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I'm not getting a good feeling about this team


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This is the team that we have. I can't see any changes that we could make by the end of the month that would make us any better. On paper, everything looks great. Maybe a lefty in the pen, but our starting line up is going to be the one that will have to take us to the post season, and I'm not feeling good about that right now. Francona showed again what, in my opinion, is his achilles heel; he still leaves his pitchers in too long. I agreed with Smoltz going out for the 6th, but as soon he allowed the third run he should have been out of there. The pen shut them down for the last 2 1/3 innings. Our offense is non existent and it's been this way for several weeks. We should have won 8 of our final 10 (home stand) before the All Star break and who can forget the debacle in Baltimore. Maybe Bucholtz needs to come back up and Penny or Smoltz needs to go away. I really can't fully blame the pitchers if they're not going to get any run support. Anyway, I'm just venting because we've been losing embarrassingly lately. And it was starting before the break.

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"Francona showed again what, in my opinion, is his achilles heel; he still leaves his pitchers in too long. "

Yup. He is getting paid to know how to manage these resources, and it seems pretty obvious that 5 innings is Smoltz’s current limit. Why not live with that reality and maybe have a chance to win. Besides that, the offense is only borderline, and this year is indeed beginning to look like 2006.

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

2007 and last year also looked like 2006 to you.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 21, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, 2006 showed an early success, but

a second half collapse. Indeed, the sox lost a series in Seattle in July, and never recovered to anything close to a championship caliber team.

The next few weeks will show just what we are dealing with this year as to whether this team is building momentum as in 2004 and, 2007 or running out of it as in 2006.

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

We also had the injury bug bite hard in 2006.

Tek being the main example.

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt, but

there is always a “but” don’t you know.

This year is worse than the injury potential on 2006 because this year, it is old age among some of our big traditional players that is causing the trouble. That kind of trouble is not likely to go away. Specifically, Papi, Lowell, and Varitek (and I guess you could throw in Smoltz although he is not traditional) are over the hill, and it will be tough for them to perform well for any extended period down the stretch. I don’t know that there is too much we can do now, but we dam well should be building for a near future without any of these old guys!

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's called having a farm and drafting.

We’re fine. This will likely be the last or second to last season with many of the old guys.

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

NG, go back and read your posts

You are always talking about inevitable collapse. Here’s a random sampling of your Chicken Little routine over the years:

6/30/08:

When they win, I feel content.
It is when they lose that I get frustrated and want to do somethng about it. I feel better stating what I see going wrong. Maybe this year will be like last year, but more likely from what I have seen recently, it will be like the year before last when the Sox just collapsed from mid July on!

7/2/08:

Take off your rose colored glasses folks, as this
is not now a champion caliber team I really do hate to say! They hung in there last year to win, but the year before they collapsed in July and were never competitive. This year seems more like 2 years ago unfortunately!

6/2/07:

Are the Sox about to slide??
I have been watching the Sox for well over 40 years, and I am beginning to see trouble. The manager seems to be staying with “off” pitchers much too long and seems to be giving up games instead of yanking a failing starter. Why??
Also at least 3 players are not htting to the level needed to win a championship (Lugo, Crisp, and especially Drew). I predict that today is the critical day in the entire season because unless they Sox win big today, their slide will start as has happened so often. I just can’t figure for sure if the poor performances in the last week or so are due to poor managing or just not enough talent to maintain the momentum??

I believe that may have been your first ever post on OTM.

6/14/07

Re: Fingers OFF the Panic Button. …however…
The traditional “slide” for the Red Sox is likely due to the shallowness of talent most years compared to perenial champs, IMO. The Red Sox just don’t buy or keep the amount of talent they need to sustain momentum throughout a long season, as the Yankees can. Championship teams probably need above average pitching, which the Red Sox currently do have for a change, but they also need no more than maybe one <225 hitters. The Sox have way too many of these, and yes somethings needs to be done, or they will slide off the championship end just like last year and many others such years!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 21, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So??

There is very clear precedent for such a collapse in 2006, and I see very similar correlations this year to that year. If you think not, so state why, but just do not make believe that this team can not or is not collapsing. I think it may well be because of age related problems, some lack of hitting talent, and some weaknesses in starter pitching (in that order).

Heck, let the team begin winning big and consistently, and I will back off. But until that happens, you have got to admit that this team is in trouble now!

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are so silly.

I am sorry, but when I am having a crappy day and I see the moronic drivel that you post, I can’t be nice. What correlations do you see? Above and in the recent past you seem to be implying some magical correlation with our WL record against Seattle, as if that has anything to do with anything. News flash-The Sox had essentially the IDENTICAL record against Seattle in 2006 as in 07. We are a different team completely than the 06 team. All OF positions are different, half of the infield is different, the bench is entirely different, and more than half of our pitchers are different. Just because losing makes you think about 06 does not mean anything. We could finish first or last this year, but your 2nd grade analysis of the situation will not inform anyone as to why. If you flip a coin 5 times and it comes up heads all five, do you think it is a trick coin?

Please, over the weekend I pleaded with you to stop watching. For the enjoyment of all who like to come here from time to time, take that advice. I am starting to wish the Sox win more to keep you off the computer than for any other reason, and that is sad.

by Buzzy on Jul 21, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No! Don't you see!?

In 2006 we lost at least 37 games, and this year we’ve already lost 37 games! Don’t you see!? In 2006 Terry Francona was our manager, and this year he’s our manager too! Don’t you see!? In 2006 Theo Epstein was our GM, and this year he’s our GM again! Don’t you see!? The similarities are too numerous to ignore.

Consider this: in 2006 we scored 820 runs. This year we’ve only scored 475 runs! We’re worse than the 2006 team at this point, isn’t that obvious? We need to blow this team up, trade for Michael Young who looked great in one game against us, and Roy Halladay, and Victor Martinez, and Adrian Gonzalez, who needs a farm system? Prospects are just that, prospects, they never amount to anything, major league stars just appear out of thin air, and no prospect ever amounted to anything.

Oh, and I know this ruins the previous two paragraphs, but I’m sorry if that’s a bit harsh, I’m just tired of it all.

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 21, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Anyone Believe Me Now?

I’m glad that I could get this debate going because, in my opinion, too many fans are living in denial right now. Look at what happened again tonight. I know that hindsight in 20/20, but we are over half way through the season and Tito is still leaving his pitchers in too long. I’m starting to wonder what kind of advice he’s getting from Farrell, who I’ve never been a big fan of by the way. Beckett should never have gone out for the 7th, or Tito should have been readsy to pull him after the first base runner. In the end he gave up runs in the 7th and 8th which left our impotent offense no chance to come back. You need to look at what your team is doing offensively and use your pen accordingly. The pen shut the Rangers down for 2 1/3 innings last night. I really see us starting to collapse and it pains me to have to say so. We’re playing with no sense of urgency. They should have realized that they had to play hard comiing out of the break with the Yankees having a home stand with Baltimore as one of the teams they were playing. It looks like we’ll be fighting for a wild card spot and then they need to look at gutting this team in the off season. We really did nothing to improve this team during the winter. We signed an old has been pitcher who was not going to be ready until the second half of the season and look where it’s gotten us. We relied on a second year guy to be our man at SS and look what happened with that. And please don’t give me the Pedroia analogy as a rebuttal because Lowerie is no Pedroia. He is not all star caliber and that is what you need at SS if you plan on being a championship team. You can also call this season the curse of Texciera (spelling?). We should have gone after him with more vigor that we did. We had no problem paying all of that money just for the right to talk to Dice K and look where that’s gotten us. It took us the whole first half of this season to finally put a batting order together. We have simply not gelled this season and I don’t see it happening. Ortiz is terrible; Bay is showing that he can only hit a fast ball; Ellsbury needs to get on base if he’s going to be effective; Drew is way too patient at the plate. He’s not a lead off hitter and he needs to swing the bat. Lowell’s lateral movement in the field and his speed in the base paths are both non existent. I can go on and on. And you’re right; if they go on a 10 game winning streak I’ll be happy as hell. But until that time comes you have to blog about what is going on and this is what is going on with this team. Get well soon, Rem Dog.

by 75bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone believe you now?

How ’bout no?

We take Beckett out in the 7th and….oh, yeah. We still lose.

We should have gone after him with more vigor that we did. We had no problem paying all of that money just for the right to talk to Dice K and look where that’s gotten us

So, your plan was to do it again. BRILLIANT.

Drew is way too patient at the plate. He’s not a lead off hitter and he needs to swing the bat.

Part of the lead off hitters job is to take pitches and work counts so the team can see what the pitcher’s got. A lead off hitter is SUPPOSED to be patient.

And so on…and so on…

by Bloggy on Jul 22, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoying the Debate.

1. You go into the 8th and 9th innings down by one or two runs and your team has a chance to wun.

2. Yes. You pay the money for Texciera. Look at what he’s doing for the Yanks. Stats don’t lie.

3. Drew never should have been batting at the top of the order in the first place is what I was getting at. He’s an RBI producer and is NOT a base stealer.
4. And on…..And on….And on….And on.

by 75bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beckett’s pitch count was very manageable…and he’s one of the best best pitchers in the game. It’s easy to say in hindsight that he “should have” been taken out because he gave up a run, but any one of the bullpen guys could have given up two hits and a sac fly as well. I’ve got no problem with staying with Beckett and saving your bullpen for when you need them. Beckett kept the Sox in that game. The bats were the problem.

Texeiera is having a good year. This year. Hitting in a park that has fans or something blowing baseballs out of the ballpark. How long is he locked into the Yanks for big bucks? Eight? Ten? I can’t remember. Long damn time. The Yankees have been overpaying free agents for the past decade with zero championships. We’ve been playing it smart and have two since ’04.

The sole purpose of the leadoff guy isn’t to steal bases. Base stealing is good, but it’s also and equally about working counts, seeing pitches, and on-base percentage. Drew isn’t a base stealer, but he’s a good baserunner. Drew didn’t work out in the lead-off spot because he’s slumping. But he’s not a bad choice to try.

by Bloggy on Jul 22, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree completely

What some people don’t seem to grasp is the fact that the Sox had very little chance of getting Teixeira. Teix said he wanted to be a Yankee. The only way the Sox would have signed him would have been to pay significantly more than the MFY offer.

He signed for 8 years/$180 million, which averages (including bonus money) to $22.5 million per year. At a minimum, the Sox would have had to offer $25 million per year. The MFY probably would have matched or come close. Then what? $30 million?

Also, the idea that the Sox could have upped the ante earlier is stupid. Teixeira is a Scott Boras client. Boras always drags out contract negotiations by trying to wring every penny he can out of the teams trying to sign his clients. Even if the Sox offered $20-25 million in November, Boras would have gone to the MFY before finalizing any contract for Teixeira. Face it, the MFY have more resources than the Sox.

Stats don’t lie? OK. Teix is having a very good year. He is hitting .277 AVG/.378 OBP/.543 SLG, which is very good. However, his numbers seem somewhat inflated by playing in Coors East. Teix is hitting .302 AVG/.390 OBP/.620 SLG with 15 HR in 205 home PA; and .251 AVG/.366 OBP/.462 SLG with 8 HR in 205 road PA.

I also prefer Drew to Ellsbury in the lead-off spot. OBP is far more important than speed at the top of the order. You want people on-base when your better hitters are up. Speed is far more important near the bottom of the order, where you might “steal” a run.

I also agree regarding the handling of Beckett last night. He had thrown 75 pitches through 6 innings. You don’t pull one of your best pitchers at the first sign of trouble when his pitch count is low. Beckett threw 104 pitches for the game. That’s not a lot. How do you know the pen wouldn’t have given up a run or two? They haven’t been automatic, and you may need them tonight for Buchholz.

The Sox lost last night because they only managed to get 4 hits and score 1 run off Hunter. Overall, you’re not going to win many games when your team manages 5 hits and scores only 2 runs.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teix's BABIP is right around .300 too, within a few thousandths.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm... we went into the ninth inning last night with a two run deficit.

Teixeria didn’t want to play for us, and went to the MFY for less money, so calm down about it.That, and he’s going to be a horrid contract in a few years.

First off, RBI’s are more an indicator of a team’s ability to put runners on for a batter, and steals are stupid unless you can convert them at a very high rate – if not, they COST you runs. The most important job a leadoff man has is to get ON BASE, which is why we wanted him there instead of Ells.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

May I Interest You in a Hard Return, As Well?

I should also point out that your outright refusal to use your Enter button makes your comment look that much more hysterical.

by Bloggy on Jul 22, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curse of Texiera? We’ve been in first place for like… nearly all season. We’ve beaten the team Texiera is on EIGHT STRAIGHT TIMES.

Left Beckett in too long? We were already behind, his pitch count was fine and we save the bullpen a couple of innings. Pitching isn’t the issue, hitting is.

Why are you criticizing Lowrie already? He has had 28 at bats this year. 28. Wayy too early to be judging him.

All star caliber this all star caliber that. We aren’t an all star team. We can’t afford an all star at every position. I’m sorry that Henry’s wallet isn’t deep enough for you but it really sounds like you want to be rooting for the Skankees.

Ortiz is pulling it together. I don’t know what planet you are on but he’s been one of our best hitters since June. Unless you only watch the losses. In which case please stop watching. Bay is slumping, we’d have known a couple years ago if he could only hit fast balls ala Willy Mo and Shelly Duncan.

Way too patient at the plate? Are you kidding me? Do you really just like to complain? My fingernails are too hard and don’t let my fingers get hurt!!!! Wah.
  Being patient at the plate has never and will never be something to complain about at any spot in the lineup. You want Ellsbury to get on base more. You know what that entails? Becoming more patient at the plate. I bet that if starts getting on base all the time you’ll find a way to complain about that too.

Seriously get help. I’ve never seen such a constant stream of negative posts from someone before. Quit looking at every loss as justification for your whining.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 22, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

+50

Hey the Houston Astros are 12-6 in July, WS CHAMPS! Right? Doesn’t July Determine the Whole Season? Oh. My Bad.

Once again, more informed.

by jkeough on Jul 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

NG?

LouieTheLip, but a different kind of negative…

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

DiceK cost roughly half of what we were supposedly offering Tex...

who had already decided he was going to be a MFY.

Ortiz has been awesome for the past month and half; Bay’s slumping, but he’s shown he CAN hit a lot more than a fastball when he’s hitting well; agree on Ells; Drew gets on base 40% of the time, so calm down about his patience.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the Philies.

WS champs and beginning to peak when it counts. They are unbeatable. Look at us. Slumping badly. Barely getting series wins against poor teams and beginning to lose series against contenders. It is true that the trend is limited so far, but when I see the Phillies, I see how a good team plays now. The threads author said :

“I’’m not getting a good feeling about this team”

Well neither am I, and that about sums it up I guess. Glass half full guys versus glass half empty guys, but anyone, even someone having a crappy day, that thinks this team is doing fine is an idiot. Pardon my french but you started it..

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

for your own

good, please seek help.

by Buzzy on Jul 21, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tell you what.

I have vented quite well now so I will give it a 2 week break. After that time, if the Sox are still in first, I will continue keep it down. However, if they are back in the standings, well will see, but I do not like what I have been seeing the last 2-3 weeks. It absolutely does remind me of 2006, but we will really know better when the Yanks are up next on Thursday, August 06 2009.

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice..

If the rotations stay the same and Wakefield pops in where Bucholz is now the Yanks Sox pitching matchups are:

Game 1~ Smoltz vs. Burnett

Game 2~ Beckett vs. Mitre

Game 3~ Wake vs. CC

Game 4~ Penny vs. Joba

Interesting. If the Sox do manage to pull off the sweep to go to 12-0 it will be pychologically devastating. In this series the MFY have to win the series. It is more important to them.

Once again, more informed.

by jkeough on Jul 22, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

1 – Adv. MFY
2 – HUGE Adv. Sox
3 – Adv. MFY
4 – Adv. Sox

Series – Adv. Sox

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are my new favorite

perpetual loser mindset. Here’s teh best line : WS champs and beginning to peak when it counts. They are unbeatable. Look at us. Slumping badly. Slumping badly? 8-7 in last 15 games. Give it a rest!!

Once again, more informed.

by jkeough on Jul 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although the offense has been pretty stale.

I will give NG that. It’s just a bunch of batting slumps all at once though – hopefully they all come out of it and hit everything in site for the next three months.

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the CALENDAR.

Beginning to peak when it counts?? In JULY????

Are games in July worth 50% more or something? Is there some sort of tie-breaker that goes to July won-lost record?

I’m not sure if you are fully aware of the definition of “peak”. It’s the top. I’d rather my team play their best baseball at the end.

IN OCTOBER.

by Bloggy on Jul 21, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is

You always refer to 2006. Each of the past two seasons looked like 2006 to you. In one, they one the WS. They came within a game of going to another WS in the other year. Since Theo took over, the Sox have made the playoffs in five of six seasons. They have been to the ALCS four times and won two WS. Yet, you keep harping on 2006 as if it’s the rule and not the exception.

You are talking about a “lack of hitting talent.” Bay and Drew are strufggling right now. But, Bay has a career OPS of .890 and Drew has a career OPS of .889. That suggests that they are very good hitters, and will hit better going forward. Ortiz has straightened out after a slow start. Youk and Pedroia have begun tto hit again. Lowrie and Lowell are just back from injuries.

Sure the Sox haven’t hit well since June 1st. However, in that time they have a 26-15 record (.634 WP). The Sox have matched their longest losing streak—3 games. This year has nothing to do with 2006.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 21, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh.

Reminds me of a post I had about NG in 2007. Here.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jul 21, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember it well

One of the best posts ever. It should be required reading on OTM.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 22, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a wiki post.

One with descriptions of high-profile users and terms we use.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kid NG.

At the time I thought he was a troll. But he’s just a pessimist. And he thinks that somehow us agreeing with him that the wheels are coming off will make the Sox better, or make their losing more bearable, or something.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jul 22, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think 2006 was a bad year for him though.

Needs some counseling or something.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously...

It’s July 21st. This team has won 2 World Championships in the last 6 years. They have contended for a title every year but 2006. The are currently the best team in the best division in Basball. They leasd the AL by 2 games. The team they are tied with has lost to them 8 times in a row. They are only 3.5 games out from the best record in baseball. And they haven’t been hot except for one streak in April. Thie team is so good they actually make your posts better by you mentioning them. Give the sky if falling bit a rest. At least until September.

Once again, more informed.

by jkeough on Jul 21, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

They lost to a contending teams best picther on the road. With their #5 starter. And they had a chance.

Once again, more informed.

by jkeough on Jul 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Loss #37 of about 60. It happens.The offense isn’t firing right now and there isn’t much that anyone can do about that.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 21, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They say you win 60 and you lose 60.

The good teams differentiate themselves with the remaining 42 games.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jul 21, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

…unless you’re the Natinals.

Just saying that we aren’t going to win every game and sometimes you lose games you should have won, there are 162 regular season games, plenty of opportunities for a freak game or dozen to occur. No need to write a sky is falling post every time a game we should have won gets by us. I feel very good about this team, when the key parts are producing the way they should I wouldn’t ever bet against us, we’re scary. Several games after the AS break I think it is way too early to start making predictions of a collapse like in 06.

I do agree though that Smoltz was probably left in too long for this early in his season. After seeing him for a few starts we may want to think about having him in the bullpen. I think he would be pretty good there. Penny is just a bit more consistent and then Buchh can take over the 5th spot. His first start and attitude all year have me convinced he is ready to remain in the big show.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 21, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Timing of actions?

I guess it boils down to when do/should the powers to be act in order to stop a collapse similar to 2006?? Is it too late now to do anything about such a pending collapse assuming such was imminent?

You can’t be happy that we were losing some games to bottom half teams before the break, and now we are losing series to contenders. Meanwhile the Yankees are putting it into high gear! Not good. Do you remember what happen in those late Yankee series in 2006?

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

o_O

Dude, I’m not sure what happened to you in 2006, but you need to talk to someone about it.

by Bloggy on Jul 21, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're in first place and we've had one hot hitter in June and July.

Papi has been it. Youk, Drew, Pedroia, Bay and Lowell are all capable of carrying the offense for a few games or a few weeks, it’s only a matter of time before one or most of those guys starts hitting like he should.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jul 21, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I totally agree.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 21, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me, too.

All teams go through slumps, down-turns, whatever. I’d rather us hit ours now than September. Lot of ball left to be played, y’all.

And in regards to Smoltz being left in too long, well I didn’t see the game so I can’t say. But I’m not 100% willing to pull the string on Smoltz yet overall. And if he’s going to be effective he’s going to need a little patience applied to him.

No one was demanding Lester’s demotion when he had his “one-bad-inning” syndrome this season.

by Bloggy on Jul 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

"one-bad-inning" syndrome .

It depends when and how often that "one-bad-inning" syndrome occurs. If it always happens after 5 innings, then take the pitcher out after 5 or 6 or whatever. If it happens often before 5, then the guy is not a starter in that condition.

by NG on Jul 21, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lester's was usually the 2nd or 3rd inning, wasn't it?

Are you saying you didn’t want him starting, when he’s one of the best pitchers in the majors by several metrics?

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lester had 4th Inning disease.

You can either give a talented pitcher a chance to work through his shit so that he’s got it figured out by the fall…or you can keep scrambling around looking for “solutions”.

Patience worked with Beckett. Patience worked with Lester. That is the trend that I’d be following. I’m not saying that this Smoltz experiment is definitely gonna work…but I am saying that there’s reason to believe it is.

by Bloggy on Jul 21, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know you're in Fat City, so to speak, when...
  • - your team drops three games in four coming out of the All-Star break;
  • - pitching its fourth starter (who shat the bed);
  • - its second starter against a complete game from the first- or second-best pitcher in the major leagues (1-3); and
  • - its fifth starter (who wilted suddenly after an efficient start) against the opposing staff ace.
  • - These losses drop you into into a tie for the best record in the AL with a hated division rival, fielding a Goldman-Sachs bonus-worth of soulless but highly-paid d-bag talent, including a rageholic pitcher who can’t get through five innings on less than 300 pitches and has never thrown more than 112 innings in a year,* and a prima donna juicer who face-f*cks his own reflection;
  • - but you effectively have a half-game lead over your division rival for first place because you pwn them utterly;
  • - and the loser gets the Wild Card.

And as a consequence of all this, the world is coming to an end. It’s far more important for us to play our best ball in August and in the fall. I’m a Red Sox fan, so I can find tons to complain about, but when all is said and done, I’m cool with a little slump right now…

However, if they loose tonight we need to fire Tito, DFA Penny, send Ells down, trade Dice-K for some anti-anxiety meds, and mulch up Smoltz, Wakefield and Varitek into NG’s Ultra-Nutritious Protein Slurry to force feed to Bay and J.D. to increase their testicular fortitude…

 ————
 * – current innings count? 95.2

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 21, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

* SPELL FAIL

lose tonight” – although I suppose the ameliorative steps might be appropriate for certain kinds of loosing too.

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 21, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha.

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You TOO can learn to use the bullet points:

Asterisk + sentence, no space after asterisk.
Example:
*Hey

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap, I fail.

Space after asterisk:

  • Hey

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Begging the question

which team has the right mix of anti-anxiety meds to trade for Dice-K. This is crucial, because the team needs not only top-level, ready-for-MLB SSRIs, but that team would also need enough in reserve to use while watching Dice-K start. Given this rigid requirement, I’d say only the Mets or Cubs fit the bill.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jul 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Periodnotquestionmark FAIL

*which team has the right mix… to trade for Dice-K?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jul 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way Too Soon...

to draw deep conclusions. Sox can still make trades, work the waivers and, Papi, at least, has shown signs of life again. I

by Bunt Cakes on Jul 21, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

My. God.

Like a bunch of panty-waisted Yankee fans (although certainly more literate and rakishly handsome). If it helps, think of the losses as wins in the Bryce Harper derby – he’s young, has pop, and apparently doesn’t suck momentum…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 22, 2009 2:51 AM EDT reply actions  

He's also the kinda kid that I'd probably be getting into arguments with at my school.

He’s a MFY fan, for one. Second, he already thinks he’s a HoFer.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, how are we going to lose enough games to get him?

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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