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Jonathan Papelbon, possibly doing his very best Jerry Maguire impression: SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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Jonathan Papelbon, possibly doing his very best Jerry Maguire impression: SHOW ME THE MONEY!


According to MLB Trade Rumors, Papelbon recently gave an interview with Jody McDonald and Bert Blyleven on Sirius XM radio, in which he announced his willingness to play for the Yankees:

"Oh, of course.  I mean, I think if we can’t come to an agreement on terms here in a Red Sox uniform, I mean, I think that’s pretty much the writing on the wall.  If they can’t come to terms with you they’re letting you know that, ‘Hey you know what? We can go somewhere else.’  And I think it’s the same way on the other side, ‘Hey if ya’ll can’t come to an agreement with me then I can go somewhere else.’  Not only in the Bronx, but anywhere.  I think anywhere is a possibility. You always have to keep that in the back of your mind because you can’t just be one-sided and think that, ‘Oh I’m going to be in a Red Sox uniform my entire career.’  Because nowadays that is very, very rare and hopefully we can because there’s no question I would love to stay in a Boston Red Sox uniform but I have to do what’s best for me and play in an atmosphere where I’m wanted and play on a team where I’m wanted and that’s all I can really say about that, you know?"

Let the recriminations commence. In the mean time, I'll see if I can verify this story at all. If anyone has a working link to the radio interview, please post it in the comments.

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If Papelbon truly is willing to go to the Yankees for mo' money, what should his punishment be?
I can't believe this story. Paps would never do this to the loyal Red Sox fans.
181 votes
Tar and feathers. It's a fine Boston tradition.
288 votes
A demotion to mop-up duty. Then he'll never get saves or a look from the Yankees.
55 votes
Nothing. If he wants to rake the Yankees for all they got, more power to him. I'd certainly do my job elsewhere for more $$$.
561 votes
E.Coli, you are turning into the New York Post! Don't publish 'stories' that haven't been independently confirmed!
207 votes

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I think we all saw this coming

Paps has made it pretty clear, he wants the money. Most likely the Yankees are going to be the one to give it to him. When he is finally eligable for free agency in 2011 the Yankees will need a closer (I don’t think Mo has that many years left in him).

Paps has seen the recent pay upgrades for closers lately and wants to get paid BIG bucks. As far as I am concerned he can go for it, that is what the yankees are for, players who want to get paid more then they are worth and don’t want to play the game hard.

We have alot of relievers waiting in the wings to take over the closer role for a much cheaper price. I think Theo will give him an offer that we see fair, Paps will not accept and will be gone.

Prepare yourself Red Sox Nation

by drabidea on Jun 19, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Bard will be ready to take over by then

Besides, I tend to think a team like the Sox would do just fine against Paps. Yeah, he’s a great closer, but he’s been allowing an awful lot of baserunners this year. An exceedingly patient team like the Sox could beat him like he’s the second coming of Mariano Rivera in the 2004 postseason.

by RSNexile on Jun 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am absolutely furious with Papelbon’s comments. I don’t know who he thinks he is, but to come out and say this, and referring to the Red Sox’s biggest rivals (THE YANKEES) makes me want to take back the jersey I just bought a mere two days ago.

All he cares about is the money, not the fans. I am disgusted.

I would trade him now. Send him to the Pirates. I really don’t care. Daniel Bard is the new closer from now on.

by 1986-BUCKNER-NO-MORE on Jun 19, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This sounds suspiciously like a sarcastic troll.

If not, WTF were you doing buying a Paps jersey?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you read the interview, it was a lot more innocent than this snippet that MLBTR pulled out of it. The question was like-if you don’t sign in Boston, would you consider the Yanks. I think Pap was trying to say that he’d consider everywhere to get a nice salary, notice how he said “not only the Bronx but anywhere”. So let’s worry about this in 2011, but a lot could change between now and then, including Pap’s age and majority. The other thing is that Theo can come up clutch with players he feels loyalty from and feels are a necessity for the club. Theo and Pap are tight, and he is a presence on the mound and in PR (Manny didn’t want a part in representing the club in ads and around the community, so less remorse there). Also, Pap was a player that Theo drafted. So if the Pap deserves a big contract (which he probably will)-I think that the Red Sox will be fair in negotiating with him to come to agreement on what he deserves.

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."

by revigik on Jun 19, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually the above snippet is from

Pinstripe Alley’s story. Do you know where I can find the full interview?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2009/06/18/papelbon-of-course-i-want-to-stay-in-boston/

It’s from Weei

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."-Manny Ramirez

by revigik on Jun 19, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paps wants to break the bank, Theo will not give him Mariano type money. Not bc Paps is not a good closer but bc Theo does not believe in paying closers that type of money.

Its the same deal as K-Rod.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both Buchholz and Paps must STFU

If Paps thinks playing for another team for more money is going to be the best road, well see ya K-Rod. While I believe that the limp wrist Frisbee thrower Fuentes is a terrible pitcher he does have 18 saves and the Angels are 2 out of first with a ton of injuries, so K-Rod really meant nothing to them.

Paps is gone, he wants 15 million + a year and Theo will never give him that. The Red Sox will get a pick and they have Bard to fall back on. I would bet a lot of money that Theo will trade Paps in the off season.

As for Buchholz’s comments, well I never really liked this kid, he has a checkered past and I would LOVE to ship him to SD in an AG deal.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What were Buchholz's comments?

Is there any transcript available?

by OSUlovesSwisher on Jun 19, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clay Buchholz and Michael Bowden both believe their impressive starts at Triple A Pawtucket would translate into big-league success. Buchholz told Mike Giardi of NECN.com that he’s ready to help Boston, but said “if not that team, I want to be in the big leagues and I do want to go somewhere where I’ll be able to play and pitch every fifth day.” Buchholz did not suggest that he’s hoping for a trade, but he’s clearly eager to return to the majors. Check out Joe Haggerty’s transcript on Hacks with Haggs.

Bowden says he would “hate to leave” the Red Sox organization in this clip on the Boston Globe’s site. He says it would be worth spending extra time in the minors if it allows him to pitch for the Red Sox in the future.

Full story interview here: http://www.necn.com/Boston/Sports/2009/06/14/Candid-Buchholz-itching-to/1245029231.html

My point is why even say anything, shut up wait your turn like everyone else.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you blame him?

He is a profesional athlete who wants to compete. He is very competitive. He wants to pitch in the Majors.

He was asked a question so he answered. I don’t have any problem with what Buch said.

by drabidea on Jun 19, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is also part of a team and an organization

Yes, I blame him for listening to his agent and not simply shutting up, performing and being a team player.

Look how Bowden answered v. Buchholz. Bowden comes off like the guy you want on your team, Buchholz comes off like a guy who wants to get through his arbitration years asap, regardless of where he plays.

I don’t like Buchholz, never have, so I am bias on this one. I think the kid has very little heart, suspect work ethic and he will eventually fold in a big game situation. This is only my opinion, but his comments are the kind of statements I would expect from Ochocinco or T.O.. Maybe not as derogatory, but they give me pause and another thing to ad onto my list of reasons to trade this guy while his name is still “hot.”

I might be wrong on this one, but its the feeling I get when I see this kid pitch or read about him.

P.S. just another comment on his statements…the Red Sox have been running a PR campaign that would make Fox News proud. They have been trying to spin his comments for about a week without a peep from Buchholz, which tells me that they were not too pleased with his comments either.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buchholz's comments were innocuous

He wants to play in the majors. What’s wrong with that?

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are part of an organization

you do not comment on pitching for another franchise while discussing your future with that franchise. Again, I really want to be lead attorney on a major defamation case, but my partners get first shot bc they have seniority. If I say to a colleague that my goal is to be lead on this type of case and claim I would walk to another firm to get the chance, well guess what, I better start looking now.

You do not make comments about future career moves while you are employed by another company, its disrespectful and frankly classless.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does your firm handle defamation cases?

I was under the impression (perhaps mistaken) that you were a labor lawyer.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually thought immigration law…

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's me

I was an immigration lawyer, now I’m a labor lawyer.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jun 19, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

You migrated your work.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my firm handles lots of different areas, but I am an entertainment lawyer/intellectual property. I was trained in house at a hollywood production company and specialize in entertainment and corporate litigation.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a difference.

You have the option of leaving and going to another firm (I assume). Buch does not. If the Sox decide to keep him in the minors, it severely impacts his ability to earn money in the league. Talking like this might be his only option if he wants to play in the majors.

That said, I think he has to wait his turn. We gave him a chance last season and he blew it. Now, he has to be patient and he should understand that. If he stays in AAA for another few months, then I might start bitching. But right now he should keep his mouth shut.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Further coverage

From Mike Silverman of the Herald. Says there’s a WEEI.com transcript.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More coverage

from WEEI. Has a bit more background.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Paps.

As Sox fans we can’t have it both ways. Most of us do not think its a good move to give Paps big money, but then we are mad when he says he’ll go play somewhere else? Of course he will go play somewhere else. Why do people think that players should basically pay money (by accepting smaller contracts) to play for the Sox? We grew up loving the Sox, Jonathon Papelbon did not.

I hate the Yankees as much as anyone, but to say that the MFY are for players that “don’t want to play the game hard.” is absurd beyond belief. Who here would not accept more money to do their job for a competing company? Especially when the “more money” is tens of millions of dollars? People have to get off their high horses and think about this from Paps perspective.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with him signing with the Yankees

My problem is that he made the comments during a season in which he plays for their rivals. Not smart. Personally, I think Paps will sign with either the Yankees or Cubs or another big market team, and I think that team will regret it, just like the Mets eventually will regret paying K-Rod 12-13 million a year. Its just too much for a guy who only pitches 50-65 innings a year.

My point on both Buchholz and Paps is just shut up and deal with these issues in the off season. Your comments reflect the organization. If I went into work today and was caught by my partners talking about moving to another firm in a year, I would be fired on Monday. Its disrespectful.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between Paps' and Buchholz's comments

Buchholz is frustrated and wants to pitch in the majors. Paps wants a big payday, even though he is under the Sox’ control for two more seasons. While the former is a kid who just wants his chance, the latter shouldn’t be talking free agency for a couple of years.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

and maybe I am being too hard on Buchholz, but you guys definately are not looking at his second comment in terms of an organization. He is their top prospect and future star, he could of been traded very easily for Johan Santana, he did not do very well the 1st go around the bigs and now he makes a comment about pitching for another franchise?

Sorry, if I am Theo, his comments will be remembered.

Again, look at Bowden’s comments and compare. This is entertainment, sure sports ent., but its entertainment and perception and public relations matter.

The point is you say the right things or say nothing at all.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It makes no sense for Theo to "remember" the comments

Why bother? Buchholz is either a part of your long-term plans or he isn’t. If the Sox have big plans for Buchholz—and it looks like they do—why would the organization hold a grudge? It serves no purpose. If he gates the call and does well, how are the Sox served by remembering this interview? If he fails, the Sox will move to another option (Bowden, Masterson, ?).

Regarding Bowden, he is a few years younger than Buchholz with far fewer expectations. As for dumb comments, nobody put his foot in his mouth more than Curt Schilling, who would still be on the Sox if he could pitch. If Buchholz fits the Sox’ long term plans, he will play and his comments will be forgotten—as they should.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont remember Schilling saying anything negative about the Red Sox

and I would remember, I cant stand Schilling ever since he used the 2004 WS victory to endorse President Bush and the Iraq war.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buchholz didn't say anything negative about the Sox
“There’s nowhere to go, it’s sort of a logjam up there and they’re doing what they feel is right up there for the team to win,” Buchholz told NECN’s Mike Giardi over the weekend (video at left). “Whenever they come to a problem they seem like they find a way to fix it without me being in the picture. It is what it is. It’s frustrating at times but I’m going out every fifth day here, trying to help this team win and trying to get better every day I go out.”
“All the way up through the system in the minor leagues there wasn’t really that big of a hill that I had to climb … it wasn’t until I got to the big leagues was when I faced [adversity],” Buchholz told Giardi. “I feel like I’m more equipped with everything that I have right now as far as the pitches and the mental aspect and physically healthy to be up there and helping that team. If not that team I want to be in the big leagues and I do want to go somewhere where I’ll be able to play and pitch every fifth day.”

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with what Buchholz said. Tito certainly didn’t have a problem with Buchholz’s commets:

“There was one line in there, out of a really mature interview,” Francona said. “I actually watched that interview, and I thought there was one throwaway line in there that is getting a lot of attention, over a pretty mature kid,” Francona said.

“If you go down and ask 25 guys in Pawtucket, which one of them do you think is going to say, ‘I don’t want to go to the big leagues’? I mean, seriously, who do you think would do that? Whoever says that, we don’t want him,” Francona said.

You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill, SoxAcumen.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think so

he inferred his desire to pitch in the bigs no matter to the team. You can disagree, but I have seen and heard many professional athletes make statements that people blew off as nothing, which turned out to be a harbinger to a negative attitude.

btw its not just me, many people read that line and did an instant double take.

Again, if you read what Bowden said v. Buchholz, you can see the difference in attitude, which is what is concerning, not his desire to pitch in the bigs.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was just statng the obvious.

He’s ready for the bigs, if not in Boston, then somewhere else.

Out of curiousity, this season counts towards his FA availability, correct?

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jun 20, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so.

He is not accruing major league service time, so I would guess it does not. That is why I would be pissed if I were Clay. But he would still be in the majors if he hadn’t sucked last year.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 20, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to touch the last bit.

In case any of the mods were preparing for a politics fight.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Santana trade was much, much more than Buchholz

the Twinkies wanted something like Lester, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Bowden for Santana. Another deal was something like or Lester, Crisp, Lowrie and Bowden or Masterson. Basically they wanted the entire gems of the Sox farm system.

Buchholz has a right to speak out, and feel frustrated. Even though I am probably his biggest skeptic and feel he should dealt with for a rent-a-player for two months, He could be starting for most MLB teams. As long as he pitches on the days he is penciled in for, he is being a dutiful employee.

by superferret on Jun 19, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is unfair

What was offered and what Minnesota got are two completely different things. Minnesota did not turn down either offer, Theo took them off the table as did the Yankees. What they got was basically Carlos Gomez. So Buchholz with a package that does not include Lester or Ellsbury or Masterson or Bowden was a possibility.

And go into work on Monday and talk ill about your status about your frustration with your position, tell me how that goes with your boss.

Point is the kid should shut up and pitch.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did buchholz steal your gf once upon a time

you seem so personally upset and offended by him lol.

diference between buch and paps:
paps wants more money
buch wants to pitch in the bigs

paps is already paid what he is worth, and hes in the middle of a big league season. then he says he wants to pitch for the team just 3 games behind thme in the divison race?

buch just wants another chance to pitch in the bigs.

by j-ace on Jun 19, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh look at the topic..

It is about Paps’s comments. Which I don’t find a big deal. Many Boston fans will go batshit if the words “Yankees” and “deal” are involved. Much like whispering “Duke of Alba” in the Netherlands and in Flanders, and people will get all agitated. (well I doubt it, it has been some 400 or so years since his reign of terror), but you never know.

You have been going off on Buchholz, who just said he would like to play in the majors. you have been told it is no big deal, but you still act like Buchholz took the batteries out of your “Anal Intruder” (see the film “Top Secret”) while in mid use.

Buchholz’s comments are far from dissing the Sox Management. The Sox Management are tied up with MLB rules on 40 man roster, certain MLB player’s contract that can’t send them down to the minors. The Sox would jump at putting Buchholz in the rotation and send down Dice-K to Pawtucket, if rules allowed them to.

I am probably one of the few Sox fans, who feel that Buchholz isn’t that great, mainly he has these Jose Contreas like meltdowns on the mound. Like Contreas, he also can be unhittable. I rather trade Buchholz for someone like Victor Martinez, Justin Upton or another heavyweight position player.

  if Buchholz did do something like what Scott Boras’s client are kind of renown in doing, refuse to play, threaten not to play until extortion like money demands are not met, or demand to be traded, then that is outrageous. As long as his boss tells him to pitch on his assigned day, and he complies, then he is doing his job, and he brings fans to the seats, and more money to help buy the batteries for your anal intruder that he stole from you.

by superferret on Jun 20, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem with what Paps said.

Do I want to hear this during the season? No. But ultimately we’ve known this all along that he’s looking to get paid and that’s it. I don’t think he’s approaching the game differently than the organizations do. It’s a business in which he knows he can get paid big bucks. If that’s what he wants, so be it. There’s no loyalty in baseball so why should this come as a surprise. It just so happens that the team who’d pay him the most is our rivals. I don’t necessarily take it as he wants to be a Yankee. He wants the Triple Crown – money, power and respect. Sox won’t offer the money (I’m assuming) so the next best fit is the Bronx.

by BOSPORTS on Jun 19, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Paps

Really has not been that good this year. His K/9 is his lowest since 2005 and his BB/9 is his highest since 2005. HIs K/BB has dropped to a relatively unimpressive 2.21, his WHIP is 1.34, and his FIP has jumped to 3.93. I wouldn’t be all that opposed to trading him after the season if it got us a nice prospect such as Matt LaPorta, or, dare I dream, SS Alcides Escobar.

by Gnick on Jun 19, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Either would be a great move for us.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No surprise

He’s basically an immature guy who makes a number of stupid statements. This isn’t the first time he has said this about money with threats to leave, nor is it the first time he’s put his foot in his mouth. Papelbon a great competitor and the Sox need him….and will pay him big bucks, I assume, to keep him, but those comments are not necessary, especially during the middle of the season. Can you imagine guys like Derek Jeter or Albert Pujols saying something like that? No…….they have more class. Unfortunately, guys like them are in the small minority.

by ccthemovieman on Jun 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree the reason Jeter doesn't say something like that is because he is just a classy guy.

The reason Jeter doesn’t say something like that is because,

A: He is going to make 21,600,000$ compared to Pap’s 6,250,000$

B: Jeter is a phony, he would give a disingenuous answer reporters about how he isn’t going to think about that right now. He just wants to get out there and play the game, he loves the Yankees and new york, and wants to avoid distractions.

Does anyone really read something like that and think, “Wow this guy is a real class act”?

Lets put it this way, if the Yankees came to Jeter and told him, “Derek ole buddy ole pal, we are hurting this year, economy and what have you. We can only afford to give you 6 million this year, or you can go to the Red Soxs for who are offering 20 million.” Do you think the class act Jeter is going to take one for the team?

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Jeter is the soul of disingenuousness.

re: Jeter on the Sox
I’d have trouble imagining Captain Intangibles joining our Captain Intangibles. Two captains on one boat is a recipe for mutinee. I think the Yankees will continue playing and paying him as long as they can.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Although Jeter does donate a lot of his money, but that could also just a be a PR ploy.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also for tax reasons...

I am not saying foundations are tax dodges but for someone making $20-25 million a year, it can take a bit of a pinch off his federal and NY income tax.

by superferret on Jun 20, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great.

Now I can’t feel good about charity anymore – thanks, ferret.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though I am a Sox fan and Jeter plays for the MFY...

I still respect the guy as a player and as a person… The only class act they have, really.

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by BHeebs on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are mistaking classy with savvy.

Jeter would not say these things because he knows the shit-storm it would bring (and, as ruktuim pointed out, there is no one that would make more than the Yanks.) Varitek barely said anything publicly about either of his negotiations; he knew it wouldn’t do him any good. Paps, on the other hand, is more impulsive and passionate. You see this everytime he takes the mound. This part of his personality is exactly why we all love him; and sometimes hate him.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed on the "mistaking classy with savvy"

It’s not just what you say that makes you classy, it’s also what you do. Wake is classy, Lowell is classy, Jeter isn’t classless, but I wouldn’t point to him as an example of classy. He’s smart enough and has some class to not make comments like Paps, but he also left A-Rod high a dry when the media was attacking him, as the captain none the less, not exactly a classy thing to do.

by Realistic on Jun 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, to summarize, we have two classy guys...

and Jeter can be classy, when it’s good for his image.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Name 1 player who would refuse the Yanks if the Sox didn't resign them...

All he is saying is “if they don’t want to make a deal here, I’ll go play for whoever will”, which is true for absolutely every player in the Majors.

If you don’t accept that, you’re fooling yourself.

Granted, it’s the timing for the statement is a bit confusing…

by tvon on Jun 19, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

I think Wake said he’d retire if the Sox didn’t pick up his year-to-year $4 million contract.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Millar

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnny Damon

Opps! my bad…

Well I think he did say during his walk year he wouldn’t sign with the Yankees! I guess the Ant overlords told him to sign with the Yankees or work in their sugar mines.

by superferret on Jun 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

the difference though, is even if guys would sign with the yanks if the sox didnt resign them, they shouldnt be talking about that (or any other team, or contract situation) during the season!

forget derek jeter, look at how our own jason bay is handling it when we’re lowballing him to see if we can get matt holliday instead

by j-ace on Jun 19, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that's what's going on, but sure.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit, ya stole ma joke.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame Paps

If a team like the MFY are willing to give him a large sum more than we are willing to offer it only make sense for him to go where the money is.

People will talk about loyalty to the team, how he is a sell out, and only cares about money. But what about the organizations part in this, it’s loyalty to it’s players? A player who was home grown and helped win us a World Series. If the organization isn’t willing to pony up when the player is no longer under team control, why should a player settle for less?

Also, people see to miss the part in the interview where he says, “Because nowadays that is very, very rare and hopefully we can because there’s no question I would love to stay in a Boston Red Sox uniform”

He wants to stay a Red Sox, but it’s unfair to him to expect him to stay a Red Sox at the expensive of millions of dollars.

In regards to his comments being said during the season. I personally like players like Paps who are honest, and willing to answer questions when asked.

Regarding Pap’s making the comments in the first place during the season. I personally prefer a player who is honest and answers questions asked to him by reporters. I find it very disingenuous when players dodge questions with cliché answer like,

"I’ll make that decision at the end of the year. Right now I’m just focusing on this season. I got to go out there an play one game at a time, one save at a time."

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A player isn't supposed to be loyal to the team.

He’s supposed to be loyal to the fans, as is the team.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, we're supposed to stay loyal to the players and team as well.

[glares at NG and anyone else who would boo a player or abandon a team when they’re struggling]

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the appropriate time...

…but I’d rather hear this than have him pull a Johnny D-bag; swearing he’ll never wear pinstripes, and then jumping ship the second we refused to pay tip-top dollar for his noodle-arm.

Also, it must be really easy to be a sports journalist in New York or Boston. You want a voraciously read story? Just follow this simple format:

Something-something Yankees something Red Sox something-something-something twenty-six rings something Bronx douchebags something competing for the best record in the American League something-something $ 200 million annual payroll something-something steroids something “always was my dream to play for the Yankees” something Rivera losing his stuff something something “just sign all their players,” mumbled a dejected Cashman something-something rivalry something no farm system something-something you mean there’s baseball in Anaheim? something to with peanut butter something. A-Rod.

And then quote Hank Steinbrenner saying something stupid.

Hell, I’d do it for the press pass…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The timing is the problem, not the comment

and for the record I do not think the Red Sox should resign Paps if he is asking $15 million a year. The Sox are stacked with bullpen arms, it makes little sense to resign him for that much if Bard works out.

I also believe Theo should trade him during the off season to get something in return, thats if they do not plan on paying him.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are stacked with pen arms NOW.

But what about two years from now? Okajima might decline, Saito is probably gone, Masterson might be back in the rotation. That leaves us with Bard, Delcarmen and RamRam, none of whom are guarantees to be good (although RamRam is close).

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 19, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the Angels

they made this decision and honestly I think they are better off for it. K-Rod was too expensive and even with their best young arm dying, tons of injuries and Fuentes as a closer, they are only 2 out.

The Red Sox would be in a much better position, assuming Okie resigns, with Bard, MDC, RamRam, Masterson, Bowden, Tazawa and FA arms available to withstand Paps leaving.

What could the Sox get with 15 million v. just Paps? I think its definately worth exploring.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to say what's going to happen

What’s on the market at the time, who is available to us in the pen, ect.

I agree with you though, if we our in a good position it isn’t the end of the world letting Paps walk.

Bay imo is the most important guy to sign, and with Pap’s walking if we can sign Bay, it’s the right move.

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Also, RP isn’t hard to come by.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paps isn't walking until 2012

When he’s a FA. I agree about re-signing Bay. But a Bay signing doesn’t mean the Sox have to trade Paps.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 19, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on!

The Angels staff is racked with injuries, they have a couple rough diamonds like Matt Palmer, but their bullpens is in shambles. They overpaid for Hunter, and I bet because of that they are probably have cash restraints in the same level as the Indians. The Angels also has one of the best managers in MLB.

The Angels are well run club, they have a smart owner, who had a minor league club for years before buying the Angels. However, when the club doesn’t own their own broadcast rights, it puts a huge pinch on revenue.. Which is why Sox (NESN), the Yankees (YES) Mets (SNY) can always in game during the off season for free agent signings.

by superferret on Jun 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are 2 games out of first, and Fuentes has 18 saves

How is letting K-Rod walk bc he cost too much hurting the Angels? Also, they lost Escobar, Shields, and that kid who was killed in the DUI and still are in 2nd place.

My point is that their bullpen problems has nothing to do with K-Rod and they saved $12 million.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kid = Adenhart, for the sake of his memory.

Their entire staff is in shambles because of how many guys are injured. They are rivaling the Blue Jays for most pitchers lost to injury, IIRC.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The journalists picked up the PB craze?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...

…everybody’s doing it. And by “it,” I mean Leigh Teixiera.

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, in that case...

[runs off to check STD facts]

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok,Ok,im a NY fan, BUT fan of the game much more.You guys need o forget this kid and sighn Bay.He by far will become the best trade Boston will make in there history, again im NY fan,like your team,SIGHN BAY!! he will take ya all the way, have fun

by Edward Keith H on Jun 19, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Closers are replaceable. Bay is the best bat on the market. I would much rather see Paps (and his declining dominance) in pinstripes than Bay.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jun 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Bay works perfectly in Fenway, he is a great match for Boston.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the compliments.

Much better person that most of the MFY fans that come on here [LouieTheLip and FreeBradshaw dragged y’all down]. Totally agree with everything you said.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with saying "it's just business" arguement

A lot of people defend comments like Paps saying “it’s his job, if you were offered a higher salary at your job wouldn’t you take it?”, fine, okay, but if we are making that comparison you have to fully make the comparison, and here’s the difference, if I was in the middle of a huge project at work, and wasn’t due for a raise for at least another 1.5 years, and said not just privately to a co-worker, but publically, knowing that everyone in the company would hear about it that “If I don’t get the raise I feel I deserve in a year and a half, I’m finding a new job” that would be classless, unprofessional, and I would definitely get disciplined. There’s nothing wrong with having that opinion, or even expressing that opinion privately to close co-workers and friends, but it’s selfish to announce it in a public interview because it’s basically saying “I don’t care about the success of the projects we’re laboring on right now, all I care about is me and whether I get paid down the road”. Like others have said, it’s the timing that is bothersome.

The other annoying part is that when there was discussion of whether to make him a starter or leave him the closer, and they decided to leave him a closer he said “In my heart that’s what I wanted. I want to be for the Red Sox what Mo is for the Yankees. I want to be the red sox closer for years to come and retire a sox” or something like that….and then he saw how much closers were making on the FA market and suddenly all loyalty seems to have gone out the window

by Realistic on Jun 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So the issue you have is not that he feels this way, its that he said publicly that he feels this way? That makes sense. I guess this really didn’t phase me because I have assumed that this is how Paps would approach his free agency.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you make a good analogy....but

In your analogy your the one who is instigating the complaints about not being paid enough.

In Pap’s case he was asked a direct question and answered honestly. If he was calling press conferences himself to complain that’s a different story. But he isn’t he was asked a question and answered honestly. I don’t it’s right to instill fear of discipline in your players or workers for being honest.

The most important question is………………do you think his work on the field will suffer for saying that? Are the Red Soxs going to loose games because Paps answered questions in an interview….is the project going to suffer?

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loyalty brings $$$,kids just dont want to waite

by Edward Keith H on Jun 19, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if I agree....

Tim Wakefield…..been with the team 15 years stands to make 4,000,000$ this year.

While, Brad Penny stands to make 5,000,000$ and John Smoltz 5,500,000$

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

Wake will get offered the $4million again next year while Penny will not. So I get your point but, Wake’s loyalty to the Red Sox works out for both sides.

by SoxAcumen on Jun 19, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True....but

If Penny does well for the rest of the year, by going to another team he can stand to make even more.

While I don’t see the Red Soxs bumping Wake up to say $5 million just for being such a loyal guy.

But I do agree about it has it’s advantages for both parties. I don’t think Wake has the ability to make great money on the open market. More or less my point was players don’t get rewarded for simply staying on the same team. It’s a business and players a commodities, players stand to make or lose what the market at the time demands. However if a player isn’t willing to put himself on that market he is at the mercy of the organization for which he plays.

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure how they could, without dropping his option.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

maybe im just a bit to old , but i bet Wakefield is very Happy.$$$ is not everything.

by Edward Keith H on Jun 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I too agree that Wakefield is happy, and $$ isn't everything.

I am simply saying, I don’t think baseball organization give players good money out of the goodness of their hearts.

I think if they have a guy that they know for a 100% fact wants to stay with them, and simply doesn’t want to go anywhere else. They will pay him way less than what market value demands.

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep.i agree with that

by Edward Keith H on Jun 19, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, as i said before im a NY fan,so i better get going before i get hurt,lol.My main point was to give the kid a decient contract BUT put your $$$on BAY!!!!!.sighn him 4-6 years and you will get a few more WS.Tc all,see ya in the play offs

by Edward Keith H on Jun 19, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let’s root the Yankees against him.

by GreenGrizz on Jun 19, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What?

How exactly do you “root” a team against a player?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Player loyalty to teams is a relic of the past

Baseball is a business. Sentimentality in the baseball biz is expensive, because it means teams overpay fo keep talent when comparable talent is available elsehwere more cheaply. The Red Sox are one of the most ruthlessly unsentimental teams in the biz. If they weren’t, Derek Lowe, Johnny Damon, even a fan fave like Kevin Millar, and would probably still be around.

As ticked off as we may be at players like Johnny Damon, we need to remember that they are behaving like businessmen, just as the Red Sox owners are. They’re trying to get the best deal possible. Papelbon wants huge bucks, and can probably command more than the Red Sox mgt thinks he’s worth. If that’s true, he’s gone.

If NY gives him the best offer, why wouldn’t he go there? The only reason might be if he wants to win championships and will give up some $ to optimize his chances. if so the disarray and thin minor league talent of the NYY organization should give him pause. He’s the best RP in Red Sox history, and I hope we can keep him.

by Sophist on Jun 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was there ever loyalty in baseball?

here’s where some HOF’ers finished their careers:

Joe Morgan: Oakland
Dave Winfield: Cleveland
Harmon Killebrew: Kansas City
Eddie Murray: Dodgers
Billy Williams: Oakland
Eddie Mathews: Detroit
Steve Carlton: Minnesota
Tom Seaver: Boston
Gaylord Perry: Kansas City
Goose Gossage: Seattle
Dave Parker: Toronto
Dan Quisenberry: San Francisco
Mike Piazza: Oakland
Fred Lynn: San Diego
Dale Murphy: Colorado

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moral of the Story

Oakland……where stars go to die

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very sad.

Of course, now it’s only young dudes that get to play for Oakland. And Giambi.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could edit posts.....

I think the general sentiment and problem people have with Paps isn’t that he is willing to leave, it’s his willingness to talk about his being willing to leave.

by ruktuim on Jun 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is only one of three the Sox should have kept...

Lowe… Yeah he had a major drinking problem, he was surly, but as much as Schilling’s Game 6 2004 ALCS performance is folklore. Lowe’s Game 7 performance was even better on three days rest. Besides not signing him mean finding more and more starting pitching for the 2005 season.

I always felt the Curse that was on the Sox wasn’t from the Bambino, it was the curse of bad management, or myopic managment. I feel that it wasn’t just luck that Theo et al made some wise long term moves by not signing Petey etc. The big break was Carl Pavano’s mother, who pressured her son to sign with the MFY. If Pavano signed with the Sox, we may not be talking about current GM Theo Epstein, but ex GM Theo Epstein.

by superferret on Jun 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, in hindsight its clear that we should have kept DLowe, but after the season he had, he was the last one that we were considering keeping. Also, wasn’t he banging Tek’s wife or something like that?

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.. (ie booty call with Tek's wife)

There were always rumors that Orlando Cabrera was banging a certain Sox outfielder’s wife who’s last name was Ramirez, and one reason the Sox weren’t interested in signing him, or something about Cabrera’s off field antics cool him to the Sox Front office. I think the rumor was from sixth hand sources.

Lowe definitely had some issue that came about in his first year with the Dodgers, banging a Fox West reporter, drinking, divorce, didn’t want to pitch at gameday etc.

I always thought the MFY should had tried for Lowe than Sabathia. I know the Mets are still having nightmares for not signing Lowe this season. I thought maybe the Sox should had sign him because he worked with Tek for years going back to their Seattle days.

by superferret on Jun 19, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, Lowe was horrible in 04, up until the Playoffs.

The FO didn’t know if that was a fluke or if he was really as bad as he had been.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the way the Paps situation is playing out.

He is under our control for two more seasons after this one. We should keep Paps for next year, and see where we are with Bard, RamRam and MDC (or whomever else). The trade market is great for an established, elite closer, so see what you can get for Paps before the 2011 season and trade him for the right price (as long as we are confident in one of those three guys.)

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You evil genius, you.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First, everyone take a deep breath....

Second, What Papelbon is stating isn’t surprising…

Baseball is a very dirty business. What I mean by dirty is much of machinations that happened in the GM’s office, MLB front office in New York and agents like Mr. Boras.

  Papelbon is looking out for his best interest. I can understand that. However he has to understand what it means to go from the eminent closer for the Sox to MFY. Much like how Damon is treated by the Sox faithful when he turned from Jesus to Judas.

 Papelbon is one of the if not the top closer in MLB. He can get one of the top contracts even though he isn’t a starting pitcher, (even I though I did love his games when he started in 2005)

  The Sox front office, has always been very good in not giving long term contracts, even though it meant losing a Sox player. However in the long run, they had made the right decision, with Petey the prime example.

 I guess I don’t mind Papelbon going elsewhere, especially for the money, If he had to go, I hope it would be a NL team. However, I would have a tough time in being objective if he went to the Yankees.

I would tell MFY this about Papelbon if they are interested. He is actually a pretty fragile pitcher, he needs rest, and you need a good physical therapist to handle him..

  For Paps, You don’t want to go to the MFYs. Mainly I feel any closer that follows the great Mariano is going to fail. Every pitch by the future closer is going to be analysed with "Would Mariano throw that? or “his cutter isn’t as good as Mariano’s cutter”, I feel it an awful environment for the future MFY closer…

I think if Papelbon would had been okay as long as he didn’t mention the MFY in the interview, that is the red flag to Sox fans.

by superferret on Jun 19, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing new here.

Papelbon was always leaving when he hit FA. He wants max money for a bullpen job, and there’s no way Theo is gonna give a reliever said max money. That’s why we’ve got Daniel Bard being groomed for the role. We saw this coming, we’ve been prepared for this, and by God if Papelbon wants to go to the Yankees, than he can go replace Mo.

Will I actively dislike him for it? Yeah, probably. You just don’t do that. It’s in the unwritten rules of any Red Sox contract of significant length, significance, etc. But at least he had the balls to say this while he’s still wearing the uniform, unlike Damon who decided to cash in on as much adoration as possible before jumping ship.

On the bright side of things, Paps has DEFINITELY lost something between this year and last, and who knows, maybe we’re getting his best years.

Hopefully we can get good value for him mid-season before his first FA year and direct him towards a good, wealthy NL team that will give him what he wants—this is all assuming Bard or even MDC appears to be ready.

by USG on Jun 19, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really bothered by what Papelbon said

but I think his timing is wrong. He is under contract for a few more years, he needs to zip it until the right time. & that time isn’t during the season.

I am the biggest Manny fan but he too was under contract, you have to ( or should) respect the sanctity of the contract you signed —don’t try to roundabout or bully the people you negotiated with initially. Paps just bugs me, I have never been amused by his manner or antics. He needs to buckle down. I also think the comparisons to Rivera are undeserved. Sox fans have seen Rivera at his worst at times but Paps is no Rivera.

& no issue with the Bowden stuff; but wasn’t Buchholz a contributing factor in his position? Wasn’t there concern that he wasn’t focused? From the snippett I read it seems like he realized this & wants to prove himself. I get that, who wouldn’t?

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 19, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to the globe's Ben Collins
Jonathan Papelbon grouped reporters together to strongly strike down a report that he would be willing to sign with the New York Yankees.

“I don’t want to go (expletive) play for the Yankees,” he said. “I’ve been on a team for the past five years that’s been in first place more than any other (expletive) team otherwise. Why would I want to leave?”
Papelbon said he was “nowhere even close” to suggesting he would sign with the Yankees.

“Sometimes in these quotes they only see what they want to see,” he said.

“(The Red Sox) don’t owe me nothing,” he said. “This team doesn’t need me. I need the Red Sox more than the Red Sox need me.”
He said that where he signs when his contract expires in 2011 only has to do with how happy he is.

“For me, I want to go to a place where I’m happy,” he said. “For me, the only thing that’s important is that, A – it’s like a family and B – I have manager and a GM that’s going to protect me, and I know that here.”

So let’s take a deep breath evreybody and do not make a mountain out of a mole hill! (I’ll remember that one DD, Thx for improving my English!) :)

The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!

by radiohix on Jun 19, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s a lot better than saying “I definitely wouldn’t play for the Yankees.” He’s just being realistic and honest and I respect Paps all the more for that.

"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said...'I'm too drunk to taste this chicken.' "
-Ricky Bobby

by nepats108 on Jun 19, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with Pap on this one.

He answered a question (from what I know). If he says enough crap like… I wanna be in a Red Sox uni for life… the FO will start thinking hometown discount. He may just want fair market value when he gets his free agency… which I can’t blame him. (how far away is that again?)

I don’t think its in anyones best interest to spend much time disseminating the words of Jonathan Papelbon.

by GJ on Jun 19, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why the fuck are people bringing up what Buch said?

Buchholz is very right to be frustrated when he’s dominating AAA and we have a dumbass like Dice-K starting. I don’t have much of a problem with what Paps said, I just don’t think he should be talking about it in the first place. He’s not a FA, so don’t pull a Carlos Boozer.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Jun 19, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's some rule that says a player can leave a minor league contract if he has a major league contract offer, IIRC.

We’re scared that’s what he’s planning to do, I guess. And it fit in with the theme of “If I don’t get what I want, then I’m leaving.”

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure which rule you are referring to...

There is the Rule V draft, but we can protect guys from that by keeping them on the 40 man roster. There really is no danger of losing Buchholz for a few years, and by then we will know whether to sign him or not.

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by BTLove on Jun 20, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda what I meant.

I thought I heard that if a player isn’t signed to a major league contract (on the 40 man roster, I guess), then they’re fair game for other major league clubs to pick up. Doesn’t make sense now that I think about it, because then anyone could go after guys like FedEx or Mailman.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Wiki explanation. Basically guys are eligible for the Rule V draft at the beginning of the season if they are not on the 40 man roster (and have been in the system for more then 3 years). Buch is currently on the 40 man roster, so we do not have to worry about that.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jun 21, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

Not sure where or if I saw something about that rule, or maybe I misunderstood it.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free Speech - Everywhere but in SOX NATION?

Some fans are so rabid they can’t think straight. Read what they both said. The game is big business and they are both positioning themselves to maximize their earnings in a very narrow window. While the Sox position the organization to maximize their earnings in the same window. They both want success and money in their careers – since when is that anathema? I think that some of you would turn on your mother if she said something you did not like. Not to mention the fact that Paps is not exactly known for his discreet speech…

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