The Catching Situation – Improving from Within
During the last offseason, all Red Sox fans had the same top priority: finding someone to fill in for Jason Varitek, who had just come off a truly pathetic offensive season, putting up a career low 73 OPS+. Although the Red Sox no longer have anything to complain about when it comes to Varitek, whose impressive power numbers help to offset his low on base percentage, there's still the question of the future. At 37, Varitek is not likely to be a long term solution, and within as little as a year-and-a-half, the Sox are likely to need the replacement we all wanted last winter. While last year, the idea of finding a catcher within the organization seemed like a pipe dream, this year the Sox find themselves with a number of potential options at almost all levels of the minor leagues. These are the catchers who could, at some point in the future, be considered the Red Sox' "Catcher of the Future".
Mark Wagner – Wagner, a 24-year-old 9th round pick from 2005, stumbled in his first year at AA Portland after putting up impressive numbers in 2006 and 2007. After re-establishing himself in the Arizona Fall League with a line of .288/.373/.542 over 59 at bats, Wagner has been on fire in Portland, hitting .302/.435/.535. Wagner has always displayed a typical Red Sox approach at the plate, taking counts deep and walking often. With 3 passed balls, 0 errors, and a remarkable 76% of baserunners thrown out, Wagner is also a great defensive catcher. The main concerns with Wagner are his ability to frame pitches, and whether or not he can continue to perform at this level, as he's had a tendency to decline as the season continues.
Luis Exposito – After a breakout 2008, 22-year-old Exposito is experiencing some regression, primarily in power numbers as the Advanced-A Red Sox team has moved out of hitter-friendly Clear Channel Stadium. Currently batting .281/.340/.445, Exposito is showing improved plate discipline, walking at nearly twice the rate he did last year. Of all the Sox' catching prospects, Exposito is the closest to replacing Varitek's presence in the clubhouse and behind the plate, as he's incredibly popular with pitching staffs and is an excellent defender behind the plate. Exposito does allow too many stolen bases, throwing out only about 28% of baserunners, but his strong arm means it's likely a coachable problem.
Ryan Lavarnway – Picked in the 6th round last year, 21-year-old Lavarnway and Tim Federowicz are combining to produce admirable numbers from behind the plate in Greenville. Considered the more advanced offensive player, Lavarnway is putting up a line of .278/.350/.519. So far, his plate discipline hasn't been showing through in his stats, but the organization has not had any problems with his approach. Lavarnway is still raw behind the plate, having only become a catcher in 2007, and is only throwing out 23% of baserunners.
Tim Federowicz – 21-year-old Tim Federowicz was the Red Sox' 7th round draft pick last year. The more defensive-oriented of the Greenville catching duo, Federowicz is still having an arguably better year than Lavarnway, posting a line of .306/.363/.484. Tim has good game-calling abilities and is popular with the pitching staff, and while he's only throwing out 25% of baserunners so far, scouts like both his arm and his mechanics and expect this to be a positive part of his game. Federowicz also possesses good speed on the basepaths, stealing 10 bases and being caught only 3 times in Lowell last year.
Oscar Perez – A 17-year-old international free agent signee last year, Perez is sure to make you wonder what you've been doing with your life. Expected to advance straight to the Gulf Coast League, bypassing the Dominican Summer League, Perez will come in over a year younger than almost all his teammates. While some scouts doubt Perez can be a major league catcher, the Red Sox scouts liked him enough that the organization was willing to give him a signing bonus of $750,000.
Carson Blair – Oscar Perez' 19-year-old teammate, Blair is a converted infielder with plenty of raw potential. Drafted in the 35th round last year due to signability issues (he was previously committed to Tulane), Blair is a long-term project which could pay significant dividends, or nothing at all.
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Mauer
Besides these guys, Joe Mauer may become a free agent after next season, I would prefer him over these guys.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jun 2, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you prefer
Mauer over these guys? Come on…
by Buzzy on Jun 2, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These guys are clearly better than Mauer.
Everyone knows that. Also better than Wieters.
by rcpratt on Jun 2, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
McCann, Martin,
Piazza, Pudge
What losers. Mark Wagner is the MVP of all time.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 2, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
When did we become MFY fans?
Hey, let’s look at all the other teams in baseball as out farm team. We’ll buy this player and maybe that one. That’s really not Theo’s MO.
Mauer is great. He was born in St. Paul, MN. Something tells me he’ll be staying in MInnesota. But, if he’s available, I’m sure the Sox would be interested. So would the MFY, and you know how that will end …
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 2, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the MFY will be in a position to sign him, they will certainly try but they do have limits to their spending. Posada will be signed for another year, they really can’t move him to DH full time because they have a glut of players who will also be DHs at that point in their career. They have a young catcher they have been very happy with this season in Posada’s absence.
Tek’s deal (assuming the option is taken) will be up( Pretty sure it runs out in ‘10 right?), I don’t think he will be back. We have a few guys in the minors but none that are as impressive as Mauer, Theo isn’t afraid to pay for a need (Drew, Lugo, Dice-K).
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jun 2, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of their DH "glut" will be gone by then.
Matsui and Damon’s contracts are up after this year. Jeter’s and Mariano’s contracts are up after the 2010 season. So, the MFY are shedding payroll. If the MFY want a player, and all that matters is money, they’ll get him. The Sox are far more careful about overpaying players. That said, I think Mauer stays with his hometown team. Hey, the Twins came up with the money for Nathan.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 2, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nathan
They’re going to need a lot more money for Mauer than they needed for Nathan. Like $150 million more.
by Gnick on Jun 2, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there's one guy the Twinkies will shell out for, it's Mauer.
He’s a local boy made good (great).
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Jun 2, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 2, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
and i really would love if he will have his whole career with the Twins
but…
there was this talk bout it when the Soy played the Twins a week ago (on the Twins station).
that sounded more like “where he will go” (Yanks and Sox clearly favorized from the reporters) then “if he will go”.
i am not sure why they talked like this about it and still hope he will stay but i was awake immediately
by OilCanBoyd on Jun 2, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Drugs’ point is we should stop the silly speculations on all of the best players out there. Every hole we have someone comes on this site and says “we should get X.” If it worked this way, we would have Mauer, Pujols…When was the last time the Sox got a superstar as a FA? Julio Lugo? JD Drew? Come on.
The point is this-Mauer is playing for his home town team. I am sure that he and the Twins will have a good communication line. The Twins will know one of two things: either Mauer will want to stay, and they will resign him (perhpas to a home town discount) or he will go, and then they will trade him for the bank.
by Buzzy on Jun 2, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactimundo, Potsie!
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 2, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This site would be pretty boring if we shouldn’t speculate. I think that should Mauer hit the market (I truly don’t think he will), Boston has tons of motivation to go after him. I think this more likely to happen than say Dunn, AG, Victor or nearly any of the sluggers people have been drooling over in the Trade Possibilities posts.
Lugo and Drew weren’t examples of superstars, they are examples that Theo can and has over paid for players before. Who’s to say he won’t in the future?
I love our build from within mentality as much as anyone and I am really excited about the players coming up from our minor leagues, but will any of these catchers be major league ready after Tek is gone? Besides Wagner I don’t think any of them will make it to the big show.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jun 2, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
you are going to speculate, please try to do so creatively and with a hint of reality. Mauer is not really an out-of-the box thought (“hey-how about a team of Pujols, Utley…”) Especially if you claim “you prefer him over the other guys.” Well who doesn’t?? He is also not a realistic option.
Sure Theo can overpay. But there is a big difference between 9 mill a year and 20+ mil a year. Lastly, while a way away, Exposito his a very good shot of making it. He won’t be Mauer though.
by Buzzy on Jun 2, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer is actually something of a realistic thought, though.
The Red Sox are one of the most pocketbook-powerful teams in the league, they need a catcher, and Tek’s contract is up the year Mauer becomes a FA. Beyond that, the Yankees are already burdened with a good few max contracts, and it’s easy to think they’d want to avoid having quite so much money wrapped up for quite so long in just 4 guys.
The Sox, on the other hand, will have just shed their 2 worst contracts in Lugo and Ortiz. Drew will be on the way out. God willing Lars and Reddick will replace the latter 2 and Lowrie will be a competent SS. This’ll leave them with tons to spend even if they should resign Beckett. That’s the benefit of having a youth movement is that they don’t cost much, and we should by then have young or cheap players at 1B, 2B, SS, 3B or DH (depending on the Lars, Youk, Lowell’s replacement situation), CF, and 3 of 5 SP positions. We’ve gotta spend somewhere, right?
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 2, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had been convinced listening around here
that Varitek’s poor hitting was just par for the course with catchers in the major leagues. What a surprise when I saw Mauer as a top hitter, and a power hitter at that, coming from the catcher’s position. Yes, I vote to get him ASAP to replace the unpredictable Varitek, who will only get worse rapidly with short itme increases.
by NG on Jun 2, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Most people forget he is only 26 y.o. and he already has 5 years of experience. That is unheard of this day in age. When was the last time you saw a catcher come up at age 21? I think the power is legit, and people never noticed the power potential until now. Will he slug .838 for the rest of the season? No. I do think he will slug around .600 though for the rest of his career. He will be the next Piazza that can also play defense.
Don’t forget he is 6’5" 220 pounds and has had the best batting average in the AL two out of the 5 years he has played.
by drabidea on Jun 2, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His size is scary though.
He could break down quickly.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How are the MFY burdened?
Right now, their payroll is about $205 million, about $4 million lower than last year. The have $166 million in obligations for next year, giving them about $40 million to play with. They’re on the hook for $118 million for 2010.
As you can see, they have plenty of money for a corner OF for next year—and more than enough for Mauer.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 2, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will sign Holliday and Lackey this offseason
Watch.
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
by Charged on Jun 2, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Epstein hasn't paid for a superstar from without.
Previous GMs brought us Manny Ramirez and kept Pedro Martinez around during his prime.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Jun 2, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with RogueNine on this one...
Mauer will be available. He is going to command $20M+ per year (as long as he stays healthy and productive the next two years) and it is not smart for a team with a $65M payroll to pay that kind of money to one player. I think he might be open to some kind of hometown discount, but my guess is he will have to give up something like $50M to stay in MN. That is too much money. So unless they sign him waaaayy below market he will be available, maybe even this winter.
In terms of Theo and superstars, I’m pretty sure he is willing to spend when he has to. He went all out for Teixeira and spent $100M on Dice-K. Mauer will be one of the truely special, one-of-a-kind players who ever come available. It is not silly speculation with him.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very misleading
1)Tex was a FA. So was Dice-K. Tex was a FA who was offered a bundle and we still were outbid. Absolutely zero chance that Mauer hits free angency. Want to make a bet on that?
2)So if he is available it will be by trade. What will we have to offer? Given the fact that a catcher’s shelf life is not that long, that Mauer had back problems this year, that we will have to up him for 20+mill over a long contract + pay Minn in talent, it looks less likely to me than “realistic” that with all factors the deal would even look attractive to the Sox FO. It means there will be one route-trade +sign high (eg Santana). This changes the playing field. How?
3)Minn turned down our offer which was far better than the Mets becuase they wanted to ship Santana out of the AL. Who is to say that Minn has to follow our rules?
I’m sorry-it might be reasonable to speculate he will not sign with the Twins, but it is a long shot that he will be a Red Sox player. We have a payroll less than both NY teams and the Cubs, as well as being in the same league as many other teams that need a catcher (Detroit, Phillies…), so even if he hit FA, there are many teams that could and would out bid. But he wont hit FA, which puts the AL teams at a disadvantage. A huge outlay will have to be made for one player who will be have to be signed long term. Again, if this is so realistic, show me where there is evidence that Theo does this? It is not smart-it puts all your eggs in one basket, and a catcher does not always hold up long term. It will cost a lot of players +money, something this team really does not like to do. Does it not make more sense to fill out the position with a solid if not spectacular player and fill hitting needs elsewhere in a more economical fashion?
by Buzzy on Jun 2, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I don’t even know how likely it is that Mauer wont be resigned. Twins have a new stadium coming on line. He is their hometown star. The will part with anyone, including Morneau, but not sure about Mauer at all. If he goes, it will be by trade, but I have my doubts that he will go at all, and may even sign for less to stay with the Twins.
by Buzzy on Jun 2, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are over-stating the case.
1. I think there is a solid chance that Mauer becomes a FA. I doubt the Twins will shop him until 1. they are 100% sure they will be unable to sign him and they are not competitive. So if they hang in the race this year, they are going to go into the off-season as buyers, not sellers, in order to field a competitive team for the new stadium. And if they stay competitive throughout next year, there is no way they trade him mid-season.
If they are not in the race and they trade him, there is no guarantee that he resigns with the team he is traded to (ala Mark Teixeira, Adam Dunn, etc.). These scenarios do not seem so far fetched to me.
2. And to think that the Sox will not be in on the auction of a once-in-a-decade talent is crazy. This front office has shown that they will do anything to make this team good every year. They will be contenders if/when Mauer becomes available. It will be between us, the MFY, the Mets and maybe someone else.
Do I think we will for sure get him? obviously not. But I think getting Mauer is more likely than getting Adrian Gonzalez or Hanley Ramirez. It seems as likely as most everything else we discuss around here.
But I do think it was kind of hilarious that the first comment in an article titled “Catcher Options: Improving From Within” was suggesting we get Mauer.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 2, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I do think it was kind of hilarious that the first comment in an article titled "Catcher Options: Improving From Within" was suggesting we get Mauer.
I guess this irritated me. I hate to see all of these threads degenerate into “Lets get X” where X is the best player in the world at said position.
I actually disagree about Mauer being more available that Hanley or Gonzalez. Just like Gonzalez he is a home town boy who has a lot of respect for Minnesota, and loves being there. Hell, the Twins even drafted his brother so he would sign. They are building a new stadium that they want to fill. He will either resign, or have enough respect for his home town team to tell them that they should shop him. I will be on the former, but if it is the latter, it means that the Sox chancce is substantially deminished.
Of course the Sox would consider it, and be in on it. But Santana was also a once-in-a-decade player. The Sox put in quite an offer, and the Twins took less to get him out of the AL. In all, this just reeks of the stupid shit that the Yankee fans spout on NY sports radio. Let’s at least see how the Mauer thing plays out from the standpoint of Minnesota before immediately saying “gee, I like Mauer mort than the crap we have in our farm.” I mean, come on…
by Buzzy on Jun 2, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, its a little premature to discuss Mauer now. There will be a time for that and I actually hope that the Twins are able to keep him. But my guess is that in the next 6-18 months there will be a lot of Mauer talk around here.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 2, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mind stopped reading after Improving.
But I thought that any post involving improving the catcher position should at least mention that maybe the major’s best catcher might become a free agent the same year Tek’s contract is up and likely before any of our prospects are fully prepared to join the Sox.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Jun 2, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a bit of a mental issue you have there Rogue.
Not that I read everything, but still, read more than half the title.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catcher's Situation
I am really hoping that they keep giving Kottaras more playing time. He has shown that he is excellent with Wakefield, however, we haven’t really seen him that much with the other pitchers. We saw him with Dice-K the other night and the results weren’t pretty. Some of that was Dice-K’s fault and some I think was Kottaras’s. It is alot harder to block a major leaguer’s curveball then a minor leaguer’s.
It is still too early to tell with George, but he still has the potential to be a good stop gap till one of our minor leaguer’s moves up through the system.
by drabidea on Jun 2, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Brown
There wasn’t much mention of him in this post either. He is a great defensive catcher first of all, the worries about him are all on the offensive side of things. Last year was the first year he showed a good bat hitting .290/.377/.471 with 12hr and 55 rbi in 84 games. All of this was done in AAA. Unfortunately he is known as a streaky hitter so there wasn’t much confidence in him to hit well again this year. So far this year in 36 AAA games he is hitting .260/.349/.359 with 2 hr and 9 rbi. Nothing nearly as close to last year but still decent numbers for a catcher.
Unfortunately he is already 27 yo so he would only be another stop gap catcher till one of our younger prospects comes up. However, an excellent defensive catcher with average to below average hitting still seems like an excellent stop gap.
by drabidea on Jun 2, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm more looking at guys who have a shot to be more.
I think all of these guys have a chance to actually make it at the big league starting level with the Sox. Probably only 2, at most, will really pan out in the end. But they’re way more likely than Dusty Brown, who’s pretty much a AAAA guy.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't mean to criticize the post
It was a great post, and I don’t really consider Dusty Brown as a legit prospect. I understand why he was left out. I was just letting others know that we will never be a long term solution, however, he could be a short term solution until the other prospects are mature enough for the bigs. There is a reason catchers take alot of development and I would not want to rush one up just to fill a roster spot. I would also not want to trade away great prospects to fill a roster spot with a mediocre catcher.
by drabidea on Jun 2, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on the Author position, USG.
Does this mean that the Minor Lines might start being front page material?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point...
USG is going to do more of a weekly “feature” plus Minor Lines. I figured it’d help spice up the front a little…
by Randy Booth on Jun 2, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna keep it on the side bar. I dunno.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 2, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a FanPost, they work. I was just saying I was hoping you’d continue to do the Minor Lines…
by Randy Booth on Jun 2, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weekly summaries of the minors?
Or on every off day the Sox get (weekly-ish).
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weekly
Though I’m not sure I’d call it a summary. Let’s just call ’em “pieces” or “bits”. I, again, dunno.
But yeah, Minor Lines will continue.
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 2, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thankful for every "piece" and "bit" here on the receiving end
by OilCanBoyd on Jun 2, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Still, it’d be cool to find a clever new name for Minor Lines and the “pieces” or “bits.”
Best I can come up with: some laundry reference [Fresh Sox, etc.], and the small “bits” could be “Hanging Threads.” Except that sounds violent and gruesome.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, btw, USG.
Wagner’s looking better and better – and Ex.Po.Si.To. could be epic once he matures into a major leaguer.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We should have just traded Manny for Martin
/end rant.
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
by Charged on Jun 2, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And we'd have no Bay!!!!
WTF are you thinking Charged!?!?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not right now
but he would be a FA after this season.
Sign him + get Martin in a trade = only concern is shortstop. So what the dude is slumping right now, he’s an amazing catcher.
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
by Charged on Jun 2, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then we would've lost the ALDS last season.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...And proceed to lose in the ALCS.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Jun 3, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Sox made a lot more money off of the ALCS.
It’s a business.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 4, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't spend too much on a catcher...
Mauer is a tempting, but it is a really hard postion, day in and day out. I would rather the Sox have him play another position if they want to keep his bat. If they want a catcher to handle the pitching staff, then Mauer and not relying on him too much as a bat in the lineup. the position just wears a player down, which I think why Tek’s hitting was pretty good a couple years ago to more mediocre.
I would think it would be great if the Sox could get Mauer or Victor Martinez. However, I just think huge multi year contracts for catcher is a bad idea, given they just get beat up behind the plate.
From what I read, Mauer can handle a staff very well.
by superferret on Jun 2, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or both Mauer and Martinez
I wonder if the ideal situation is to have two starting-caliber catchers and have them split time behind the plate and at DH. Sure, that would mean Papi is gone, but damn if he hasn’t looked like Julio Lugo in his first half season with the Sox this year — if he doesn’t pick it up in the next couple of months, he’s done anyway.
So if somehow you ended up with both Mauer and Martinez, you could give them each 70-75 starts a year behind the plate and another 70-75 at DH. You’d get the benefit of both their bats every day, and they’d both catch enough to stay sharp without risking precipitous breakdown.
But that will never happen. Texas has a shot at it — you’d really have to develop two starting-caliber catchers at the same time — but you know they’re going to end up trading away every catcher they have but one.
by RSNexile on Jun 2, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expensive.
And what if they both break down? VMart is supposed to be a 1B within a couple of years, and Mauer is way too big for his own good. Plus, how would the pitching staff respond to having two different catchers?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 2, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said, it'll never happen
But what if it did?
What if they both break down? Well, they’ll be less likely to break down and they’ll take longer before they do it if they’re only catching half as much as they are now.
How would the pitching staff respond to having two different catchers? How do they respond when a catcher gets hurt? They’re professionals — if they can’t work with it, they’re not going to last very long anyway. And if you’re really more concerned with chemistry than prima donnas, you could have one catcher catch two starters, the other catch the other two, and both catch Wake, who can work with anyone who can catch a knuckler and is the ultimate team guy.
by RSNexile on Jun 3, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't thought of that, the splitting up of the staff.
But if one breaks down (which both will, age if not experience will cause it), then the other has to learn a whole new set of pitchers. And the bullpen would have to deal with both.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 4, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you have one starter and he gets hurt?
How is that different for the rotation? And the bullpen works with more than one catcher already.
by RSNexile on Jun 6, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Mauer leaves Minn.
Look for Mauer to have a contract higher than Jeter and Texeira. The Sox may have to pay him 25 million per year. I don’t disagree with paying high contracts, but look what happens when the person has two or three years left on the contract and they can’t hit anymore. AKA ORTIZ, LUGO, and DREW then the team is stuck.
I suggest we trade with S.F. Giants and get Buster Posey. I know he is their prize young catcher in the minors, but we have the studs to do such a trade. I don’t mind trading a stud for a stud. I wonder what the asking price would be.
When they dug up Big Papi's jersey in Yankee stadium did they happen to find his swing with it!
by Bowdawg on Jun 3, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Definately try for Buster
But that’s probably impossible. We do have plenty of relievers, and our starters, while not all young, are starting to come around, so we could package some up and send them over. I saw Buster play firsthand, and he is truly amazing. He always seems to come through in the clutch, and i saw him play all nine positions in a game, also. Even if we put together a great pitching package, the Giants already have Cain and Lincecum to build their rotation around, but maybe Bard could help anchor the bullpen.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Jun 3, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bard for Buster
Accept, accept, accept!!!! I think the only player that would pull Buster by hisself would be Buch! Maybey Bowden and Bard but that is a lot in itself. Buster is a lot cheaper, and it would solve a huge catcher hole for years down the line. Not to mention a whole lot cheaper.
When they dug up Big Papi's jersey in Yankee stadium did they happen to find his swing with it!
by Bowdawg on Jun 3, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need a power hitter.
They have a huge lack of homers. Also, why can’t Drew hit anymore, Bowdawg?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 4, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask him!
I can’t explain why he is hitting .255, and I can’t explain why Ortiz can’t hit his weight, and I can’t explain why Lugo can’t hit or field good anymore. Don’t get me wrong Drew is better right now than the other two, but he sure isn’t worth the contract we are paying him for.
When they dug up Big Papi's jersey in Yankee stadium did they happen to find his swing with it!
by Bowdawg on Jun 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was asking for a statistical reason.
Drew was worth more than his contract last year, and could come close to it this year. We did overpay him, but the extra money was necessary to get him to begin with. And don’t look into his BA too much – his wOBA this year is .365, a little above average, but not the phenomenal .400 it was last season.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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