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GameThread: Marlins @ Red Sox - June 18

Miami Marlins at Boston Red Sox, Jun 18, 2009 7:10 PM EDT


Sweep time? Let's hope the Sox can finish it off tonight.


Current Series

Red Sox lead the series 2-0

Tue 06/16 WP: Tim Wakefield ( - )
LP: Chris Volstad ( - )
8 - 2 win
Wed 06/17 WP: Brad Penny ( - )
LP: Andrew Miller ( - )
6 - 1 win

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the game’s in SD only for Marlins’ broadcast. Greaaaaat.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Although now they're talking about who gets the captain's C after Tek leaves.

They think Youk should.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pedroia.

Youk’s mentality (how he handles himself) is to time consuming as it is. His “I’m fucking pissed off because I just groundout and now my stats are .338, 23 HR, and 92 RBIs” is not team leadership quality. Don’t get me wrong, I love Youk, but he’s no captain.

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by sox-inda-south on Jun 18, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, because he's mad that he didn't do anything to help out the cause, he's a bad choice?

I’d like to see both as Capitans.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Tek goes the C goes

In my opinion it’s too close to call.

You don’t want to slit other guys, by giving it to one player instead of the other.

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think Tek was only like the fourth captain in team history, so I don’t see them rushing to find another one.

"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said...'I'm too drunk to taste this chicken.' "
-Ricky Bobby

by nepats108 on Jun 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Standard def.

Cheapsies in the FSN Florida group – because it’s on the secondary channel (Sun Sports), it’s not in HD. Same thing happens with Rays game, most of the time, IIRC.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice sig.

And I’m not getting it on FSN, or Sun Sports.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not?

Not in Marlins market, maybe?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in Florida.

The panhandle. They’re showing “Classic College Football”. WTF?

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

You’d be out of market, I’m guessing. Oddly, I’m in both markets, yet within a spur-of-the-moment’s drive to the Trop. : /

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya this standard def is killing me.

Stupid Sun sports!

I hate the fact I pay to have NESN….and they make me watch the game on Sun.

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congratulations Mr Ramirez

You’re the 100th Batter to be K’d by Lester this season!

The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!

by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Hall of Famer Joba Chamberlain just walked in a run

2-0, Nats.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Quick! Look closer maybe he has Dice-K's Red glove!

Where is Dice-K?…..Do we really know???

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by sox-inda-south on Jun 18, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a crime that Ripken didn't get 100%

Wasn’t it one vote? What an ass, whoever didn’t vote for him.

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by sox-inda-south on Jun 18, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henderson missed it by a couple.

One guy forgot about him – hint, hint, you’re too old to be voting, bud.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was probably Ripken's back-up. Kidding, I know how inaccurate that is.

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB TV is a tease

I thought they were going to show the MFY game; guess they are just killing time until Detroit & St Louis

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty messed up

but im prepared to see him go when its time

Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

by DougieWentDeep on Jun 18, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evening All!

Go Sox!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

'Evening.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hiya

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good evening.

Youk greets you as well.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOOUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKK

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

DIDDDD WHATTTT???

Gameday won’t load.

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, got it.

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need the facebook icons

this gets a thumbs up

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm...

rec’d?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I rec'd it

but want to SEE a thumbs up

“you like this”—just amuses me

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

haaaaaaaaa!

perfect, thanks

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Facebook needs a dislike.

For all my Yankee facebook “friends.”

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I called it!!!

I F******ng called it: FLA fear the beard!

The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!

by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Where did you call it?

I want proof!

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, freaking caveman batter.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

x2

Crap, Lester, WTF?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

He just isn’t sharp.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marlins' broadcast jinxed him.

They were talking about how his past 3 games maybe the best 3 game stretch ever for a pitcher.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was Uggla

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody hear?

Mell Hall getting 45 years. Former Yankee. For raping a 12-year old….?

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah read that article a little while ago

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ironic

This is immediately after Stallworth gets a month for killing a guy.

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not follow either trial/story

and am in no way defending either but need to know the facts and am certain Hall & his legal team will appeal and try for a reduced sentence. If guilty, 45 years isn’t enough, imo.

Will google the Stallworth story now

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting that manslaughter is worse than rape?

Esp. when it was a girl he was coaching? She’s supposed to be able to trust him – they always say that if someone’s abusing you, go to a parent, teacher, coach, or another trusted adult, providing they aren’t the abuser.

I’m not saying Stallworth is a much better person – he still was drinking and driving, and he should have gotten a much longer sentence (which he would have if he wasn’t able to pay off the vic’s family), but at least his was semi-accidental. Hall also molested another girl, so he’s got a record.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

read the opening paragraph of the Stallworth matter

Apparently, the victim’s family wanted to “put it behind them” and Stallworth reached a financial settlement was all I needed to read. I’d like to believe I could be that understanding and forgiving.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he's been banned from driving forever.

Drinking, a little harder to pull off, at least until they come up with an interlock system for a house.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

That’s a bit harsh – he’s probably a decent driver when sober. Maybe suspend his license for a while, but forever?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is intent.

Drinking and driving is a really stupid thing to do. If you drink, drive, and kill someone I think you should get way more than a month. However, he didn’t intend to kill someone. It a horrible mistake, it isn’t a violent act of abuse.

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the details

The prosecutors were worried about being able to get a conviction. Apparently the guy Stallworth hit ran into the street just before he got hit, so there wasn’t much Stallworth could do to avoid the accident, no matter what he did.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have some sort of video evidence?

Or is this from Stallworth’s testimony? If the latter, could his delayed reaction from the alcohol have affected his sense of time?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

I’m just reporting what I heard on NFL Live the other night.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm... I might have to look into it.

I’m intruiged.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

lone1c is right

Apparently the guy ran into the street nowhere near a crosswalk. Stallworth didn’t have to time to react before he hit him, sober or not. The case was determined by some Florida law that says if you get into a accident drunk, but the drunkenness wasn’t a factor in the accident, then you will get off with a reduced sentence.

by Gnick on Jun 18, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's f'd up.

The guy doesn’t cross at a crosswalk, he gets punished by karma with a face full of car. Stallworth endangers himself and everyone else on the road, yet all that happens to him is a few weeks of prison (most likely a cushy cell too) and he loses money that he wouldn’t have had if he wasn’t so good at a kid’s game. Life really isn’t fair.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you want to be punished if someone randomly ran out in front of your car and you hit and killed them?

Now, I’m not saying that his drunkenness didn’t endanger people, but the Florida legal system has determined that it did not cause the accident, so I don’t know if it would be fair to punish him on that if it didn’t have anything to do with the accident.

by Gnick on Jun 18, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd probably appreciate some sort of punishment to make me feel better.

I’m not sure I’d be able to deal with having killed someone.

I’m probably frustrated about him getting such a short sentence for the sole reason that he could afford to pay the vic’s family.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That payment part does seem a little bit unfair, the rich shouldn’t get any leg up with the legal system.

by Gnick on Jun 18, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think $$ and the victim's kin's willingness to accept money plays a huge part

not being cynical about the system but see Jayson Williams’ case.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But part of punishment is to prevent him from doing it again.

Huge jump, but it’d be like a serial killer being forgiven by all of his victim’s families – they still need to be put away to try to keep them from doing it again, either by separation from society or by deterrence.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

cant make blanket comparisons

Sadly the punishment doesn’t always fit but it works both ways

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, how forgiving could they really be if they asked for money?

I can’t ever see myself putting a price on a loved one’s life, and esp. not haggling over it in a settlement.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, having just looked up the Williams case...

I’m pretty sure I’d want to punish a guy who thinks showing off a shotgun and playing with it in front of a bunch of people is okay. Either prison time or take away the guns.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shit

Another jack.

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

As soon as Massarotti write something describing how good this team is, they fucked it up!

He’s the ultimate momentum sucker! Plus he’s a bad writer!

The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!

by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

NG hacked Hix's account?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like it.

Dude, it’s the second inning.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate most journalists in general.

For a variety of reasons.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And in other news

Guess who just got himself out in the MFY game trying to stretch a single into a double?

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Swisher is a doofus

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be nice, MassGal.

Don’t give doofuses such a bad reputation.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It showed Lowell's being a home run, but it was a FO

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

It almost was

But unfortunately they’re not playing horseshoes at Fenway.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or with hand grenades? :)

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh.

I don’t think I want the Sox playing with hand grenades. Not even Lugo. (I’d worry he’d take someone more useful out with him.)

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Esp. with his tendency to throw things into crowds.

[shutters]

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I shuddered too. :)

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone feel we are wearing our pen down early in the season?

Ramon Ramirez: 32 IP

H. Okajima: 30 IP

J. Papelbon: 29 IP

M. Delcarmen: 28 IP

Takashi Saito: 23.1

D. Matsuzaka: 31 IP

(However, they are all about half of what they pitched the last couples of years 60ish IP)

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

You're already putting Dice-k in the pen? lol

The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!

by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I just found it interesting....

Ramon Ramirez, Oki, and Paps all almost have more IPs.

I meant to put a space, but it didn’t go in.

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assigning blame?

Or setting up comparisons?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do beleave short starts by Dice-K and Penny

Had an effect on it, however I do not blame nor am I angry at Dice for being hurt.

Also Dice-K’s DL stint causes him to only have 31 IP

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only Masterson was really affected by the short stops

The others only worked an extra inning or so as a result of each of the bad starts.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yu Darvish

So just out of curiosity I checked out some of the other Japanese pitchers. (Who were in the WBC)

To see if they are having slump years coming off the WBC. Yu Darvish makes me depressed:

Yu Darvish: (2009 Season)
ERA: 1.20, 11 GS, 8 – 2 (Four complete games), 19 BB, 83 K, 90 IP

Hisashi Iwakuma: (2009 Season)
ERA: 2.83, 11 GS, 6 – 4 (One complete game), 17 BB, 46 K, 73 IP

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wants to play for the Sox when he comes over though.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that

He also said he wants to win 200 games in Japan first.

The guy I really wish we could pick up is Aoki Norichika.

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once Smoltz comes back

Dice- K needs to go on the DL to recover from his “shoulder injury”

"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said...'I'm too drunk to taste this chicken.' "
-Ricky Bobby

by nepats108 on Jun 18, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, they're right about on schedule.

This puts them in the range for about 75 IP for the season, which is a typical workload for a playoff-caliber bullpen reliever.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

More bad luck for Lester

Two singles through the hole in the left infield.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Lowell has no range

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone see Jayson Stark's 'Most likely to get traded' nominees?

If not, here’s the link. Here’s what I found interesting:

There might be 18 players on this team who are available. And names like Adam Dunn, Josh Willingham and Joe Beimel are going to be just as prominent in the Rumor Central annals over the next six weeks as Nick Johnson. But Johnson makes the most sense. He’s about to be a free agent. He doesn’t fit in D.C. long term. He’s still an on-base machine (.415 OBP, eighth in the NL). He hits left-handers (.333 average, .536 slugging percentage). And he’s played in 20 postseason games, back in his Yankees incarnation.

“They could move Dunn,” said an executive of one team. “But the price would be way too astronomical to actually make a deal. And if they move Nick Johnson, they accomplish what they need to accomplish. They’re better off putting Dunn at first base so they can play Willingham or other people in the outfield. And they’re more likely to move Johnson than Willingham, because at least Willingham they can control.”

It kind of backs up what a few of us have been arguing here: Dunn isn’t going anywhere.

At the same time Penny’s stock is rising, though, teams that have spoken to the Red Sox report they’ve slowed down their efforts to market him. At this point, they appear likely to wait at least a couple of weeks, so they can try to figure out the mystery of Daisuke Matsuzaka and assure themselves that John Smoltz is a guy they can count on.

The Red Sox also seem like they’re in no hurry to trade for a shortstop, either, even though they’ve clearly been shopping. They hope to get Jed Lowrie back by the first week of July. And even if they still feel a need to make a move, beware of all rumors linking them to players like J.J. Hardy, whom they’d have to commit to beyond this year.

According to an official of one club, they’re “not looking for a shortstop of the future.” Lowrie is still that guy. They’re looking only for someone to get them through the year. Period. So who does that leave? Jack Wilson if he comes cheap enough? Orlando Cabrera if all else fails? Both seem like long shots. Even Phillies prospect Jason Donald no longer fits, because he’s now out longer than Lowrie after tearing his meniscus.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

This game is kinda flat

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good, because I'm not following the game.

Instead I’m editing someone’s cover letter.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 18, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm reading the Yankee Years as I watch & post

 I am reading the chapters out of order (not that it matters) but this book sure isn’t one of the best books I’ve read.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Yankee Years?

How is it?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 18, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's OK

the writing is kind of juvenile. It somehow seems weak, like the choice of words don’t pack any punch.

Torre has some stories to tell though. His take on how the Sox “romanced” Schilling is neat and his obvious dislike for ARod is riotous.

Th best sports books I’ve ever read was Olney’s The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty. It isn’t so much about the glee of seeing the Yanks fall from grace but as a baseball fan, I just loved the behind scenes stories. It is incredibly well written.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where would you rate

Faithful? (Subject line if it’s too large)

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a bad Sox fan

I was given this book about two years ago and have not read it yet. I tried to read Bill Simmons’ book but he annoys me sooooooooooooooo.
 I will bring Faithful with me on my next plane trip.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I picked it up

And couldn’t put it down. Fantastic, in my opinion.

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by BoSox415 on Jun 18, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might have to pick it up myself.

Just picked up Fight Club (book, already seen the movie) while getting my required summer reading books – first chapter+ is better than the movie.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you read

Seth Mnookin’s Feeding the Monster? I really liked that one, both the writing and the content. It was well-researched and full of interesting information, probably because it was written by a real journalist, rather than a sports writer.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 18, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll check it out

I took the summer off from school so I could travel and one of the things I look forward to is getting on a plane or heading somewhere so I can read.

Someone here ( Tommy?) recommended The Nine ( about the supreme court) which is also on my summer reading list.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys should check out Child 44

Reminds me a lot of the Bourne books/movies, only set in the 1950s Soviet Union. Great book, and the sequel’s not too bad either.

by Gnick on Jun 18, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

MFY have 'em loaded, 2 out

Cap’n Fistpump pinch-hitting v. Hatchet Face …

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

your post is much better

haaaaaaa

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clutch groundout to end the inning

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Torre refers to him as "Captain Cool" in the book

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see

I usually just call him Tange (short for Cap’n Intangibles).

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Epstein is quoted as saying

Schilling’s “intangibles were a great fit” for the Sox. Guess Jete doesn’t have the market cornered on intangibles.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Julian Tavarez

in to face Jeter. Yanks have bases loaded, 2 outs in the 7th.

3-0 Nats

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

didnt we all see the dropped pop up coming?

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I was watching the MFY

:(

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Right when he pimp slapped his bat again, it seemed like karma was gonna allow it to drop, forcing him to run for first.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ortiz sliding

…the greatest thing ever

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad he stopped a foot before the bag.

Funny that he dusted off Hanley’s leg before getting up – “Please, Mr. Ramirez, could you replace Lugo? He doesn’t do the handshakes right.”

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn rain.

How rain-obsessed are we in SFLA? The Marlins’ crew is analyzing the tarp crew’s performance.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep.

Walk into bookstore at 2:45 with the sun shining, walk out at 3:05 in a torrential downpour, gray skies for miles all around.
Wonder if the tarp crew in Coral Gables got rusty with the drought?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Anyway, I’m out., night everyone.

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

good night

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Night.

Here’s hoping you miss some of the game.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

MassGal, you wanna continue the discussion about the Sox' lack of black players?

Since we have no other stuff to talk about at the moment…

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there more to say?

Last night, Cano made the last out in yet another Yankee game. Cano, like the Sox lack of Black players, is just one of my observations.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but you seem to think there is more to it than I believe there is.

Can’t believe I’m going to use CNN as a source, but this article explains some of the factors that lead to me believe we shouldn’t be concerned about the lack of black players on the Sox, but instead in baseball in general: http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/13/commentary/sportsbiz/index.htm

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

am aware of the this & the projects undertaken by Rollins, Morgan, Sabathia, etc to get more Black youth involved in baseball.

All I am saying is this: considering the Sox history, the history in & of New England – especially Boston, it looks bad and when I noticed it, I had an unsettling feeling. As mentioned before, if a homer like Peter Gammons speaks of he racial issues in Boston….I can’t see why you can’t just see what I see but maybe that is why these discussions come about so often. I am not saying Epstein is racist and I really resent how a simple and honest observation about race leads to jokes & KKK comments- rungs below my intent .

I’ve been asked 1M times how can I support the Sox…It is no secret that the running joke is the avg Sox fan is an obnoxious racist white guy..Ive heard it, you must have as well. Look, Ive been in the bleachers— back when I went to college in Boston & it wasn’t pretty at times, so I can see how the stereotype came about. I’ve managed to look past my own experiences at the park & the former & I guess current Garden because I know crowds aren’t static and cant blame all for the behavior of some.

I dont lay this on the players not coming to Boston. The environment is important and I don’t mean that in an Al Gore global warming kinda way. That is pretty much all I have to say —here anyway

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year

The Sox had two African-American players on the 25 man roster, Crisp and Delcarmen, that’s right in line with the 8% league average.

by Gnick on Jun 18, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

MDC's Dominican.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

MDC was born in Boston.

by Gnick on Jun 18, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but of Dominican descent.

So, if you mean that somewhere along the lines that his ancestors came from Africa, then yeah, sure. I’d prefer to just call him American, myself.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, now I see what you mean - that it's more of Boston's fault and less the team itself.

And I can give you a simple answer to why I didn’t realize why you were concerned about that: I don’t live in Boston, and I don’t ever really hear any stories about racist activities b/c those tend not to make national headlines unless they’re really shocking. My apologies.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No apology necessary

Heidi Watney is wearing some cool boots on the Ultimate Red Sox Show. Hopefully Eck & Orsillo will come back & talk hair again soon, the game wasn’t really interesting.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this your way of switching topics?

Also, how is Eck in any way knowledgeable about baldness?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you want to talk Race, huh?

How ’bout that Boston Marathon, eh?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 18, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon, E.Coli.

I’m not uncomfortable talking about it, and I’m not gonna say anything intentionally offensive. If I say anything bad without meaning to, and someone points it out, I’ll give a full apology, K?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

MFY lose, 3-0

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Shut out by the Nationals?

They need to start the firesale right now.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 18, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

sadly Cano doesn't make the last out

This is something I started noticing in the 2007 playoffs. One of these days I am going to compile a list, not sure what I can do with it.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have both, but not combined. :(

I can tell you he’s a little worse with two outs, by relative OPS+, and is a lot worse in the 9th inning. In extras, he’s better than normal.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rain, rain, go away

Eat my brains some other day…

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 18, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Exclamation point!

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jun 18, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too many options.

We’re not quite at 2004 Yankees Fail. Waterworld Fail, perhaps.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm missing the reference.

The second one, that is. :)

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waterworld

Cost about $200 million to make (back in 1995), and grossed less than $100 million. One of the biggest box office bombs of all time.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, the movie.

I thought it broke even with international sales and VHS/DVD sales.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It means: No October baseball

The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!

by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It also means

That the Yankee blogs are going to be lit up like a Christmas tree for the next few days.

by lone1c on Jun 18, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love those videos. :)

Also, that would require the MFY fans to find PA again.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

that kinda ticks me off that the posting is so weak over there

there was one poster —bxlgrl or something like that who always made the super lame “B is for bandwagon” comment. Funny.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's trying.

And she at least attempts to follow her team -got to give her props for that.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question.

In case the rest of the game can’t be played tonight, what will happen?

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by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The Sox will lose

They don’t play Florida again. This is one of the problems with interleague baseball.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can just play it during the WS.

See ya there, Mahlins?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

After 5th inning = Final

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putain de merde

Pardon my french.

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by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK what that means.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the closest thing in english would be

Fuck this shit!

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by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh.

Okay. Google says either “G-D-it” or “F off”.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Putain=Bitch
Merde=Shit
The whole thing together is: Fuck this shit

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by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

B*tch of $#!+?

This is why I stopped learning French.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK during the delay, can someone explain :

1) the Joba Rules
2) was Bard was compensation for Damon?
3) was Ellsbury compensation for Damon?

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

1) He is not allowed to drive drunk after going to a strip club
2) Bard was compensation for Damon
3) Ellsbury was drafted a year before Bard. He and Lowrie were compensation for Orlando Cabrera.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jun 18, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) chamberlain throwing under a very strict pitch count
2) Don’t know
3) No he was a compensation for Orlando cabrera

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by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops!

The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!

by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Thanks.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the "oops" for?

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

two answers for 1 question

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by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

since i'm nowhere near home

anybody tell me what the weather looks like – are they gonna resume – or are we gonna take a 2-1 (1 hit) loss ???

by pizdof on Jun 18, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its supposed to rain through Friday afternoon

not trying to be funny, the eastern MA forecast is nothing but rain . I would hope they would try to play if the rain just lightens up- not necessarily stops

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jun 18, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh goodie:

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

game should be getting called any minute now.

by spinz on Jun 18, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOES!!!

Someone tell Dougie to scare Tito into refusing defeat.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Final game of season

let’s hope the umps know this and will stay in a delay up to the curfew. (Q: since it is the last game of the season, is the curfew not in effect???)

by pizdof on Jun 18, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

what? am i missing somthing? the announcers were talking like this game would have to be resumed at a later date, but obviously if this game doesnt get resumed, the sox just lose.

by spinz on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

We can’t make up the game later b/c we never play the Mahlins again this season. So unless we made a side trip next time we go down to Tampa, we have no opportunity to play them for the rest of the game – ergo, they call it final, and we prolly end up losing the division by 1 game. :(

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

how our chances of winning this game look according to fangraph?

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by radiohix on Jun 18, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

does fan graph take rain forecasts into account? if so, then really really bad.

by spinz on Jun 18, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know.

I don’t know if they even update the chances once it gets called..

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

34%.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, I give up on Mother Nature.

Night.

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by bdalebs on Jun 18, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Night

Just when I got back! lol

by ruktuim on Jun 18, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Da.

Sox lose 2-1.

(Under the circumstances, it’s probably for the best. No point in taxing the bullpen for 3+ innings when Dice-K has to take the mound tomorrow.)

by lone1c on Jun 19, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Still wish we had managed more than 1 run through 5 innings.

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