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Brad Wilkerson out as a Sox? Bailey, Carter are left

According to Extra Bases, it looks like outfielder/first baseman Brad Wilkerson will not be making the Sox's Opening Day roster:

The Red Sox have not made a formal announcement yet, but Red Sox manager Terry Francona acknowledged this morning that Brad Wilkerson has at least temporarily left the club to assess his options, suggesting that he will not [be] part of the Red Sox' plans when the club breaks camp.

That leaves two men for what seems to be the one remaining spot on the positional roster: Jeff Bailey and Chris Carter.

This will make both Bailey and Carter quite happy. Bailey and Carter have both been mashing the ball this spring trying to earn the last spot on the bench vacated by an injured Mark Kotsay.

So who gets it? Since it's not going to be an issue of who's hitting well this spring (both are hitting over .350 into this game, but Carter does have five home runs compared to Bailey's one) it might come down to the roster spot. Carter, but not Bailey, is on the 40-man roster. Carter does only have one option remaining, though, which could be sticky make a situation sticky later in the season.

Opening a spot on the 40-man roster wouldn't be that difficult for Terry Francona. Miguel Gonzalez, a rule-V draft pick, will probably be an odd man out anyway come April 6. Also players like Jonathan Van Every or Devern Hansack could lose their spot.

So here's the poll, America: who should win the backup job come Opening Day -- Chris Carter or Jeff Bailey?

Poll
Who should make the team?
Chris Carter
599 votes
Jeff Bailey
118 votes

717 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm the only one who has voted for Bailey so far

Defense, Defense, Defense!

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by sox-inda-south on Mar 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You make it seem like Bailey was great with the glove

He’s better than Carter, but not all that much.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I know

But still…

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by sox-inda-south on Mar 29, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Injuries versus hypochondriacs

Reading about the Kotsay issue brings up a rant I wish to make. There are legitimate injuries that most clubs will sustain over a long season, but there are also “hypochondriacs” who are too afraid of risk to be good players. When we saw injuries to Big Papi and Lowell, we knew they were real injuries, and could see these guys struggling to play even with the injuries. Then there are the JD Drews and others who ALWAYS seem to find problems to keep them out too much IMO. The sox would be better equipped without such liabilities, but unfortunately, they seem to have attracted a record amount of these either “hypochondriacs” or uncommitted players, again IMO. I believe this load of poorly committed “professionals” along with the real chance injuries that are bound to happen, will cause this season to be problematic.

by NG on Mar 29, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To help people out

Scouting Reports from SoxProspects:

Carter


 Extremely intelligent, Carter is a real student of hitting, and has demonstrated success with the bat at every level. Excellent power with the potential for more. Hits for average and consistently gets on base at a very good clip. Hits lefties and righties well. Below average speed. In the field, Carter has spent much of his career at 1B but was essentially converted to a full time leftfielder in 2008. He has always been known as a poor fielder. He has focused on his glove and footwork and has improved slightly, but still not enough. His arm is likely not going to be strong enough to play right.

Bailey

Bailey mainly plays 1B and corner outfield these days after previously spending a lot of time as a catcher. He is adequate defensively, with below average range, a decent glove, and a good arm. With the bat, he has outstanding power and strength. Good contact and plate patience. Slow on the basepaths, but runs intelligently – about what you’d expect from a converted catcher. Strikes out a little too much, but that has improved over the years. Has potential to be a versatile backup and off-the-bench bat at the major league level. Probably could start for a lot of small market teams. Bailey has been a team leader and model teammate with the Red Sox organization for five seasons.

Career stats from Baseball Cube
Carter:
Minors .308 / .384 / .519 .903 OPS (2351 At-bats)
Majors .333 / .400 / .333 .733 (18 AB)

Bailey
Minors .266 / .369 / .456 .825 OPS (3832 At-bats)
Majors .254 / .353 / .458 .811 OPS (59 AB)
[Note the very small # of major league AB for both.]

Finally, AGE:
Carter = 25
Bailey = 29

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Mar 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CHRIS CARTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET ON THE BANDWAGON

by matzushocka45 on Mar 29, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He homered again today

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 29, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is going to suprise some people.

by matzushocka45 on Mar 29, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is like déjà vu all over again

Hmmm. . . . I can’t figure out where I’ve seen this before. . . .

Anyway, I think this battle comes down to who fills the role better. If they are auditioning for a DH/PH/5th outfielder, then I think Carter gets the nod. If they are looking for a reserve 1B, then Bailey probably gets it.

On the other hand, if they’re just trying to figure out who will help the team more, then Carter probably gets it by a hair.

by lone1c on Mar 29, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, regarding Carter's options

Wouldn’t that affect him next year, when he’d be out of options, rather than this season? You can be called up or down as many times as you’d like within a season, and only one option is used.

by lone1c on Mar 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct about options.

I was going to say the same thing.

by BTLove on Mar 29, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Carter is a baller.

Chris Carter just rakes. I think he gets the nod out of Spring Training. The Sox need to figure out if he’ll ever be more than a Jeff Bailey. Carter’s potential is greater and having him get some MLB at bats can only increase his trade value to other teams in my opinion. As long as he rakes of course, which he probably will because that is just what he does.

Also of note, Bailey is 30 (not 29) and Carter is 26 (not 25).

by BSturgeon on Mar 29, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Defense in this situation is completely overrated, it’s not like the guy is going to get enough playing time to cost us wins. Stop overthinking and just give the spot to the better player, and that is Carter.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 29, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Au contraire

Given the limited playing time either Carter or Bailey will get, and given the potential need for days off for Drew, Youk, and Lowell, defensive versatility is a huge value, probably worth more than the 50-odd points of OPS that Carter would bring to the table.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Mar 29, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

You give that playing time to the guy who has the bigger upside, and that’s Carter. It’s not like Bailey is a defense wizard, so it’s really not that relevant here.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 29, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

I’m gonna side with MGBB on this one.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 29, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Not to mention as a bench player he will have time to work on his defense. At those positions it is mostly learning about how to play the positions then the skills involved.

by drabidea on Mar 29, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not like Carter is Youk.

Or Lars.

To the extent he’s a prospect, it’s not like he’s going to get a chance to shine sitting on the bench six days a week. I’d keep him in Pawtucket, let him get lots of at bats and work on his D, and if someone goes down, we might have a nice temporary option.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Mar 29, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What? Why?

Carter is not quite a prospect and it won’t do him much good to stay at AAA. Point is, he needs MLB AB’s, even if it isn’t many of them. He’s also better than Bailey.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 30, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've convinced me

I’m switching my vote to Carter.

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by sox-inda-south on Mar 29, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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