Angels sign Abreu
by Schulz on Feb 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST
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Here's the link from MLB. $5MM plus incentives? That's a steal. Sure his defense isn't great, but the Angles could use a left handed bat, and Abreu consistently hits 20 HR, 100 RBI, Steals 20 bases, and gets on base at a clip of .400.
Maybe this will make it easier for us to extend Bay. If his agent wants a big payday, they'll wait until free agency next year where there is likely to be a decent market for his services. However, they could get scared by the lack of interest in corner outfielders, and take a 3-year, $24-27MM deal right away. I can hope can't I?
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Another aging outfielder
as if they didn’t have enough of them. Atleast this one has a good OBP.
by drabidea on Feb 11, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't count on it
Bay isn’t going to sign any deal until he sees what Adam Dunn gets.
by RSNexile on Feb 11, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dunn just signed a two year deal...
with an undisclosed dollar amount. So by writing this I realize I’m no help.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Feb 11, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But I also think that Dunn doesn't really qualify as an OF.
Or at least he shouldn’t.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Feb 11, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Another example of a small (relative to the past few years) contract for a good corner OF/DH. What do you think about a reasonable extension for Bay now?
by Schulz on Feb 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It depends
The MFY shed Matsui’s, Damon’s, and Nady’s contracts after this season. Bay’s agent has to know that.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, Bay is going to wait unless we blow him away.
I could see the MFY going after Holliday and Bay.
by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god
Can you imagine
Cano, Jeter, Teix, A-Rod, Holliday, Bay, Posada, DH, Gardner.
(assuming Cano rebounds)
Yikes
by Schulz on Feb 11, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gardner?
Gardner sucks.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 11, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet $5 that he won't be the Yanks CF in 2010.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 12, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alternatives?
There’s no big name FA center fielders for them to throw money at next year.
by Schulz on Feb 12, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Austin Jackson.
I think it’s foolish for MFY fans to think he might be ready at some point this season, but he’d also need to experience some regression this season to not get every single chance in 2010.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Feb 12, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, really classy labeling Yankee fans as MFY fans...
by schmosterballs92 on Feb 25, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FOR THE LAST TIME:
It’s the same as calling Bucky [F’n] Dent, Bucky F’n Dent.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Feb 25, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
6 of your last 10 comments in SBNation are about either the Sox being overrated or Sox fans being classless.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
Obsess much?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 25, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This may be what Shaughnessy does in the off season.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Feb 26, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Good catch.
My favorite part is that he provides no evidence as to why the Sox system is “overrated” but only states it repeatedly. I’m open to that argument, but I’d like to see some kind of reasoning. I’m fine with Red Sox criticisms, but maybe include some substance and people might take you a little seriously.
by BTLove on Feb 27, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Posada as a catcher?
Yeah, right. Plus, if Bay and Holliday hit back-to-back, all you need is a pitcher that can throw a curveball.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 11, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Posada as DH, and somebody else as Catcher
Arrange the lineup however you want. The point is that it’s scary, maybe Bay has trouble with the curve, but if he’s batting sixth, that says something about the guys in front of him.
I am beginning to realize that that lineup has a lot of RHH.
by Schulz on Feb 12, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't go that far
First, Dunn isn’t a “good corner OF/DH.” He’s a good enough DH, but he sucks in the field.
Second, you better believe the union is going to cry collusion over Dunn and Abreu, considering how relatively sensible their contracts are.
But if Bay would take $10M/year, he’s worth it.
by RSNexile on Feb 11, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm demanding a percentage...
…because that wouldn’t have happened had I not posted my comment.
by RSNexile on Feb 11, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu is a solid signing by Orange County
Especially since he’ll likely DH. He is a brutal OF.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OF overload
They have five players (Vlad, Abreu, Hunter, Matthews, Rivera) for four spots (LF, CF, RF, DH). You can bet that Hunter will play CF full time, and that Rivera will not DH, but other than that I could see some sort of rotation happening as long as Vlad and Abreu play just about every game.
Depth Chart:
LF. Abreu, Matthews, Rivera
CF. Hunter, Matthews, Rivera
RF. Vlad, Rivera, Abreu, Rivera, Matthews
DH. Matthews, Vlad, Abreu
by Schulz on Feb 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Mathews will be DHing too often...
I think they’ll DH either Vlad or Abreu every game, play Hunter in CF most games, and rotate the other two in LF or RF. Either way they are going to be terrible defensively in the OF. None of these guys are even league average anymore according to UZR. The “incredible fielding” Torii Hunter has registered at -11, -1.4 and -11.2 the last three years according to UZR, the other guys are mostly worse.
They’ve made some bad signings in that OF the last few seasons that will hurt them for years: Hunter at $18 mil through 2012, Mathews at $11 mil through 2011, and Rivera at about $4 mil through 2011. Rivera has been below replacement level the past two seasons and valued by FG at -$.6 and -$2.6. Yes, negative money. Moves like this are why BP projects them to fall down to 79 wins for next season.
by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
Matthews would be switched with either Vladdy or Abreu.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Feb 11, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels' OF are bad defensively.
Matthews, Hunter, Vladdy, Abreu, and Vladdy are all bad defensive OFs.
By UZR last year:
Hunter: -11.3 (CF)
Vladdy: -8.9 (RF)
Rivera: -6.6 (RF), 0.7 (LF)
Matthews: -4.7 (LF), -4.3 (RF), 1.9 (CF)
Abreu (w/ MFY): -22.9 (RF)
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just horrid.
But I’m a little skeptical of Abreu’s number. He was -4.2 in 2007. So I’d guess he’d be something between -10 and -15. But yeah, they all suck. Rivera and GMJ were below replacement level last year.
by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about last year
But he isn’t a good glove.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No overload
Matthews stinks. He’ll be on the bench. Then, they have 4 OFs: Abreu, Rivera, Hunter, Vladdy. One DHs, the other 3 start, and Matthews is the 4th OF.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You forget
Reggie Willits, they have to either move him or find time for him as well.
by SoxAcumen on Feb 11, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Willits had only 108 AB last year
He’s the 5th OF.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and he sucked.
I doubt anyone will be knocking down there doors for a below-average fielding OF who had a .552 OPS last year.
by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Willits
plays in the ALDS over Rivera the Angels win and we go home. Willits is an excellent defensive OF. Plus, he is still a major league ready player. So why sign another OF when you have a 4th OF in your system?
Just bc you do not like his game, does not mean he is not a part of their system and either needs playing time or needs to be moved.
It really makes no difference if Abreu was free, they do not need another OF. If the Sox signed another Adam Dunn and Crede, it will make little difference in the Red Sox winning since there are only 8 positional spots in a lineup.
Abreu will do nothing for the Angels and they will most likely lose the AL West.
by SoxAcumen on Feb 11, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Willits is not a good fielder.
According to UZR/150 he was at 1.9, -3.6, .1 the last three years. So at best, he’s a little above average in the field. He was horrid with the bat last year, and just okay in 2007. Abreu can DH full time for the Angels, so his fielding should not be an issue. I would say he’s about a 2 win upgrade over Willits, which is definitely worth $5mil.
by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Willits sucks
He always seemed to me like a bad Milky, and that was before I found that out that Milky is actually a good fielder.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 11, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Gardner.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 11, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’m pretty sure that with some time, my dog could be better than Gardner.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 12, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Willits is part of the Angel rotation in the OF
regardless of what you believe about his game. Scoscia loves him and he plays. SO again if you want to dispute his game by all means go ahead, but he will play for the Angels and he will see time in the OF.
The Angels added a player the do not need for a position with on my count, 6 players must receive some playing time.
Abreu could of signed for $1 and this would be a bad signing.
Who is playing 1st for the Angels in 09? Oh yeah, nobody….
by SoxAcumen on Feb 12, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Morales.
Right? And he’s not very good.
Abreu makes the Angels better. He is an on-base machine, and OBP is a major weakness for them (.330 last season, versus .336 for the league and .358 for the Sox). Sure they have six guys for four spots (including DH), but Matthews and Willits are crapy, but it’s better than the Yanks OF.
I’m sure the Angels knew they had issues going forward – which is why they went for it with Tex. But they still have Santana and Saunders, a decent bullpen, Figgins and Abreu getting on base in front of Vlad and Hunter, and some young guys who are very good or who have some potential (Santana, Adenhart, Napoli, Wood, Aybar, Kendrick and Arrendondo are all under 27), and the play in a really crappy division. They’re not a perfect team by any stretch, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they made the playoffs.
Though I think Scioscia has run his course there.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 12, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry for the "but... but..."
should have been “and… but…”
it’s late.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 12, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with tommy.
Yeah, they suck at 1B, but now they’re at least good at DH. If a team wants to make the playoffs, they cannot bet their future on Regiie Willits. Maybe Scosia does love him, but he is worse than their other OF/DH’ so he shouldn’t play.
by BTLove on Feb 12, 2009 5:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could play Wood at 1B
He killed Minor League pitching, and is only “eh” defensively at 3B. Aybar would man SS.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Feb 12, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*position fail
“eh” defensively at SS.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Feb 12, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson might make sense.
With the acquisition of Dunn, he could probably be had for a song, and he’d seriously improve their team OBP.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 12, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can stay healthy
Johnson is even more fragile than JD Drew.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 12, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's had a couple freak injuries.
Didn’t he break his leg in a collision?
But even two months of Johnson over Morales would help the Angels.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 12, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I hope the Angels don’t do that, Johnson is quite good when healthy.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 12, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another offseason
Another Angel OF signing.
Seriously, do these guys want to win or just get a pay check?
CC Sabathia was available and wanted to play in SoCal, Manny is still available and they sign Abreu, nice work there Reagans. Unemployment cannot hit this guy fast enough.
by SoxAcumen on Feb 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well, Abreu cost them $5 mil
the other guys would have been a bit more. I can’t defend the hunter/gary mathews/rivera signings, but this one seems solid.
by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be Free and it wont help the Angels
The Angels need corner infielders, starting pitching and relief pitching. OFs are not their current problem.
by SoxAcumen on Feb 11, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They also need a bat.
Tex leaves a big whole. Abreu is no Tex, but he’s been remarkably consistent and productive throughout his career. And he should be better without having to play the field too much.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Feb 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dunn for 2 years $20 mil.
"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."
by revigik on Feb 11, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wonder if bay would take a youk deal at 4 years $40 mil. in this economy even if manny gets a big pay day, it will only be for a year
"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."
by revigik on Feb 11, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it.
We were buying out two years of arbitration eligibility for Youk. Bay is a straight up FA after the year. And as was said above, the MFY will probably be going after him.
by BTLove on Feb 11, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Holliday almost certainly available?
I doubt it. Why would Cashman sign Bay when Holliday has the better overall numbers?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Feb 11, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bay is bad defensively.
Holliday is better. Going by Fielding Bible’s +/-, in 2007 and 2008 Holliday is +9 and +11 respectively. In addition, they’re both LF: Holliday’s never played anywhere else in the majors (except DH) and Bay has only 40 games as a CF.
It makes more sense for the Yankees to have Holliday at LF, a no-hit CF, and Nady in RF than to sign Bay.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Feb 12, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nady is FA after this year
And Boras is his agent.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 12, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meaning...
… we get to hear about how Xavier Nady is the best outfielder of the last 20 years. Awesome. I’m waiting for the Boras pitch-book which touts his client’s ability to shit bars of solid gold…
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 12, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Yankees want him, they'll blow him away with money.
And unless he hates NYC, he’ll sign. There’s nothing in the minors for them at RF, and I don’t know of any upcoming FAs that’d interest the Yanks.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Feb 12, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year was really the first good year of his career.
I doubt they’ll have to blow him away with money. I expect them to sign two of either Holliday, Nady, Bay, or even Guerrero. Carl Crawford is a FA after 2010, so maybe they’ll wait for him? If Matsui has a good year, I could also see them bringing him back for a year or two.
by BTLove on Feb 12, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet 10 bucks that Crawford will suck by 2010
Even his glove will decline.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 12, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they?
They don’t need him by any means, and I doubt they would do something like that just piss us off.
"Hey we got a lot in common here... I'm gonna rape you"
by MerryGoByeBye on Feb 11, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel "bad" for Adam Dunn
I don’t really feel awful for a guy making $10 M annually, but really he deserved that salary and a decent team. Now, he’s voluntarily banished himself to the Washington Nationals, which I’m pretty sure is one of the lesser levels of hell.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Feb 12, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
At least that.
That’s less than JD Drew. If Bay puts up a year similar to last year, then it’ll take $15 per. $18 per for Holliday.
by BTLove on Feb 16, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it depends on the economy
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Feb 16, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox will offer him more than that.
At least out of respect. I mean, they gave Tek a 2-year $8 million contract (which could jump to $10 mill if they pick up his option) when no one else in baseball wanted him.
Unless Holliday becomes available (i.e. the Yanks don’t want him), resigning Bay is a top priority for the Sox come 2010.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Feb 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's true, sadly.
This offseason, we considered each of the big three names (CC, Tex, Burnett), and each signed with the Yanks. With the failure of their farm system last season, I expect them to continue signing all the marquis free agents they have space for.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Feb 26, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And even the ones they will have to make room for.
[semi-fat joke about CC]
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Feb 28, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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