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Red Sox Stuff That Is Pissing Me Off.

1. the CHB. And I quote, from his latest piece:

He signed with the Red Sox in January, and the Sox plan to use him [Baldelli] as a fourth outfielder - no small job on any team that employs J.D. Drew

The rest of the piece is okay, but it feels unnecessary to backhand J.D. Drew like this. It's not a shock that he's the CHB's new target, I suppose. I don't know. I think there's fragile and then there's fragile. I think the implication that is often made about Drew being soft is unfair, even if accusing him of being fragile isn't exactly a crime. And you know, based on his history, that the CHB wasn't exactly not implying softness.

2. Lack of faith in MDC.

I think the differences between both camps here lie in whether you rely much more on game-to-game visual of his performance, or whether you trust the statistics to tell you more about the level of talent in a RP. Everyone and their mother who has ever read this site knows that I like to use FIP to back my S. up. And f, I'm going to use it now. Want to know who was second among last year's RPs in the Sox pen in FIP? I'm sure you can guess, it was Manny Delcarmen. Ramon Ramirez, a new addition, is second among our current relievers, but the point I'd like to make is that a lot of people seem to want to bury MDC at the bottom of the depth chart. The way in which he's pitched and his talent level would suggest that he should be no lower than 3rd behind Paps and Ramon Ramirez. There are reasons he's asked about in trades, and reasons why we turn down the teams who request him. He's good. Edit: Just now realized that Saito is actually ahead of both Ramirez and MDC. Nothing changes as far as my point is concerned, which is that MDC isn't even close to a problem in the bullpen.

I'd also recommend that you take a moment and look at this article by Rich Lederer of Baseball Analysts. He divides all RPs into quadrants based on their GB and K rates.  You'll notice a lot of the best relievers in the northeast quadrant, and as Lederer notes, we have 4 of them. Who are they? Well I'm glad you asked: Paps, Saito, Ramirez, and Okajima, Masterson, Mf'nDC. 

The next time you hear someone say: "Manny Delcarmen just isn't very good", remind them that he's better than a lot of relievers on his or her s'ty team. And if they respond by saying they're a Red Sox fan and MDC is on their team, then just end the conversation. Nothing productive is going to happen there.

3. Our Grapefruit League record. 

0-3. Sure, wins and losses in the spring don't mean a thing. But I want wins, d'it.

4. Jason Varitek, starting C.

5. Julio Lugo, starting SS.

Okay. So #4 is kind of too frustrating to talk about, but somehow 5 isn't. I guess it's because Lugo is the more obviously wrong choice for his job, simply because we have a much better option ready to roll. I've seen the recent diary on this subject, of course, but I'm kind of tired of the angle that's obviously being worked here, that this is what Lugo is being paid to do, Lowrie has more potential versatility, yada yada f'n yada.

Lugo, being paid more, should be asked to do more. Lowrie should stand up and say, y'know, I make the f'n minimum. Why isn't the $9M dollar man asked to stand in at 3b and play 2b on those rare occasions that DP doesn't start? He's paid more, he should have more responsibilities. 

I want Jed Lowrie as comfortable at the plate as possible, and if committing to him at SS is the way to go for that, then I want it. Anecdotally, Lugo does appear to have more range and a stronger arm than Lowrie. I'm not sure anyone would dispute that claim. I'm just as sure that no one would dispute the claim that the only possible shortstop with worse hands than Lugo would be a f'n oak tree. I don't know what I mean by that, but I think the visual works. 

6. No contract extension for Lester?

Logically, it's a risk, and one we should be looking at more next season or possibly at the ASB this season? Illogically, Jon Lester makes hitters his B., and I'm not sure you can put a pricetag on that.

Ed: To be fair, I'm quite happy with the Sox overall this season. Looking good, good offseason. That being said, I'm certainly entitled to be annoyed here and there.

Open thread time. Anything about the Sox that's pissing you off? Or to spin this more positively, anything about the Sox that you're particularly excited about this season? Let's f'n hear it, boys and girls.

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Taking on 2, 6, and 5

Addressing your points.

(2) The natural tendency is to try and slot relief pitchers into roles—and after Masterson became 8th inning guy, it sort of left MDC as the “well, what does he do?” guy. After all, you had the “lefty specialist” in Lopez, 7th inning guy (Okajima), closer (Paps), trash time guy (Timlin), and so on. But MDC didn’t really have a niche, and so that leads to rash conclusions that he’s not that good.

Personally, I think this has the potential—on paper, at least—to be one of the filthiest, stingiest bullpens ever assembled.

(6) I believe Lester is under the Sox’s control until 2012. Right now, there’s no incentive to give him a major long-term deal. However, Lester’s made it clear that he’s willing to talk whenever the Sox are. (No Paps-like route for Lester.)

(5) Along with Pedroia and Lester, Lowrie might have been one of the 10 biggest bargains in baseball last year. As I said on a post on another board last year, what Lowrie had to do wasn’t much: he just had to play pretty much every day after the All-Star break; switch back and forth between SS and 3B, sometimes in the middle of games; switch-hit from five different spots in the lineup; and do it all in the middle of a heated pennant battle in one of the most heavily scrutinized markets in the country. Oh yeah, and do it all while playing with a fractured wrist.

I agree that Lugo should be asked to do more—but clearly he’s not willing or not able to do so. There are only reason 9 million dollars reasons we’re even having a competition for the shortstop spot. And while Lugo has slightly more range and a stronger arm, he’s much less accurate—and accuracy is probably more important at SS on everything except throws to the plate.

Lowrie seems to have enough confidence to be comfortable at the plate, regardless of where he plays on defense. That said, given everything he had to do last year, I’d argue that Lowrie and the Sox will be better off if he gets used to being batted where needed—although the 2- and 7-holes are probably his “natural” spots. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with showing Youk-like versatility; especially this season, the ability to move around on short notice will probably be more critical than ever before.

by lone1c on Feb 28, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

When you put it that way...
I agree that Lugo should be asked to do more—but clearly he’s not willing or not able to do so. There are only reason 9 million dollars reasons we’re even having a competition for the shortstop spot.

…Lugo starts to sound like a certain prima donna who used to do a horrible imitation of a leftfielder. But at least that guy could hit. And never got arrested for beating his wife.

by RSNexile on Feb 28, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well put on all points.

I think what’s really bugging me on the Lugo/Lowrie situation are the indications that it’s not even a competition. For realz? I forgot who put it this way the best, but the money is already spent. We’re not getting it back and no one is taking the contract from us. Put the best team out there regardless of money, and strike me dead if this isn’t the best team available: Youks, DP, Lowell, Lowrie, Bay, Ells, Drew, Papi, Insert Your Favorite Underwhelming Catcher.

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by Allen Chace on Feb 28, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As for Contract Extensions go:

Were going to have alot on our plates soon.
I mean how long can we ignore Papelbon? I know he’s gonna want money and is talking like a MFY, but is hands down the best closer this team has seen in 20 years! Does 4 years 50 million sound fair?

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by sox-inda-south on Feb 28, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, Allen

Agree about everything—especially MDC. Delcarmen has wicked stuff and has been far more effective than many Sox fans think.

Lots of people are excited about Ramon Ramirez. In fact, I’ve heard many who think that now that Ramirez is in Boston, MDC is trade bait. I’d rather have MDC. Ramirez couldn’t get left-handed hitters out last year. Here are Ramirez’s 2008 splits:

v. RHB: .153 AVG/ .244 OBP/ .212 SLG
v. LHB: .300 AVG/ .370 OBP/ .375 SLG

These splits aren’t that much of a fluke, as Ramirez also had trouble with lefties in 2006 (his other full season). In contrast, MDC is tough on both lefties and righties:

2007
v. RHB: .194 AVG/ .265 OBP/.290 SLG
v. LHB: .167 AVG/.278 OBP/.300 SLG

2008
v. RHB: .218 AVG/ .292 OBP/.366 SLG
v. LHB: .190 AVG/.275 OBP/ .270 SLG

Unlike Oki, who needs to be handled carefully because he tires (kudos to Tito), or Saito, who is coming off an injury and may need to be spotted, MDC thrives on work. I’m curious to see what Masterson does this year, as I feel he was a bit lucky last year. I think MDC is far too good—and important—to trade.

Masterson and Ramirez are tough on righties. Saito, Oki, and MDC are tough against both sides of the plate. And then there’s J-Lo, who last year was very tough on LHB but the year before couldn’t get them out. I’d move J-Lo or Ramirez before MDC.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Feb 28, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very well said

I doubt they’ll move J-Lo, however, and MDC has some value at this point. I really wouldn’t trade any of these guys.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 28, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would trade Masterson

Our rotation is deep, and our bullpen is deep. He’s a good, versatile guy to have around, but at this point, I think his greatest value is on the trade market, seeing as we don’t really need him and other teams probably value him highly (a young cost-controlled RHP, who can start or come out of the pen).

by Schulz on Feb 28, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hesitant to trade any of these guys.

Masterson is solid and cost controlled for a few more years.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Feb 28, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I think the Sox should hold onto Masterson. His versatility makes him very valuable, especially since the Sox have aging pitchers and reclamation projects in the #4 and #5 spot. I’d only move Masterson to get a good young catcher (Teagarden).

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Feb 28, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think MDC is undervalued because of his bad start last year.

He had a mediocre to bad first half (4.54 ERA) but a filthy second half (1.82 ERA). We should fully expect him to be great this year. This bullpen is so deep, I don’t think there will be set roles. I mean, there is a good chance that Masterson will be the 6th guy out of the pen behind Paps, Oki, Saito, Ramirez and MDC. It will be fluid all year and whomever is pitching well, will pitch the high leverage innings.

by BTLove on Feb 28, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MDC is our Wakefield in the pen

When he’s on, he’s lights out. When he’s not, he very much sucks our momentum.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Mar 1, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that is pissing me off the most is

Corpse starting at C with no one much better there. That’s awful. The Yankees and the Rays both improved this off-season, and the only spot we had to improve, we didn’t.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 28, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think we're vastly improved.

Penny/Smoltz are huge for pitchin depth, and our bullpen should be filthy. Add to that healthier Papi and Lowell, a better bench (Coco was great, but Bard, Kotsay, Lugo, Wilkerson and Baldell give us better flexibility than Coco, Cash, Cora and Casey), and a full season of Lowrie.

Ya, I’d like a Teagarden taking ABs from El Capitan, but you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had. Or something.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Feb 28, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: the army

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, and then seek to win.”
-Sun Tzu

There’s still time to improve at catcher via trade, and maybe the organization thinks Bard, Brown or Kottaras will step up. Still, I would’ve liked to have seen a real effort to replace Tek in the offseason.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
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by 0157H7 on Feb 28, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahah, rec'd

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by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 28, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am shocked and awed.

Operation Enduring Rec!

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Feb 28, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Genghis Khan > Don Rumsfeld

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Mar 1, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

1. I haven’t read CHB in years. Even when someone posts an article of his they don’t like, I won’t click on it, because clicks are good for his business, whether they’re positive or negative.
2. I like MDC, and he’s a good reliever. But there’s some evidence to suggest his best pitching comes in low-leverage situations. Take a look at last year:

2 out, RISP: .715 OPS against (47 PA)
Late and Close: .721 OPS (132 PA)
Tie Game: .743 (46 PA)
1-run game: .745 (100 PA)
Within 2 R: .694 (158 PA)
Within 3 R: .669 (209 PA)
Within 4 R: .646 (226 PA)
>4-run game: .496

His splits were similar, though not quite as dramatic and overall better in 2007. Ramon Ramirez, as an example, was similarly dominant in blowouts, but was also dominant in 2-out, RISP situations (.411 OPS against) and Late and Close (.649).

If I remember correctly, MDC was used in high leverage less as the season went on. Some of this was probably due to Masterson pitching well in relief and Okajima getting his stuff back, but it could also show that Tito et al agree that he doesn’t do as well in high-pressure situations.

The sample size is small enough that he could turn it all around this year, though. But I’m pretty happy to have Papelbon, Okajima, Masterson, Ramirez and Saito ahead of him on the depth chart.

3. Eh. Whatever.

4 and 5. There’s a chance these two positions could keep us out of the playoffs. But what can ya do. It’s been discussed.

6. Lester only has slightly over two years of service time. Once he shows he can handle his increased workload from last year and is arbitration-eligible, then I would talk extension. I don’t think it’s good business to lock up any pitcher for very long, though.

by Toe Nash on Feb 28, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

2.

I think the differences are significant in many cases from 2007-2008

2 out, RISP: .602 OPS (17 PA) v. .715
Late & Close: 607 OPS (70 PA) v. .721
Tie Game: .516 (14 PA) v. .743
Within 1 run (he was weakest here): .690 OPS (64 PA) v. .745
Within 2: .657 OPS (93 PA) v. .694
Within 3: .580 OPS (121 PA) v. .669

I think also, that the usage problems noted by DD above (Ramirez’s weakness against LHHs, Oki’s problems with being overworked, and Saito’s health) make it important for the Sox to count on MDC for a lot of different situations. Sure, ideally, Oki is 2007 Oki and Saito is healthy enough to be Paps’ top setup man. But in reality, we’re probably going to need MDC for a lot of high-leverage situations and the tendency of some Sox fans to dismiss his potential in those situations is absolutely ludicrous to me.

6. I probably should’ve done something more to stress that that was the irrational part of my brain talking. Like suggesting a 15-year deal or something.

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by Allen Chace on Feb 28, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are there any studies out there that seek a correlation in performance from year to year in these game specific situations? It seems that the sample sizes are so small (as Toe Nash said above) that the differences could be chalked up entirely to luck. Over his career he is equally effective in high, low and medium leverage innings. Do we think he lost the ability to pitch high leverage innings over last winter? I doubt it. MDC is one of our most effective pitchers, plain and simple.

by BTLove on Mar 1, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What to WORRY about

I don’t worry about the team on the field. How much Drew plays or whether Lugo or Lowrie should be the shortstop. Maybe Beckett’s health is a worry, but for now I feel fine. What I do worry about is the manager and his propensity to give away games like game 2 of the championship series last year. It was ok to send Beckett back out. It wasn’t ok to leave him in after giving up another hit since his previous innings were unacceptable in such a crucial game. In otherwords, the dude doesn’t have it today, get his butt out of there. We don’t want to give back the lead we just got. Win this game and the probability of winning the series is 80-20. Lose this game and it’s 50-50 or maybe 40-60 because your record against the Rays isn’t that great, and you don’t want a momentum changer.

by Splinters on Feb 28, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why move DelCarmen?

For now the answer is don’t. But things change from time to time and needs can change. What can I get for him if I have a need. For now his greatest asset is he is an inning eater compared to the other relievers. But if Wakefield goes to the bullpen, he can become the inning eater. Never could understand why he wasn’t used as such in previous seasons. But let’s be honest in evaluating the current probabilities. MDC’s value has dropped unless the bp gets overworked. He is not likely to appear in the 7-9 innings game which is on the line. Unless Saito and Okajima go south.

by Splinters on Feb 28, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You can never have enough bullpen arms

MDC will fit in with Okie, Masterson, Saito, and Ramirez. Trading away bullpen arms seems a little like a knew jerk reaction during spring training.

Wait to see what we get from Lugo + Bard/Tek, maybe one of them can turn it around and have a career year, or in Tek’s case a much better year.

Unless we are going to move people for a Roy Halladay or Jake Peavy, no reason to make a move. There will be a much better selection of players to trade for latter on after a few months.

Texas can sit all year on their catchers…or until they come down from their asking price.

by SoxAcumen on Mar 1, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Although I don’t want Peavy. Halladay, I’d take in a heartbeat.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 1, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have an idea for a poll:

Who would you be willing to give up in exchange for Roy Halladay?
Possible answers would be the top 10 Sox, ranked by value (by Fangraphs), and then the top 5 prospects, ranked as we have them.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 1, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the WBC

That’s what’s pissing me off.

The Sox are deep as heck, but Tito losing Ortiz, Youk, Pedroia, Bay and Matsuzaka to the WBC is putting added stress on Tito and the remaining players…

I’d much rather have Dice-K and Ortiz in camp… I’m not as concerned about the other guys…

Bottom Line: That, and my fear that Lowell is going to be useless this year, are the only things bugging me right now… overall things looks very positive so far this spring.

by bottomlinesox on Mar 2, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hate the WBC

But I’m not worried about Ortiz. As a DH, I don’t care where he gets his work in. The only player I’m worried about is Dice-K. The WBC is hardest on pitchers, and Dice-K (and Japanese pitchers in general) tend to overwork themselves.

I think the Sox should have kept any pitcher on their roster from playing in the WBC. Other teams have asked their players not to participate. Dice-K may be in for a down year (something closer to his 2007 season).

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 2, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I freakin love the WBC

Olympic Baseball sucks, so this is the best event. Japan, Cuba, Korea, DR, Ven., PR, and the US all have a chance to win.

Dice-K pitched 1000s of pitches before he became a Red Sox (he once threw 250 pitches in a weekend), pitching 1, 70 pitch outing in a week, then another 85 pitch outing, and a possibility of 3 more 100 pitch outings wont be a problem. He will have Kuroda and Darvish to eat up innings, I really think people are making this out to bigger than it really is…

Oswalt doesn’t seem to worried and he was injured last season.

by SoxAcumen on Mar 2, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The mileage on Matsuzaka's arm matters

As does how he prepares for the 2009 season. The Sox forced Dice-K to throw less last year and, as a result, he improved. The Japanese are notorious for overthrowing in preparation for games. I hope the Sox gave the Japanese team very strict instructions on the way Dice-K should be used.

The number of innings a pitcher throws at this point in the (pre)season matter less than overall number of pitches thrown. In spring training pitchers are worked into shape slowly, primarily throwing one or two pitches in their early outings and expanding their repertoire and innings in their later games.

Nobody is a game shape yet. To have the tournament at this time is a bad idea, especially for the pitchers.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 3, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's when it should be held.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 3, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was reading an article over at FG’s by Dave Cameron where he advocates removing the All Star game, lengthening the break, and having an “All Star Tournament” that is similar to the WBC for a week in the middle of the season. Interesting idea.

by BTLove on Mar 3, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure they can lenghen the ASB without lengthening the season. How many November games do you want to play? Also, injuries ocurring in an ASB WBC would be harder to recover from, as the Trade Deadline is only a few weeks after the Break.

As Schulz noted, October/November might be the best time to play—if you have to have a WBC.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 3, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The goal of a mid-season tournament would be so that players are in mid-season form. A tournament in October/November would probably mean that a lot of guys could (or would) not compete because of nagging injuries, fatigue, etc. not to mention the players participating in the playoffs would not be able to compete.

It would be pretty easy to shorten spring training by a few days (Francona has been bitching a bunch about ST being too long). Starting the season a few days early would be better than lengthening it any more.

by BTLove on Mar 3, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Starting the season early isn't a good idea either

The weather in the Northeast, upper Midwest, and Northwest isn’t very good for baseball in late March/early April. The only way to fit the WBC into the season is to shorten the WBC and schedule doubleheaders during the MLB season. The owners would never go for the latter, as it would cut into their revenue.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Mar 3, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or just have the cold weather teams start the season on the road.

I just think the WBC before the season is too harmful to the pitchers. After the season I think we would have far more players declining to play.

If you could shorten the WBC to one week (as opposed to the 4 day ASB), you would only be lengthening the season by 3 days. This would not be too hard to accommodate.

by BTLove on Mar 3, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Esp. if Selig realized how f'n stupid the playoff schedules we have now are.

Should be something like this:
Two games per day for the LDS’s, then one game per day for the LCS’s. And the World Series should be every other week night, Starting on a Monday in the HFA city, Wednesday in same city, Friday – Sunday in the next city, then Tuesday in HFA city, and Game 7 would be on a Friday night.
Allows for people who bought G7 tix as “ifs” to travel/sell, guarantees the teams would be rested so that the loser can’t claim they were at a disadvantage.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Mar 3, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitching

I know you never have too much, but would you be willing to give up two arms, Bailey and a catcher for McCann?

by Splinters on Mar 2, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Which two?

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Mar 2, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like the Halladay trade, this won’t ever happen. Buchholz, Bowden, Exposito and Bailey would still be not enough for McCann. McCann’s locked up cheap through 2012 and the Braves are contenders, so he’s not going anywhere.

by Toe Nash on Mar 3, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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