Verducci Redux
There has been much discussion in recent years concerning the "Verducci Effect" which states (more or less) that pitchers of age 24 or less who increase their innings pitched by 35 or more are subject to injury/diminished performance in the next year. The annectdotal evidence for this seems strong. On the other hand, there have been no real studies to quantify if the "effect" is large or if it even exists. Since Jon Lester had essentially the largest innings increase of all eligible pitchers last year, I was quite interested to follow his and other potential Verducci victims during the year. Especially since Lester's early struggles were often linked in the press to the abuse he took over last year's long season.
Since this more or less marks the midway point of the season, I thought it might be interesting to look at this year's group of potential pitchers suffering from the Verducci effect. I will look at the seven pitchers identified in Peter Bendix's Beyond the Boxscore article:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/1/5/709161/verducci-effect-update-7-r
These pitchers are
a)Jon Lester
f)Tim Lincecum
In looking at this group, we will compare their FIPs this and last year, so as not to bias (or at least limit bias of) outcomes based on possible random variation/defensive issues and the like.
a)Lester: Jon Lester has shown no signs of the Verducci effect. Lester's FIP is a remarkably low 3.22 (among the best in the AL) and his K rates are up substantially. Despite the lingering effects of residual bad luck (his BAPIP is still a high .342), Lester has lowered his ERA to 3.87. He is among the handful of best starters in the AL at this stage.
b)Hamels: Cole Hamels has struggled a bit with injury. While his ERA is significantly higher than last year (4.87 vs 3.09) his FIP is remarkably similar (3.90 vs 3.72). Hamels' FIP and BAPIP (.348 in 2009 vs .270 in 2008) suggest that his bloated ERA is largely beyond his control.
c)Billingsley: Chad Billingsley is almost the identical pitcher this year compared to last both in traditional metrics (ERA 3.38 vs 3.14) and FIP (3.56 vs 3.35).
d)Danks: John Danks has seen a slightly diminished numbers (FIP of 3.93 vs. 3.44) but he has still pitched decently. His FIP difference represents the largest negative amount of the group.
e)Pelfrey: By FIP Mike Pelfrey is essentially the same pitcher this year as last.
f)Lincecum: No problems here. Tim Lincecum is the most dominant pitcher in baseball, and sports a FIP a full 0.61 points lower than in his Cy Young winning year.
g)Jurrjens: Jair Jurrjens' FIP is basically the same this year as last.
Amazingly, the annectdotal evidence *against* the Verducci effect are even stronger this (half) year than the 2008 evidence in favor of the effect. All of these guys have been good this year, and none have serious health issues. Hamels seems to have suffered the most, but the aggregate FIP of the pitchers listed above is actually lower this year than it was last year. While statements like "Still, the results are convincing, and Verducci writes of similar results from past seasons as well" (from Bendix's article) seem sensible, the evidence so far this year strongly suggests that the correlation is overblown. Either way, perhaps it is time that a serious (as opposed to superficial) look into this putative effect is performed.
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Rec'd, simply for the sake of attacking non-stat-friendly writing.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 13, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And now 100 sports writers try to say they saw Lester's resurgence coming
Even though they declared him ruined for at least to the season without bothering to look at such wonderful numbers as FIP.
by Ben Buchanan on Jul 14, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Rec’d
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 14, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact that the effect is named after Tom Verducci makes me immediately question its legitimacy, so I’ve always been fairly skeptical. Especially with Lester as a prime candidate to regress, I’ve definitely been rooting against its existence so I like your results. But while I know you weren’t trying to produce a conclusive study on the issue, I think we should mention that taking your study as evidence against the Verducci Effect is just as misleading as taking Verducci’s anecdotal evidence in support of his theory. Its just too small a sample. I would love to see a full study on the issue.
Good work though, for sure.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 14, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
hence the final line in the post. I agree-the whole “effect” is quoted out of context. It is just a list of players and what happened the next year. It can look ominous, but we never know:
a)What about a random selection of pitchers as a control?
b)Is the sample biased for regression (eg because guys who go up in innings at this age do so because they are pitching very well, so teams don’t tamper with success)?
c)Different players have different body types. The Sox obviously were never really worried about Lester-they monitored him carefully last year, and at one point stated that they did not buy into the VE.
My point was, if we were to take the guidelines outlined by Verducci and look so far, the predictions would be considered a complete failure. While it is not a great idea to increase innings by a whole lot at a young age, I that the “effect” is BS. What is most interesting is that thoughtful analysts who usually demand careful statistical study will accept the “effect;” If you read the linked BtB piece, it appears that even Bendix buys into it.
by Buzzy on Jul 14, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
I think ideally you would look at every single pitcher in the last 10 or 15 years (I would only study recent seasons because of the drastic changes in pitcher usage, training and medical techniques). You would figure how many of them fall off drastically and compare that to every pitcher who qualifies for the “Verducci Effect.”
You would then have to account for all of the biased samples; one of the most important being what you list as (b) above. Others I can think of off the top of my head: Are only talented prospects more likely to increase innings significantly? Are there certain pitchers that are allowed to increase innings because they pitch above their own abilities the first season, and thus have nowhere to go but down in the second year? et al.
One other thing: Did the Verducci Effect exist in one era and not in ours? It seems like a possibility.
Basically, I am skeptical of any conclusions about this kind of thing without seeing actual data. Has Tom Verducci ever tried to produce actual data to support his hypothesis? He seems like a natural candidate to put some effort into the question.
I can guarantee that the Sox, and many other teams, have a binder 50 pages thick discussing this exact topic. And thankfully, we all root for a team that we can actually trust to study this kind of thing and make informed decisions about the risks our young pitchers are taking.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we all made fun of the poor nerds in high school. :)
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 14, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I played sports in HS...
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 14, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried, but I'd like to still have my natural knees by the time I'm 21.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tore my miniscus wrestling senior year which was not fun. But skiing 100+ days a year is what is really kicking the shit out of my knees. I’m 25 years old and in the middle of the winter you can hear my knees creak from across the room every I time a stand-up. I figure we should enjoy them while we got them.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jul 14, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that'd be my knees at 16.
My dad has the same condition knees at the age of 47. I don’t even know where I developed the plica thing in my knee – I never hit it anything on it… If I wanted to have my knees bend properly while playing sports, I’d have to have surgery to remove it, which would lead to me getting arthritis earlier than I’m going to, which should be around 30. :(
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 15, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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