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Everybody hates Brad Penny. Do you?

Boston Red Sox starter Brad Penny, left, flips the ball towards the mound after making the force at first on a ground out by Minnesota Twins' Brian Buscher in the first inning of their spring training baseball practice game in Fort Myers, Fla.,  Saturday March 28, 2009.(AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

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10 months ago: Boston Red Sox starter Brad Penny, left, flips the ball towards the mound after making the force at first on a ground out by Minnesota Twins' Brian Buscher in the first inning of their spring training baseball practice game in Fort Myers, Fla., Saturday March 28, 2009.(AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

What is it with players from the Dodgers? It seems like whenever the Sox sign a guy that is formerly of the LA and National variety, they get a bad rap. It started with J.D. Drew and now the torch has been passed to the Sox's No. 4 starter, Brad Penny.

Former Phillies manager Larry Bowa really hated Penny. His recent words about the fireballer were made infamous:

"You mean the same guy who was never on time, out of shape and has one complete game? He has more stuff to worry about in the A.L. East than me. He has to worry about getting people out. He was never on time, was out of shape and never helped the kids out. Put that on the (expletive) dot-com. Put it in the headline.''

...

"He never watched the game (when he was on the DL). Jason Schmidt watched the games. Nomar Garciaparra watched the games. Mark Sweeney watched the games. You go right down the line, everybody who was on the DL watched the games. But not him. He was out of there.''

The Globe's Chad Finn isn't exactly on the same page as Bowa, but also isn't a fan. He predicts John Smoltz will win twice as many games as Penny this year:

I know, not exactly going out on a limb here, given that Penny showed up at camp looking as though he’d swallowed Larry Bowa whole and has already had his first spring start pushed back because of "weakness" in his right shoulder. That’s the same shoulder that bothered him last season when he put up a 6.27 ERA in the feeble-hitting National League West. Maybe he’ll surprise us, but right now he looks like a prime candidate to be the one among the Red Sox’ low-risk, high-reward pitching acquisitions who doesn’t pan out.

What else? Insert you fat and lazy jokes here. But you might want to save your breath because we've heard all of them already.

I want to know where the hate is coming from. Bowa's beef is something different because he's obviously dealt with him a lot longer than any one person in Red Sox Nation has. But when I see it from people in Red Sox Nation that know virtually nothing about the guy other than he's a -- we'll say "sturdy" -- dude, then I just need to know what's behind it.

Let's just look at what he's done since he started wearing a Red Sox uniform. He's been battling arm problems so he's only made two starts. His first start was successful (3 IP, 3 SO, 0 R) while today's start against the Twins is still ongoing (3 IP, 2 R so far -- in the 4th). Other than those numbers and the fact he might not be our No. 5 starter when the season starts, what do we know from our experiences? Nothing! It's not like the guy has come in and been lazy and been a jerk to teammates. All reports have been that he's been working hard and doing what he needs to do.

I know not everyone rides in this boat, but I'm the kind of person that will judge a baseball player on what he does with a new team. I don't care what happened with his old team. If he comes to the Red Sox and shows he's going to work hard and does, then that's what I want to see. Anyone know the name Randy Moss? Of course he's a football player, but what was the knock on him? What wasn't the knock on him before he came to the Pats? That's a better question. And just look what he did for the Patriots the last two seasons. (Your counter-argument can be the fact Terry Francona is NOT Bill Belichick, but hey, he's not too shabby either.)

This is what I want out of Brad Penny and it's simple. It's only a two-step process: pitch well and don't be a jerk (Wait. Guy in LA now that used to be a Sox and the word "jerk" floats around him ... who am I thinking of? I'm blanking). It's really not a hard concept. You'll see a lot of it out of guys like Smoltz this season (who, by the way, is a first-ballot Hall of Famer, so I guess that strategy works).

So before Penny even gets on the mound at Fenway, don't you think we give this guy a shot before we attack him for his beer belly? I'm going to give him and his 95 m.p.h. heater a chance, I know that. Horror stories or not, he could be the best No. 5 pitcher in baseball this year.

Poll
Do you hate Brad Penny?
Yup!
34 votes
Nope!
256 votes
Hate is such a strong word. I prefer "meh."
85 votes
I plead the fifth (until more information -- like the ability to pitch -- is concluded)
331 votes

706 votes | Poll has closed

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Can he play catcher?

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IMPORTANT LEGAL NOTE

The 5th Amendment does not provide a blanket protection from giving testimony. Rather it protects against self-incrimination, i.e. testifying against yourself. So if Brad Penny is on trial, you can’t ‘plead the 5th’ if your testimony is relevant. If you refused to testify, the court can hold you in contempt and put you in jail.

The 5th Amendment also provides for the need for grand juries to convene before capital trials are brought; the protection against double jeopardy prosecution (trying twice for the same crime); and the right to compensation for government seizure of property (i.e. eminent domain). It further states that the government cannot deprive individuals of life, liberty or property without due process of the law.
Text.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Mar 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can incriminate yourself of being a “jump the bandwagon” Red Sox fan for hating the guy for no reason…

by Randy Booth on Mar 28, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And before someone else points it out:

I chose the “I plead the fifth (until more information — like the ability to pitch — is concluded)” option because of the implied meaning – that I prefer not to answer yet.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penny is low-risk, high reward

I love the move Theo made to sign him for the year. Worst case scenario, he’s an injury prone fifth starter and we have plenty of guys who can step up and take his place. Best case scenario, he’s the third best starting pitcher on the team.

Now, if he was supposed to do for us what C.C. Sabathia is supposed to do for the MFY, then I might hate him. But as a fifth starter with plenty of replacements if he isn’t any good? I have no problem with the guy.

by RSNexile on Mar 28, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

Plus 2

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by sox-inda-south on Mar 28, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JD Drew , Lugo , and Brad Penny

are not equal.

Most intelligent Dodger fans liked what Drew brought to the table and were upset when he opted out. His vanilla demeanor is hard to root for but he gets the job done. The only part we didn’t like was him telling us 30 days prior to opting out was that he didn’t plan on exercising his opt and liked playing in LA. The downside of him opting out was Ned signing Juan Pierre which has been our albatross but it wasn’t Drew’s fault that Ned felt Juan Pierre was worth a five year contract.

Julio Lugo just didn’t perform for the brief time we had him. We traded some promising prospects for him which have not panned out, and he was terrible, so many Dodger fans just know him as the lousy Tampy Bay infielder that Ned traded for, not as the solid Tampa Bay infielder who completely sucked as a Dodger.

Brad Penny on the other hand is a back street whiner who went home instead of staying in the dugout to support his team in October. I don’t hate Penny and I doubt any Dodger fan hates Penny. He’s just not worth the emotion but I don’t think anyone really misses him because we expect Wolf or McDonald to be able to pitch as well as he can at this point in his career. I thought we made a mistake in not exercising his option at the time but considering how salaries went south I was wrong. His ERA when he was pitching well looked all-star worthy but it was strictly because of home run suppression. Once that normalized he becomes just another pitcher. He gave one great 1st half and a terrible 2nd half. One good first half and an okay 2nd half, and then one complete awful year. I’ll be shocked if he has success in Boston. I think what you will see is Brad watching home runs, taking his cap off, and running his hand through his hair because no one likes his own hair more then Brad Penny. The AL East is going to kill him. With Masterson, Buchholz and Smotlz possibly ready this summer I’m a little surprised Boston even signed him. As a Dodger if we had signed a free agent like Penny and had him get in the way of Masterson or Buchholz I’d dislike him just because of that. We were irked at the NRI’s they brought in but James McDonald seems to have held them off and he doesn’t have nearly the talent of Buchholz. JMO

Looks like your old friend Eye Chart is going to make our team.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Mar 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good to know

I mentioned some of these things on another thread; Penny has (had) talent, but his pitching numbers are nothing special, and he has basically fared poorly in the playoffs and against the AL. He has pitched to FIPs of 4 and whips of 1.3-1.4 his entire career and has pitched in 2 pitcher-friendly or at least neutral parks. Optimally he is a pretty good pitcher, but I don’t know if he is physically close to peak. I think the signing was reasonably low risk, he is not expected to do much. The signings of Penny and Smoltz were to overload with pitching depth, since even last year, when the Sox thought they had more than enough starters, the didn’t (with Clay’s problems and Colon’s health). As for Masterson, I am fine with him in the bullpen, and I am fine with Clay working a bit more in AAA, so overall, I still am happy with the scrap projects.

by Buzzy on Mar 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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FIF!!

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Mar 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Is that Dave Chappelle? Love that show.

by Schulz on Mar 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only dislike him because he's a former Dodger

That’s basically it. /Giants fan

Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
"He [Sandoval] is a big, puffy crouton in our wilted salad of a lineup. Do No matter how bad a movie is a eight game sweep is wacky in baseball, so a one run loss in the series is not the end of the world. disparage the comedian." -sfgiantstoday

by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeez, Penny, why haven’t you won any regular season games for us yet?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Mar 29, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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