Josh Beckett suspended 6 games for ump's late timeout
by SoxDevil on Apr 14, 2009 4:34 PM EDT
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Josh Beckett was suspended for 6 games today for allegedly throwing a head-high pitch at the Angels' Bobby Abreu. Bob Watson, who handed out today's suspensions on behalf of MLB, said that Beckett will also be fined an undisclosed amount of money. The severity of the discipline was due to "aggressive actions after the pitch that incited the bench-clearing incidient," according to Watson.
What a load of horse-crap.
Beckett went on record after the game by saying that the pitch was unintentional and a result of the late timeout by the umpire.
"I've never hit anybody in the head, and it's not really on my list of stuff to accomplish. But people can think what they want to think," Beckett said after Sunday's game. "I know Bobby Abreu. He knows I'm not trying to hit him in the head. Obviously, there's been a lot of emotion in this series with them -- not only facing us, but obviously the tragedy that all of them went through."
I have no reason not to believe Josh Beckett, and it's easy to imagine how a pitcher could lose command due to a late timeout. ESPN reported that Beckett was in the middle of his throwing motion when the timeout was granted by the umpire.
After the wild pitch, there was jawing from all sides. At this time it's not known who said what to whom, but perhaps that factored into the decision. In all, this isn't a major blow to the Red Sox. Josh Beckett will miss only one start, assuming the suspension is not reduced upon appeal.
Angels hitting coach Mickey Hatcher was suspended one game and fined. Manager Mike Scioscia and players Torii Hunter and Justin Speier were fined, but not suspended.
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Deserved
Well deserved suspension and fine after getting away getting scott free for throwing at a batters head and instigating fights
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
by devildogamp on Apr 14, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
Mickey Hatcher was suspended as well
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
by devildogamp on Apr 14, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what was his excuse
for agressively walking toward home plate after the pitch?
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
I’d have more sympathy for Beckett if he didn’t angrily start walking towards home plate/Abreu. It’s 1 start missed and I think a fair suspension.
by James Kannengieser on Apr 14, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it had something to do with what Abreu said
But who knows. I don’t think that Beckett intentionally threw at Abreu’s head, and that’s the point I made.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Apr 14, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
What could Abreu possibly have said to provoke Beckett when Beckett was the one who had just thrown at Abreu’s head?
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a low talker.
He wanted to make sure Abreu knew exactly what he should stick up his a**.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It looked like Abreu was pointing to him.
As if he was trying to get Beckett in trouble.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
from what i remember beckett didn’t start the jawing until abreu had overreacted to the pitch
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Overreacting' to a 94 MPH Fastball inches from your Face.? During what was to Abreu a timeout.
Are you Smokejumper? or a motorcycle daredevil? Or on the Bombsquad?
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Apr 15, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a timeout for all of a second.
He didn’t mean to nearly peg him, I’m sure.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 15, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
none
He cant excuse it. he should have just let the ump do his job so it would go away, Abreu and the ump were getting things settled until he walked toward the mound
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
by devildogamp on Apr 14, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm..
Not like being a jerk or anything but maybe some players that experience that red sox/yanks rivalry once they are out of it they wish they were in it or still have some bad blood .. thats like when i watched the yanks take on the royals crisp had this look on his face like he was still with the sox and wanted to take a yankees head off ..
by I Bleed Pinstripes on Apr 14, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but
then again we fans blow up the rivalry and some of these players put on a show for us and then go out for a beer after the game together … its almost like WWE lol when some of the sox/yanks face off against each other
by I Bleed Pinstripes on Apr 14, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think the throw at Abreu warrants suspension.
the timeout was granted in the middle of his pitch, so it would be very feasible for him to try and stop and then lose control. could it have been intentional? of course. he certainly deserves to be suspended for walking towards home plate after the fact – if a batter walks towards the mound, they get tossed, and maybe suspended. i just don’t think you can automatically assume it was intentionally thrown at abreu.
"All literary men are Red Sox fans - to be a Yankee fan in a literate society is to endanger your life." -John Cheever
by pedroiastroika on Apr 14, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
someone said in the game thread for that game that pitching a baseball is a violent motion, and it is very easy to lose control, especially if you try and stop that motion mid-throw.
"All literary men are Red Sox fans - to be a Yankee fan in a literate society is to endanger your life." -John Cheever
by pedroiastroika on Apr 14, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea it is once you going full stride and everything granted i never pitched higher than high school but it is VERY easy to lose control and sometimes guys just take it wrong .. which i mean i wouldn’t be thrilled a josh beckett fasball wizzed by so close to me i felt the breeze and heard the whistle but i pitched so i know it is possible to lose control
by I Bleed Pinstripes on Apr 14, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't able to watch the game
but I did find a link on youtube.
A few comments/questions:
-The only reason Abreu didn’t make “aggressive actions” was because he was already being held back by the plate ump.
-6 games? Shame on you MLB.
-What the hell was Tori Hunter so pissed off at?
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by mystman995 on Apr 14, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ONLY 6 Games?
Beckett should have gotten at least 10 games (2 starts). It has nothing to do with the umpire calling time late. It had everything to do with him trying to freeze the runner, then being pissed and letting loose at the batters chin. Then the tough-guy waits until the original rage is over, and starts walking (slowly) toward the plate….what a wuz.
Hey Beckett, keep you trap shut when the other manager is on the field. You gutless piece…good thing you don’t have to hit, but you know that already.
Even with your good stuff, you’re still a loser…Hey nice necklace too.
by SoCalUmp on Apr 14, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK
we get it, you don’t like Beckett: he is a hothead, wise guy who can’t accessorize but calling him a loser is a stretch— didn’t he win a World Series MVP? And FYI Beckett DID have to hit at one time in his career, maybe not as much now maybe interleague ad WS.
I think everyone overreacted but also think Beckett deserved a suspension of at least one start for walking toward the batter not for the actual pitch. Six games seems like a lot but its just enough for a pitcher to miss a start any more than that is ridiculous.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"keep you trap shut when the other manager is on the field"
What the hell is that about? Scoscia is out there running his mouth, and Beckett can’t stick up for himself?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid Trolls
“Hehe” everytime I write that I think of the first harry potter movie. I don’t hate the Angels, but their fans are pissing me off.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
by sox-inda-south on Apr 14, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should meet "Your" west coast fans.
You’d probably understand. I know that it’s the curse of popularity and success in a major market, but out here (and I assume elsewhere too) being a member of the nation is more of an accessory like a cool t-shirt, or a spiffy new iPhone.
It’s almost universal, the “Red Sox” fans out here have all the deplorable, awful traits that “Bostonians” are unfortunately known for, and none of the good ones (Solid baseball fans who can tell you who Lars Anderson is).
I understand that 70% of baseball fans are casual fans that don’t know much, but at least they usually keep it to them selves. Our So Cal Sox fans think they are god’s freaking gift to baseball, but look completely lost when Nick Green is playing short, and can’t pronounce Rocco Baldelli’s last name at first glance.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
At the game on Saturday, I found more ignorant Angels fans then Sox fans.
Especially the dumbfuck Halo’s fan who kept screaming that Papelbon only could throw two pitches and was wondering why the fuck a guy like Dustin Pedroia won the MVP as opposed to someone who hit more home runs.
by Charged on Apr 14, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariano Rivera, future HoFer, throws only two.
And I think Papelbon has three good pitches. Throws his fastball and splitter the most, though.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Apr 15, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not the fact that he only throws 2 good pitches
The dude was just sitting there basically saying he has a fastball, and a change-up. Which both are wrong.
Fastball, Splitter, Slider, and 2 Seam if I remember correctly.
I know they aren’t all “good” pitches, but the point he was trying to make is he only throws the fastball or 2-seam.
by Charged on Apr 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is a "wuz"
go home…there is nothing wrong with trying to freeze the runner either its part of the game buddy
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holding a runner on base warrants 6 game suspension?
Wow! How long of a suspension should a guy get for actually picking off a runner?
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by DJDP23 on Apr 14, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, crap, Lester got 2 last night.
Our staff is screwed!!!
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you're running down the reasons to suspend Beckett
Let’s not forget “Owns Angels in postseason.” Shit. Why not suspend all the Red Sox!
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Apr 14, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are You Serious
Number 1 you telling Beckett to shut his mouth while your manager is on the field is absolutely hypocritical Scoisca was jawing at Beckett not the other way around, how about as a manager not talking to players on the other team if you have a problem speak with the umps totally unprofessional. The Angels reaction was ridiculous and they blew the situation was out of proportion which is why 4 players from that team got ejected. Any sort of suspension for Beckett in this case is a complete farse. MLB needs to get thier heads out of their a$$. This is a blantant attempt at a make up call since the umps had no basis to throw him out of the game. Lastly calling Beckett a loser is immature and completely baseless considering his career acomplishments. So until you know what you are talking keep your comments to yourself
by spencernhl11 on Apr 15, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason it was six days was so that he missed a start.
Make a position player sit 3 days affects the player and the team more than a SP getting 6 days.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You Got Me
You are correct MassGal, I don’t like him…..and I don’t say that about many people I haven’t personally met (ManRam being another). But also it probably goes back to my YUT when every Sat on NBC had Curt Gowdy and Tony Kubek, calling a BoSox game from Boston, NY, Detroit, or Baltimore. The Hotheaded, WiseGuy that can’t accesorize, is what makes him a loser…not in baseball, but in life. Too Bad
by SoCalUmp on Apr 14, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The hotheads here were Hunter and Scoscia.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
agreed hunter what was his problem like damn its not the sox fault you got the fat girl last night lol
by I Bleed Pinstripes on Apr 14, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter is too smart to put himself in that position unless he completely felt wronged.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cut him - and the Angels - some slack.
He’s a team leader, and he seemed to have really stepped up after the Adenhart tragedy. I’m sure everyone in the dugout has some frayed nerves after last week’s tragedy (I know I would), and they were very emotional in their response.
But it was a wild pitch. Most pitches thrown when the batter calls time mid-windup are wild. This happened to sail over Abreu’s head. Shit happens.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckett
Is not a loser. The man makes $10 million a year, and in current culture and society that pretty much absolves you from being a loser in life. He also is incredibly good at hit profession. So if your idea of a loser is someone who gets paid an obscene amount to do something incredibly well, then yes, Beckett is a loser.
by Gnick on Apr 14, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So no rich person is a loser?
You can’t be serious man.
by James Kannengieser on Apr 14, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madoff.
Rodriguez.
I could go on.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i can’t really back up the money doesn’t make you a loser argument
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but beckett is not a loser
i think he’s proven time and again that he’s a winner…whether you like him or not..the guy is a competitor and doesn’t back down. Now he may be a dick at times but I gotta say hearing him just throw the f-bomb around in his post game interviews amuses me, because he doesn’t care about what anybody thinks about him, and thats awesome.
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A loser
is someone who is a failure at what they have set out to do. Beckett has set out to do two things primarily; make money, as pretty much everyone in America is trying to do, and win baseball games. He has proved to be good at both, meaning that he is not a loser.
by Gnick on Apr 14, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... Madoff set out to steal money, and he did.
Unless you mean that because he didn’t mean to get caught and did that makes him a loser.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is BS.
Watson has it in for the Sox, always has.
Whenever the batter calls time mid-pitch, the ball is ALWAYS wild. This happened to sail over Abreu’s head. Such is life. Beckett’s not going to risk his career by redirecting his arm last minute. There’s no intent. This is BS.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wont go the conspiracy route
but Watson has made some questionable calls ( Francona & the dress code). I do not pay attention to what else Watson does – just the Sox stuff. He might just $uck in general not just with Sox-related matters.
Sox & LAAAAAAAAAA have quite a thing going on.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, he sucks in general.
But things like the Tito incident and Lester’s suspension last year give one pause.
And I’m not the only one who thinks so -
For what it’s worth, Red Sox officials privately have felt for some time that there is a bias for the Yankees (and against the Red Sox?) in the league office. Team officials were quite annoyed earlier this season when Yankees reliever Scott proctor did not receive a suspension after being ejected from a game for hitting a batter after warnings had been issued to both benches. In a similar circumstance earlier in the year, Proctor was suspended.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since this is likely to not get reduced,
we need to call someone up. Watson wants Beckett to miss a start. YOOHOO! Bucholz?!?! Where are you!!! All in favor of Bucholz being called up say “Aye”!
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by sox-inda-south on Apr 14, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nay.
And now he’ll prolly come up and throw a perfect game, just to spite me.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say aye.
But there is a good chance that this will be reduced by an arbitrator.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean
that Joba gets 24 retroactive games? I mean, he has thrown at the same player’s head 3 times and behind him once in something like 15 total innings against Boston.
Anyway, LA fans, there is nothing between the Sox and your team; you have to win more than one palyoff game in 19 years against said team for that to happen.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+10
Ya, where the F is Watson on that one?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean just like there was nothing between you and the Yankees............
Cause I seem to recall you guys being their bitch for a good several years.
In fact, this is a perfect example of that scenario. We seem like gnats swarming around your head 6-9 times a year, and unfortunately briefly in October. Meanwhile, we have to endure the repeated failure whenever we face you while seeing our ballpark filled with a bunch of wanna-be chowds from Fullerton.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever
Sox fans had to deal with losing all the time to the MFY & some handled it better than others. If you stay a fan thru all the heartbreaks then you are a true fan.
I never understood why home fans blame fans of the opposing team for coming out t o support their team on the road..anyone can buy a ticket to any game…this is america after all ( & sometimes Canada).
Maybe I read your post wrong but the wanna-be thing made me think of " B is for bandwagon" and that burns me… not every red sox fan is a johnny come lately.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, certainly not every fan,
But the VAST majority of the ones that come to Angel Stadium don’t demonstrate the traits that I understand most real Sox fans have (see my post above about “your west coast fans”.)
I completely understand Sox fans coming out to support the team on the road, but almost to the person, the ones I meet or sit near are all obnoxious, loud mouth, know-it-all’s that in fact know very little.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I never understood why home fans blame fans of the opposing team for coming out to support their team on the road"
Red Sox fans at Angel Stadium are some of the drunkest, most vulgar “fans” I’ve ever seen. I have no problem with fans of opposing teams coming to the stadium.
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
but the types you both described would behave that way no matter what teams they support; can not paint all Sox fans with the same brush. And I do know what you mean, about bad fans but what can ya do?
If I had a nickel for every “diehard” Yankee fan I’ve met who can not name the MFY infield or the 2nd baseman before Cano…or who says ridiculously inane or venomous stuff bc of the rivalry…
that being said, a friend of mine once pointed out to me that just because she does not know names, positions, stats, standings like I , it does not mean she isnt a fan…she is as you described a casual fan which does not equal drunken, know nothing fool.
I have not made my way out to CA to see the Sox vs LAAAAAAAAAAA yet but I assure you, when I get there I wont be among the vulgar or the drunk.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your opinion is colored by the NYY BOS rivalry
Most teams don’t have that many of these types. At least 50% of Red Sox fans that come to our stadium behave that way.
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, my opinion is not colored by anything
I have met some jacked Pats fans, MFY fans, Lakers fans , Philly fans and have read those beauties over on HH..can say it about any team…there are just some idiots out there.
I am not a statistician but think your math is wrong…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
You’ve never been to a Red Sox at Angels game but you say I’m wrong about the composition of Red Sox fans at our stadium,
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what I am saying is...your math can not be right unless you
counted every fan, surveyed and observed every Sox/LAAAAAAAAAAAA game you have attended…I don’t need to attend a Sox/LAAAAAAAAAA game to know you can not be certain..don’t throw stats unless ya got support.
There is nothing static about who attends the games- not the same people all the time or the same composition so it is a ridiculous argument to make.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I didn’t do a breathalizer test of every Boston fan at those games. This is just based on my observation from the dozens of Boston at Angels games I have gone to over the years that I have been a season ticket holder. 50% was an estimate based on my years of observation, not a scientific statistic.
As far as different people attending every game – it doesn’t paint a very good picture of Sox fans when there are so many drunk, vulgar Aholes at every Sox game in Anaheim.
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yawn
monolithic, monosyllabic, seen one seem ‘em all….yet here you are seeing and reading posts that seemingly don’t come from drunk, vulgar a$$holes…hmmm..whatever, your mind is made up…if I were to generalize I would say about 60 % of LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fans are inflexible — not scientific but based on this and other SBN threads, but I am not a fan of numbers or generalizations so I won’t.
Until LAAAAAAAAA can get it together and beat the Sox when it counts, the LAAAAAA fans will continue to notice all the bad Sox stuff – fan base and all. Hey, Sox fans know what its like, but its all good now.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You win. You know everything about the fans at Angel Stadium.
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because you would have no reason to be biased, HungryHunter.
by Gnick on Apr 14, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bias?
You don’t see me saying anything about Athletics fans, Mariners fans, Braves fans, etc etc etc. You just see me commenting about Sox fans. What does me being an Angels fan have to do with my observation about the behavior of the fans of one certain team at our stadium.
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
The worst fans are Angels games are the Angels fans. Think back about a week.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever.
You’ve been ranting about how poorly behaved Sox fans are, it’s only fair to point out the big f’n elephant in the corner.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look out, dude
He’ll accidentally murder you…
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Apr 15, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
don’t you guys understand the irony-you have no fans. If you did, you will fill your stadium. It is pathetic. Even when the Sox suck Fenway is filled. You can call Boston fans whatever you want, at least they care, not like lame LA fans.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Doesn’t take but about 35k fans to fill your stadium. If the Angels had a park that small, we’d have a similar sell out streak.
Angels average home attendance was 41k plus last year.
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HungryHunter
Is just pissed because “Lets go Sox” chants overshadowed everything else being said in the wake of the brawl.
by Gnick on Apr 14, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They overshadowed the whole weekend of play to be honest.
by Charged on Apr 14, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well except for Dustin Mosely scattering 2 ER over 5 and 2/3
and Jared Weaver picking your lineup apart and taking 2 out of 3…. But who’s counting really?
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 15, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...?
Did the Sox chants stop? Nope.
by Charged on Apr 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, there's no doubt...
Southern California fans in general are pretty laid back. There are obviously exceptions, but for the most part, Angel/So Cal fans are relatively docile. We don’t get aggro with chants, and sing in unison or any of that stuff.
Despite that fact, it doesn’t make us any LESS serious about our team. We LOVE our team. People have a tendency to misinterpret that nature with a lack of “Passion.” It’s not, I assure you it’s not. I and many others CRIED last year when we lost to you. CRIED….
The Boston fans we get at the games here, regardless of their original point of origin, or length of time they’ve been fans, identify with the Fenway fan base/Boston people who are much more aggressive. It’s just the nature of people from the region.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 16, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Even when the Sox Suck Fenway is filled......"
Hahahahahahahahahaha, ok…. Sure thing Buzzy.
First of all, your ballpark is a Tourist Destination on top of a ball park, and holds something like 10,000 less fans (9k less on average). When people go to Boston, they go to Fenway, when people come to Orange County….
There’s a LOT of competition of things to do in So Cal, and still we out-draw the Red Sox
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see , you were cool until that
so Fenway is full of tourists and there isn’t anything else to do in the area, whatever.
The “outdraw” might be because LAAAAAAAAAAAAAA’s park is bigger, it isn’t because Fenway is not filled…I am certain the Sox set MLB consecutive sellout records.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mis-read me
I meant that Fenway is a tourist attraction, not that it’s filled with tourists.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I got it
& truthfully, I boycotted Fenway for a while because of some of the foolishness but realized, “eh, cant let bad experiences ruin my plan” and because I like to travel, I make the Sox a part of my vacation. I have visited places in the US, I probably would not have gone or returned to had it not been for baseball.
I love toronto so make it a point to schedule a trip when the Sox are there. I am sure it bugs home fans but I dont get carried away with my cheering.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had the chance to follow the Angels to a few ballparks
Hoping to see them at AT&T in San Francisco and in Phoenix this year for inter-league.
I dream of the day I get the chance to see the Angels play at the Fens and Yankee Stadium. Every time I’ve been to NY it’s been during the off-season.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also a Good Link
I don’t see anywhere here that indicates the Sellout records. Maybe I need to look harder
You guys can’t have it both ways, we don’t draw cause we have no fans, but we out draw you cause our stadium is bigger. WE average just less than 10K fans per game more than you. That’s about how much bigger our stadium is. If we had no fans, the difference wouldn’t roughly equal the difference in size of the stadium.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I hate numbers. I see them and lapse into a coma but try googling
" Boston Red Sox – Fenway Park sold out for 456th straight time …"
Look the outdraw doesnt mean all the people there are there to see LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you said it yourself….
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both retarded
there are at least as many Sox fans ans Angels fans in your stadium when the Sox play there, and your team is actually good. Imagine if they sucked. Do the math and don’t give me this crap about how much bigger your stadium is. Even during the playoffs I hear more sox fans than LAA fans.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you been to Angel Stadium for a Sox/Angels game?
Probably not.
Boston fans in Southern California get to see their team only 3-6 times a year, so they’re more boisterous. Angel fans ARE louder and we love to make money on desperate Sox fans wanting to see their team out here.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Apr 14, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have tried to be as diplomatic as possible about your Boston Home town fans
I have never been so I am not so bold to make generalizations about your local fan base, What do you know about Baseball fans in Southern California?
Lame LA fans, I wager a guess that you know nothing about LA fans.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know they
have rally monkies, can’t compete noise-wise with fans of a visiting team and have a stadium with fake rocks in the outfield. What more do I need to know, moron? Go back to your whine filled HH. It is not “diplomatic” to come to another team’s site and rant your BS.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rant?
I thought this was a place for discussion. I’ve been posting links, with data to prove my point, you have made the same old silly generalizations.
I hate the rally monkey, but the kids love it, and I love the kids. I’m sorry that our stadium wasn’t built in 1912, and we had to manufacture character, this isn’t a discussion about how cool my stadium is. But that hasn’t changed the fact that your favorite team’s satellite fanbase is without question, the WORST I have had the misfortune to come in contact with in my 20+ years of going to baseball games.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see
you come to this site for the first time to say how deporable you yhink Sox fans that go LAA games are. That’s cool.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Member since December 22, 2008
It’s easy, just click on my profile, and look. I don’t contribute often, but here I am…
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no fans?
Last I checked we’ve been a top 2 or 3 in attendance the last 6 seasons, and top 2 or 3 many times in the 80’s.
The reason Sox fans invade during Angels/Red Sox games in Anaheim is a large transplanted New England population in California (including my grandparents) and Angels season ticket holders willing to sell their seats to these home games for, in some cases, many times face value.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Apr 14, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And large
transplanted New England populations in Baltimore, Tampa..you are dumb. How can transplanted fans outweigh the home grown ones unless your homegrown fans don’t give a rats ass. Maybe the attendance is high because there are some many transplanted (add your favorite team here) fans.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Yes, the large transplanted New Englanders population in Baltimore, haha.
There are 20 million people in the LA area. Trust me, many people have New England roots.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Apr 14, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please.
You just proved my point. Must be 10 million transplanted NEers for the your plastic rock stadium to be half filled with Sox fans.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what your point is
You want to talk crap on stadiums?
You mean your cramped, dilapidated, latrine-smelling sardine can you call Fenway? I’ve been many times. Still don’t get how taking a piece of white bread for a bun and adding a hot dog makes a Fenway Frank so special…
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Apr 14, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rally Monkey. Fake Rocks. Disney.
“Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim.” You don’t even get it.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Buzzy
You forgot to mention the rats.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Apr 14, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thundersticks.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im sorry
are we still arguing about the fans? I think we all agree that fanship follows the popular team. It was the Yankees in the 90s the Red Sox in the 2000s. If the Angels had been able to win multiple World Series in the 2000s wed see the same thing happening for them. The Angels hats would have doubled while the Red Sox would still have been this team that can’t win a World Series.
I can’t believe we’re arguing about attendance and what happens in the damn bleachers then what happens on the actual field. can we please focus!
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, you are absolutely correct.
I get so angry when I see generalizations about the Fans and the team I love. It’s ok, got me thru the last hour of work and now time to go home.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its fine..
but im on the east coast…i can’t get those last 15 minutes back! arg…its all good tho…i’ll hit you up when i make my way out there for a game. i assure you i am the fan that sits there shaking his head at those fans while keeping stats.
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i need to go to a game soon :(
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have my seats listed on my SBN profile
I hide nowhere, and will welcome your refreshing presence.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
thats fucking insane. I just went to your page and realized that for some reason I had been to your page the other night cause I had read your profile before.
Blowing my mind man!
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
In all reality, I should at least take my seat numbers off. If for no other reason, to protect my girlfriend when she comes with me (most of the time).
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I apologize (seriously I do)
I said some stupid things and we just get worked up from time to time
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Apr 14, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
The hometown fans can go to the other 90+% of games where they don’t have to outbid loud, obnoxious, drunk Red Sox fans.
by HungryHunter on Apr 14, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hometown "fans" started going to games after 2002.
Trust me, I used to go to Angels games before 2002 and nobody gave a shit. Its ironic how they just started showing up after that year. Hmmmm
by Charged on Apr 14, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing about the attendance after 2002
is that the Angels have consistently drawn more fans than the Red Sox. Prior to 2002, the Red Sox and Angels were fairly close in attendance. For most of the 1980’s, the Angels were in the top 2 or 3 in AL attendance.
Of course attendance was down from about 1992 to 2001 during a period that the Angels never made the playoffs and generally didn’t have a very good team. Take a look at a similar time for the Red Sox from 1980 to 1985 when the Red Sox’ attendance was down. Nobody gave a shit about the Red Sox when they had a bad team just as no one gave a shit about the Angels when they had a bad team.
by HungryHunter on Apr 15, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction:
Nobody gave a shit about the Angels until they won a world championship
by Charged on Apr 16, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did. There are several others that did also.
Just not as many as there is not. Just like the Red Sox.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 16, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
**now**
Should have read
Just not as many as there is NOW. Damn typing and eating…
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 16, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last time the red sox "sucked" was 1997...
The total attendance at Fenway was 2,226,136 (baseballreference.com). Thats about 27,500 per game. Also take into account no show season ticket holders etc. So the stadium was not “full”.
I know this for a fact because my dad moved out to Boston that very year and I got to go to some games at Fenway for the first time in my life. That place felt about half empty every time I went. To say that “Even when the Sox suck Fenway is filled” is simply not true. Red Sox fans are not any better or worse than any other fan base. They are not special. When they lose, folks don’t show up. When they win, they come out in droves. This is the case with just about every fan base in all American sports (with some exceptions, Nebraska football, Notre Dame football, etc). It makes sense. Back in 1997 you guys had a lousy owner and there was even serious talk of tearing down Fenway. Why should people shell out hard earned money to go see a lousy team?
The same can be said about Angel fans, Celtics fans, Lakers fans, Patriots fans, and on and on. Right now the Sox are without doubt the best run team in baseball (maybe in all of american sports!) and will be very good for a very long time. As long as they are good, that sellout record will continue. Also ,as long as the Sox are good they will have bandwagon D-bags who have never even been to New England showing up to stadiums all over the country and irritating the home crowd (just like the Lakers). This is not anybody’s fault, it’s just the way it is.
P.S. Fenway is the most awesome stadium I have ever been to. I get chills every time I walk in.
by CerroGordo on Apr 14, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
the Sox finished 4th that year, and the stadium was, on statistical average, 82% filled. That was in the upper third in % of capacity that year. By contrast the reigning world champs had 2.6 million come to Yankee Stadium with its 55K capacity. Thus, the Sox in their losing nearly brought in as many fans that year as the 97 win Yankees did with a stadium that held 20 thousand more.
by Buzzy on Apr 14, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are almost all the LAAAAAA fans failing at reply buttons and grammar?
Does Rev have them on a strict regiment?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't quite understand them.
If this site had the type of fans of HalosHeaven, I would quit reading in a heartbeat. Thank god it’s not like that over here.
And the mouths on some of them….
Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
by mystman995 on Apr 14, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, I dont recall the last time I was referred to as an extinct Paleozoic marine arthropod. Now I’m sure that your “Bros” with the tilted hats, and the wallet chains wouldn’t take to kindly to calling out the 909/951 like that. So for what it’s worth, born in Fullerton, raised in YL, and live in Laguna, so you should lock it up big guy. I’d love for some holier than thou jack like yourself to get all bent. Thats why the East Coasters bag on other Angel “fans” so much….no passion! So take your seat cushion, and souvenier cup back to the Volvo, and cruise on back to wherever you transplanted from. Your stadium….PLEASE!
by Halo77 on Apr 14, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, hit the reply button
I have watched the fireworks at the Big A from my house since I was brought home. I can assure you that there is no lack of passion here.
Calling out the 909/951 because they are the usual perps… And you demonstrated the worst of all their traits.
I’d rather not fill OTM’s thread with our squabbles, but sadly you aren’t a member of HH, or you are, and have created a fake account so you can come over here and poorly represent the fanbase behind a faceless mask of a faceless mask.
P.S. Nice lag on looking up the Trilobite Wiki article….
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S. I do have a seat cusion
81 games in those seats will give you hemorrhoid
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we go back to bashing Angels vs. Sox fans?
I feel left out.
Seriously, I don’t think that Beckett had malicious intent with the pitch. That being said, he is a bit of a hot-head and if Abreu is going to get in his grill about anything (Beckett’s fault or not) Josh isn’t going to back down.
If we’re going to have a team Ace tool-off, I still think Lackey takes home the MVTool trophy.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Apr 14, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, Lackey
If only because he can’t close his mouth. Literally, have you ever seen a picture of the guy???
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 14, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to agree
But you perfectly detailed 909/951 people.
by Charged on Apr 14, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
this is quickly evolving into the worst thread ever. It’s an Angels fan arguing with an Angels troll….good lord
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Apr 14, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+9999
This is out of control.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
by sox-inda-south on Apr 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Load of Crap?
Boston fans failed to realize that in order to gain any respect among the rest of the sports world, they need to stop writing blatantly biased articles and being muleheadedly ignorant of when their players do wrong. It is important for them to understand that while they might not care that the rest of the country looks upon them with sneering disdain, they should care that their opinions are also dismissed as incoherent ramblings and infantile rants. This article is a good example, does the author truly think that because a ref called timeout late, that Beckett just “lost” control and accidentally threw it at Abreu’s head then walked towards the plate talking a load of sh!t all the while? I think Beckett is a great pitcher, however, he really was being an assho that day and he should get fined, suspended, and kicked in the nuts for good measure.
by palimbasha on Apr 14, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sorry...
Over the Monster has reached its yearly quota on immigrating Trolls. Please Try again next year.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
by sox-inda-south on Apr 14, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
i wish there was this much life over on Pinstripe Alley lol you people defend yourselves and your teams great .. MOST make great points .. but the trolls would annoy me too if they came over onto my favorite teams site and wouldn’t shutup
by I Bleed Pinstripes on Apr 14, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI
I really get a kick out of many at Pinstripe Alley & read it daily—several times a day. The “sky is falling posters” are a riot but its a nice balance & the new mods have great control over there.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't checked it out since last season.
Maybe I should to get away from this stuff. Randy, Allen, etc: Can we shut down the comments on this post?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why lock a thread?
it isnt offensive…its just ongoing…not unlike that Pedro love thread from the offseason. It will die down like any other thread…especially once game time hits.
Check out PA, I just wish there were more posts in today’s game thread for insight , it is a great game ( not great in a GREAT way bc MFY are winning but great in a diff way)
.
gonna hit the books for a bit and get ready for the game
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Apr 14, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good plan.
Not completely shut down, maybe just give all Angels fan a five minute ban with an appropriate message.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 14, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
you think this angels vs angels fight was bad all i did was call a kid “immature” on DRaysBay cause he wrote "F**k you no hitter, F**k this, F**k the lead .. and i just got ripped apart you wanna see fans that came out the woodwork how many did that site have before this year?
by I Bleed Pinstripes on Apr 14, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Observations
So, here’s what I am getting just from observing this topic. Angels fans who think they’re classy, raid another teams boards, calling them classless drunks. Anyone else see the irony?
by Charger567 on Apr 14, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To our regulars.
Don’t feed the trolls, don’t engage them. They will go away if they’re ignored.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Apr 14, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're trying. It's hard to ignore them.
They are just so damn tempting – like a pinata.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 15, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But bs.
These pinatas are full of S., not candy.
You wouldn’t keep hitting a real-life pinata that would dump out horse S. would you?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Apr 15, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a really long bat.
I don’t discriminate about which pinatas I swing at. I’m banned from several party supply stores and birthday party hotspots.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 15, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something that I do at HH that usually works:
If there’s a thread that contains a conversation that you just don’t care about, then don’t read it.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we do care.
Just not for the bickering.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 15, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want people boycotting threads just because some idiots ruin it for everyone. Trolls will be banned and their comments will be deleted (at least when I’m on watch). And as I found out yesterday, when you delete a comment, all the nested ones are deleted also. Which is yet another reason that it makes no sense to spend time and thought arguing with a troll.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Apr 15, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To further what ecoli said:
And maybe this needs a FP post or a diary at some point, but there are certainly some vague standards of behavior and language here; probably don’t want to set anything in stone, but the mods know it when we see it, and it’s not just been HH’ers who’ve stooped to a low level of intellect w/r/t this incident.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Apr 16, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to make one broad sweeping statement it would be this:
“If Allen didn’t do it, it’s up for debate as to its appropriateness.”
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Apr 16, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, introduce some house rules.
Never mind trollery and swearing, I’ve lost count of the unchallenged and unmoderated homophobic comments in the past few months. It’s among the reasons I don’t post here as much as I used to. (Obviously, the main reason is that I can’t be seen to support a team that’s below .500. If we make the post season, I’ll make more of an effort.)
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Apr 16, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for my opinion.
I’ll try to keep my posts Sox-related. Also, take losing like a man.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 16, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Directed at me?
Making homophobic comments isn’t an “opinion”. It’s bigotry, plain and simple. Don’t attempt a rejoinder: I’m not going to debate it with you.
And of course my comment within parentheses wasn’t serious.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Apr 16, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
Whatever, don’t care.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 16, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Brit.
There’s no debating the merits of homophobic comments. They are juvenile and say much more about the speaker than the intended target.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Apr 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you not get the "don't care" part?
I just have fundamental differences with homosexuality, that’s all. Now, can we please DROP IT.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 16, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it changes anything for you bs.
I’m also with brit. Homophobic comments aren’t debatable just like racial slurs aren’t debatable. Let’s file it all under “hate language” and say f. off to all of those words/phrases.
It’s impolite, inconsiderate, hateful, and honestly (though least importantly) not creative. If you personally have an issue with homosexual people due to your own (religious or otherwise) beliefs, I don’t really care. There shouldn’t be any reason for any of that to come up here in any format.
And I know you want it dropped; so do I. The way to “drop” this discussion is to end any reason for it to come up in the first place.
And I’ll absolutely take a measure of responsibility for it to have gone this far, when brit, one of our most even-keeled and longest-tenured posters feels like he has to say something about it.
If anyone wants to contact me further about this, my e-mail is quite public (bottom of the homepage). For now, let’s everyone be a little more careful with our language and how we express ourselves here.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Apr 17, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stop, sorry if I was unclear about it.
I thought brit was angered by the dislike of homosexuals, not by the use of slurs as insults to posters. My bad.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 17, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine that probably bothers him too.
But your feelings/thoughts on that are your own. I don’t agree with them, and I’m sure brit doesn’t either. The language is never really called for, was my main point. Brit can come back and clarify if I’ve misspoken (for him?)
Or, in a hypothetical situation, why should your true thoughts on homosexuals and gay marriage ever come up on this blog? Exactly. It’s a Red Sox site, and maybe more loosely a sports site, and that’s what we should be talking about. And as I’ve already said, the “hate language” is never appropriate here.
And bs, I suppose I’m not picking on you personally. You’re not the only one who’s done this kind of thing in the past several months.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Apr 18, 2009 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I'm stopping.
Keep it to myself, got it.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Apr 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you see something on OTM and object to it
shoot me an email (see my profile) and I’ll remove it. Or flag it so Randy / Allen can do something about it.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Apr 18, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a code of conduct on HH....
It’s posted on our home page and is referenced regularly. There are several who question the Rev’s tactics, but he does a good job of policing the foul mouths. Check the code of conduct on the home page. Obviously it’s impossible to police everything, there is at least a precident for removal.
I didn’t see anything similar here but I didn’t look SUPER hard. I apologise for the bickering with Halo77 here. I just hate seeing that kind of representation.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Apr 16, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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