Do Not Count the Red Sox Out for Blockbuster Move
by reversecursing on Jul 23, 2009 2:18 AM EDT
30 comments
When the Red Sox acquired Adam LaRoche today, it was more than acquiring a left-handed power hitting first baseman. It allowed Theo & Co. to keep their top prospects for a possible blockbuster deal.
I'm sure Theo is done looking to acquire any more first basemen. Victor Martinez isn't happening. Adrian Gonzalez is not even available. The trade for LaRoche insured those things.
Before I even begin about this, I don't want to come across as some bandwagon Red Sox fan who is jumping off the edge. I thought there was absolutely no need for a SP two weeks ago. I was concerned about a hitter, but now, this is a serviceable Plan B.
Theo is very concerned about the starting pitching. Outside of Beckett and Lester, the rotation ERA is 6.31. Smoltz has not preformed. Penny wasn't anything special when he was winning and now that has stopped. Daisuke will be out until September. Wakefield just got placed on the DL.
Look at Theo's comments about the price of prospects and about making another impact-type deal. He certainly sounds like he's going to definitely at least look into things.
Do I think a deal for a pitcher is going to happen? Probably not. But I think the Red Sox are going to look hard into Roy Halladay.
Here's my pipe dream :
Blue Jays trade Roy Halladay & Vernon Wells to the Red Sox for Clay Buchholz, Jacoby Ellsbury, Justin Masterson and Casey Kelly (Blue Jays wanted a stud SS, and Kelly can pitch or play SS for them).
The Sox would be able to pick up the salary from Wells and that would replace another top prospect.
I sure would like to see these Sox in the playoffs:
1. Pedroia 2B
2. Drew RF
3. Youkilis 3B
4. Ortiz DH
5. Bay LF
6. Wells CF
7. LaRoche 1B
8. Varitek C
9. Green SS
1a. Halladay
1b. Beckett
3. Lester
4. Smoltz
I know I'm outside my mind, but I'm not jumping off of the edge.
0 recs |
30 comments
Email
Print
Comments
Wow.
No chance that trade happens. The Sox would never do it.
Vernon Wells has one of the 2 or 3 worst contracts in baseball. His value is so low, that anyone who agreed to take on his contract could probably get Halladay for free. We would never downgrade ourselves at CF, give up three of our best young arms and take on the worst contract in baseball for a year and a half of Roy Halladay.
If this is your dream, I will assume you are a Jays fan.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 23, 2009 2:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh no..
Another crackpot. Seriously guy? Forget the Halladay part (whom I would enjoy having on this team immensely) but why would you trade for a guy (Wells) with a terrible contract and he’s declining!!
2010~12.5 Mil
2011~23 Mil
2012~21
2013~21
2014~21
Holy Crap! We would have to pay him $96.5 Million and $21 Mil each at 34/35 Years Old. Plus he is a career .330OBP guy. That is barely passable but unless we are completley going away from the plate discipline of the past 6 years then his 2-1 K to BB ratio is terrible!!! And his career UZR is close to -7. Seriously he may be the worst starting center fielder in the bigs. This would be only a good trade if the Jays ate 96.5 million of his contract, and paid for Halladay’s extension and Beckett’s too.
Ridiculous.
RANT!
Once again, more informed.
by jkeough on Jul 23, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crackpot = reversecursing, right?
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 23, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my god!
i cannot believe he is almost in A-Rod territory for salary.
by revived0103 on Jul 24, 2009 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
A-Rod makes $32 million this year and $31 million next year. Wells is being paid like A-Rod will be in his late 30s-early 40s.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta admit my mistake
I just thought if we were able to pick up the contract then we could avoid giving up another top prospect. It’s not like Ellsbury has been so lights out that we shouldn’t be talking about it. I totally overestimated the prospects in that deal.
But my thoughts are not wrong:
Count us in!
"Why not us?"
by reversecursing on Jul 23, 2009 3:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please
don’t use Nick Cafardo (he who maketh a lot stuff upeth) as your source to inspire big trades. And I like the team as is anyways. Halladay is just a dream.
Once again, more informed.
by jkeough on Jul 23, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Halladay is a dream,.
But Theo would never take on the Wells deal.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 23, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upeth?
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 23, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, you overvalued the prospects...
And you thought they were worth Wells’ contract? You realize that Wells’s contract by itself costs so much that it would require roughly 6 seasons of Doc to make it worth trading for both of them.
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 23, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not
saying it’s gonna happen. Not sayin it isn’t.
What package would you make for Halladay?
"Why not us?"
by reversecursing on Jul 23, 2009 4:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't, unless Bowden plus lower tier prospects got it done, which it wouldn't.
Our starters have been great – worth 38.5 pitching Runs Above Average.
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 23, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From a Canadian
As a Canadian, I can tell you that taking on Vernon Wells is the worst idea ever. There are Blue Jays fans all around me, and there are not pretty things said. Getting locked into that contract (and are jkeough’s numbers accurate???? That’s crazy!) for a guy on the slide like Vern would be team suicide.
by Bloggy on Jul 23, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wells contract (per Cot's)
7 years/$126M (2008-14)
- - signed extension with Toronto 12/06
- - $25.5M signing bonus (paid in 3 $8.5M installments, March 1 2008-10)
- - 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M
- - full no-trade clause
- - Wells may opt out of contract after 2011
Wow. Just… wow…
Based on that, we should be able to get Halladay and Travis Snider from the Jays for Cris Carter, Kris Johnson, and by distracting Riccardi with a shiny piece of tinfoil.
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 23, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 23, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy
He has a no trade clause? WTF was J.P. smoking? There is no way Wells ever opts out, ever.
Once again, more informed.
by jkeough on Jul 23, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I never got the impression that J.P. was as flat-out retarded as he appears to be. For example, I understand that it would be a distraction, but not allowing teams to even sketch out extension talks with Halladay undercuts his ability to get the Pujols-load of prospects the Jays seem to want for him.
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 23, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just
Makes no sense at all. Was Wells so great that he had all of the leverage? I mean they controlled costs with him for 2008/2009 but then backloaded the contract so much they literally may have eliminated themsleves from contention until after 2014. With one deal! The other thing is that they have all these defferred payments, it looks like they are paying him for 15 years!!
Once again, more informed.
by jkeough on Jul 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he did
He looked like a great bat at a premier defensive position… and it was assumed he would leave as soon as his contract was up and go home to Texas.
They got all worked up over losing their “best” player and paid him for past performance and a career year.
by alskor on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pipe dream = emphasis on pipe?
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 23, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On another topic
why do people go all gaga over VMart? Sure, he is a decent hitter, but not a great hitter. He is a 360 wOBA guy. Big deal. He is 30, has a history of injuries, and does not project to be an asset in the field. He is a good player, but not worth the bother. I can see why people are so excited by AGon (better general offense, much better power, decent glove, younger…) but in all of the fantasy deals people toss out, why is Martinez such a prize?
by Buzzy on Jul 23, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
B/c he's the sexy deal.
One big reporter mentions his name, it gets spread like wildfire. AGon rumors were more the doing of the fans, I think.
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 23, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez may eventually be moved. But it won’t happen this season. I’d love to see Gonzalez on the Sox because he’s in his prime now.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VMart is a great hitting catcher,
but not 1B/DH. The only way he is worth what they would ask is if he were to play catcher almost full-time, which would not happen with the Sox. This is why I severly doubt he is even on our radar; simply, he is worth much more to the Indians than to us.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 24, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, let me get this straight...
You want to take on a top pitcher for 1+ seasons and one of the worst contracts in baseball for:
- A cost controlled pitcher with #1 upside.
- A cost controlled center fielder with top speed.
- A cost controlled reliever/swingman.
- A top prospect.
Is this a pipe dream for the Sox or JP Riccardi? I’m not sure I would do Halladay and Wells for Buc straight up.
by mg050369 on Jul 25, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
