GameThread: Sox @ O's. 7.1.09
by Allen Chace on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
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PrintBoston Red Sox at Baltimore Orioles, Jul 1, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
No getting around it.
Despite what we might've thought was in everyone's best interests, the Sox didn't pack up their gear and leave town after last night; we've got another game with the O's this afternoon @ 1:35 EDT.
At the very least, the members of our bullpen should get some hearty cheers at any moment that they step on the field; whether sarcastic cheers from the O's fans or...sarcastic cheers from visiting Red Sox fans.
Josh Beckett takes the mound this afternoon, and that's quite a relief. No offense to Wake or Brad Penny, but he's simply THE guy we need out there when we're feeling iffy about the pen. His opponent is Brad Bergesen. I know nothing about Brad Bergesen. That's about to change for all of us:
Not bad. Actually, a great line overall if you can get around the fact that we normally see good starters as being able to get strikeouts, and Bergesen really doesn't.
Use some listerine to get that bad taste out of your mouth from last night, and comment away.
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so Brad Bergesen might me Swahili or Swiss for 'Cy Young'.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
or
Swiss for slop throwing soft-tossing contol guy that the Sox never hit. See: Sonnanstine, Shields…
Eh.
I don’t want to call Shields slop-throwing. I don’t particularly like him, but he hasn’t had a K/BB below 2.74 in his ML career. Pretty non-slop.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Dang.
Get one back but Pedroia is thrown out trying to stretch to a 3B.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Forgot to wake up early...
Had some tornado warnings, but I went back to sleep after they passed.
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Might have been well-advised to remain asleep.
Nothing to see here, so far…
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Besides Dusty's ego?
Or was it just a flukely play?
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Didn't actually see it.
We didn’t spring for Extra Innings this year.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Mr. Jamie gets some help, reaches base.
C’mon Capitan.
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JD not wanting to drag out the pain.
Bard in for Beck, Bailey in for Kotsay.
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Last call for the offense.
Who apparently are still in the clubhouse waiting for the rain to go away.
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YOUK!!!!
Going on a tear to prove he’s the best 1B – 3 straight games with a homer (counting the one that would’ve been gone if not for a Play-of-the-Year type catch).
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Offer to forgive him for his 3 K's today?
Or kill him for his 4th. :(
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C'mon Bay, it's Canada Day.
Which means it’s not June anymore – time to slump bust.
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All Star rosters expanded to 33.
Wake might have a better chance of getting in now.
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Papi, you have to swing to hit the ball.
BS strike 1 though.
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Ells!
Strike 1 to Bailey is outside too.
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Walk to Bailey
Come on TEK!
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Bailey walks.
Capitan up as the go-ahead run/last chance.
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I've got good news everyone:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/red-sox-sign-reymond-fuentes.html
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Hazelbaker (mentioned in the article) played yesterday too.
See the Minor Lines post.
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It's always good news when you can sign your first rounder
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TEK walks
bases loaded for Green
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Baldeli to pinch hit.
Come on Rocco!
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JESUS!!
Got just in time for the comeback, fuck the O’s!
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
After they were (for the most part) nice enough not to troll last night...
Sorry guys, we want to win!
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JD now feels the urge to walk.
Destroyah up with the bases tipsy.
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Drew walks to load the bases
DP up.
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Damn I wish I were able to watch this.
Rallies are so much fun
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Well obviously
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Tito wouldn't have taken the closer out there
I just know it.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
We really can't praise the pen for being so great...
Then choose to blame Tito when they all decided to suck.
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Tito pulled a Maddon last night
I mean, Saito in that spot? Put Paps there, think about the 9th later…
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 1, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
Should have taken the lead there, but I’m okay with the tie.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
Rays lost to the Jays.
Ricky “Ima Punch All Da Rays Fans” Romero = My hero.
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Whoops, wrong Romero.
My bad, both still awesome.
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ICE cold.
Would it be crazy to give him some more rest?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Like, maybe Rocco starts in LEFT one of these days?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
One of these days.
Wouldn’t mind seeing him, but it still limits the bench.
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Eh, then you'd have Bay and Kotsay on the bench
If it’s a day Bailey starts at 1B. Not too limited, unless you’re going to lock yourself into giving him the whole day no matter what.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Forgot about Bailey.
Guess that gives us Kotsay back for the bench – much better situation,
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He definitely needs it, but we don't have anyone to play for him.
Rocco’s still Channelopathic (made up).
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It's not like he's setting the world on fire lately
I’d give him a day or two to think about life and women…
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 1, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That never stopped anybody
Kidding here… But I think he needs a day off.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 1, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I don't have that flu
But I get to stay a lot at home. Work’s off, so is college.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 1, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They really not covering IT that much down there?
Google Mark Sanford.
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Lugo in at SS, Kott at C.
Bard looking okay – lots of movement, decent location.
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Bay will actually have a shot at a 5th K!!
That would be awesome… Only that not really.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
He's gotten better about that.
Guess he’s getting used to seeing better stuff.
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Well, if nothing else
Bard proved that he can wear the big pants on occasion.
Pitching in what could’ve, at any moment, been a walk-off situation.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Youk giving Teix a shot at a comeback in AS voting.
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YES, HE WILL!!!!!
YAY!! Kudos there, Jason.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 1, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we all remember when we'd kind of routinely expect Papi to knock one yard
In this situation?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Hey it could still happen
in 2-3 more innings…..
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Eh, we've got an off-day tomorrow.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Then the M's and O's.
I guess we could play a few dozen more innings.
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Well
At least Beckett won’t get the L. Beckett is a funny pitcher, even when he gives up 5 runs it just doesn’t look like he’s pitching badly.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
I'm not a big fan of his nickname.
Kind of the way I was never a fan of the whole “Dice-K” thing.
Basically I’m f’n snooty.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Ah.
Dice K is just the American spelling of his name, not really a nickname. That’d be Dice BB. :)
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Plus, when he's good, we can call him Dice KKKKK, etc.
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Wake pitching if it gets beyond the 11th
Yay or nay?
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
I'm sure he'll offer, but considering his age and recent back issues
I’d rather not.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Back issues?
And he offered last time we had a thin pen, a few weeks ago.
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Yeah. He's had problems in the last couple years IIRC.
Just doesn’t make a lot of sense to take him out of his routine, unless today was his day for a side and he hasn’t thrown yet.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Oh, thought it flared up again over the weekend and I missed the story or something.
I don’t know if he’s thrown today, but his side session should’ve been yesterday, right?
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I wouldn't do it unless he feels good about it.
Then only if MDC can’t go.
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Should be, but if he can't, for whatever reason.
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To the 11th we go!
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Anyone want Craig Monroe?
He got released by the Pirates.
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If he's willing to spend most of the rest of the year in Pawtucket...
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
He might be.
He wasn’t hitting so well for them.
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Have to think he might look for
a team where he’s got a better chance of cracking the ML roster. Not that it’s out of the question at all, but Rocco and Kotsay would probably both have to go down with injuries.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Bailey moves Ells over...
Lugo can’t possible ruin this, can he?
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Time to blow it open and make our Pythag record look better!!
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Keep this up, guys
I want Bay with a shot at a 6th K!
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
Would tie a record.
9 inning game is 5, done 46 times. Extras is 6, done 8 times.
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LUGGY
If the Sox win-I am going to write a nice post to NG
I didn't know
Lugo could pitch too ;-). No-just my excitemnet based retarded name…
3 more hits, guys, please
Give Bay a chance!
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
The disadvantages of paying for extra stuff.
Even if Gameday’s delayed, it’s still pretty close.
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Yeah,
well I have no TV in my apartment here in Germany, so I need some kind of entertainment. Surf the Channel gets old sometimes…
it's pretty sweet
you can watch about any movie & any TV show for free. you stream it from another site
check it out: www.surfthechannel.com
He's still managing to comment and post Minor Lines without his head unexploded.
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Paps in.
If he F’s this up, he should lose the job, IMO. Too bad we don’t have anyone else to step up.
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True this.
Ramon wouldn’t have been the greatest with his weakness against LHBs, but MDC should’ve been available.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Agreed.
Paps really isn’t even that clutch – he creates his own high-leverage situations, and sometimes karma bites him in the ass.
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Well, he used to be clutch. Whatever changes he's made this season
Have absolutely resulted in the current situation with him.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Left-handed hitters
Markakis and Huff.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 1, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He's one of the top 5 young players in Baseball
I like him a lot
The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!
I'd take the Orioles young guys in an instant if we trade for them.
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Yep
But in 2-3 years I think Reddick will be competing with the best of them
The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!
Was referring to non-prospects.
But yeah, we’re pretty set too. Wouldn’t mind having Weiters or Jones though.
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I hope Paps doesn't make the ASG
And spends the break relearning his old mechanics.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Despite the acceptable results today.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
GAME.
Series win. All agree to deny yesterday ever happened.
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What happened yesterday?
I don’t remember anything from yesterdeay!
The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!
We got rained out, right?
[eye twitch]
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I said I forgot evreything about yesterdeay! ;)
The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!
I am off
to craft m response post to that jackass who fan posted from the Os site last night…it will be a fanpost over there…
If I may.
Please don’t. Their win is still more impressive.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Ahh
you’re right. I just hate that kind of shit, and probably never in the history of the game has there been such a crazy turn of fortune. But…I keep my mouth shut.
Is their win that much more impressive? They needed ONE out with a 4 run lead…probably still much more common I guess.
it's a perfect time for me
started 7:35 my time. I like these early games.
except I’ll be home Aug 6th, in which case I’ll like the normal 7:05ET starts
Welcome back.
Are you studying abroad? Stationed overseas?
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Yeah I've been studying here in Germany since March 1st.
My semester is over on July 16th & I’m taking a BIG trip around Europe before I come back.
It’s fun, but I miss the whole, should I say, greatness, of the U.S. It’s almost like living in the mid-90s here in Germany, believe it or not
Eww...
Sadly, popped collars are still cool in America. Esp. if you wear four shirts with all of them popped:
http://fashion4nerds.com/uploads/2009/01/4_popped-collars_cool.jpg
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Tornados interrupted my sleep.
So I was kinda in REM when the game started.
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You're right.
Wow, way to come back, bullpen and offense.
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Lugo = momentum!
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 1, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on!
That hit by Lugo was his typical, anemic ground ball bouncer that usually results in a DP. It was extreme luck that allowed it to barely go through a hole. Hardly an endorsement for good contact hitting, but he did get it done this time with a lot of luck, IMO.
by NG on Jul 1, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What does that raise his LUCK+ stats to?
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 2, 2009 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Not usually, IMO
Consistent real talent and good management skills = Momentum
by NG on Jul 2, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Riddle me this, Batman. A team blows a 9-run lead in the last two innings one game. In doing so, four of their top relief pitchers allow 10 runs. The next day the same team ties the game in the 9th inning against the opposition’s two best relievers, despite being down by 4 runs.
The following players are among those responsible for the 9th inning comeback: A CF with iffy on-base skills, a Quad-A 3rd-string firstbaseman, a catcher more known for his defense, and the team’s 4th OF. Remember, all of this happened with two outs. Is this an example of “consistent real talent”?
Two innings later, the most hated player on the team drives in the winning run and the team that blew a large lead one night wins an improbable comeback the next day.
Where’s the momentum, professor? Are Tito and Theo the authors of the win? Perhaps you can explain.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 2, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Anecdotes versus expectations
Let me try this. Long term momentum is the ability for a team to consistently perform to reach a goal It is a, no the, cardinal sign of talented players working together of as a team The lack of it leads to dead end isolated hits and many men left on base. From a pitching standpoint, it would be consistently pitching up to your average ability or better (key emphasis on consistent). Anecdotal examples and stories tell you nothing about a team. The story you told is more about anecdotes than consistent long term momentum, so in that respect we know little about this Sox team. The big loss 2 nights ago was most likely caused by a quick spike in temporary momentum for the Orioles for some reason. Last night’s Sox win hopefully is a result of more consistent longer term momentum for this team to be a playoff winner. If that is the way it is, then we should be okay, but that big big letdown and loss two nights ago could surely have been a sign of some weakness. We will see. Hopefully a temporary weakness at best because the Sox will need all their long term, consistent momentum to beat the Rays and Yankees out of a playoff berth.
by NG on Jul 2, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
When he entered the game as a pinch runner the Sox were down by 2
It was his presence that allowed Baldelli to tie it up. Come on, NG.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 2, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
EVEN YOU CAN SEE THAT, NG!
AS DRUG DELANEY SAYS-WE WERE DOWN WITH GREEN-LUGO COMES IN, SINGLES IN THE WINNING RUN. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT! MOMENTUM!!!!!
Killing momentum versus sustaining it.
Nobody can deliver in the clutch all the time, and conversely, even marginal players come through occasionally. However to win consistently, the team has to hold onto its momentum in clutch situations to get winning results. If Lugo had hit that ball as a liner, I would have been happier no matter if it was caught or not. The fact that he has let this team down so many times with that exact little ground ball bouncer is not a good sign. You guys must be desperate if you see that hit as a new Lugo. Do not forget how many DP and strikeouts this guy had last year, as well as one of the longest batting slumps in team history.
Maybe Randy has not seen enough of Lugo, but I have. It is not personal, but just my observation that he is not a quality, momentum sustaining player.
by NG on Jul 2, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
NG, they're mocking you, if you can't tell.
All of it is sarcasm – except maybe Randy’s post, which I haven’t read yet.
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Well maybe they are and maybe they are not, but
it does not matter because what I say I mean wholeheartedly on this subject of Lugo.
by NG on Jul 2, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They are.
The whole point of it is that momentum really hasn’t been proven to exist outside of a single game. It may seem like momentum when a team goes on a long streak, but it’s usually just a coincedence of random odds being strung together. Good teams will win a lot of games, and eventually those wins will start running together.
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