then they won games the hard way which they seem to have forgot when they statred getting all the steriod players from other teams AROD Giambi Clemens all those names not true home grown yankees. Yes they were on the team i cant stop that but they came in as users. Out of my list you could only pick on 2 names really one has never tested postive and the other only did after his injury.
by Nick C on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny & Ortiz aren't home grown
is that the criteria now?
FYI – not all Sox fans root for the Bruins, Pats & Celtics, etc ( New England teams) as I am sure all Yankee fans don’t root for ALL of the NY area teams. Narrow your insults a bit/stay on focus. What is your argument anyway? The WS wins don’t count now? That dog don’t hunt my friend and you know it.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I am sure all Yankee fans don’t root for ALL of the NY area teams.
No indeed, many of them are passionate, life-long Bulls Spurs Lakers fans and Cowboys Broncos Rams Steelers fans. Really, that’s what the recent obsession with Boston is all about – frustration when you can’t buy the latest championship jersey because a REAL New York sports fan might jump you in a darkened alley…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do
you not see the fallacy of your argument? What is the difference between Ortiz and Pettitte? They both are known to have used at at least one time, and neither has ever failed a test after the manditory testing. Neither is “known” to have used during their team’s championship years. Do I belive they are clean? No-but that is not the point. Same thing at this stage, until someone fails a test. Tino hit 44 homers one year, and Bernie 39. That is not a lot? Dude-wake up and get out of your protective delusional haze.
by Buzzy on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Take (after not reading most of the comments);
I do not care. At all. If anything, this only bugs me because I have to read all of the shit that the mediots and the trolls are going to write.
Let’s get a few things straight: Many of these drugs were not against the rules in 2003. Again, these players were allowed to take many of the drugs that would produce a “positive” result. There was no enforcement and no threat of penalty for using these substances.
Years ago, David Ortiz said something like,“I don’t know what I took, but we all just drank ‘shakes’ with things in them.” These guys took things without them being approved because it did not matter if they were approved. Everybody took something.
Players have been hopped up on amphetamines since the 1950’s. Chipper Jones said the ban on “greenies” would have a much bigger effect than the ban of steroids. And HOF’ers like Ralph Kiner, Willie Mays and Willie Stargell have all talked about their amphetamine use. Something like 50-80% of guys used the stuff. And no one cares about this? But they were allowed. It was banned in 2006, so should we go back and talk shit about every player that ever used them? No, obviously not.
All of this is just a way for the NYT to sell more papers. They will leak a new name whenever they need a new story and keep doing it until no one cares (which already seems to be happening). All of these guys will write columns questioning the “sanctity of the game” and talk about how pure the game was back in the day. But they are all full of shit. Every era has its own stains, its own bizarre circumstances that have changed performance. But its all a bunch of bull.
And the whole, Sox v. Yanks, who used them more is dumb too. Let’s all just assume that every team in that era had many, many players you used steroids. Once you come to that realization, you will not be crying or tearing and you can just go back to enjoying baseball.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 31, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And there's more:
Let’s all stop pretending we would not have done the same thing. If I was an okay and baseball player, and juicing would turn me into a $60M player. Fuck yeah, I’d use them. For Papi, this might have been a choice between having enough money to take of your entire extended family (from a fairly impoverished country) and not being able to provide for them. You really expect players to look around, see many others gaining an edge, and just let themselves fade into mediocrity? Let themselves be run out of the game and millions of dollars? C’mon.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And the whole, Sox v. Yanks, who used them more is dumb too
Not in the least because I think our two teams were the most prone to paying big free-agent money for mammoth long-ball hitters. If someone has a right to be pissed its not either of our teams…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
REPLY FAIL
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tainted
Your “championships” are now forever tainted. Blacksox – Redsox What’s the difference?
The curse lives on …. 1918 !!!!!
by 26Timer on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
They intentionally threw a World Series. If you can’t see the difference between that and two players taking performance ENHANCING drugs, then I’m not entirely sure you understand the point of baseball.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 31, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and one more thing
If yo cant take what you dish out then keep your mouth shut. Maybe not all of you but most of you red sox fans loved to dis the yankees once they were caught on steriods and now you cant handle it coming back your way. Its all its not true it was a protein shake not real steriods. come on really just know you had this comming when you kept ripping on our guys. No take it like a good little b*&c^ like all the red soxs and there fans are
by Nick C on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Find me proof that any of the commenters on this thread said ANYTHING about ARod or the other guys.
We are not “most” Red Sox fans – OTM is filled with great people who love the Sox and baseball, and who wouldn’t stoop to taunting fans when they’re down.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 31, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
admittedly i was giddy
when the mitchell report came out and the scumbag roger clemens was outed. but after that, i actually thought a rod was being treated unfairly, even if i thougt he was a ninny and a choker. but the arod thing really got me sick of the way the media was treating the whole steroids thing now and i just want it to go away. when even manny (a guy that i NEVER thought wouldve been smart enough, or cared enough, to take steroids) i realsed hey canseco was probably right, 80-95% of the league probably were using steroids. if thats the case, and theres juiced up pitchers throwing to juiced up batters, then wheres the advantage? at the beginning, it was a cause for moral outrage cause we thought a few guys were cheating. but now everyone was using this to enhance their performance. i understand that we dont want to condone steroid usage so as not to pressure the youngsters, but can we then at least stop trying to put asterisks on all the players and teams who do get outed as steroid users? yankees, red sox, i dont care. just like im sure you yanks fans were stoked when the yanks won those championships in the nineties, the 04 and 07 championships meant a lot to us, and cant we all just be allowed to enjoy it? or am i just an idealist
by j-ace on Jul 31, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Although I still want baseball history to be divided up into more eras than deadball and liveball/modern. When I’m trying to teach my kids about baseball and it’s history, I want to be able to direct them to sources that will give them the whole story, since I will not be able to remember everything they want to know. Hell, I’ll probably need to remind/educate MYSELF about most of baseball history in the future, and I’d want to know what the context was to the players and stories.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're talking to the wrong audience.
I’m not sure anyone on here spent any time “dissing” the Yankees about steroids; I know I did not. But, judging by the way all of the Yankee fans have behaved on this thread, one would believe that all of you are thoughtless fools. But I do have some friends that are Yankee fans, so I know that there are some of you that can speak rationally and thoughtfully about Yanks-Sox issues. Those people enjoy baseball; you, on the other hand, seem to enjoy mean-spirited, one-way banter that at best makes us all only mildly dumber.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Aug 1, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh how high minded of you...
The curse lives on ….. 1918
by 26Timer on Aug 2, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, you're acknowledging that you're acting like a dbag?
@bs_uf15bosox9be The Original Gameday
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 2, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I'm mocking you.
Typical artificial high mindedness of the new englander. Laughable really.
by 26Timer on Aug 3, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How funny, as neither I nor BTLove live in New England.
If our World Series don’t count because two guys have been confirmed as cheaters, then no one’s should.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read
" "Before (2004), none of us paid attention to what we took," said Arroyo, who said he started to take androstenedione in 1998, when he was in Pittsburgh’s farm system. "That’s why I said anybody could be on the list. Back then, nobody knew what was in the stuff, because the (Federal Drug Administration) wasn’t regulating all of it." "
by j-ace on Aug 1, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
Interesting that ESPN took a different quote out of that.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well espn sucks
:p
except simmons of course
by j-ace on Aug 1, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's usually pretty horrible too.
It’s just funny how people claim them to be Sox-biased, and yet they choose to pull quotes that make Papi look bad, or so it seemed to me.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 1, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i think
certain writers, like olney and gammons, are very pro-theo, and also because of their connections with the boston front office tend to write about them more.
exposure + praise = perception of espn loving the sox? thats my thinking
by j-ace on Aug 1, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
That and them being in New England.
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