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As a fairly regular visitor of OTM, I take a lot of time reading people's comments about the state of the Red Sox roster. And as the Trade Deadline rapidly approaches, there will be plenty of more talk to be had. Discussing roster moves and trades is one of the best parts about having a Web site like this one, especially when a vast majority of contributors are extremely intelligent when it comes to stats, contract specifics and the game of baseball in general.

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BUT, one thing that never has seemed to come up that often when talking about moving Penny, or trying to get Hanley or Dunn, etc..., is my favorite saying of all time: "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!!!!." With all the excitement that comes with trade rumors and possibilities, I feel that people lose sight that the Sox have the best record in the A.L., and are only slightly behind the Dodgers for the best record in the Majors. And this has been with the roster we came into the season with, with a few slumps and injuries throughout.

Let's take a look at our team to discuss why our roster should stay the same way. We'll start with our (usual? not sure if that's the right word) batting order.

1. Dusty P - A little slump in June, but is still a monster at the top of our order, great clubhouse guy and excellent fielder. He wouldn't have gone anywhere anyways.

2. JD - Yeah, he's striking out a lot more lately, but he still has an excellent OPS and a swing that's prettier than Heidi Watney. And it's no problem to rest him here or there, with Baldelli providing some solid bench play.

3. Youk - He's awesome, came back down to Earth lately, but he's still the man. Nuff said.

4. Bay - He'll be in the running for MVP this year and a long term contract for him would make everyone happy.

5. Papi - Shame on all of you who wanted to replace the Big Guy. OK, I know his June streak won't last for the rest of the season, but he is swinging the bat exponentially better now. And besides, you absolutely can't replace that type of good-spirited, happy clubhouse presence.

6. Lowell/Kotsay - Mikey may be taking a much needed vacation, but that's alright, because we have Mr. Versatility chopping at the bit for more playing time. I know Kots won't have the same level of offensive production as Lowell, but the guy's a gamer and will play his heart out day in and day out.

7. Jacoby - Having an extremely consistent year, and I think he's really benefiting from batting down in the order.

8. Tek - We're getting more out of him than anyone expected, and he still handles that pitching staff wonderfully.

9. Nick Green - Probably our most pleasant surprise, and playing the position of one of our biggest so-called question marks. Yes, on paper his defense is ugly, but he's still adjusting to a new position, and has been making some great plays lately. Oh yeah, he's awesome batting, coming up with some huge hits lately.

The Rotation is looking great and even with Buchholz doing great in Pawtucket, I don't think we should mess with it. Smoltz is the victim of one bad inning (which we saw could be disastrous to Lester), and will provide a consistent fifth starter. Wake, Beckett, and Lester have it going on right now.

The bullpen is still the best in the majors, despite having a few rough performances here and there, and doesn't need to be touched at all.

For those of you that have read this far (I'm almost done, don't worry), just take some time to reflect on what this team has been able to do so far. The 2009 Sox roster doesn't have a lot of flash or bells and whistles, but it's getting the job done, and getting it done pretty damn well. Barring any major injuries or steroid scandals, I wouldn't touch a thing, but I would put my complete trust in Theo and Terry in managing this roster.

Thanks for reading, and GO SOX!!!!

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W-L Record is a fickle stat.

And I’d prefer to subscribe to the theory of “If it’s imperfect, why not improve?”

3rd-order W-L puts us in 3rd place in the division, in a virtual tie with the Yanks and behind the Rays: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/standings.php

Now, sure, it’s easy to pass that off as over-analysing and hide behind the shiny record, but that’s what the LA Angels tried to do last year and look where it got ’em?

Your lineup analysis is a bit too optimistic for me, and a bit full of mentions of “good clubhouse guys” and other truisms.

Pedroia has been slumping hard and DOES need to go somewhere: to the 2 spot. Nothing helps Petey more than having holes in the infield or having guys in at DP depth. He’s a great ground ball and bloop hitter, and having a guy on base is huge for him.

I think we need to test to see if Ellsbury is improving because of his lineup spot. I think it’s the case, personally, since pitchers should be more likely to throw him balls without the threat of Petey the ultimate RISP base-hit man behind him to knock him in from second after a steal. But it’s certainly worth checking to see if Jacoby can maintain his OBP in the leadoff spot.

If not Ellsbury, the team should think about slotting Drew in leadoff (the movement is reborn?). JD seems intent on taking a bunch of pitches in every AB, so why not move him into the vacant spot to try and give Petey the help he needs. Also of note for Drew is how well the Drew-Rocco platoon has worked of late. The Sox need to keep that going.

Youk and Bay NEED to be switched around. I don’t understand the thinking here. Youk is fantastic at working long counts and deals well with pitchers who don’t throw him strikes. Bay walks plenty, too, but if you don’t think he’d like to see more fastballs as a result of the protection of a guy whose OPS is above one, you’re crazy.

The calls for Ortiz to be removed, or sent down, or whatever weren’t as crazy as you make them out to be. The guy was KILLING US, and had been on a trend of decline measuring in at over a year. The fact is that he’s having a great June, and nobody loves it more than me, but talking about a guy’s clubhouse impact when he’s putting up an OPS of .600 from the DH position is far too sentimental. I applaud the club for their patient approach (though if Nick Johnson was REALLY on the table for MDC, I will rage), but if he hadn’t improved in June, it would be foolish to keep him in the starting lineup.

I’ve no problem with Tek or Green. Tek is showing worrying signs of decline, but unless we can pick up V-Mart it’s not like there’s a ready replacement for this year. Green needs to learn some plate discipline, but it’s really all about expectations for him—ones which he has far exceeded.

My biggest problem with your post is the bit about Lowell, in that if we lose Lowell for a few games here and there—or the next 10 right now—Kotsay/Lowrie/Green/Youk will be able to work something out in the infield. But if Lowell’s problem is more significant, then we can’t sit around using 3 of those guys in the lineup on a day-to-day basis. In fact, as it is, the team needs to take a long, hard look at Lowell, whose offensive numbers are good only in comparison to his defensive numbers. If there’s one position that’s dragging us down right now, it’s whichever corner infield position isn’t being run by Youk.

Best case scenario, Lowell takes a few days off and gets back to the numbers he had about a month ago—not great, but serviceable—and the Sox can just move on from that.

But the Sox should keep a worst case scenario in mind, and not quite get off the phone with all those big bat folks they were talking to earlier in the year.

Wow, that reply got a little out of handle. Ah well, take from it what you will.

by USG on Jun 29, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree with you more

Especially re: Papi and Green. Papi looked like he was playing in slow motion for the first two months of the season, and while he’s had a good month, I still don’t think we’re ever going to see the Papi of 2003-2007 again.

As for Green, he’s only “awesome batting” if you consider he’s a utility infielder and this team’s third shortstop. That game winning homer last week notwithstanding, a .280 hitter with no pop isn’t even in the same ballpark as “awesome batting” unless he’s getting on base a hell of a lot more than 33% of the time. And while he may not be the sieve that Lugo is in the field, he’s not exactly good there either. As a third shortstop, he’s great; as a starter, I’d be looking for an upgrade if Lowrie wasn’t already due to come back.

by RSNexile on Jun 29, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

Pedroia has been slumping hard and DOES need to go somewhere: to the 2 spot. Nothing helps Petey more than having holes in the infield or having guys in at DP depth. He’s a great ground ball and bloop hitter, and having a guy on base is huge for him.

Someone heard you-see tonight’s lineup.

As for Ortiz-I know where you are coming from, and sure he is in decline, but if you remove April last year, he had over a 900 OPS is a very down overall offensive year where he would have hit close to league lead in HR (he had 23 and missed 2 months, Cabrera led the league with 37). I don’t think he will nearly keep up his June pace, but a good guess is a 850 OPS the rest of the way. My guess is the Sox stick with him and don’t seriously look elsewhere.

by Buzzy on Jun 29, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Sox should not look to replace Papi, but with questions surrounding Lowell and Papi, it still makes sense to find a bat that is an upgrade from Kotsay. The gain would not be quite as large as before (Kotsay should not play as poorly as Ortiz in the first months of the year), but there is certainly a possible upgrade; especially if Lowell is out for an extended period.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 30, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad we missed out on DeRosa.

He was traded for a plus relief prospect and a PTBNL.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jun 30, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, a relief prospect.

Unless by plus you mean that he adds HBP numbers to any boxscore.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 30, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard he has closer potential.

Not that he’ll reach it, but he has a good upside.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jun 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only because he'll get guys to back up way off the plate.

Then he’ll loft 3 strikes in. Plus, not great mechanics-wise.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree for the most part, but disagree about a few things:
Pedroia has been slumping hard and DOES need to go somewhere: to the 2 spot. Nothing helps Petey more than having holes in the infield or having guys in at DP depth. He’s a great ground ball and bloop hitter, and having a guy on base is huge for him.

I’m fine with Dusty leading-off. I don’t think his problems this year have to do with his spot in the batting order. He is being pitched differently and has to make adjustments. Here’s a comparison of Dusty through the first 72 games of each of his three seasons:

2009: (292 AB) .288 AVG/.367 OBP/.380 SLG 2 HR (21 2B) 35 BB 12 GIDP
2008: (290 AB) .269 AVG/.318 OBP/.391 SLG 6 HR (18 2B) 19 BB 8 GIDP
2007: (242 AB) .318 AVG/.400 OBP/.450 SLG 3 HR (21 2B) 30 BB 2 GIDP

In 2007, Pedroia hit better in the lead-off and ninth spot than he did in hitting second: .882 OPS batting first; .773 OPS hitting second; .882 OPS at the bottom of the order. He had over 100 PA in each spot in the order. Last year, he hit better batting second.

Pedroia’s lack of “power” this year has to do with the fact that pitchers are not coming inside on him as much. Dusty isn’t going to hit many opposite field HR. The problem is he is trying to pull outside pitches and topping them into the ground, hence the increase in the number of DPs he has hit into so far this year.

I think we need to test to see if Ellsbury is improving because of his lineup spot. I think it’s the case, personally, since pitchers should be more likely to throw him balls without the threat of Petey the ultimate RISP base-hit man behind him to knock him in from second after a steal. But it’s certainly worth checking to see if Jacoby can maintain his OBP in the leadoff spot.

I hate Ellsbury in the lead-off spot. Jacoby has a .332 OBP hitting first in the line-up. He has a .273 OBP leading off innings, and a .345 OBP overall. Ellsbury is slumping lately—.241 AVG/.328 OBP/.414 SLG in his last 17 games (and that includes a 4-hit game)—now is not the time to give him extra AB by putting him at the top of the order.

Dusty will be pitched the same regardless of where he hits. I’d rather see Pedroia or Drew at the top of the order and Ellsbury in the bottom of the order.

Youk and Bay NEED to be switched around. I don’t understand the thinking here. Youk is fantastic at working long counts and deals well with pitchers who don’t throw him strikes. Bay walks plenty, too, but if you don’t think he’d like to see more fastballs as a result of the protection of a guy whose OPS is above one, you’re crazy.

I don’t see how that really matters.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 29, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you people not appreciate brevity?

The Youk and Bay thing is about getting Bay more strikes, which he’ll get if a batter behind him is as big a threat as Youk.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 29, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw brevity.

But yeah, basically. Right now, you get to Bay and you think—well, actually, Ortiz is killing behind Bay right now, so yeah—but without Papi, you get to him and the pitcher is thinking “I guess if I walk this guy it’s not gonna kill me. I can pitch around him.” You stick Youkilis behind him, and you’ve gotta be wondering how ready and willing you are to pitch around 2 guys. Better to pitch around the second than to give the second guy a runner on.

Classic “protection”. It’s just that Bay does more with the fastball than Youk, so you want him to get more of ’em.

by USG on Jun 29, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

And even with the protection, Bay’s not going to get a load of pitches down the middle – pitchers know that he’s still going to feast on those pitches. He will get more strikes though, which is always a good thing for him. Plus, Youk has a good enough eye to lay off the crud he’s gonna get after Bay.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 29, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m unconvinced that anyone’s spot in the line-up will directly influence that player’s performance. I entirely understand all of the logical arguments supporting this kind of thing, but none of them truly convince me of anything.

Ells belongs lower in the line-up because he is a worse hitter than 5 or 6 other guys on this team.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 30, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time to match sayings:

You’re always either improving and declining – never staying the same.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 29, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or

If it ages and sucks momentum, wail and gnash teeth.

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 29, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha.

Saw he came on once or twice while I was off the radar.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 29, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this year's team batting ave good enough to win?

Year—- W-L%——- Finish——- Playoffs——————BA
2009—-.618———-1st of 5 -————————————-7
2008—-.586———- 2nd of 5—— Lost ALCS -———-2
2007—-.593———-1st of 5——— Won WS————— 5
2006—-.531———-3rd of 5—————————————-12
2005——586———-2nd of 5——- Lost LDS—————1
2004——605———-2nd of 5———Won WS—————1
2003——586———-2nd of 5———Lost ALCS————1

I was wondering if the Sox record this year was good mainly because of offense or mainly because of pitching. I am not a stat wizard, but I thought I would look at some stats related to batting ave for the last 6 years. There are not super clear trends, but the team batting ave this year is not as good as years they have won leagues and championships. In 2004, the team was number one in ave, but in 2007 they were 5th. This year they are 7th so far. So maybe they can still win if the pitching holds up, but their hitting ave is borderline compared to other good years.

by NG on Jun 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The batting average is fine

Offense wins divisions. Pitching wins championships:

AL ranks 2003-2009 by staff ERA (for obvious reasons, comparisons with the NL are pointless here):

2003—8 (4.48)
2004—3 (4.18)
2005—11 (4.74)
2006—11 (4.83)
2007—1 (3.87)
2008—4 (4.01)
2009—3 (4.02)

If 2004 and 2007 showed us anything, it’s that a good offense plus a great pitching staff generally beats a great offense plus a good pitching staff.

by lone1c on Jun 30, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The obligatory "BA is bad indicator of offensive performance" comment.

There is a laundry list of better stats, but if you are talking about team production, why not just use total runs?

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 30, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. AVG isn't a good indicator of overall success

In 2003, the top 4 teams in the AL in AVG were (in order) the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Twins, and Royals. Two of those teams made the playoffs: The Sox won the WC with 95 wins and the Twins won the Central with 90 wins. The MFY, who had 101 wins, were 6th in AVG and the A’s (96 wins) had the 3rd worst AVG.

In 2004, two of the top four teams in AVG—the Sox and Angels—made the postseason, along with two teams that were below league average in BA: the MFY and Twins. The MFY were 8th in AVG but still managed to win 101 games, tops in the AL. Minnesota won 92 games with a .266 team AVG, 4th worst that year (in ’03, they won 90 games with a .277 team AVG).

Two of the top 4 teams in BA in 2005 were awful: the Devil Rays and Tigers—67 and 71 wins respectively. The top two teams in AVG were the Sox and MFY. The champs, the White Sox, had the 3rd worst AVG in the AL that year.

In 2006, two of the top 4 teams in BA missed the playoffs: Toronto and Cleveland. Detroit and Oakland made the post-season despite 9th and 13th in BA.

The 2007 MFY and Angels were 1st and 4th in AVG. The other top 4 teams—the Tigers and Mariners—missed the post-season. The Sox and Indians tied for the best record in the AL. Boston was 5th in AVG and Cleveland was 8th.

Last year, of the playoff teams, only the Red Sox were in the top 4 in AVG. Here’s how the other three playoff teams finished: Angels (7th), White Sox (11th), and Rays (13th). LA was exactly league average, and Chicago and Tampa were well below. In fact, the Rays had the 2nd worst team AVG in the AL.

Team batting AVG is not a good indicator of how good a team is offensively.

Is that helpful, NG?

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 30, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw this coming,

and like I said in the post, the trends are not clear cut. However, the Sox to me are just not hitting consistently but are more hitting in spurts. If our pitching is really good, we win. If not, we don’t seem to be scoring enough runs to easily (emphasis on easily) win. I am wondering just why the Good volume hitiing seems so sporadic, and what is the controlling factor? Is it opposing pitching, or team chemistry that day, or team fatigue that day, or what??

by NG on Jun 30, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm... average means it would balance out the spurts.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say that our offensive output is mostly dependent on opposing pitching and plain old luck. Sometimes hits are clumped together, and sometimes they are not. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the team has good chemistry on the days when they all get hits in a row. Sometimes the roulette wheel shoots out 5 blacks in a row, sometimes its 5 reds and sometimes it alternates. Its pretty similar in a baseball game.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jul 1, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am worried about our statistical projection.

We just shouldn’t be winning as many games as we are.

That being said, BA is pretty meh, and ultimately all that matters is how you’re performing at the end of the year. Depending on how Ortiz continues to develop, how various slumps go, etc…

by USG on Jun 30, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our pen = da $#!+ (so far)

That’s why we’re winning too many games.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Its the reason the Angels always beat their Pythagorean records; great bullpens allow you to win the close games.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jul 1, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I almost timed my jinx perfectly.

We’ll look better in 3rd order standings in while, after the re-emergence of the starters lowers the runs allowed… hopefully. Gotta hope the pen isn’t planning on continuing to sabotage their efforts.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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