Game 38: Error leads to late Sox loss
by Randy Booth on May 17, 2009 8:47 PM EDT
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FINAL SCORE: Mariners 3, Red Sox 2
The Red Sox made the Mariners look like the 2001 versions of themselves this weekend. 116 wins for this team? Sure! I mean, they just seemed to handle the Sox pretty well these last three dyas.
The Red Sox capped by the roadtrip by losing 3-2 to the Mariners on Sunday, thanks to a walkoff hit in the bottom of the 9th inning by Franklin Gutierrez. It scored Ronny Cedeno, who only reached base because of a throwing error by Mr. Nick Green. There was two outs in the inning. It was Green's eighth error of the season.
The real story was the Sox offense: they left 21 men on base. Twenty-one. The top four in the lineup combined for 16 themselves. J.D. Drew gave the Red Sox at least some offense. He hit a solo home run and scored on a Jason Varitek sacrifice fly.
Justin Masterson did a decent job on the hill. He went 6.1 innings, allowed nine hits, two runs, no walks and struck out six. Manny Delcarmen, Hideki Okajima and Ramon Ramirez combined for two hits, one run (zero earned), one walk and three strikeouts.
The Red Sox went 2-4 on this West Coast trip, but thankfully this is their last West Coast trip of the regular season. That's right! No more flying out to play Oakland, Seattle and LAAAAA. This will be huge for the Red Sox down the road.
Sox are off Monday. Toronto is in town starting Tuesday.
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we need a SS and/or a bat, someway, somehow….
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have both in one person … JULIO LUGO!!!!!
by Randy Booth on May 17, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to find/make a GIF of him doing a baton man dance.
Like the UMich band guy.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus...
Youd think the “Play Nick Green” would have finally got the message… but instead they still dont get it and refuse to admit Lugo isnt a bad option.
by alskor on May 18, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But Lugo isn’t 100% right now.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 18, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a bat coming back: the Youker
by BTLove on May 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 17, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, this team is going to have to make a move sooner than later. Something has got to give. The Sox have been very lucky these first 6 weeks; the devil Rays and MFY’s are heating up. What the FO needs to figure out is where they can obtain- and then play a serious power bat on the field. I do believe the SP will come around, but the offense, not so much. This season feels a lot like 2006 to me, can’t explain it.
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Now that you mention it, I feel it too.
If we continue to have issues with the offense, I’ll sit down one day after school or on a weekend and do a comprehensive power search – closer to the deadline most likely. Carlos Lee, Carlos Quentin, etc. come to mind.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox team currently is NOT championship caliber!
My assessment after being at all 3 Mariners games is that this exact version of the Sox is not championship caliber. Some of what I saw in Seattle will/may straighten itself out but just being purely critical of the team that played in Seattle, this is what I saw:
Very poor players at SS—this is a dire need to correct on both offense and especially defense
DH—Dire need to change and get some offense here. Maybe Ortiz can come back, but Baldelli won’t do
First base—Must get Youk back soon.
Catcher—offensively, Varitek may well contribute this year at an acceptable level, but defensively, he is giving up doubles to every guy with any speed. In the long run, this will cost many games! His offense although better than last year is still not stellar.
Therefore, it is true that much may work out to improve this team from what played in Seattle, but I say that that better happen and soon because what we saw in Seattle is not championship caliber.
by NG on May 17, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just one point
Our production from SS has actually been REALLY good. Green is now hitting .302 and Lugo is batting .333. Their defense, though, has been the problem.
by Randy Booth on May 17, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but does anyone really expect that offensive production to keep up? And the defense is terrible as you said. I’m not lobbying for a power hitting SS- as I know they do not grow on trees, but perhaps a trade for a solid defensive SS (until Lowrie returns) and find another spot for a serious power hitter. It’s gotta be done.
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have Diaz in the minors.
But he’s worse than Papi with the bat right now.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As we stand right now we are weak up the middle
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, with the exception of the Destroyah.
But he’s been in a power slump this season.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty's numbers through 38 games are remarkably similar to 2008
In fact, he is getting on-base at a better rate than he did through the same number of games last year.
This year: .317 AVG/.412 OBP/.414 SLG (1 HR)
2008: .304 AVG/.341 OBP/.411 SLG (1 HR)
Last year, Pedroia didn’t hit his second HR until game # 46.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 17, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Wow. I had COMPLETELY forgot about that.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
we’d have old guys at 3B, SS, and C – not a good plan for a sturdy defense.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a stop gap until Jed returns. Lugo can start the game, Vizquel can finish it. If Jed cannot return we continue that till the season is over. Rangers would have interest in Penny…
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't trust the Rangers.
Like their team, but distrust the management.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just bring up Diaz,
if you want a SS without a bat. There is good chance that Diaz is better in the field at this point than Vizquel.
by BTLove on May 17, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
They can play Gil Velazquez, who can’t hit.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 17, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I’ve seen, GilV is pretty good with the glove…
by Randy Booth on May 18, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At MULTIPLE positions.
Like, ALL of them.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are question marks pretty much everywhere right now
None of those will be answered by Omar Vizquel, please.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on May 17, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop gap was the way I described it.
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a band-aid for a amputation?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It beats watching this stiff Green and Lugo butcher the position every night no?
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
Vizquel is 42-years old. What do you want to give up to get him?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 17, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey?
Joking. I would assume since he mentioned Penny, him.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with MGBB
Vizquel can’t hit. Last year, in 300 PA, he had an OPS+ of 45. That’s awful. Adam Eaton, a pitcher, had an OPS+ of 46 last year.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 17, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy cow.
I didn’t realize he’d slipped that far. I’d rather just bring up Diaz.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im hoping/assuming we could get him in a deal for a catcher as a throw in.
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They aren't trading Salty
But I’ll ask again: what do you want to give up? The Sox FO deals long-term. They aren’t going to panic in May.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 17, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont want to give up much, this is a two month fix w Jed returning.
by matzushocka45 on May 17, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just want to point out that there is a “reply” function.
by BTLove on May 17, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, there are flaws in this team
But every team has flaws. They won 11 straight and everyone was in heaven. Now, they’ve stumbled on the west coast, where they traditionally suck, and eveyone is panicking.
Papi is something to worry about. But the team will give him time—and a DH should be the easiest position to acquire.
The defense at SS isn’t good right now. But this team won a WS with Julio Lugo, and both Green and Lugo are hitting well. Those two players can hold down the position until Lowrie is ready.
As BT pointed out, Youk will be back. That’s a huge offensive and defensive upgrade at 1B. Getting Youk back lengthens the line-up, allowing Lowell to hit 7th (where he belongs).
Beckett and Lester need to get themselves sorted out. Their secondary numbers show they’ve been somewhat unlucky. Also, with Dice-K coming back, Masterson goes back in the pen giving Tito a long-man to use when the starters struggle early.
Theo won’t make a panic move. And, more importantly, there’s little out there now to get.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 17, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Any trade now would be viewed as a panic move, and would require surrendering a lot.
The problem is, the Sox have to hope they can keep things going until late June or so, when teams that aren’t going to compete have to shed some payroll.
by lone1c on May 18, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but a couple corrections:
Lowell should be batting second? I think you mean Papi.. right?
And to me, Beckett has been looking alot better lately. I think he is regaining control of that fastball.
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
by Charged on May 18, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest question for me at least, at this point, it's Jed
What if he comes back only to be another Green/Lugo? Then we’re pretty much fucked at SS, and CF and C aren’t looking pretty as well. I’m not even sure of what to think about DH. That’s 4 spots with basically no offense, too much for a full season in this division.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on May 18, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're extremely wrong
I mean yeah, Lowrie can come back to be a horrible defender aswell, but the rest of it is kinda “What?” to me. SS is producing offensively, regardless of which one is playing. Tacoboy has a 13 game hit streak and has raised his BA above 300 and his OPS is slowly climbing aswell (It was around 6, now is somewhere in the 7s). And Tek? He already has 5 HRs and 16 RBIs. Thats not bad for an 8 hitter IMO. Defensively, he is a liability with his not being able to throw runners out and all, but I still don’t think we face enough speed for him to have to feel threatened every game.
DH is the only real question mark to me. SS defensively, a bit, but other than that, nothing really worries me. Beckett has been looking stronger, Masterson has looked strong, just roughed up here or there, and Wake is doing alot for a #4 starter. Lester is bound to get his act together, it’s just a matter of when. The bullpen won’t falter unless we pile on the innings night in and night out.
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
by Charged on May 18, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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