More DH Trade Targets
by BTLove on May 29, 2009 2:12 PM EDT
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PrintAs everyone knows, David Ortiz has been absolutely terrible. And, as we've all been discussing, it has to be about time for the Sox to make some contingency plans. The trade talk stuff has been popping up all over the site, so I thought I would try to consolidate the info a little. Here are the guys I think will be most talked about in the next few weeks.
The Guys That We've Already Discussed:
Victor Martinez
- would take too much considering that he wouldn't be playing a whole lot of catcher for us.
Adam Dunn:
- Seems like a good fit, but the Nats seem to be asking for a lot right now.
Nick Johnson:
- Also a good fit, but injury prone and the Nats want Bowden. Too much.
Adrian Gonzalez:
- Absolute pipe-dream.
Other Guys That are in the Rumor-Mill:
Brad Hawpe:
- 09:$5.5M, 10:$7.5M, 11:$10M club option ($0.5M buyout)
- This is an interesting one that we have not yet discussed. He makes reasonable money and is a good (and sometimes great) hitter. He is absolutely mashing this year with an OPS of 1.008. However, how would he do away from Coors? He is about 30 OPS points better at home than away for his career, but that does not seem too bad considering he plays in the NL West and plays a lot of games in LA and San Diego, two of the biggest pitcher parks in the league. He is a true DH, with a UZR of -37.2! last year.
- I think it is a solid fit and the Rockies are an easier trade partner than the Nats. He should come cheaper than Holliday to the A's, so maybe MDC and a lower tier prosepct?
Matt Holliday:
- He's starting to pick it up, but still does not look like the MVP-type hitter he was in the past. My guess is that he would take a lot, but we would get 2 high draft picks if he walked after the year, so we should take that into account.
Prince Fielder, Miguel Cabrera:
- I put these guys in because someone just floated the idea in a Fanpost, but I do not think either are available with the way their teams are playing. Maybe in the offseason for either though.
Carlos Lee:
- 09:$18.5M, 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$18.5M.
- He makes a ton of money and is signed for a few too many years. But if the Astros were to pay some of his contract, it might make sense. However, I read on mlbtraderumors.com that he would not waive his no-trade claue no matter what, so probably a moot point.
Mark Derosa:
- 09:$5.5M
- He can play all over the field and would let us rotate Bay, Drew, Youk, Lowell or even Pedroia into the DH spot if we want. However, he is at best an .800 OPS hitter and would probably take a lot to acquire (the Indians seem to like to "win" all of thier trades and might demand a ransom for Derosa).
- I think we could get just as good production by plugging Bailey or Carter into the DH spot everyday.
Austin Kearns:
- 09:$8M, 10:$10M club option ($1M buyout)
- The least desireable of the Nationals options. He has a career .786 OPS, but is at .730 this year and .627 next year. Like Derosa, I do not think he is significantly better than Bailey or Carter at this point.
Jeff Franceour:
- please, no.
The White Sox Hitters
The White Sox were buyers just last week with the Jake Peavy deal, and are only 5 games back, but I think we should all be rooting for an extended slump in the next few weeks because they have some pretty solid hitters who are all playing well this year and fit the "rent-a-player" mold that a lot of us would prefer.
Jim Thome:
- Final year of his deal and currently putting up an OPS of .895. Perfect DH.
Jermaine Dye:
- Also in the last year of his contract (with a 2010 mutual option). OPS of .872 on the year. It would be nice to trade for someone that we could rotate into the OF a little bit. I think this would be a great fit.
Paul Konerko:
- 09: $12M 10:$12M.
- He has another year on his deal, so I would prefer the other guys. But Konerko is hitting well (.870 OPS) and we could rotate him in at 1B to give Lowell/Youk some days off.
Chicago is an aggressive front office, so if they do fall out of contention, I think Dye and Thome will definitely be on the trading block. Who will they want back? Probably Bowden or someone good, but maybe we could get it done for cheaper than that.
There should be a lot of options out there, so hopefully we can get something done. Personally, I do not want to give up Bowden or Bucholz unless we get Adrian Gonzalez, Fielder or Cabrera, and I don't think any of that is happening. It should be an interesting next few weeks.
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I don’t think any of these potential trades would happen until the trade deadline or Papi gets worse (which would be hard for him to do). Unless you are talking one year rental I don’t think the White Sox Hitters are the way to go, Thome is pretty old, Dye and Konerko are getting up there as well. Adrian Gonzalez would be great but would probably cost too much assuming he would be available but is certainly the type of player that could be DH for a long time at Fenway. DeRosa, Kearns, Frenchy could probably be had at a decent price but they wouldn’t provide too much beyond what we already have. Hawpe or Holliday would be amazing acquisitions I believe but once again what do we give? Our farm is pretty well loaded at the top right now but I can’t pick out any individual who I think we could trade without slapping ourselves about it later. Same reasons why I’m glad we didn’t get Santana, we got to keep Lester, Buch and Ells.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Thome, Dye and Konerko would definitely be one (or 2) year rentals.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
Thome’s contract is up after this year. Dye has a mutual option with a $1 million buyout. Dunn is signed next year for $12 million.
My guess is that Dunn would cost the most to get in terms of players because he is younger and Washington is tough to deal with.
In some ways, I’d rather have Thome than Dunn.
(1) The Sox are rid of Thome’s contract after this year, or can re-sign him for less money. Thus, the Sox have more flexibility going forward with Thome than they would with Dunn.
(2) Dunn is off the a great start. His OPS+ of 164 is much higher than his career OPS+ of 131. To me, Dunn is a a lock for an OPS+ of 130-135. Thome has posted OPS+ of 150 (2007), 123 (2008), and has an OPS+ of 128 so far this year. I think Thome is a lock for an OPS+ of 125 at least, which pretty much approximates Papi last year. In short, I don’t think Dunn is that much better than Thome that he is worth a better package of prospects and $12 million next year.
That said, the AL Central isn’t very good. And the Chsiox will wait before selling off players.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 29, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Red Sox will
still need to get a DH in 2010 if Papi reign is over. I would rather have Dunn locked to 2 or 3 years than just a one year rental. That seems like a waste of prospects…i guess if we can get Thome for a B or C+ prospect.
this is random
but i just thought about it….does anybody remember who we got for Wily Mo?
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
Chris Carter
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on May 29, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
For future reference:
BBRef has all of the trades a player was part of listed at the bottom of their page.
Adrian Gonzalez is out, according to MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/05/adrian-gonzalez-not-available.html
I am only interested in a few listed. I like Fielder, but it would take a bundle. Dye and Konerko are two solid options as well as Thome.
if people consider Dunn too old
then Thome, Dye and Konerko have to be in that same category
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on May 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Im telling you
AG will not be playing for SD next season. I go to SD on the weekends with my girlfriend and I read the Tribune, there are numerous stories about how the Padres are borderline bankrupt. Padres previous owner had to sell bc of his divorce and his inability to pay off his ex-wife, the new owners are in a bad situation and if they dont get what they want from the Peavy deal, AG could be gone very easily, for the right offer. This is a negotiation tactic. With the Dodgers owning the division and being very young the Padres have zero chance to win the division in the immediate future even if they kept Peavy and AG.
Padres will trade AG, they are just waiting for someone to blow them away. They want what Texas got for Texieria and rightly so.
AG contract is relatively speaking a bargain
I think he’s paied in the range of 5.5-6.5 millions which is cheap for a GG first baseman who is leading the NL in HRs, plus the guy is a SD native and a mexican-american! But if the Padres are willing to deal him: I’ll go with a Bowden, Lars and Kalish package (no one can beat that and please don’t shoot me for saying this)
We could platoon Lowell, Youk and AG through the 1B 3B DH position.
Like BTLove says: It’s an ABSOLUT pipe dream
The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!
AG is making $3M this year and $4.75M next year. If they manage to trade Peavey they will have a tiny payroll next year. Chris Young and Gonzalez will be basically the only guys making more than $1M per year. They can afford to pay him. The question is whether they can get more value through 2011 with a package of prospects. And I would make the trade you propose, Radiohix, in a second.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
I checked Cot's and no way SD could trade that guy
Only if they hire Bavasi as a new GM (I still can’t believe that he traded Adam Jones)
The only Red Sox fan in a country where nobody cares about basball!
surprizing
boy my spelling of late is quite creative!
No one has mentioned him yet
But Rick Ankiel could be a decent option. He could also play all three OF positions to give guys off days in the field. He’ll be a free agent after this season and the Cardinal OF is already very crowded with Duncan, Rasmus, and Ludwick. I bet it wouldn’t cost too much to get him and he can mash when he’s on top of his game.
by Gnick on May 30, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
They have a crowded outfield
but they might want alot considering that he is a good bat.
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I think
Ankiel has to be traded. They have Colby Rasmus ready, and the rest of the outfield positions are full. They might want to deal Schumaker considering he is the odd man out, but Ankiel will be pushed out of center to make room for Rasmus. I think Schumaker might be easier to get ebcause they might want to have a outfielder around to keep just in case of any of the other outfielders get injured.
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But he's still worth a lot.
I’d love to have him, but at what cost? They can always find someone willing to pay them what they want..
What about Duncan?
He might be a good fit considering that he is a power lefty to replace what was a power lefty.
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Pysch
My only trouble with him is that who knows if that psychological issue that ended his pitching career could also in the future prevent him from hitting the ball. The odds are small but it could happen and I don’t think something like that is fixable.
A shame too, he was looking like he could be a tremendous pitcher, weird how the human mind works sometimes.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
He's had no issues with batting, ever.
And his arm is still great – he can hit a glove from the CF fence. If he tried to pitch again, he probably could.
You don't see it coming
Well he didn’t have any issues with pitching either until that game and he was never able to pitch right again. I don’t know if “Steve Blass disease” is anything that you can recover from. Knoblauch had to be moved to the outfield because he had issues with throwing to first, Ankiel suddenly threw a lot of WPs, and a couple others players have been affect by it as well. I don’t know if “lightning” strikes twice or if it even effects ones batting abilities but it is a testament to his determination that he came back from that horrible experience to become the great hitter and fielder he is today.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Exatcly.
And if it’s such a rare phenomenon in a singular occurrence, what makes you think that he’s more likely to experience similar issues again? Not saying it’s not more likely, just asking if anyone’s looked into this to see if it’s a reoccurring thing.
What about Adam LaRoche?
He might be a good guy to fit in, also, he is a left bat that could replace Ortiz. Maybe we could get a sandwich deal and get Jack Wilson. This might cost alot, but it would be a good deal.
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Nice
I hear the Bucco’s fans groaning again (I go to school in PA, I know a lot of Buccos fans and I thank them everyday for Bay). I like Adam LaRoche but I hear he can be frustrating sometimes. The other thing though is that Wilson is on his way to maybe a career high in errors, however even 15 errors total in a season is an upgrade over tweedle dee and tweedle dum at short.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Matt Holliday for DH ?
Is a big guy with power who can really get around on right-handed pitching. Not prone to extended slumps. Hits in the clutch.
Wow
Must be nice to be one of the few teams in the league who can go out and spend millions or trade your future to win TODAY. Isn’t this why you hate the Yankees.
I see things you don't see.
God, Louie, just shut up.
This is getting annoying – you’re harping on the same thing over and over. Yes, there are fans who panic easily and want to trade for or sign everyone that can help. As you can see above, almost all of the trades would be paid for in prospects, but not enough that would deplete our farm.
Yankees Payroll: $205M + luxury tax (about $20M)= $225M
Sox Payroll: $121M
So the difference is more than $100M. That is almost twice the difference between the Sox and the Rays.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
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