Testosterone levels the reason for Manny's failed test.
by SoxDevil on May 15, 2009 12:33 PM EDT
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PrintSeveral sources (LA Times, ESPN) are reporting that evidence continues to mount in support of Manny Ramirez' alleged use of performance enhancing drugs. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone levels were 4:1, the lowest level that MLB considers to be abnormal.
Looks like Manny was a little sloppy and just barely failed the drug test.
One source quoted in the LA Times reported that the elevated ratios were caused by synthetic testosterone. Additionally, hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin), the substance that Manny had a prescription for, was absent from Manny's test. Those facts, combined with the league's action seems to support the allegations.
I've always been a Manny apologist, but it's tough to continue to support the beleaguered slugger. I'm convinced that Manny cheated. The question now is for how long? Perhaps the bigger question for baseball: is it coincidence that Scott Boras' clients seem to be the most frequently implicated and caught?
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Indeed
Nevetheless, Manny was one of my favorite Red Sox players and I loved to watch him hit. It’s very disappointing.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Agreed
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 15, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the thing: there’s no way Manny JUST started using. So he had to be using when he was a Red Sox. There’s no possible way that he didn’t.
I don’t know how it works out, but it seems like the Red Sox always get these users off their hands before they’re found guilty…
See: Romero, J.C.?
(And the fact that he stunk for us.)
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Brendan Donnelly too.
He was on the Sox DL when the mitchell report broke.
If I remember right.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
by sox-inda-south on May 15, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not the first time he was tested
Manny was tested repeatedly all the time.
Either
a) he suddenly forgot how to take the drugs to avoid detection
or
b) he started using in the past year
Personally, I think b) is more likely.
This Spring was not the first time his testosterone levels were tested.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
Please make it stop!
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
Fat chance it'll happen now
But if we knew the results of the tests Manny supposedly passed, we could probably figure out when he started using—-or at least increased his usage—-by when the figures started trending towards abnormal.
My guess, though, was that it was more likely than not sometime after the 2007 WS: the combination of a contract year, weaker NL pitching, plus a little something extra could explain Manny’s extraterrestrial production after heading out west.
We need some more Johnnie Cochranisms for Manny.
“If you’re not in the zone, shoot testosterone!”
“If Theo won’t kneel, then force him to deal!” (on the Bay trade)
Any others?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
players can test positive
when they are using. The need to cycle off at the right time, or take steroids that clear fast and hope for the best (eg deca-durabolin or primobolan) or use a drug that is not easy to catch (always making new ones, like the clear and cream were). Manny seemed to be doing the first thing and misstimed. Oh well…
Who cares that he was taking while on the Sox. So were others. Want to guess? Damon, Tek, Papi, Nixon…I don’t really care. 1/2 the 2000 Yankees are actually ON the Mitchell report. Should we void their WS? The Sox competition was also juiced. It is time to move on from caring about this.
i would go further than that
The drug testing has improved a lot since 2000. I think players who tested clean in recent years should be given more of a presumption of innocence than the players who weren’t tested at all in the 90s.
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