Jonathan Papelbon calls Manny Ramirez a "cancer"
[Note by Randy Booth, 03/12/09 12:12 PM EDT ] This is a promoted FanPost, but I'd figure I'd give my two cents. Usually I don't like it when guys on the team just kind of spit stuff out like this, but it's Papelbon. He doesn't hold back his fastball, so why should he hold back feelings about an ex-teammate? It's obviously not the smartest thing to do, but he was being honest and he's not going to sugar coat anything. Plus, we all knew it anyway...
"It just takes one guy to bring an entire team down, and that's exactly what was happening," Papelbon reportedly told the magazine. "Once we saw that, we weren't afraid to get rid of him. It's like cancer. That's what he was. Cancer. He had to go. It [stunk], but that was the only scenario that was going to work. That was it for us."
"He was on a different train!" Papelbon reportedly said of Ramirez in Esquire. "And you saw what happened with that. We got rid of him, and we moved on without him. That comes from the manager, and it comes from guys like Jason Varitek and Tim Wakefield and David Ortiz. Nobody is ever going to be allowed to do that."
"So Manny was tough for us," Papelbon reportedly added. "You have somebody like him, you know at any point in the ball game, he can dictate the outcome of the game. And for him not to be on the same page as the rest of the team was a killer, man!"
"And after, you could feel it in the air in the clubhouse, We got Jason Bay -- Johnny Ballgame, plays the game right, plays through broken knees, runs out every ground ball -- and it was like a breath of fresh air, man! Awesome! No question."
Update, Papelbon was asked about the comments he made to Esquire.
FORT MYERS, Fla. - "I'm not going to sugarcoat anything, It takes 25 guys on a team to win, not 24, and that was blatantly obvious, It doesn't matter who you are - you could be Babe Ruth - if you're not in that same cubbyhole with the rest of the guys going to war with you, you're all going to die. That almost happened."
"It was bad enough to where we weren't winning games [with Ramírez]," Papelbon said, emphasizing he was not speaking for his teammates. "We weren't doing our job. When it comes down to that, we've got to find a cure. Jason Bay was our cure. It's that simple. We've got a team with one guy, we're not winning games. He leaves, a new guy comes in, and then we start winning games. That's pretty much putting the writing on the wall, if you ask me."
Yesterday Papelbon said it was not frustrating to see Ramírez succeed with the Dodgers. Fact was, Papelbon was excited when the trade came through.
"I was excited because I knew he didn't want to be there," Papelbon said. "I wasn't excited that he was leaving because I know how good of a player he can be when he wants to be a good player. If you don't want to be a good player, you're not going to be good. If you want to sit out games against certain pitchers or you want to sit out because you don't feel like [it] for whatever reason, I mean, you've got guys like [Dustin] Pedroia that are playing with a broken wrist and guys like Mikey [Lowell] that are trying to make it through hips that need surgery. You've got [Josh] Beckett with a bad back, everybody in the bullpen that's picking up extra innings that's breaking down. All kind of extra stuff that we're pushing through.
"When 25 or so guys are pushing through and one guy is not, that creates a problem. A problem was created and we weren't winning games, so we had to do something. It is what it is. Yeah, we lost a great player, but we started winning games. So what's more important?"
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That dugout fight with Youk really says it all!
Imagine, Manny, who would not run down to first or try hard when he just felt lazy, had the gall to get angry at Youk when Youk was angry at himself for not performing well. Manny’s talent could use some of Youks motivation!
by NG on Mar 12, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For me it was throwing an old guy to the ground
A number of Sox said that they were tired of Youk’s bitching about balls & strikes after a PA. I’m not arguing that it’s Youk’s fault, but stuff like that can happen and you move on. There was absolutely no excuse for Manny getting physical with a corporate employee.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Mar 12, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody hack NG's computer and set a macro on his keyboard.
Make it so that every exclamation mark becomes a smiley.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 12, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to quote from an article
please do us the courtesy of providing the link in your Fanpost, so we know you’re not just making it up. For concerned readers, I found the story on MLB.com, here.
As for the content, I really don’t care what Papelbon thinks of Manny. He’s on a different team now, and most of us have moved on. Unless Papelbon has some new anecdotes to recount, I doubt this April article will have much journalistic merit. Maybe that’s why it’s appearing in that pinnacle of public opinion, Esquire Magazine.
Still, if that’s all it takes to get on MLB.com’s radar, then maybe I should get in on the act.
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"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Mar 12, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was sure it was 5 Pulitzers.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Mar 14, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sold two of them
to bribe you and Randy to get me on OTM, remember?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Mar 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that never got to me.
Was it in a CASH4GOLD envelope?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Mar 15, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way. I'd never trust them!
I sent it in a certified envelope from Bear Stearns, backed by a guarantee from Fannie Mae, and the transaction was insured by AIG. What could go wrong?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Mar 15, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Citi stock?
Randy and Allen got robbed.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 16, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papelbon has a case of foot-in-mouth disease
Sometimes he needs to learn to keep his yap shut. He’s either talking himself up or putting other guys down.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Mar 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with Randy
I agree with you on this one Randy. Paps has always beent he type to saw what he is thinking. Most likely someone from Esquire asked him about Manny and his feelings on the whole situation. He was probably answering honestly about the situation which is his style.
That being said it is not very smart or appropriate to bash a teammate/ex-teammate for obvious reasons. It will get twisted by the media and it might wreck a relationship with a current teammate.
This being the first time that I can think of with Paps bashing a teammate or ex-teammate I will give him a pass. I feel pretty positive that the players he mentioned (Tek, Wake, and Papi) will have a word with him to let him know he is walking a thin line.
by drabidea on Mar 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Manny than Corpse
Cancer or not.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 12, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how Jon Lester feels about Flappingums using cancer as an analogy to describe a former teammate.
Papelbon could have said: “Major pain in the ass” or something to that effect. Using the word cancer is just downright stupid.
" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 12, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Except the phrase is "clubhouse cancer"
Lowell, Lester (and Rizzo right now) might have issues with it, but that’s what a**holes in the locker room are called.
by lone1c on Mar 12, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares
I don’t think Manny will affect the clubhouse this year. Nor will his bat help the line-up. Time to move on. As for Paps, I’ll withhold my comments about him until I see what he does and how he acts during his “walk” year.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Mar 12, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny's not a Cancer.
He’s a Gemini (d.o.b. May 30).
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Mar 12, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Ha.
I forgot he has the same bday as my mom – and Gale Sayers. Rec’d.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 12, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same as my grandmother, too.
Really. Also rec’d.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Mar 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Priceless
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 12, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papelbon might become the
Next outspoken Redsox, filling the void curt schilling left behind.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
by sox-inda-south on Mar 12, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or
He could be one of the many players in MLB who have contracted “foot-in-mouth” disease.
" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 13, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad you all realize that Papelbon has a big mouth
But on the other hand he is a helluva closer. You want your closer to be a little off and cocky and arrogant. Now if only his game face didnt make him look like he has an anus for a mouth. I guess that is fitting considering all of the crap he talks.
by PewterPirate55 on Mar 13, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great analogy! Rectum face! I love it.
Rickey Henderson was cocky, but he wasn’t immature and cocky. You can be cool and cocky / arrogant. Hell, I’ll give the guy props. He can close the game down better than anyone in the game right now. But geez Paps, if you’re going to be cocky, be cool about it.
" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 13, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s just telling it like it is. And coming from him, you know he’s telling the truth. It kinda puts an end to any thought that Manny was in the right. I think this’ll help put all this shit behind us.
by BTLove on Mar 13, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will unless there's a Red Sox / Dodgers World Series.
If there (ya never know), I guarantee the networks will hype the hell out of it.
" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 14, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paps will drill Manny in the side.
Which isn’t a bad idea considering I’d rather not see Manny blast one over the Monster and look around with his hands raised again.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 14, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah! That would be classic. That would guarantee a brawl like no other.
Speaking of watching home runs leave the park, Ryan Braun is probably only second to Manny in his arrogant manner of watching the ball depart. Where the hell does he come off being a 2nd year guy (last year) showing attitude after hitting a homer? It would serve him well to just hit the ball, jog the bases and get his a$$ into the dugout and celebrate there.
" (Stewie) Wait a minute. Germany is building WMD's? Then, why doesn't America go in there and kick their a$$e$? (Brian) I don't know. Maybe it's because they don't have any oil? (Stewie) Ohhhhhhh. Clap, clap, clap, clap, claaaaap. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Mar 14, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about your closer, Lou?
Nobody is a bigger showboat than K-Rod. He acts like he’s won the WS every time he strikes out a hitter.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Mar 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that about K-Rod.
I haven’t seen much of Braun.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Mar 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really. I'd prefer a closer like this guy:
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 14, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old, expensive, and with only one pitch?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Mar 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
Maybe we should trade for A-Rod and coax Paul O’Neil out of retirement. Damn.
by BTLove on Mar 14, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, the attitude.
Not the player, or the team.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 14, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…But…Manny Ramirez is a far better player than Jason Bay!
Oh and on the Riviera comment(And no I’m not a Yankees fan I hate them)Mariano is old yes but why does that matter when he just last season had one of the better seasons a reliever has had, I would beg to differ that he is overpayed and I couldnt care less that he only has one pitch…A closer could throw underarm for all I care so long as hes as reliable as Mo when it comes to the 9th…how does it matter that he only has one pitch when said pitch is extremely effective at closing games and keeping players off base?
by Ohpityme on Mar 15, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Talk About Cancer
Re: Eddie Doyle
A copy of my email to the Bull & Finch Tavern:
"I’m a Yankees fan so Boston Red Sox fans don’t normally agree with me, but I’m wiling to bet that most of them will agree with me when I tell you what a bunch of scum buckets you guys are for laying off Eddie Doyle.
Think it was a good business decision? Well let me tell you: my kid will be looking at schools in Boston soon and we were planning on visiting "Cheers".
No reason to go now!
Not everything in life is about a few bucks.
Losers!"
Can you believe these guys!?!
by NYYanksFan on Mar 15, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
I didn’t get it in the Fenway thread, and I don’t get it here.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 16, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explanation, please?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
"He [Sandoval] is a big, puffy crouton in our wilted salad of a lineup. Do No matter how bad a movie is a eight game sweep is wacky in baseball, so a one run loss in the series is not the end of the world. disparage the comedian." -sfgiantstoday
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 16, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Cheers" laid off its long time bartender.
Too bad.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Mar 16, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was Eddie Doyle VORB?
Maybe he’s over-rated.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Mar 17, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Thanks. I don’t live in Boston, so I don’t really know anything about that kind of stuff.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
"He [Sandoval] is a big, puffy crouton in our wilted salad of a lineup. Do No matter how bad a movie is a eight game sweep is wacky in baseball, so a one run loss in the series is not the end of the world. disparage the comedian." -sfgiantstoday
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 17, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have known if I hadn't read it on boston.com
Never gone to Cheers, and probably never will.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Mar 17, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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