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Which '03 Red Sox is most likely to have used steroids?

Pure speculation, people, but here is a question for everyone: There are 104 names on this report that included Alex Rodriguez's name on it. There will be some big names other than A-Rod -- that's for sure -- and there, most likely, will be a Red Sox or two or three...

So which Red Sox from the 2003 is most likely to be on this list? Poll is attached and let's hear why in the comments.

Poll
Which Red Sox from the 2003 team is most likely to be one of the 104 players list on this report?
Jason Varitek
44 votes
Kevin Millar
55 votes
Nomar Garciaparra
454 votes
Manny Ramirez
56 votes
Johnny Damon
123 votes
Trot Nixon
81 votes
David Ortiz
114 votes
Gabe Kapler
139 votes
Pedro Martinez
21 votes
Derek Lowe
18 votes

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Nomar

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 11, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'd bet Nomar

But I’ll say Damon because he’s on the MFY now.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't think so

I think he’s the one most likely to have used greenies.

by RSNexile on Feb 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was partially joking about Damon

It wouldn’t surprise me. But I’d bet on Nomar, Trot, and Millar ahead of him.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Millar

But given Nomar’s injuries, I wouldn’t be surprised if he used.

by RSNexile on Feb 11, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Millar is a good candidate

Millar was a replacement player. I think most of the players who used PEDs were borderline players looking for an edge, older players looking for the same, or players coming back from injuries.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Feb 12, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trot was seriously injured way too often to be using PEDs

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Feb 12, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure Nomar used...

but I’m entirely positive Gabe Kaplar was juicing. You ever see that guy’s forearms?

by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Millar

is also pretty massive in the forearm department.

by Schulz on Feb 11, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kapler is a Gym Rat

He spends all his spare time in the Gym of course he looks like that.

by drabidea on Feb 11, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so was nomar

and Ken Caminiti, and barry bonds. If you are juicing you still have to hit the gym to get big.

by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kaps was also a PROFESSIONAL BODY BUILDER at one point…

by Randy Booth on Feb 11, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 drabidea; I think Kapler is 100% natural.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Feb 12, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I picked Nomar

But Varitek might be on there. I really hope Ortiz and Manny aren’t on that list (esp. Papi).

by Schulz on Feb 11, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh goody. I like a spot of irresponsible speculation.

Nomar and Nixon and Kapler and Lowe.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Feb 11, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lowe?

Really? He’s the only who’s gotten better over the last five years.

But agree on the other three.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Feb 11, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are bound to be myriad pitchers involved

so I picked one at random. One must wonder, idly, irresponsibly, about someone who has proven so durable passed what ought to be their peak years.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Feb 11, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After there have been some really crap players who took PEDs. I don’t think you have to look for someone who showed an amazing peak in their performance to be suspicious.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Feb 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After all, that is

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Feb 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More misguided and ill-informed speculation on my part: the current testing programmes are almost certainly lagging the technology of the masking agents developed by THEM.

Oh it’s all crap. I hate steroid talk as much as the next person. But every so often I’ll stick my head above the parapet and expose my ignorance.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Feb 11, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ignorant people don’t use the word “parapet.”

Or if they did they’d say “hey parapet – polly want a cracker?”

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Feb 11, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Todd Walker.

Just because I never really liked that guy.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Feb 11, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Jeremy Giambi.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Feb 11, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

I would guess Jeremy Giambi above all else besides Nomar. He had alot of pressure to produce like his brother.

by drabidea on Feb 11, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Count Me Out

Yes there are almost assuredly some Red Sox on that list, but I see no point in engaging in reckless speculation.

Though as tommy.otm observes, we already know of one player from that squad who has admitted using steroids (Jeremy Giambi).

by argo0 on Feb 11, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hi, I worked out twice a week, and ate lots of fresh fruit.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Feb 11, 2009 6:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gamma-rays

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 12, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Huge lats.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Feb 12, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He looked like a flying fox.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Feb 16, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Nomar

But I sadly think that Varitek is just as likely.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Feb 12, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Shea Hillenbrand. No question.

by Jenks on Feb 12, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I almost put him on the poll…

by Randy Booth on Feb 12, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To go out.side of theBox a little

I went with Pedro…

LA players had an early advantage in the steroid era because of the fairly common use in their home countries. That and to many people forget that there are just as many pitchers on steroids as hitters. It is more about recovery and stamina.

I would like to have seen a split poll. That way Nomar would not be a run away vote.

by laxtonto on Feb 13, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

By LA, I assume you mean Latin American.

It could have been Los Angeles in this case though.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Feb 13, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"LA players had an early advantage in the steroid era because of the fairly common use in their home countries"

Okay, this was dumb. You have no fucking clue about what you’re talking, do you?

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not fairly common in anywhere I went

It’s hard to get in most places and, really, in South America as a whole the main sport is soccer, which is not the best sport for juicers.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 13, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually you can walk into any pharmacy in Latin America and

buy your own steroids with the right amount of money or a forged prescription or a legit one bought from a crooked physician. There is a reason why a large portion of all steroids are imported from Latin America and now more recently China.

Latin American ball players have been talking about the prevalence of steroids for almost 20 years now. Have you not been curious why the largest portions of the players getting hit with the 50 game suspensions are currently from the DSL teams?

In Latin America, the new frontier of baseball, they are injecting kids with steroids. Grown men are taking needles and plunging them into the backsides of 16-year-olds in the name of profit.

This is no big secret. Major League Baseball knows it is happening. It does not know how to stop it.
From
"Honestly, this is an extremely difficult problem," said Rob Manfred, an executive vice president with MLB.

Over the last two months, 40 players in the Dominican Republic have tested positive for steroids. Ten more from Venezuela were caught. Most are teenagers.

The youngest was 16. His name is Braulin Beltre. The St. Louis Cardinals signed him last year, one of more than 500 kids plucked from Dominican Republic in baseball’s version of the gold rush. Teams last year spent nearly $34 million in the small island country. This year, in the week after the Latin American market opened July 2, teams spent close to $30 million on players and by year’s end will shatter the previous record.

Link

Baseball Urged to Fight Steroids in Latin America
By DAVID PICKER

Published: April 15, 2005

The group Hispanics Across America and a handful of New York politicians protested outside baseball’s headquarters on Park Avenue yesterday, saying that Commissioner Bud Selig was not doing enough to combat steroid abuse by minor leaguers in the Dominican Republic and other Latin American countries and that he should resign.

“We should look for another responsible major league baseball commissioner, a new commissioner, someone that’s going to care for Latin American people,” said Fernando Mateo, president of Hispanics Across America.

Mateo was joined by state Assemblymen Adriano Espaillat and Jose Peralta and city Councilman Miguel Martinez.

They protested baseball’s policies by holding a memorial service for two Dominican teenagers who died in 2001. Mateo said the teenagers had died from taking animal steroids and an animal dietary supplement in the hope of making it to the major leagues.

Testing for steroids in the Dominican league began in 2004. Of the nearly 900 players tested for steroids in the Dominican league last year, 11 percent tested positive.

Link

Complicating the matter is that many substances now banned under baseball’s program because they are controlled substances in the United States are obtainable over the counter in pharmacies in players’ homelands.

They can walk into a drug store at home during the offseason, pop pills until they head to Florida and Arizona in February and then turn up positive at spring training.

"Are there people buying substances in countries where the substances are legal? Yes," said Gene Orza, chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players’ Association. "It’s hard. It’s one of the great problems in this."

Rob Manfred, executive vice president for labor relations in the commissioner’s office, says baseball has educational programs on performance-enhancing drugs in both English and Spanish, and that there is a special program in the Dominican Republic rookie league program that provides individualized counseling from Dominicans for players who test positive there.

Link

This is from Oct of 2000

Latin American Connections

Officials of the federal D.E.A. said that the vast majority of anabolic steroids on the black market in the United States are smuggled from countries where the drugs are available at pharmacies without a prescription.

Mexico and other Latin American countries are major sources of the drugs. For instance, a reporter checked a dozen pharmacies in Santo Domingo and San Pedro de Macoris in the Dominican Republic, and found that 10 of them were willing to sell various versions of testosterone without a prescription.

Strength coaches in the major leagues say players often obtain steroids while playing winter ball in Latin America.

Young ballplayers at San Pedro de Macoris, a town that has produced many major league players, said it was common to find aspiring baseball players shooting up steroids. Some Dominican players said their colleagues who used steroids have often resorted to veterinary drugs, which are even easier to obtain.

Link
Those are just the in the top 10 when you goggle “steroid from Latin America”. This has been a long running well known problem with Latin American players. The fact that you don’t know about it rather surprises me. The next time before you even attempt to think you what your talking about the steriod issues in baseball and tell some one they don’t know what they are fucking talking about do your research. Now you just look like an ignorant fool.

by laxtonto on Feb 13, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear God

First of all, you could have specified which part of Central/South America you meant by Latin America. Second of all, this is stupid. You said that steroids use in Latin America is ‘fairly common’, and that’s an ignorant prejudice. It happens as well, but it happens as well in USA, in fact, lots of the biggest steroids scandals happened with americans. So, yeah, you didn’t have to go out of your way to show me that there are cases of PED in LA, but that’s a big fucking gap between that and being ‘fairly common’.

I live in Argentina. Even though I was raised in Boston, I was born in Brazil, and spent some time in Mexico as well. People in these 3 fine countries have one same opinion about PEDs: They. Fucking. Hate it. I talk with friends from these places, they hate cheaters, lots of those think that the records from this era should be forgotten. A local soccer player that was caught doing roids is mocked up until now on national television here in Argentina. I know what I’m talking about here. It happens, sure, but it happens every fucking where. And it doesn’t happen more in LA than it does in the US.

And you can’t walk into a pharmacy and get steroids here, don’t be silly. You still can get them, but you can get any illegal drugs as well.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 14, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While I admittedly know little about this...

MerryGo, I think your experiences are in non-baseball parts of Latin America. Maybe he is more referring to the Dominican, the center of Latin baseball? Its nothing that I’ve ever heard before though, but I usually go out of my way to not read steroid articles.

In terms of xenophobia, l don’t think he is saying that Latins are more predisposed to cheating with steroids. I think he is stating that it is more common down there; most likely because of less strict drug laws. Either way, it is not racist to say certain drugs are more common in one area or another because clearly they are more common in one area or the other.

Now, there are plenty of steroids used by American players, so I agree with MerryGo, that we should not look at Pedro’s heritage and assume that he is more likely to have been on steroids. I mean, the guy has been pitching in America since he was a teenager.

by BTLove on Feb 14, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He said that latin american players had an early advantage in the steroid era

That’s bullshit, that’s just not true, and that is racist. I haven’t been in DR or places like that, but I have been in Venezuela, a big baseball country, and met local baseball players and such. From what I saw, steroids are not admitted, even less so than allowed. Of course I didn’t ask if the guys did roids, but I doubt so.

Not only american baseball players, take a look at other steroid users. McEnroe, Armstrong, Marion Jones, Ben Johnson (I guess he’s canadian, but whatever) and so on. My point is: Lots of american players have been caught on roids, does it mean it’s fairly common in the US as well? Does this mean America had an ‘early advantage’?

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if its true at all...

but its entirely plausible that Latin Americans had (and still have) easier access to steroids than Americans. I also find it entirely plausible that the exact opposite is true. I just don’t like the suggestion that someone is racist if they come to either of those conclusions. I mean, you are saying that Latin players did not have the “early advantage.” Are you suggesting that Americans did have the “early advantage” and thus, by your logic, wouldn’t that be just as racist? My point is that this is not about race at all. It could be about geography, legal systems or a host of other things that separate Latin countries from America; these differences clearly exist and lead to countless differences between the nations. Pointing them out, one way or another, is certainly not racist.

by BTLove on Feb 15, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying that americans had the early advantage

He said this shit, my point is that the steroid problem is global, not local. And you can believe that it happens more with latin players than otherwise, but that’s silly and it is a bit racist. Because it’s not true, it happens with all kinds of athletes.

"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"

by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 15, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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