Who wins the bet? If he either does not start either at the beginning of the year OR SOON AFTER THE...

Who wins the bet?
If he either does not start either at the beginning of the year OR SOON AFTER THE SEASON BEGINS, or is taken out of the rotation after he DOES MAKE SOME starts because of poor performance or injury due to his age condition(because he is old)! Any of these and I win. If he makes it to the end of the season starting and with a winning record [or tied, as agreed upon later in the thread], you win.

On how long the loser has to change his icon:
I'd say forever, so let's compromise with one season (baseball season!)

Original Thread of Agreement I also have a screencap of the original thread in which we agreed to bet on Wake's 2009 season.

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Easier to track this than a few comments spread over a random thread.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 4, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I need background of this bet.

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by Randy Booth on Jun 5, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This offseason, NG said that Wake wouldn't make it through the season.

I said he would, so we agreed to bet on it. Loser has to change his icon to something of the winner’s choice, excluding weird stuff. We forgot about it until about December, then we set the terms above.

Although, now that Buch and Bowden are pitching so well, what if Wake gets forced out by them? NG?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 5, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Depends on how it happens

If they take Wake out without him going to the DL or while he has a winning record, you win, because he hasn’t been removed for reasons related to his performance. Otherwise, NG wins.

(However, if you have an effective pitcher in the rotation, what’s the value of releasing them in mid-season?)

by lone1c on Jun 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right now you are winning the bet, by a lot.

I remember the discussion. But if Wake is forced out it will be because he starts sucking and then I would think NG would win.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 8, 2009 4:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We could just say if Wake finishes the season above “league average”, then BS wins. If he’s below “league average,” NG wins.

Work?

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by Randy Booth on Jun 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would say that Wake, as a 5th starter (or 4th), could still be considered a productive player with a below average ERA+. Maybe if he makes 25 starts?

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kinda waiting for NG, to join in so that he can agree or disagree to any of this.

Also, we might need to consider his replacement, and if that pitcher was pitching better than him, or pitches better post-replacement.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 8, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Defined by what stat?

I can’t think of one that values both quality and quantity, short of multiplying ERA+ by IP, or something similar.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 8, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then don't use one . . .

Use three. Or five.

Record is clearly useless, especially for AL pitchers. But take (as an example) QS’s, ERA+, and IP. Two out of three at or above average equals a win for you.

by lone1c on Jun 10, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Average of what set of people?

QS’s and IP would be hard to track down the average of, too.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Regular AL starters seems like the logical choice

Pitchers with more than 15 GS, or over 100 innings pitched. (None of the top 50 or so relievers exceeded that threshold in 2008, so that seems like a reasonable standard, at least to me.)

As I said in the previous post, those were just meant as an example, not a recommendation. My point is, if you can’t find one stat that gives you everything you want, find a reasonable set of metrics that do the job. It can’t be that hard to define, for the present purposes, under what circumstances a pitcher is “good.”

by lone1c on Jun 11, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs