What is wrong with Josh Beckett?
We have all witnessed Beckett's less than stellar performances this year. After a great start against the Rays, he has had difficulties ranging from decent starts (as in last nights game) to horrible ones. The traditional statline is clearly bad. Beckett has a 6.42 ERA in 40+ innings and a whip of 1.77. While the season is young, it is useful to look inside these numbers and see if we can learn anything about Beckett's struggles.
1)Beckett's walks are way up. In 2007 Beckett walked 40 in 200 innings, In 2008 he walked 34 in 174. He has already walked 20 in merely 40 innings to date. Before 2007, Beckett hovered around a 8.5 BB%. In 2007 and 2008 he cut that nearly in half below 5%. This year, he is at a career high 10.47%.
2)There is nothing wrong with Beckett's arm. Beckett's average fastball velocity is right in line with the last two seasons. His K numbers have been good as well with more than 1K per inning.
3)He has been unlucky. As we have all witnessed, Beckett "appears" to have been undone by weakly hit balls. For example last night an infield single and a bloop hit the other way contributed to 2 of the Rays' 3 runs. It seems like this has happened a lot. A check of Beckett's BAPIP supports this. Beckett currently has a BAPIP of 381, compared to a career average close to 300. On the other hand, his LD% is significantly up, at a high 25% (previous season high of 19.2% last year). This suggests that part of the BAPIP issue is luck, but part is not. On the other hand, it is known that these two are empirically correlated (usually quoted as LD%+0.12=BAPIP). We see that Josh's BAPIP is exceeding his "empirical" BAPIP a tad. Overall this is bound to come down.
4)His HR allowed, are, so far, not his problem. HR/BIA (5.33%) is below the good years of 2007, 2008, and not close to his awful 2006 of 10.75%.
So, from this we can say that control has been the biggest issue. The rest seems beyond Beckett's ability to control. What is different? Well, for one thing, his pitch selection is significantly different from his 2 previous years. Just check out the numbers here:
http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=510&position=P
Beckett is throwing a far lower percentage of fastballs, and a far higher % of curveballs. Clearly this seems to indicate either a plan that the Sox have, or the possibility that Beckett is not happy with his ability to command his fastball, which has seemed to be the case in several games this year. In conclusion, the numbers show that Beckett's biggest problem has been location and command related, and is not related to HRs allowed or velocity. He has been likely unlucky, but if you are repeatedly catching too much of the plate your BAPIP will be higher. It is obvious, but if Beckett can start to command the fasball, he can throw more of them, and we should see the return of "good" Josh Beckett. Otherwise, this could be a very disappointing season from our ace.
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Fastball Command
His fastball is “TOO” good. He clearly still has the velocity of previous years so that is not the reason. To my eyes it looks like his fastball has alot more movement then of previous years, pitch fx seems to agree.
I think he will eventually get used to where his fastball is going and have better control. As you said all his peripherals are very good except for the walks. He just needs to get into the groove and then watch out.
by drabidea on May 11, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jon Lester
The real question is what is wrong with Jon Lester?
by drabidea on May 11, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Deserves it's own post.
But I will say this: Before Saturday, he appeared to be close to returning to form.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work.
Post rec’d.
All of this indicates that he needs some extra bullpen sessions or coaching. It also indicates that his bad luck may also be caused by a poor defense – which seems apparent while watching.
Lowell’s getting older, SS’s been streaky, DP’s been good but not great, and Youk’s been in and out of the lineup.
The OF is filled with two weak arms; a below average glove, a slightly above average glove, and a young CF who’s still learning.
Tek’s been pretty good defensively, and I would think that Beckett’s relatively fast delivery would help control runners. They are still going to be running a lot on Tek (esp. after Tito goes and blabs about our strategy for 2 outs), and that’s going to create more runs for the opposition – which is exactly why the command issues are what scares me the most.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Defense Agreed
I don’t blame him at all, but Lowell doesn’t have the range anymore because of the surgery. Lugo is still awful (Lowrie when are you coming back to us?). Bay is still learning the monster too.
Overall I think we will get better. We haven’t had a good string of games with all of the starters in there playing together.
On a side note, Kottaras has been great.
by drabidea on May 11, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our defense is one of the worst in the league this year by UZR.
Jason Bay and Julio Lugo are on pace for epically bad defensive years, Lowell and Drew have gotten worse and even Pedroia has been below average this year. So we cannot assume that our pitchers’ BABIP’s are going to regress to the mean. Maybe our fielders have been unlucky this year as well? Its hard to say, but this team has been very good defensively the last few years and this year we clearly suck.
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I meant.
Although I was reluctant to use UZR b/c of the small sample size.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, kinda scary that I was able to intuitively pick out the defensive weak links.
I’m becoming a better fan!
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Checking my work on a calculation over at BtB.
Trying to find our expected win total if we had a replacement level defense for the rest of the year.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We often refer to players as “replacement level”, but I’m not sure how you would define that for only the fielding aspect. My point, Manny is obviously much better than replacement level, but he is one of the worst fielders in the league.
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't a replacement level fielder at 0 for UZR?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a 0 UZR is an average fielder for his position.
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm... Let me do some reading on UZR.
I’m nowhere near knowledgeable enough about it to hold my own in this discussion.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Average = Replacement in UZR.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like separating "replacement" into fielding and hitting.
The idea of a replacement level player is one who is easily attainable. A player who is an average fielder is definitely easily attainable, but he could be such a bad hitter that he is well below “replacement level” as a player.
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a replacement level player.
A player who fields at the replacement level – regardless of his batting.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I don’t think you could ever define this. The AAAA players; the ones we use to define replacement level players, field at all levels. Who would be considered a replacement level fielder?
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One who doesn't make lots of stupid mistakes...
takes proper routs most of the time, flashes the leather occasionally, and can get runners out/hold them with their arm.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 12, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Great Post. I agree with everything you said. Thanks for the info.
by drabidea on May 11, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitch Selection
He is throwing fewer fastballs, but not significantly fewer. I think for some reason, many of his fastballs are being registered as two-seamers this year. So he’s really throwing something like 66% fastballs, which is less than 2007 and 2008, but only by a few percentage points (3% of 749 pitches is 22 pitches, which is only a few pitches per start fewer than 2007). I’m not sure this is enough of a difference to cause or indicate a significant difference in performance.
You are 100% right, however, about the control problems. He has been a bit unlucky, but the increased BB rate is the main culprit of the huge ERA. He has to remember how to locate his pitches or he’s screwed. Personally, I think it will come together for him.
Great post, btw.
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said this last night...
I believe that PitchFX would read a four-seam as a two-seam if it had enough horizontal movement – which would explain his lack of control over it. His 4-seam fastball is moving to much on him, and he’s learning to moderate it. I’d like to know why he has suddenly developed this movement however.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense.
I have no idea what could cause this, but it seems to be having an effect. The one thing that pops into my head is that he is doing something in his motion to compensate for past injuries? I dunno.
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
If someone can find a video of him from pre07-ish, 07-ish, and recently, I could create a series of GIF’s to compare.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible resource.shortcut:
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, I forgot how suckish that site's become.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can
search hardball times-they had a piece on this from a while back debunking the “slower to the plate” myth. It is outdated, though, so just compares 06&07.
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any idea what month?
It’d cut down search time.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
gotta read it later. Just realized I was supposed to be doing homework for the past couple hours – whoops.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's it.
and I gotta go grade my finals. Looks like they really screwed up…ugh.
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
seems a lot more in depth that I was planning. But one look at a video should be pretty obvious – quick screen grab, compare to the last set of shots at the end of the article.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 12, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
I rec’d it.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on May 11, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the feedback
I agree with the comments made here. A few questions back to you guys:
1)If the pitch breakdown is indeed confused by movement on the different fastballs that would suggest something different beacuse the velocities on the 4-seam and curve are exactly like last year. Thus I tend to think his selection really is different and they are accurately gauging pitch type. Maybe it is more accurately put that he is using the 2-seam too much? That might also explain control issues with the fastball?
2)I agree the defense has been really poor. Lester all but said it in a polite way after the ugly loss that could have looked a whole lot different without Lugo and Bailey screwing things up. We should expect Lowell and Drew to be worse but overall we will get better when SS is sured up, Youk returns, etc.
3)I also agree that Beckett’s BAPIP is effected by this, but not this much. No team posts an average BAPIP of 380, even the Yankees, and otherwise Beckett is always average. I do think, however, his bad location is correlated with this and the very large number of line drives.
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason I think that PitchFX might be reading the fastballs wrong is that he threw 0% 2 seamers in 2007 and .3% in 2008. I haven’t heard much about him developing a new pitch so I assume its wrong. I know PitchFX messes up with some guys’ stuff. (For example with Mariano, it doesn’t seem to be able to differentiate his cutter and his fastball with any kind of accuracy.)
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, PitchFX's been used since 07 IIRC.
So it could be the result of it being tweaked. It’d be nice if we had access to players so that we could find out from them if the data matches up with what actually occurred.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
1) Is there any resource that breaks down pitches by speed, instead of movement?
2) I’m more concerned about Tek and DP. We need to find a way to control the runners, and find out if DP is going to keep up his GG-caliber play at 2B.
3) Just saying, his BABIP may not regress as far as we expected.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Not sure, but the fangraphs link does give the speed averages on each.
2)Not concerned about either. DP is a solid fielder, and Tek is likely the same as before. Much more concerned about Bay-despite the position, Lowell and Drew.
3)Sure, but I think this is as much his fault as the defense when you subtract randomness. I mean an LD% of 25%…
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you flip the filters? Split them by speed, then how PitchFX judged them.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the LD% means more balls that are being hit to our weak OF.
It’d mean nothing if we could convert more of them into outs – whether through better positioning, routes, or speed/glove.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
generally
better contact. That is why there really is a correlation with BAPIP and LD%. Hard to disentangle all of it, but that is my guess. Also in line with this is that his swinging strike % is the lowest it has been, but is is only 1% oint below the last 2 years.
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry
that was meant to be a reply to bs’s post above
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assumed.
I’ll read it later.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 11, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Along with Beckett's struggles
The fact that we are still 20-12 even with terrible performances from Beckett, Lester, and Dice-K, makes me feel very good about the future. I have no doubt that all three of them will regress towards their norms, and even if they only combine for a 4.00 ERA from here on out they will have done significantly better than they have so far.
Now if we could only get Papi’s bat awakened we could be a 100+ win team.
by Gnick on May 11, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Half-full/Half empty?
I thought this too, but maybe goes both ways. Beckett, lester and Dice-K have sucked so far or been injured. Ortiz has been a zero and Lowrie is out. On the other hand, Youk, Bay, Wake, Green and Penny and the pen have overperformed. Which regression wins?
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Pen has overperformed.
Well, maybe a little bit, but I think its the best one we’ve seen in Boston for a long, long time. How many of these guys would be closers on half the teams in the league? A bunch.
by BTLove on May 11, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
one of the best I have ever seen, but it has overperformed.
by Buzzy on May 12, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penny
Has most certainly not over-performed. And I could see Green maintaining the .773 OPS for the rest of the season.
by Gnick on May 16, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect from Penny?
he has essentially given the Sox a chance to win in all but 1 start (well actually 2 but the Sox won one of his crap starts). For a #5 pitcher with coming off an injury plagued year with a bum shoulder, that is more than you could expect. So, let’s not call it “overperforming” but it is more than you should expect. Green has neever even put up a 700OPS, so why should we think he can maintain a 773, magic dust?
by Buzzy on May 16, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's going off on a tangent.
About players that some people think have been playing over there head – Penny, Green, etc.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 17, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with Beckett?
Part of the problem is the strength of opposition. In his first seven games, he’s faced the Rays THREE TIMES, and the Yankees twice. The other two teams were Baltimore and LAA.
Admitting that I am concerned, seven games, five of them against good offenses, isn’t enough of a sample to conclude much of anything. You throw out his two terrible starts (4/25 and 4/30) and his numbers look much different:
31 IP, 15 R, 32 H, 13 BB, 1 HR, 4.35 Runs per 9 innings
Not vintage Beckett, but much better than the one who pitched 4/25 and 4/30:
9.2 IP, 15 R, 20 H, 7 BB, 3 HR, 13.97 ERA
I think Beckett will improve, especially when he plays some games against weak offenses, like those in the AL Central.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on May 11, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sample is small
indeed. But, 20BBin 40 innings? Gotta get that in line if there is a cause.
by Buzzy on May 11, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
…but if he’s going to be batting sub.250, I damn sure expect Varitek’s veteranly good-ness to fix it…
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on May 11, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's obvious it's just his fastball thats out of line.
As you said, alot of his 4 seams have so much movement that they register as a 2 seam. Its good when he throws the ball over the middle because it drops right in at the top of the zone. But it seems when he tries to go outside or inside, the ball moves right out of the zone. So far, Beckett has looked pretty damn good to me, he just has real bad luck right now and a fastball that he needs to work on.
As everyone else said though, I am really concerned about Lester
I didn't like the old one very much. I didn't see the ball there very well. - Julio Lugo on the old Yankees Stadium.
by Charged on May 12, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See my post on Lester in ecoli's thread
I am actually less concerned about Lester. First, he strung together several good starts in a row. His K’s are up. His LD% down and although his GB% is down, it is still highish. He has amassed more than 50% of his earned runs in 3 implosion innings, and he has a BAPIP of 400 and a crazy 17% HR/FB ratio. He has been severely unlucky, while Beckett has been a bit unlucky.
by Buzzy on May 12, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... no one's really that concerned with Lester.
Maybe about his life and the horrid luck he has, but not his pitching.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 12, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with the Red Sox
It’s not just a question of what’s wrong with Josh Beckett but the entire Red Sox team including Lester and Ortiz. I could not believe David Ortiz going 0 for 7 and leaving 12 runners stranded the other night against the Angels. Something is definitely wrong with the Bo Sox. With Manny gone and Jason Bay in left field, an excellent replacement, the Red Sox should be playing much better but instead continue to blow games, such as tonight against Seattle, they would have won in the past.
by cliffypoo on May 16, 2009 2:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its time to dump Beckett and Penny
Maybe its time to dump Beckett and Penny while we can still get something for him. We have solid gold in Pawtucket who are the future of the franchise. Why not use them to fill in with quality hitting players at catcher and third.
by GFL George on May 18, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
funny how a few bad losses swing people’s views so violently…
by Buzzy on May 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Esp. when he's getting better every start, and can easily eclipse the value of his salary within a few months.
Tek and Lowell have been great offensively for what is expected out of them.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 18, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa...easy
Beckett has inconsistencies in his game, but that’s not a surprise – we knew that getting into things. Both he and Lester are throwing more offspeed this year for some reason, this leads me to believe Farrell has them up to something, maybe trying to avoid mid season DL stints, I don’t know, but there’s something to it. And who is worth that level of talent at 3rd or catcher. Or both?
I have a feeling that if Beckett or Lester needed a big game win, they’d simplify things. For instance, Lester is a fastball/changeup/cutter guy that for some reason is throwing a curveball one in five pitches. Beckett is a fastball/curveball pitcher but he’s mixing in a two seamer and throwing the off speed pitches a bit more.
That combined with the injury bug and Papi’s slump and consider that with injuries come defensive inefficiency in most cases, the Sox are playing fantaistic right now.
Back away from the ledge.
by super7 on May 20, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Dump Beckett!!
Josh Beckett is our ace, remember the 2007 20-7 year? He had nagging injuries last year and is slow out of the gate. Dump Penny and Smoltz, Eventually Wakefield will retire (sigh), and the gold mine in the PawSox rotation will shine at Fenway in the near future
by RedSoxCookie322 on May 19, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Woah.
Why the hate for Smoltz? And, Penny’s been good for a #5 pitcher.
No one here wants to “dump” Beckett. Read the rest of the comments. Welcome to OTM, btw.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 19, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not dump Beckett
Beckett’s problem is simple, going back to last year, Beckett’s problem has been the same, he start’s off every game by throwing to many fastballs and then by the 3rd or 4th inning Sox are playing catch up down 5-1 or 6-2 because he has left a few pitches up high. For Beckett to be sucessful he needs to establish that good fastball of his in the very first inning. Everyone know’s that Beckett is at his best when he can mix all his pitches, which is something a few times he has only done in the past few years. Look at film, try to find a game in which Beckett pitched a shutout or allowed just 1 run, you will see the variety of pitches from the begginning of the game versus fastball after fastball like he’s been doing lately.
by SpinnersNation on May 23, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz and Penny
I shouldn’t have used the word dump. But Smoltz is 42 with nagging injuries, and Penny’s great, but we could get good value for him on the trade market in unstable positions such as SS or catcher
by RedSoxCookie322 on May 20, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can none of the newbies pick up on the "reply" button?
Smoltz – wait and see how the surgery fixes his arm
Penny – he’s good, but if we trade him, it would have to be to a team that is desperate for an arm to fill a slot, and likely at the deadline.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 20, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz and Penny
The surgery could work out great, but he’s 42. And definitely agree with Penny, because teams like the Brewers and Mets are desperate for a starting pitcher
by RedSoxCookie322 on May 20, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: reply button
If you want to reply to a specific comment hit the “reply” button and it will group your comment with that one.
by BTLove on May 21, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't stereotype old guys - we already have the designated user for that (NG).
He WAS recovering extremely fast before his setback.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 21, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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