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Winter Meetings, Day Two Recap: A Slow Day For Red Sox

Remarkably, day two was even slower than day one.

Just get Theo's take on it:

"Yesterday was probably more productive than today," Epstein said. "Today has been more of a day of follow-up on the ideas of yesterday and we haven't made a heck of a lot of progress. We're still working at it."

After the jump, I'll update you on some of the happenings.

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ALL THE RUMBLIN' ('CAUSE THERE JUST WASN'T MUCH PERIOD)

Full Count " Red Sox claim the ‘other’ Ramon Ramirez

Another pitcher named Ramon Ramirez (potentially) in the Red Sox system. How fun!

Tigers wanted Ellsbury or Buchholz

If the Sox were to acquire Curtis Granderson, it would have taken Jacoby Ellsbury or Clay Buchholz. And we can all say "no thank you" at the same time.

Jason Bay Rumors: Tuesday: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

Your guess is as good as anyone's when it comes to where Jason Bay will land before 2010. The Mariners seem to have no interest in the slugger while the Angels consider themselves "longshots." The Red Sox, still, no matter how hard some people on this blog try, are in talks with Bay.

Texas Rangers Blog - A quick wrapup from Tuesday - ESPN Dallas

The Rangers have shown interest in acquiring Mike Lowell. Really? I didn't think they wanted another poor defensive third baseman. One tends to be enough. However, it all seems like a longshot.

Boston Herald's Silverman on Sox's interest in Soriano

In other trade news, Rafael Soriano, after accepting arbitration, is willing to be traded. However, it doesn't seem the Sox are interested in trading for Soriano. If he was a free agent, that would have been a different story.

Washington Nationals Sign Pudge Rodriguez. - Federal Baseball

Somehow, Pudge Rodriguez is still going. Good for him. Maybe he'll be the first pro catcher to call a sign for Stephen Strasburg.

Winter Meetings: Pirates set to sign Crosby

The were rumors that Bobby Crosby could be a Red Sox, but that was before the Marco Scutaro signing. I wish I could say "Good for the Pirates," but I think it's more fitting to say "Good for Crosby" who is still seeing time in Major League Baseball. Keep collecting that paycheck, Bob!

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RamRam II???

Ram2Ram?

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Dec 9, 2009 6:56 AM EST reply actions  

Nick Cafardo is incompetent

In today’s Globe:

So Granderson is on the verge (pending a physical) of going to the Yankees, who will give up prized center field prospect Austin Jackson, lefthanded starter Ian Kennedy, and lefty reliever Phil Coke in a three-way deal

Wow.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 9, 2009 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

Proofreading.

It is your friend.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Dec 9, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I prefer to just wing it

I could probably get a job at the Globe :D

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

It's true

It’s how Dan Shaugnessy got his start :-)

by BHeebs on Dec 9, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if the MFY get Halladay today

seasons over folks.

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 9, 2009 7:54 AM EST reply actions  

Montero? Hughes? Joba?

Obviously not all three. Probably not two. But one of them plus a throw in or two would maybe do it. Basically, I think the Jays are finding there aren’t that many teams that want to pay his salary and give up top prospects for a year, so if they trade him, they’ll just be looking for something more sure than a draft pick.

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I would think two of those three.

Joba’s value went down significantly last year, and while Hughes pitched well, he hasn’t shown that he can be more than a bullpen arm.

I don’t see them getting Halladay.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 9, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

nah I agree

with the team they have right now, they have no need to give up promising players for Halladay. Especially since the Sox probably aren’t that likely to get him.

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah and more

that was up after i posted that. I think no way the yanks would do that

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see Halladay being traded until late December/early January

Call it a hunch, they want to wait to see who misses out on Lackey first.

Really, Randy Wolf has signed and Tigers trade two players they desperately wanted to trade, those are the only things of significance that have happened at the WM so far, and I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing else big really happened. Our Rule V selection might be the most exciting part about this week.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 9, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jays are asking for alot...

  Ditto like Santana, there is no point for a trade if Halladay isn’t sign for a long term deal. I still see the Yankees have the inside track, as they may not give up alot of young talent, and wait..

by superferret on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If he makes it to FA he'll be signed by he Yanks

There is no doubt in my mind about that. If Theo really wants Halladay the time to get him is now. But yes, the Jays are STILL asking for a lot, and they’re hoping the Lackey loser(s) will pay a bit more than before to get him.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 9, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

No the season isn't over...

What looks good on paper doesn’t pan out in day to day play, players get injured, batters get into slumps, a pitcher’s curve ball is too high and inside for a left handed batter, which then goes 420 feet. One pitch can change a game. Teams go into slumps…

In 2008, all the baseball writers thought the Tigers were the team to beat, instead it was the Rays and their starting pitching..

MFY will be good, but there is a difference between a good team and a World Series winning team.

by superferret on Dec 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me

or is Theo going gray?

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by mystman995 on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

re:

I actually think he’s dying it. If you go back a few weeks, you’ll see his hair is more gray.

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by Randy Booth on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I put it in the Fanshot section but here it is again

Baseballprojections.com projections for the 2009 FA are in! The position player are divided in 2 categories:
Defenders (C, SS, 2B,3B and CF) and
Strikers (COF, 1B and DH)
The leaders in term of WAR in the 2 categories? Marco Scutaro with 3.1 WAR and Holliday with 5 WAR. On the other hand, Jayson Bay is projected to worth 2.9 WAR.
When you consider that 1 win in the FA market is estimated at 4.5 millions worth, the signing of Scutaro looks like a “coup”.
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"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 9, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

If Theo brings Milton Bradley to Boston

I’m going to break my windows and eat that stuff between my toes.

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 9, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

that was my first thought

when i saw a posting that the red sox had clubs they could exchange lowell’s contract for a similar one. Looks unlikely though, I can’t imagine Theo would go through with that.

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

cubs official not denying it

Milton will go insane in Boston

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ew.
that was my first thought

That you were gonna eat the stuff between Giz’s toes?

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

enjoy the toecheese

I don’t think the Sox will get Bradley, but the Cubs mention an unexpected AL team is interested in Bradley.

Bradley would have an absolutely horrible time in Boston. If Manny was nightmare for Tito, Bradley would 10x worst. Bradley needs a small market team like the Reds, the Rays, Rangers or the Pirates. He probably also needs an African American manager, so he doesn’t revert to “it’s racism!” excuse, that he pretty much used with the Dodgers, A’s, and I think the Padres. I would say he would alright with the Mets, but I think Jerry Manuel is going to be fired in 2010.

I see Bradley a better fit with the MFY than with the Sox. However Bradley OBP stats are dreamy, he can hit, when he wants to. Much like Steve Howe continue to pitch with his huge drug problems because he was a good southpaw reliever, and teams always need one, (like the MFY who loved Howe)

I wouldn’t be completely surprise if the Sox trade for Bradley, given his OBP, I would make a judgement that it would a disaster for all involved.

by superferret on Dec 10, 2009 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Carl Everett part 2

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

it would be worse than Everett.. much, much worse.

  Boston is a goddamn pressure cooker for any major league player. For a player as surly as Milton Bradley, who has problems with authority, and states that fellow players are racist at the drop of the hat, (he did this at Jeff Kent) also accused Billy Beane of being a racist.

I have been following Bradley’s career since he was with the Indians, He showed his potential with the Rangers in 2008. I wish he stayed with the Rangers, because he seemed to be happy, and got along with his teammates, The 2009 Milton was the same surly Milton of years past.

The guy needs some medication, and a small market team, he is also very sensitive to criticism. Boston is not the right town for the guy.

Another team that may be interested in him, and I think someone like Griffey Jr. can be a good influence on the guy is Seattle, who need a left fielder..

by superferret on Dec 10, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

News from Pinstripe Alley

“Angels make offer to get Halladay” go to mlbtraderumors.com

VA Yankee since 93'

by jramey on Dec 9, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Saw that.

I don’t think Saunders, Aybar and peanuts gets it done. Not enough upside.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they want to avoid him going to Boston/MFY

I say Philly of the Angels get him.

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 9, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

They could both afford him.

But do they have the prospects to get him? Doubt it.

I don’t see the Phils as real players.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 9, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Angels all the way

They just don’t pay Lackey

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a question of upside

It’s a question of what happens after 2/3 years when Saunders and Aybar are gone and all you’re left with is Bourjos, who’s okay but no blue-chip prospect.

I’d think they’d want players with more years of control since I can’t see them competing in that time frame.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 9, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

John Tomase of the Herald says

The Sox have “significant interest” in Beltre. And reports are we’re talking with the Rangers about trading them Lowell. I hope we don’t have to pay almost all of Lowell’s salary, but I really would like to see Beltre at Fenway.

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

Why would the Ranger want Lowell?

It doesn’t make any sense. The Rangers are paying Michael Young something like 15 mill a year at 3B, so we pay at least 6 mil of Lowell’s contract + what it takes to get Beltre? I’m not convinced that there is going to be a $6 million difference between the two.

by brogshan on Dec 9, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

rotate 1st, 3rd, and DH is what they said

Young probably wants a few days off. Lowell would probably mostly be at 1st

No it would probably cost extra money this year but would set us up at 3rd for a few more years and wouldn’t cost more after this year. If the money is there to use, might as well use it. Theo’s clearly demonstrated he’s not going to use any real money on relievers or anything like that.

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

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