GameThread: Red Sox @ Nationals - June 25
by Randy Booth on Jun 25, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Sox go for the sweep tonight. I've been writing that a lot lately, but rarely has it happened. Let's hope the Sox can do it tonight.
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Red Sox lead the series 2-0
| Tue 06/23 | WP: Manny Delcarmen ( - ) LP: Julian Tavarez ( - ) |
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| Wed 06/24 | WP: Jon Lester ( - ) SV: Jonathan Papelbon LP: Craig Stammen ( - ) |
6 - 4 win |
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Boston Red Sox Thursday, Jun 25, 2009, 7:05 PM EDT John Smoltz vs Jordan Zimmermann Mostly clear. Game time temperature around 90. |
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Walking Dunn
Not the worst thing in the world.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Willingham's single, on the other hand ...
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought Dice-K wasn't starting 2nite
well, whatever, Smoltz can not do any worse than Dice-K. Here’s hoping JS gets out of trouble and becomes a “strong point” in the starting rotation
and now for josh the cut me bard
maybe a bit of revenge
He's 42-years old, coming off major surgery
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm in no way saying I don't think he can pitch.
It’s just unfortunate it had to start like this.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Best to get the worst out of the way
He should get better. If not, there’s always Buchholz. But this is why I couldn’t understand why so many Sox fans were expecting Penny to get traded as soon as Smoltz was able to pitch.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Because we assumed the insurance policy was Buchholz.
We didn’t see Daisuke being awful.
And I disagree, I think it’s best to get the worst out of the way after you’ve re-established yourself.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
deaths come in 3's
Farah, Michael Jackson and hopefully not the career of John Smoltz
thanx forgot 'bout him
John “you’re safe 4 now”
Evening All
Go Sox!
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Hello, MassGal
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They've made some ugly plays in this series
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ATL on the board
2-1 Yanks, ATL still batting
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
"Popped up", get it?
But it was dead-center.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 25, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
First without PEDs
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
per MFY announcer
ties Reggie Jackson on some list—yawn….
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Totally forgot he was coming up on Reggie.
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Oh, I see
A-Rod just passed the a-hole (Jackson).
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Reggie = Mr. October
Winfield = Mr. May
ARod = Mr. Irrelevant—- he needs to take that title from the NFL draft
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
With Pettitte on the mound, the opposition is never out of the game
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not yet
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Though even if we got it
I was really hoping for a quality start.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 25, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
First inning jitters?
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't attempt to psycho-analyze the 42 year old 200 game winner.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 25, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He had to be amped up for his first start
It’s only natural.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Striking out Pedroia is not a good sign...
It looks like it is going to a long night for the Sox.
Oh well, the Sox won the Series, next stop Atlanta.
Besides, remember how everyone was saying the MFY not sweeping the Nats was a lost series?
Same applies for us.
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Its not over yet
& I never said that
& the Sox aren’t the Yanks
&…I guess that is all I have to say
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
The Sox aren't the MFY,
We shouldn’t succumb to their fans’ psychosis.
We won the series on the road, and get ready for Atlanta which will a much tougher contest, where Nick Greene can’t hit 310 ft home runs for walk off wins..
I am more curious if Smoltz be a good starting pitcher or throw him in the pen, give him three starts, then make a decision..
+1
was going to type similar
am just saying “everyone” didn’t buy into the no sweep = failure mentality
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
It was more of a MFY-hater joke, but still, anyone above .600 really should be able to sweep a team lower than .400
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Yeah.
But really, we should be able to sweep a team that’s got more losses than any other team has wins.
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Most Sox fans..
feel a 161-1 record is a failure. The goal is 95 wins for a division win or a wild card spot, it is an ultra marathon. Some teams like the Rockies are muy caliente, while others like the Phillies are unstoppable or just plain awful.
The team I kind of worried about isn’t the MFY, it is the Rays right now, then the MFY, then the Jays.
A .500 road trip is a raging success.
I have unrealistic expectations...
But sweeping the Nationals shouldn’t be difficult.
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Not over yet
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
/sarcasm?
Gameday doesn’t say if it was a hard grounder.
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I dont think so
he legged out a hit
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Thought Drugs was refering to the force out.
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It was hit hard
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it was
my comment was to bstoomuchtotype
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
6-4
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats going on with ur sig young man?
DO NOT BRING JACK WILSON OR NICK JOHNSON TO BOSTON !!!
by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You've been away too long.
The PB thing stuck around, so I decided to make it my sig. It’s kinda died since then.
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I thought so
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by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Yanks can get Pujols for cash
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
I wonder if Selig would let them do that.
It’d still be a trade, but you think he’d stop a trade that is effectively buying a player.
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how can he stop free will?
he didn’t protest when Yanks got cash for a player of equal talent — Jose Veras
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Commish has power to stop any deal, right?
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I dont know
I’d think labor lawyers & players unions would have a say
I’d think he could stop trades that seem suspect with no worries – like the proposed ARod to Sox deal – restructuring contracts & such
someone should research…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Quick Googling comes up with multiple results of stories in which a trade required commish approval...
Junior Griffey to Chicago is top result.
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do you see what I am saying
e in theory he could veto any trade but I would think he would need a legit reason— like the ARod to Sox deal— I’d think he cant just willy nilly ( sp) veto trades “just because”
I think some commish approval trades are cursory. I will prob look into it further , once I unravel the Cano mystery.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Ha.
I think he’d do it just to preserve what little integrity the game has left. Most of the majors is in contention, and he’s always trying to push for parity. Allowing rich teams to buy players from other teams wouldn’t really help the cause.
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Yeah
I don’t think parity or equal value matters because its too hard to judge… if one team needs speed and the other team needs a slugger—how do you compare ? Unless its suspect stuff like contract restructuring I’d say – “eh” if the 2 teams agree—- it is prob OK
- where are OTMs labor law attys?
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Tommy was on earlier...
I meant parity as in trying to keep as many teams in contention as possible.
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then do something about a salary cap
that luxury tax/ revenue sharing whatever its called really doesn’t do much it seems…
not sure but I’d think the union has more power than the commish in these areas…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Frack.
WTF is up with all of these formers hurting us?
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The Large Father is not known for his glove
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
always questioned
dumpping Bard! he looked better than Kottaras and he DH’d. I know he was way over his lifetime stats, but, he’s still better (this season) than Tek or George (I can catch knuckleballs) Kottaras
Because he is not good.
DO NOT BRING JACK WILSON OR NICK JOHNSON TO BOSTON !!!
by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Money, age, Bard's so-so defense, etc.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
amazing
1 pitcher, and we have to provide him with his own catching staff ???
He's been pretty F'n good this year, right?
Plus, how many games have we had an advantage in right after he pitches? Batters have to make a huge adjustment to try to hit him, and then they have to adjust back.
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Good, because that was a stupid idea.
DO NOT BRING JACK WILSON OR NICK JOHNSON TO BOSTON !!!
by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Update sig?
Not sure I ever really got your reasoning for it.
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Not really
It depends on what the Sox need and what is available. At the time it looked like the Sox may need a bat. Theo likes rentals because he doesn’t have to give up much for them. Johnson fit the bill. However, the Sox are also patient, and it looks like that patience will pay off.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Tek’s got a bum shoulder. Maybe we can get a catcher.
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by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not likely
Theo isn’t going to make a hig-cost trade.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yad Molina
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by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Which would be a high cost.
Cards are in their race.
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It won’t happen, but he is fun to watch.
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by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched him the other night vs. Detroit and was pretty impressed.
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by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Mauer
The Sox will probably go all out to sign Mauer, they have already sent feelers out they are willing to give him a Teixiera type contract, which is absurd for a catcher…
Where did you hear that?
If true, that’s tampering.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just the Gammons Cafardo rumor mill.
They are just drooling, they are not doing any tampering, (cough, JD Drew, cough)
He's playing through it and it's just a sore muscle.
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Single digit chance to win...
Time to create a nice little hill on the FanGraphs chart.
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hi all
still it feels good to see him pitch again
now we need some hope
GO SOX
Hey
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Paging Buchholz, Clay Buchholz.
Will Clay Buchholz please report immediately to the Boston Red Sox. . . .
Too soon
They’re going to give Smoltz more than one start to prove himself.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he is in detention
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by matzushocka45 on Jun 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They better
Heck we put up with Dice(y)-K for what seemed “forever”
We get burned by being too patient with a few guys...
But look at Papi.
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Pitchers are different
If the Sox had Dontrelle Willis, there would be suicides galore for keeping him in the rotation.
Papi’s problem could be cover as long as others like Bay and Youk were hitting well. Pitchers are pretty naked if they can hit the corners or they are throwing meatballs across the plate like Smoltz right now.
Wait, who's committing suicide to keep Willis in the rotation?
And pitchers can be streakier than batters.
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So, we're going to sacrifice ourselves...
To keep him IN?
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I feel for Willis
Wang, not so much
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Shocking news:
Griffin = Clippah
Dog. Man. Bite.
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Smoltz up 3rd
79 pitches (a) man/men on PH (b) 2 out, let him hit and keep working ????
"The Smoltz Rules"
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Wasn't one of the arguments against Dunn that he never gets a lot of ribbies?
As stupid as the argument is to begin with, he has 50 RBIs this year.
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The argument was that while OBP is terrific
productive outs are nice too. Ks kill.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
I remember seeing someone say that he never got enough RBIs.
It was some kinda proof that he didn’t produce.
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Sort of.
A D’backs fan said something about him being unproductive in Arizona, to which someone responded “40 hrs, .400 OBP”, to which someone else responded “ya but for a forty homer guy he doesn’t get enough RBIs” which led to a discussion about how perhaps maybe 180 Ks aren’t a good thing.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
You do that from memory or did you look it up on the archive?
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Nope, seems to mesh with what I was remembering.
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Smoltz Ks the side
Aside from the first inning, he wasn’t that bad. There are quite a few encouraging signs.
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Ha.
Not the most family friendly of pitchers.
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They love his multi-chins and the moles?
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Time for a rally!!!
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
1B to 3B on a single for Drew.
He’s committed to the cause.
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let hope so
Sox haven’t been shut-out this season
let me correct myself
ooooopppssss – we got KILLED back in April @ TB 13-to-ZIP
What are you talking about?
That never happened.
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i didn't either
was a forgettable performance both both the sox and beckett
We never played a game on April 30th.
[eye twitch]
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thats intresting (we lost that series 3 games to 1)
then 20,341 fans need to get their money back. Garza pitched 6 innings on no-hit ball. Ellsbury beat out an infield hit. Beckett 4.2-10-7-7-3-8 (2-2)
Anyone else think Bard might need to go back down to AAA?
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Yes
But who replaces him?
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by Drugs Delaney on Jun 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Buchholz.
Ease him in, let him get his confidence up against ML hitters.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
In other words
does anyone else hate home cooking, apple pie, and Red Sox baseball?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Bard = America
Demoting Bard to AAA = The Terrorists Win
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
My joke didn't work too well.
Taco Bell =\= {home cooking, apple pie}
BUT
Taco Bell = Red Sox baseball
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I don't disagree
perhaps moving Smoltz to the pen & calling up Buch wouldn’t be a bad idea. Just a thought though
our Bard - not the one we let go
took fielding lessons from Lugo
Hmm... Lugo at catcher. Sadly, I'd give him a shot at it in practice.
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now there's an idea
he can become the knuckleballer’s personal player
This sounds like an issue with Wake, not with Lugo.
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Good Night
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
he was fine up until a week ago
I expect they’ll just ride this out.
I don’t think they’ll bring up Bucholz for less than a start. And they’re not going to give up on Smoltz just because of the first inning.
Good Night All
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Down to 1% chance to win.
Epic comeback time.
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send those vibes to ATL
the Braves are making a game out of it…now I am really going.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Kott not in, Youk got replaced immediately, Rocco still not in.
Lugo still on the team bench too.
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that's not varitek behind the plate
if I am to believe the DC announcers. And I don’t know why they would lie to me.
too bad (also)
time for some “mop-up” pitching. Van Every’s on the DL. Bard down – Van Every up
If he's on the DL, how would he pitch?
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not a good night
when Willie Harris hits the upper deck.
I think i’ll watch the NBA draft of something else. Glad i decided against trying to go to this game, though I wish I’d gone to one of the other two. Guess I’ll have to try to catch the Sox in Balmer.
Who's up for us?
We can pull this off – bat around with back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back solo homers.
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Get Lugo up in the BP
let him earn a few of those bux he’s gettin paid
Not like we should fear him getting injured.
Wouldn’t be much of a waste.
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Mr. Jamie!
Dammit, Papi, get with the program!
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Tito, get off the GT and start managing.
With your OWN ideas.
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[in best Chrstian Bale sarcastic rant voice]
Oh, good for him!
THAT'S the money you could be saving with Geico
Ha.
Don’t think I’ve ever heard him do a sarcastic rant. Which movie?
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on the set of Terminator Salvation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrvMTv_r8sA
THAT'S the money you could be saving with Geico
Oh, the blow up?
I never listened to it.
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Kott, usually we'd all be thrilled that you managed a 7 pitch AB.
And you almost homered too – great, but ya’know, you could learn from Channelopathy boy.
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RamRam ain't a batter. Game.
On to Atlanta.
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