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Campaign for J.D. Drew for Leadoff Hitter pronounced dead.

Or: "Tidbits from Extra Bases the past couple days"

Caught this "courtesy" of Tony Mazz

Terry Francona remains reluctant to announce his intentions for the batting order, but the manager indicated this morning that J.D. Drew will likely be his No. 5 hitter to start the season.

Tito apparently went on into a long-winded diatribe about how OBP is overrated and that he just might call the Dodgers about acquiring Juan Pierre himself. Or I'm a little upset and made that up.

Yeah, lineup construction isn't THAT important in the long run, and Ells' long-term place is atop the lineup if anywhere, especially after it was decided that Youks was never going back there again. However, I really wouldn't have minded him earning the spot for a month or so, and Drewlicious is as good a potential leadoff hitter on this team as anyone. Tito also apparently intends to speak with both Jason Bay and Mike Lowell about who will hit in the 6th slot in the order. Ludicrous, as again, the importance is minimal, but Bay is in his prime and Lowell is still good, but a bottom third hitter in this lineup. But that's small potatoes.

What it indicates, however, is continued preferential treatment for veterans and people who have been with the club longer. Which is exactly why 'Tek will probably not be banished to the 9 spot in an effort to give Lowrie slightly more PAs and more RBI opportunities. So, assuming health and that the Sox don't face a particularly tough LHP on opening day (could be, it will be vs. the Rays), the lineup probably will shake out thusly:

Ells, DP, Papi, Youks, Drewlicious, Bay, Lowell, '[Empty], Lowrie

I'm not against that lineup, but my brain just keeps trying to tell me that Ellsbury isn't quite ready for prime time in the leadoff spot yet. I'm prepared to take some of the blame for all of this, as I rarely posted anything (at all here, actually) on this topic recently.

Here's another.

Tony Mazz, again:

"Seventy-five pitches through five innings is ideally what we were hoping to get through today," said pitching coach John Farrell after the Sox' 4-3 loss in 10 innings to the Atlanta Braves.

And so they did. Matsuzaka allowed two runs (one earned) on three walks and just one hit while striking out two.

"I surprised myself," Matsuzaka said with a mischievous grin, suggesting he is growing tired of the constant questions about his pitch efficiency.

One of the things that I think most often causes our very stat-friendly GM to bang his head on a no-doubt very nice desk at Fenway Park is Daisuke's continuing issues with efficiency. I've been outspoken in the past about how I'd like to see him get his walk rate down, and hopefully he's getting a little more into the whole 'pitch to contact' thing. It's not that it isn't exciting to watch him get out of 3 on, none or one out jams of his own making; it's that I'd be a lot more excited if those jams were a lot less frequent, cause Houdini himself would have a hard time getting out of so many self-made traps.

That's all from me for today. Go Sox. Don't trade MDC for Montero.

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Injured Lowrie gets to bat ahead of the OBH

But healthy Lowrie bats at the bottom of the order? WTF?

Frankly, at this point, I’d bat Lowrie ahead of Lowell and the OBH, or put Ellsbury at #9 and Pedroia at leadoff, rather than the presumed lineup above.

by lone1c on Mar 31, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Lowell ahead of Lowrie because of Lowell's SLG

Even in an injured year in 2008, Lowell slugged .461. Lowrie had a career .446 SLG in the minors. While Lowrie may improve on that as he gets older, Lowell is a better bet for an extra-base hit right now. If Lowrie improves (and I expect him to) and Lowell struggles, Tito can tinker with the line-up. Nothing’s set in stone. It’s still March.

I like Ellbury at #9, at least until he shows a better ability to steal first base. If Jacoby can’t get on-base at a .350 clip or better, he’s pretty useless as a lead-off hitter. I don’t care about his SLG, as walks and singles can easily turn to “doubles” with him. Ellsbury has to stop swinging for the fences and concentrate on simply getting on base.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 31, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

True about Ellsbury

There aren’t that many other players in the game for whom “on base” translates into “in scoring position.” If bunting at every pitch could guarantee him a .385 OBP, I would be perfectly happy to never see Ellsbury swing the bat again.

The reason why I think Lowrie should bat ahead of Lowell is speed, not slugging. Lowrie can get into scoring position more easily for Lowell than vice versa.

by lone1c on Mar 31, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather Bay before Drew

For the many reasons we’ve discussed previously. Bay is arguably the best hitter on the team. I’m not sure I’d argue on Bay’s side, but the fact that it’s worth discussing is reason alone that he shouldn’t bat 6th.

Things I liked in this article:
’[Empty]
Houdini comment.

Things I didn’t like in this article:
Any mention of Juan Pierre in a Sox uni, even jokingly.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Mar 31, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

RE: Lowrie, Dice-K

Lowrie is faster than Tek, so it makes sense to bat him in front of Ellsbury.

Dice-K has consistently proven he is a much better pitcher with Japan/International strikes zones. Once the zone is tightened to MLB standards, he can’t hold the corners of the strike zone with his offspeed pitches.

by Hardscores on Mar 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry AC

But please God, trade for Montero and make Tek be the bullpen coach or stuff.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

A new SAT

analogy question:
MGBB is to Tek as NG is to:
a)Lester c)Kotsay
b)Lugo d)Wakefield

[Correct answer:(d)]

by Buzzy on Mar 31, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Corpse is awful

Kottaras has also a big chance to be pretty bad. Our catcher situation is simply not good, and we’re kidding ourselves with that whole “waiting for Mauer” shit. So Montero is not all that wonderful, but he could be more valuable to us than MDC is at this point, because our pen is somewhat deep.

I really like MDC, he’s a good pitcher and his curve is a very sexy pitch. That said, he’s as close as a good player can get to be expendable in this team.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

about our catching situation, but I think we are sort of locked in to the shit, and don’t really see Montero as the solution.

by Buzzy on Mar 31, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montero isn't the solution

But he would be an upgrade. Don’t get me wrong, we don’t need to trade for a catcher. But if such a deal was in the table I’d do it.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice one, Buzzy

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 31, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

I’m pretty sure NG hates Kotsay and Lugo also. A better question would be “which of the following DOES NOT complete the analogy”…

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

and he may hate Tek the most.

by Buzzy on Mar 31, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, I coulda sworn I heard that the analogies were gone from the SAT.

IIRC, which I’m pretty sure I do – I was mad b/c I’m really good at them.

by bdalebs on Mar 31, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today's lineup

Which included the entire Opening Day lineup for the first time, had the OBH batting ninth, so at least one thing is sort-of-right.

by lone1c on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The campaign shall never die!!!

We need t-shirts! Buttons! A scandal! Anything to get J.D. into the leadoff spot!!!

by bdalebs on Mar 31, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

"Ellsbury is slow" propaganda?

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Apr 1, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ellsbury only travels at Mach 0.015!

He’s 50 million times slower than light!
A cheetah would devour him in a footrace!
He can’t even outrun a stock car!

by lone1c on Apr 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!!!

Or a shirt that says JD’s career OBP.

by bdalebs on Apr 1, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's so slow, this deer lapped him around the bases.

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"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Apr 2, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure that's such a great example

That would mean Ellsbury is slower than some deer, but faster than others?

But definitely an A for effort!

by lone1c on Apr 2, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's the same deer.

It wanted revenge. Worked out a little bit. Cut down on its saturated fats.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Apr 2, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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