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Report: Sox, Jays not close on Roy Halladay trade

Remember: no matter what it looks like, in the end it has to happen.

According to the Globe's Tony Massarotti, the Red Sox and Jays are not close on a Roy Halladay trade:

For all of the talk and rumors emanating from this negotiation, multiple baseball sources indicate that the sides are not close to a deal. According to one source, the Red Sox have had nothing more than exploratory discussions with the Blue Jays and have given no indication that they will even make an aggressive offer. The chances of a deal currently seem extremely remote, though there is always the chance that talks will intensify just before 4 p.m. tomorrow, when teams like the Red Sox are likely to use the deadline as a leveraging point.

Also, the Herald's Sean McAdam writes the teams haven't spoken in three days:

But if the Red Sox felt the Lee deal put them in position to swoop in for Halladay, they had a funny way of showing it. A source with direct knowledge of the talks between the Jays and Red Sox said last night there had been no contact between the teams over the last three days.cw0

Moreover, a major league source, when asked if a deal was there to be made between the two sides, answered: "I’m not sure."

Boy, it seems like it's dead ... or is it?

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Here's the thing: as we all know, it ain't over till it's over. Meaning, it ain't over until the trade deadline is officially over. That means at least 15 minutes after the clock strikes deadline. Remember last year? Remember when Manny Ramirez was traded literally minutes before the deadline? That could always happen again.

So who knows what we'll see tomorrow? The Jays could come out and say, "Roy Halladay is staying a Toronto Blue Jay." Then all of a sudden we can get reports of a team making a last-ditch effort that is good enough -- but I don't think that will be the Red Sox.

I think Halladay will be staying put. Although I'm sure he'd love to have a better offense behind him (1-3 in his last seven starts with a complete game and a 3.00 ERA), he might just have to stick it out.

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Better Offence behind Halladay in Boston?

Previous post says Halladay might like it in Boston with “better offence” behind him. Attention Boston Fans, your offence is not much to take into the post season right now. Look ahead of you to New York and how far ahead the move each day now. As for numbers and how they compare to Toronto take a better look. Team batting average is .269 for Toronto and .263 for Boston. ERA? 4.14 Toronto / Boston 4.08. How about Homeruns? 117 for Boston and 114 for Toronto. Slugging? .439 for Boston and 433 for Toronto. So Boston fans, the Sox need help! I would not get too smug about Boston’s supposed lofty position. With your now Toronto-like numbers you are headed for a Jays-like record if the bats don’t wake up.

by Jays Fanatic on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Correction

Sorry BoSox fans, I got it wrong. Toronto actually has more dingers than Boston. MLB.com says Boston has 117 and Toronto has 114. Even worse than I said. Looking ahead I project New York then Tampa followed by Boston and (you guessed it) Toronto duking it out for third place— with Halladay still pitching with the blue birds.

by Jays Fanatic on Jul 30, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it's the same as you said....

But once our offense starts going again, I feel confident that we will at least getting the Wild Card.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sox's wOBA is .344, Jays' is .335

Not a HUGE difference, but a difference all the same.

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by bdalebs on Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not gonna happen

The problem right now is a slumping offense, not the pitching. The Sox have allowed the fewest runs in the league overall, but the offense has been mordant since the ASG (and some players for longer). Realistically, there’s nothing you can do to force players to play at or above their levels.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jul 30, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

this is becoming sorta Farve-ish. Manny-ish? Except Halladay isn’t being an annoyance.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Halladay

Yanks get him to replace Wang for a bunch of prospects and maybe a vet or two like Nady, Hinske, or even Swisher……..it COULD happen. Joba or maybe Pettite or maybe Sabbathia goes into the playoffs as a reliever.

by dudman72 on Jul 30, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF?

Nady – DL, out for the season, is a FA this offseason
Hinske – they just acquired him for chicken feed
Swisher – doesn’t have a ton of value.
Any MFY deal to get Halladay starts with Joba + Hughes, likely includes Montero.

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by bdalebs on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

How?

How can the Yanks get Halladay without giving up Joba? Nady – isn’t he on the DL? Swisher- pfffffffft!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jul 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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