Is Daisuke Matsuzaka OK?
Daisuke Matsuzaka had a great 2008 season - we can all agree on that. Most of us also agree that he was assisted by Lady Luck. His ERA was 1.13 below his FIP; the only pitcher with a larger difference was Armando Galarraga (-1.16 E-F). His BABIP was pretty low at .267, and he was among the league leaders in HR/9 at 0.64. He was also among the league leaders LOB% at 80.6%, but not for the same reasons as guys like Johan Santana or Jake Peavy. While the last two guys had LOB%'s of 82.6 and 82.2, respectively, they also had WHIP's of 1.15 and 1.18, respectively. Dice-K's WHIP has 1.32, meaning he allowed an extra base runner every 6 innings, roughly; he was allowing base runners at the same rate as Paul Byrd, Javier Vazquez, and Gil Meche - Braden Looper was even 0.01 better than Dice-K.
As you can see, he was over performing last year, and we could've anticipated some sort of regression to his true talent. Unfortunately, his true talent seems to have decided to return to Japan, or something to that effect. His numbers this season are nowhere close to his performance from last year that earned him 3rd place in the AL Cy Young voting. Let's take a look at his PitchFX graphs to see if we can find any sort of clues to what caused his FIP to jump to 5.40 this season.
The first thing I'd be interested in seeing his pitch usage. The data comes from FanGraphs:
Yeah, I know, broken axis and all that stuff. I'm pretty sure everyone can tell that I chopped off the first 40% because it all fastball (for abbreviation key, click the FanGraphs link). So, just imagine another big chunk of red below the graph, and you'll be cool; I wanted to show the detail at the top of the graph, so I sacrificed the obvious part at the bottom.
Okay, now to analyze my rainbow graph: Dice-K's throwing a lot more cut fastballs and two seam fastballs now, and a lot less curveballs and split fastballs. I'm pretty sure that PitchFX identified these pitches correctly, since a cutter and a two seam can move the same way, as can a curve and a splitter; the identification is supposed to based on spin axis, though, so I'm not completely certain.
[Not sure if this is related, but I remember hearing a story about how the two seam fastball was a new phenomenon to either Ichiro or Hideki Matsui (not sure which), because it wasn't thrown all that much, if at all, in Japan. Maybe Dice-K saw the American pitchers throwing it and decided to pick it up?]
Moving along, let's see if his stuff has changed, velocity wise.
- He's never has a blazing heater, but he's been in the low-to-mid 90's consistently for his entire American career (Link).
- Slider hasn't changed much either, maybe a slight drop-off (Link).
- Cutter's been a bit erratic, but no more so than it was in 07 (Link).
- His curve isn't dropping into the mid 70's as much as it had (Link).
- His change-up is actually slowed down a bit, but it's still in the low 80's, when he actually throws it (Link).
- His splitter's gone, but he never really threw it consistently to begin with (Link).
- His two seam isn't exactly his go-to, most likely because it's been almost the same speed as his four seam (Link).
So, if the problem doesn't appear to be with the velocity of all his pitches, maybe he's showing some kind of injury through a change in release point. From his last start, all of 4IP and 91 pitches (Brooks Baseball, since FanGraphs doesn't have it up yet):
Now, compare that release point to his best start from last year [by WPA: .397], July 7th against the Twinkies, when he pitched for 7.1IP and 108 pitches:
The grouping is about 6 inches lower, which could be a major difference. His arm isn't dropping as much - could that be causing less movement on his pitches? Let's check.
From his most recent start:
Now, again, compare that to his best start last season:
[Apparently the abbreviations changed. FA=FF, and the rest should match up.]
It appears his fastball has been tailing on him more, and his slider is dropping more. But, aside from that, he's about the same, movement wise. Is it a control problem? Again, to the graphs:
Most recent start:
And, again, compare it to that really good outing:
Remember, he threw a more pitches in the good outing, but not a lot more. The main thing that jumps out at me here is that Dice-K isn't throwing in a smaller area, which, when you consider that his stuff is moving slightly more, means that he appears to be trying to throw more in the zone. To me, the problem appears to be that, for all we complain about him nibbling and not attacking the zone, he was much better when he didn't try to keep the stuff in the zone. What do you think?
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Allow me to respond to your well thought out and in-depth post with annoying simplicity:
Yes
by USG on Jun 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You read the whole thing?
I was eating brunch while typing this, so I probably have typos through-out.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 14, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it safe to say a good chunk of his problems simply boil down to confidence issues?
by Justin_Bobo on Jun 15, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a psychologist.
I think it has more to do with him trying to attack the zone without the great stuff to do it properly. Also a lot of bad luck.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post!
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Jun 14, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
I think regardless of his health, if you look at his peripherals, they flat out blow. This is different from what we were all saying about Lester and Beckett early in the season. I am hoping for some sort of long DL stint, +some Buhholz and Smoltz.
by Buzzy on Jun 14, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I’m thinking that his statistical issues are caused by being more hittable this year.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 14, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
He is striking guys out (9.29 K/9) and walking guys less than he did last year (4.06 BB/9 compared to 5.05 in 2008). He is giving up an absurdly high BABIP of .443. However, that appears to be in line with his LD% of 29.2% (using the rough LD%+ .120 = expected BABIP rule of thumb). Basically he his getting hit much harder this year as shown by his higher LD% and absurdly high HR/FB of 16%. I think he’s been unlucky, but only a little bit. We probably should not expect any better than an ERA in line with his FIP (5.40) unless something drastically changes.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 15, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard of that "rule of thumb."
Sounds about right though. And the rest of what you said makes sense if my theory’s right – if he’s in the zone more, then he’s going to getting more K’s and less walks, and batters are getting better contact b/c the pitches are in easier places to hit from.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should see "The Boondock Saints"
Then you’ll learn about Rules of Thumb.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jun 15, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I reckon it should be the rule of wrist” or something like that.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 16, 2009 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good flick
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jun 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"And shepherds we shall be
For thee, my lord, for thee.
Power hath descended from thy hand
That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command.
We will flow a river forth from thee,
And brimming with souls shall it ever be.
In nomine Patri, et Fili, et Spiriti Sancti."
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jun 16, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Dice-K finished third in the Cy Young voting last year just means the voters are idiots
He was at best the third best pitcher in the Sox rotation last year, and there were one or two guys in the bullpen who were better too. In fact, when he’s healthy and performing well, he’s really just a solid #3 starter.
And when he pitches like he has this year, he’s Clay Buchholz in 2008. So maybe the thing to do is treat him the way the Sox treated Buch — send him to AAA for the rest of the year and replace him with someone who can get the job done this year in the hope that he’ll come back dominant next year.
by RSNexile on Jun 14, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two items
(1) The six Cy Young voters who gave Matsuzaka votes clearly didn’t look past his W-L record. But note that nobody picked him first; he only received second- and third-place votes.
(2) As a free agent without five years’ service time, I do not believe that Matsuzaka can be demoted to the minor leagues, even if he consents. I believe the only way to do it is via an extended DL stint.
by lone1c on Jun 14, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is actually in his original contract that he cannot be sent to the minors. Another start like that and I would expect the DL and some time in AAA.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 15, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be wrong...
…which I am often, but I believe in his contract Dice-K can only do rehab stints in AAA if he goes on the 60 Day DL. And on top of that, there is a clause in his contract (and I’m positive on this one) that he can only be placed on the DL if he agrees to it, and Dice-K would never agree to being placed on the 60 Day DL, no matter when the retroactive date was.
by Justin_Bobo on Jun 16, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only mentioned it to increase the contrast between this season and last.
Also, kinda a dig at the writers – I show how average he really was, then mention that the supposed experts couldn’t figure that out.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit
i have no idea what you are talking about
by revived0103 on Jun 14, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to help, and I'm sure there are several others on here that would love to assist me.
What specifically don’t you get? A lot of the stats can be figured out with a quick Google or a search on FanGraph’s front page. Any other stuff, you can ask us and we should be able to help you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
i should look up all those stats that i dont get, like FIP and BABIP
by revived0103 on Jun 15, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty simple.
BABIP= Batting average of balls in play. A high BABIP usually indicates a lucky hitter or an unlucky pitcher. Dice-K is sporting an absurdly high BABIP right now (around .300 is average-ish) of .443. However, BABIP has been shown to correlate well with LineDrive percent. Makes sense: if a hitter is hitting line drives, they are more likely to turn into hits than ground balls or flyballs. Just watching baseball this is very intuitive.
FIP: fielding independent pitching. An attempt to remove “luck” and a team’s fielding ability from the evaluation of a pitcher. Thus it is based only on the three true outcomes (the only things a pitcher can truly control). That is walks, K’s and HR’s. A player with a high ERA, but low FIP generally will improve (though they are not really “improving” as much as their talent is paying off and they are no longer getting unlucky with hits squeezing through the infield, etc).. This is what happened with Lester and Beckett.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 15, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIP is imperfect, though.
I mean, it’s not coincidence that some guys give up more ground balls than fly balls, and some guys give up line dives and long fly balls off walls, etc.
All I’m saying is take FIP with a grain of salt. Take all stats with a grain of salt, for that matter, but especially FIP in a way.
by USG on Jun 15, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but all of his "advanced stats suck. I prefer tRA to FIP (and yes, take with a grain of salt too), and his tRA is an awful 6.53. That makes him look even worse than his FIP. Basically, however, we don’t need fancy stats to see the issue. When Lester was having his problems, you could see how fluky it looked. Longoria hits a bomb off of him to dead cented in Fenway on a 95 MPH heater just above the ankles. What can you do about that? As BT says below, we can all see that Dice-K is throwing batting practice pitches right in the heart of the plate. That won’t do. There is something wrong with him. I don’t know if it is an injury or what, but he certainly didn’t do that with regularity in his previous 350+ innings of MLB work.
by Buzzy on Jun 15, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t look at tRA enough, mostly because I’m addicted to FanGraphs, but I like it. The difference between Dice-K’s FIP and tRA is that big jump in LD% and HR/FB. The question is whether those are indicative of an injury, loss of ability or maybe just a string of really bad luck. I am leaning toward the injury.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 15, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As another addict of FG (and BBRef), I also know very little of tRA.
What site keeps track of it? Cube?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
statcorner
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 15, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.statcorner.com/tRAabout.html
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 15, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you very much.
I’ll read that once I’m finished with the rest of the comments on here.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I think Dice-K isn’t a great pitcher, but he shouldn’t be as bad as he has been. His stuff is OK, not great. He has a low-90s fastball and an array of OK breaking stuff. Nothing he throws is special and, more often than not, his control sucks.
Over his Red Sox career, he has averaged just under 6 IP per start. Those numbers are buoyed up by his “rookie” year, where he averaged a little over 6.1 IP/GS (last year he averaged 5.2 IP/GS, and he is averaging a little over 4.1 IP/GS so far this year). In many ways, 2007 was his best year—even though his ERA was 1.50 higher than it was in 2008—because he went deeper in games, had his best walk rate and a better K-rate than last year. The 2008 version of Dice-K was the luckiest pitcher I’ve ever seen. It’s a safe bet that he’ll never have that kind of success again.
Basically, Dice-K is a league average pitcher who doesn’t go deep in games, making him a bit less valuable than Tim Wakefield (a league average pitcher who has averaged over 6.1 IP/GS over his career). Anyone who thinks of Matsuzaka as an elite pitcher is kidding themselves. Sure, Dice-K’s performance has been hurt by the WBC. But, at his best, he’s a very good back-of-the-rotation starter.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 14, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dice's value was supposed to be a combination of three things, from what I could tell when we signed him.
- He was supposed to have a repertoire almost twice the size of any decent American pitcher, with good control, velocity, and movement on all of the pitches.
- He was also supposed to have the mythical gyroball – I’m not gonna say any more b/c that’s a huge debate.
- He threw 250 pitches in a high school game, and threw a ton everyday. His stamina was supposed to be through the roof, and I think people were expecting him to be throwing complete games every time out, like Doc or something. Unfortunately, Tito and Theo obviously don’t think it’s worth the risk to allow Dice to throw like he did in Japan.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't throw like he did in Japan for a few reasons:
The MLB hitters are too good. Also, his body can’t take it. He tired down the stretch in 2007 and was worked too hard in the WBC (with obvious results this year).
The fact is he isn’t as advertised. Few pitchers are. Due to overwork in Japan, he is an “old” 29.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, now he can't.
Maybe if we kept up his conditioning…
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful
The Japanese league is different. The players are worse. The ball is different, as is the strike zone. I’m sure J-Lo could kick ass against division 2 college teams.
In other words, it has nothing to do with Dice-K’s conditioning.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 15, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still a same arm motion.
Albeit with a lighter ball, but still, it should be roughly the same wear and tear on his arm.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay for J-Lo
Nay for Javier Lopez.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Jun 15, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it odd that Drugs chose to use the wording he did while refering to Lopez as J-Lo?
Specifically what he is supposed to be kicking? o_O
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 16, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
Right now, I’d consider giving him another DL stint. He looked awful thus far in the year, and we have far too many options.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dice-K was not great last year
He was unbelievably lucky, with tremendous run support giving him an extremely inflated W-L record. The simple facts were (1) he usually couldn’t pitch further than five innings, taxing the bullpen way too many times; (2) despite the W-L record, wasn’t even put on the All-Star team. The rest of the league knew what Sox fans knew – he wasn’t anywhere as good as his record.
In Japan, giving up a home run – someone clobbering the ball – is the worst “losing face” you can have as a pitcher. Thus, he nibbles all the time here in the MLB, afraid he’ll give up long balls otherwise. I don’t think he has the confidence he can blow it my Major League hitters. Hence, all the walks because he tries to be too fine all the time.
Well, all those walks and pitches are catching with him. Add to that throwing too much or too hard (apparently) in the World Classic in March, and he comes up lame for the Red Sox in April. Whoever is responsible for Dice-K throwing that much in the Classic ought to be shot. Now, at this point, he’s next to worthless…..but I’m not giving up on him. There is no doubt he still has talent, but how much in relation to MLB hitters, is still in doubl, or in doubt in Dice-K’s psyche. Sometimes I think he is his own worst enemy.
Anyway, here’s hoping he figures it all out.
by ccthemovieman on Jun 15, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you are overstating his “worthlessness” a little bit. He pitched two full seasons in which he was a very good starter in the league. He only makes $8M per year. That is not much for a starting pitcher. I think he’s injured. He has lost a little off his fastball and is throwing meatballs that are getting hit very, very hard.
Also, Aren’t HR’s the worst possible outcome here as well in Japan? No pitcher can do any worse than a HR, in any country.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 15, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh. American pitchers learn to get over it.
In Japan, it’s like they pulled an Ankiel and they can’t pitch anymore, IIRC.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was perfectly fine after his first WBC.
I think the difference this time around was that he reverted to the Japanese throwing programs while with his fellow countrymen, and his body was too adjusted to the American paranoid-pitch-count programs. We really should have let him continue his preferred program when we first signed him, with a clause in his contract that protects us if his arm broke down.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are you absolutely ruling out an injury as the cause??
If he is injured even somewhat, that could explain a lot.
by NG on Jun 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, just saying that it appears that he's trying too hard to attack the zone.
The change in arm slot alarms me, though I’m not sure if the 6" difference or if the fact that his arm is up now makes it less of a red flag.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comment about WHIP got me thinking
How tiny differences in a practical sense between players make up a huge difference in the quality of the players. For example: Dice-K’s WHIP as compared to Peavy’s meant he gave up an extra baserunner every 6 innings. So it basically meant that he gave up one more baserunner in the average game, which really doesn’t seem to be that much, especially when considering the the majority of baserunners given up by him were via singles or walks.
Another example here is batting average. The difference between a .260 hitter and a .290 seems to be very large, but really is only 3 extra hits per 100 ABs. So if the average player gets a little over 3 ABs a game, it would take them roughly 30 games to get to 100 ABs, meaning that the .290 only gets one more hit per ten games than the .260 hitter, which, once again, does not seem like a very big difference.
Just some food for thought here, take with it what you will.
by Gnick on Jun 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd think so, but break out your well-worn copy of The Book and check the win values (Table 11) of those seemingly harmless singles and walks.
Single = 0.042, non-intentional walk = 0.028. Both are as important, roughly, as a home run, when you look at the Runs/Win column of the same table.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Both are as important, roughly, as a home run"
One of the best things I ever read at FJM (and there were lots of those) is that a home run is a run no matter what happens next. A walk means a guy is at first.
I really hope I misread what you said, because I really can’t believe people are stating that shit as if it was true.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Jun 15, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A HR gets the runs in, but might not always be the most desirable result
I think, for instance, during a long rally (the kind where a team bats around the order and then some), or in a game in which the tying run is on deck. The HR brings in the runs, but also clears the bases, which gives the opposing pitcher a lot more wiggle room than if the bases are clogged up.
So I don’t think it’s a walk is as good as a HR, but I do think there are times when you’d rather have a base hit instead.
by lone1c on Jun 15, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No No No
There is never a better result than a HR in ANY AB. Perhaps in hindsight you might see that a long rally filled with singles that ran up the pitchers pitch count was better, but you don’t know that until after the fact. With a HR you know you are getting the runs on base home, but with a single you have no idea because the next batter might do anything. And the increased run probabilities with the extra baserunner depend on how many outs there are in the inning.
by Gnick on Jun 16, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're arguing local versus global optimization
A HR is obviously always the local optimum: in any single AB, you can’t do any better than driving in all the baserunners and the batter. But just because it’s the local optimum, doesn’t mean that it’s the global optimum (the one that helps the most in the long-term).
One example: bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, two outs, but your team is down five runs. Then it doesn’t matter if you hit a grand slam or a single or draw a walk—the only way to keep the game going is to get to the next batter. The grand slam makes it a one-run game, but also gives the opposing team a lot more wiggle room.
by lone1c on Jun 16, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
No way I could’ve put it any better.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 16, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a HR is always the optimum strategy. There are times when there are other strategies that are equally desirable (like in your example, where a team might be indifferent to a HR, walk or double). However, there are not any situation where a HR is not at least one of a few optimal strategies (either local or global).
This is context dependent, however, and the run value chart that bs is referring to is context independent.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you mean.
HR’s are worth something like 1.4 runs.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 16, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I misunderstood that section.
Specifically Table 11, which has win values, run values, and Runs/Win column.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the table:

Yeah, I just typed all that out. See how eager I am to learn?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 16, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only column in this chart that I am really familiar with is the “runs” column (and I can figure out N pretty easily). But what do the others refer to?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 17, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that would explain why people were having trouble understanding me.
Starting wins = Average win probability of game states directly preceding the event
Ending wins = " " following the event
The rest are calculations.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see.
Its just the average WPA of each event. I’m still not sure I understand the final column though. Why do (Runs produced from an event)/(average WPA of that event)? Is it just illustrating that on average it takes about 11 runs to win a game?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 17, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to check the specific section, I can't remember it completely.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 17, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just gonna quote this for the sake of clarity:
The Runs/Wins column shows you how many runs it takes to add a win. The more runs it takes, the more frequently this event takes place in unimportant situations. The fewer runs it takes, the more important the typical situation in which the event occurs.
So basically, I totally didn’t remember that section, and was using a stat to mean something it doesn’t. My bad, entirely.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 18, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you add it up it kinda makes sense.
The difference in WHIP last year between Peavy and Dice-K is about 1.5 baserunners per 9 innings. Using the run values chart, this is anywhere from .5 runs (2 walks) to 2.1 runs (2 HR’s) per game. It would probably be something in between, but is the difference between a 3.00 and 4.00 ERA (though did not end up like this because of Dice-K’s good fortune last year).
For the BA case, in 500 AB’s, that is 15 extra hits, which is anywhere from 7ish runs to 22ish runs. That could be up to 2 full wins per season, which is definitely important.
What this last two minutes taught me more than anything is the limitations of both WHIP and AVG.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 16, 2009 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not questioning the logic, I’m just commenting on how such small differences can add up to something important over time.
by Gnick on Jun 16, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna assume that the person who edited the title is the same person who front-paged my story.
Kinda ruined the pun.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 15, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Off topic
My son send me a nice Red Sox shirt for father’s dad. Only problem is that is has Julio Lugo’s name and number on the back. I am thinking of re-writing my will!
ANYONE WANT A NICE RED SOX SHIRT?
by NG on Jun 15, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jun 15, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Is there a way to rec NG’s son? Is he a member of SBN somewhere?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Jun 16, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe rec'ing the comment will transfer over to him?
That’s what I’m gonna do.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 16, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade him
why is there no talk of trading Dice-K??
by wdogg72 on Jun 16, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because it's not possible w/o pissing off all of Japan.
Same reason why Hideki Matsui can’t be traded – they’d rather just go back to Japan, b/c to them being traded is an insult. I’d rather keep him and continue to pick up Japanese prospects with the same ease as Tazawa.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I believe his contract has a no-trade clause.
by lone1c on Jun 16, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's been a good pitcher other than, y'know, now.
Not great. Frustrating. But good.
by USG on Jun 20, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jinx.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In answer to your question...
…based on the first inning of Braves-Sox (currently unfolding):
HELL TO THE NO.
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 19, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The title?
It was supposed to be a semi-pun, but someone went and edited it from the original:
Is DiceK OK?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 20, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dice Slay
I got an idea he Dick K, slay w/e is going through the same problems Big Popi has, PID withdrawls…. bottom line take a year off he sucks now. OH, and Beckkkkkkkket is no God ok, he had his struggles early he an’t on Holiday and he is not Roy Haladay! lol
by bigflopi on Jun 21, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You could understand what he was trying to say?
Funny that he couldn’t spell Papi right, and he has a “nickname” for him as his username.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 21, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PID?
Papi is having withdrawal from Pelvic Inflammatory Disease?
by Gnick on Jun 23, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His hips are flying open too quickly now, I guess.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 23, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
“OH, and Beckkkkkkkket is no God ok, he had his struggles early he an’t on Holiday and he is not Roy Haladay! lol”
What. the. fuck? This is perhaps the least coherent sentence I have ever read, anywhere. Not a single part of this makes sense, from the capitalization of god in this context to “an’t on Holiday”, this has got to be the single worst sentence ever written in the English language.
by Gnick on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are worse, I guarantee you.
Plus, this can’t qualify as English.
Last thing – I always thought of God as an outfielder. I mean, he taught the angels to play so they could help the California Angels. :)
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reccing this
rather than deleting it, like I do with most obnoxious, idiotic things that are posted on the site. That’s because this is an exceptional piece of stupidity. I’m going to print it out on nice paper, frame it, and put it in the Hall of Stupidity, which is conveniently located in a large sporting arena in the Bronx. There it will gloriously join Alex Rodriguez’s conscience, his respect for the sport of baseball, and his dignity, as well as Captain Intangibles’ Intangibles (both display cases, incidentally are empty).
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jun 24, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs


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