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Che-Hsuan Lin is great

When it comes to ranking the OFers in the Sox farm system, the names that come to mind are: Ryan Westmoreland, Josh Reddick and Ryan Kalish, some OTMers will think about Reymond Fuentes but most of us will forget about who is IMO, the 2nd best OF prospect in the system in term of ceiling, his name is Che-Hsuan Lin. so why's Lin's name doesn't come to mind when we're ranking the prospects this year?  I think that some of us look to his .260/.351/.361 line and think of him as a non-elite prospect . Well, we're wrong!

I'll try in this post to show how great this kid is and why you should mention him in the same breath as Kalish and Reddick (Westy on the other hand lives on the planet of awesomeness).

First of all, when it comes to evaluate prospects, the slush line avg/OBP/SLG doesn't count that much, let me show you why:

Player A: .229/.311/.363 at age 20 in A+

Player B : .248/.343/.391 at age 21 in A+

Player C: .397/.475/.574 at age 20 in his sophomore year in college

Player A is Carlos Beltran, Player B is Mike Cameron and player C is Brett Gardner. As you can see the triple line doesn't give an indication of what the prospect would become, what's important is:

  • Age advancement
  • Tools
  • Progress

Age advancement:

Let's compare Lin's age to his competition.

You can notice, looking at those numbers, that not only he's well ahead on the age advancement scale but he's also increasing the age difference on a yearly basis.

 

Tools:

Unlike Kalish and Reddick, Lin projects to remain as a center fielder, so let's start by speaking about his defense:

Defense: Here's what Soxprospects.com has to say about his defense:

Exceptional glove and range in center to go along with plus plus arm strength and accuracy. One teammate commented positively on Lin's range, stating that it looks like Lin is "gliding on roller skates" in the outfield.

He was elected by the Red Sox as the 2008 minor league defensive player of the year so what we have here is elite fielder at a premium defensive position and here's the numbers: TotalZone gives him 14 Runs/150 which rates as very good to outstanding.

The arm: He's considered to have the best arm in the system and here's what his manager has to say:

Salem manager Chad Epperson called Lin's throwing ability "a luxury."

 

"He's capable of impacting a game in so many ways," Epperson said. "You watch center fielders and most of the time they're guys who get a good jump off the bat, good runners who are able to close gaps a hair above average.

 

"But you don't see them possess the ammo he does with his arm. And he loves to show it off. He's spun around on just the back foot alone and thrown with accuracy."

I will add that Che-Hsuan Lin led Carolina League outfielders with 15 assists and seven double plays. The closest competition is Frederick's Matt Angle and Myrtle Beach's Jason Heyward, with nine assists each. Several outfielders are tied for second with two double plays.

The speed and athleticism: SP.com consider him as a "spectacularly athletic centerfielder likely would have been a supplemental first round pick in the 2007 draft had he been eligible" with a "plus plus speed and good intelligence on the base paths". He stole 26 base this year but his success rate was around 70% compared to last year 82.5%success rate.

Plate discipline : Lin has an extremely advanced approach at the plate. He walks at a good clip (12% BB rate) and he doesn't strike out very often (13.4% K rate) His BB/K rate (0.88) was the third highest amongst Sox players in full season ball. In fact, his BB/K rate was the 5th highest in the Carolina league.

Hitting abilities: Here's some scouting reports that I gathered about his hitting abilities " Lin can drive balls and he's got a compact and fluid swing that generates good speed to the point of contact" He has shown an ability to hit line drives at a healthy clip: 21.4% this year.

Progress:

Lin is showing a terrific improvement in his strike zone judgment shown by his K and BB ratios:

In 2007 his BB% was 8.7%, 10.4% in 2008 and an outstanding 12% in 2009!

His K rate has been declining trough those years too: 20.8% in 2007, 14.9% in 2008 and 13.4% in 2009. I

think it's clear that's what we call progress!

In terms of hitting the ball, his declining GB% (47% this year after 53% last year) and increasing LD% (at 21% this year,which is elite to 15% last year) are showing a developing hitting skills.

Here's what Chris Mellen from Soxprospects.com has to say about those improvements:

 

 

Early in his career, he didn't handle off-speed pitches all that well, but that has seemed to be improving each season and he worked the strike zone much better last season.

 

He's improved his pitch recognition and approach a lot during his time in the organization because it was pretty raw during his first season. Lin's a hitter that has a little more maintenance in his mechanics and that is where he can sharpen things more, and in the process improve the consistency in squaring balls up.

 

Just before I finish I wanna note that it's been documented that Lin started the season injured (back spasm after participating in the WBC) and when you take out his messy April production, you'll have a : .288/.379/.401/.780 - with a 61/55 BB/K ratio.

I have to add that he's been unlucky with his BABIP (.293)  vs his batted ball data and when adjusted his triple line would be: .322/.404/.439.

I hope you take my boy into consideration when you're voting for the Top 15 prospects. He deserve it!

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I finished a post evaluating the Red Sox FO process, including tabs and graphs on Excel, but I have technical problems putting them into a post :( So those of you who can give me some links to where I can find some tips, please do so. Thanks.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 7, 2009 6:16 AM EST reply actions  

Nice analysis.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 7, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's great

but fwiw the guys at Project Prospect ranked him the 6th best CF prospect in the game. Ya boy Westmoreland came in at 4th.

http://projectprospect.com/article/2009/11/16/top-15-centerfield-prospects

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Dec 7, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Why is Jackson not on the list?

I understand that his K number and power were poor last year, but still…

by Buzzy on Dec 7, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that ranking when it came out

And read your comments on on A-Jax in the discussion board: I want to tell you that I was impressed, but not surprised, with you knowledge about him and you made a nice case why he should be in that ranking. Great job pal.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh-

I didn’t see the comments. Thanks for pointing that out-now CW does not have to post the same here!

by Buzzy on Dec 7, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, I was really suprised too. I can understand being down on ajax for the K's and

lack of power last year.But to go so far as to say he’s not one of the 20 best cf prospects in the game is a little crazy. Basically because he had a really high BABIP everybody is discounting all the good things he did last year. Oh well, none of the mods even bothered to respond to me so no big deal. I feel like all these independent wanna be scouting sites try and be a little off the wall with their predictions as to garner some attention and try to be unique.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Dec 7, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I have not looked at his BABIP #s in the minors

but it is a fact that some hitters are just high BABIP hitters. ANd they are not always fast guys like Ichiro, or pretty fast patient lefties like Abreu. Miguel Cabrera comes to mind. It is a bit lazy to look at one year of BABIP out of (potential) context.

by Buzzy on Dec 7, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

I’m not sold on Jackson as a center fielder or power hitter — his 2009 power numbers were back down to his Low-A level. Even if he’s a good defensive left fielder, I can’t imagine him being an above-average all-around player there.

With his speed, line-drive rates, and lack of high GB rates, he looks like a guy who will be able to consistently put up high BABIPs — as he always has in the minors.

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by Adam Foster on Dec 8, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Correction

More GB = higher BABIP — shouldn’t be posting when I’m as tired as I am right now. Still, he looks like a guy who could continue to put up relatively high BABIPs.

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by Adam Foster on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Those lists were compiled a few months apart. I saw Kalish play multiple times before the center fielder list came out. We also took a closer look at his in-season ball-in-play data. I’m not as high on him now as I was a few months ago.

Tazawa is pretty polished. I’ve gotten some very good reports on him.

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by Adam Foster on Dec 9, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm waiting for AA pitching to pass judgement.

I’m not sure how much of his ability to get on base is a result of A-level pitchers failing to put the ball in the zone. A guy with a high OBP but low average and power numbers tends to be more a result of pitchers not executing in the lower levels than of a guy with advanced discipline.

If he can put up either average or power, or keep his OBP up in Portland, then I’ll have some more faith. Until then, I’m not sure his bat is enough to put his cieling above “utility” level.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Like I mentionned at the end of the post

When you neutralize the luck effect, he’s putting .843 OPS at a level where the competition is 2 years older than him!!!
Ok, let’s say he remains an “average” hitter who’s ceiling is in the .700 -.750 OPS don’t you think that you’re just forgetting what’s expected of a good-fielding centerfielder. As a point of comparison, the average AL centerfielder in 2009 hit .265/.329/.403/.733. I’ll take a Franklin Guiterrez type of player anyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
And I think he has all what it takes to be a very good hitter: if you go back to the Portland team from 2005 which was stacked with prospects, some guy name Hanley Ramirez hit a whopping 271/335/383 at the age of 22 in 465 at-bats.
I’m very confident in his potential as I was skeptical about Lars’ (Remember my 1st fanpost here when I was “proposing” dealing Lars and Bowden for Smoak? lol)

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 7, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Lin has less of a projected bat than Hanley did.

And I think you have to consider his ceiling within the context of the organization. I think Lin has a lot of potential to play on a major league team. He plays top-tier defense (like what Ellsbury was credited with before exposed by UZR, and that’s enough to get you on any team. But within the organization there are better options with about as much defensive talent and higher cielings.

As for his improved hitting peripherals, fair enough. I do recognize that he suffered some extraordinarily bad luck, but still, he’s had about 1000 PAs in the minors and has yet to show results. As much as I consider myself a believer of peripherals, advanced statistics, etc. I find myself unable to entirely overlook the other low numbers. Call it preconceived bias if you must.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Dec 7, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

As expected

Casey Kelly commit to pitching: He will tart in big league camp.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 7, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

Nice Post Radiohix, this only makes me question more....

….why we drafted a CF in the first round this year….here’s to a Westmoreland, Lin, Reddick Outfield!

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Dec 8, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Never ever draft for need.

You draft the best talent available

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Dec 8, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a "This only makes me question more...why we drafted Reymond Fuentes in the first round this year" joke in their somewhere

No, I keed, I keed, he seems like a good enough prospect. Going in I wanted Scheppers though, and was excited when he hadn’t been draft yet by the time the Sox picked.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 8, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't draft for need, but you do draft for depth....right?

I mean does it really make sense for the Redsox to have 4 MLB caliber CF in our system when we have none at say….3B? I don’t really understand that philosophy…..I get the don’t draft on need, but I think there should be some kind of balance…..there was talent on the board when we picked…..

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Dec 8, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, if they like Fuentes they like Fuentes.

Most 3B’s are just SS’s who outgrow their position. We probably have that in a guy like Renfroe, eventually. You draft a guy out of high school who is already a 3B (Davidson) and there’s a good chance he’s not a 3B by the time he gets to the show.

Fuentes, to me, was an average late round pick, nothing sexy or exciting, but stable.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 8, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was Fuentes over Scheppers

Because Fuentes didn’t require a way over slot deal.

by Gnick on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think of two stories

Toronto (I believe) passed on Clemens because (even though they had him higher on their board) they felt they needed to meet a need behind the plate. Second, Bobby Knight tells the Trail Blazers to take Jordan with their #2 pick. The GM indicates that they need a center and took Drexler the year before. Knight tells them to play Jordan at center!

I’m not saying that Fuentes is Clemens or Jordan but you take the best available player on your board as you never know what your roster will look like in 4 years. However, Scheppers and Myers would have been at the top of my board but I have to trust in the Sox brass.

by mg050369 on Dec 13, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Thx sox-inda-south

I’ll write another post about Pimentel if we reach the slot number 9 in the ranking and Stolmey isn’t there yet: He’s, with Lin and Gibson, one of my 3 under the radar favorites.
Gotta pimp my boys :)

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 9, 2009 7:16 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s the problem: If I ask you he’s pretty much over the radar, but for the rest of us (mortals), I don’t feel too much love for the kid ;-)

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 9, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

this is true

I know because every dumb trade proposed by an uninformed sox fan involves him, because they’re looking over the top 10 prospects list and he’s the one they don’t know.

Personally, I’d like to see the writeup even if he does get voted in the top 9.

My biggest issue with the guy is if he does ever make it up to the red sox, since his name is already Stolmy, what will Tito call him??? Stolmy-y?

by wolf9309 on Dec 9, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I include him often enough.

Because I think he’s the only pitcher with significant value in the system not named Kelly.

Buchholz is our 3rd guy now pretty much.
Bowden’s stock has dropped significantly.
Doubront seems to be pegged as a fringe starter.
Tazawa is locked in, as I understand it.
Everyone else is too young/inexperienced to have value (Mendez, Rivera, Younginer, Ortega) or not impressive enough (Fife, Weiland, Mills).

That group of 4 young/inexperienced guys, by the way, is really damn exciting. I’m not sure why SoxProspects has Ortega pegged as a pen guy next year (he was fantastic while putting up ~5 IP/start last year in the DSL), but all of them have the ability to dominate next year.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Dec 9, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey now

Watch what you say about Fife. Another one of my underrated favorites.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 9, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I like him a lot

He would make an awesome reliever: Very good K/BB ratio, extreme GB pitcher…struggles a bit in Salem and he’s 22 in A+, you got take that with a grain of salt.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 9, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He was really cool to watch this year in Greenville.

I saw the “rivalry” game between the Charleston Riverdogs (MFY low A) and the Greenville Drive (Redsox low A) and I was definitley impressed. The only person who gave me a bad impression at that game was Middlebrooks with his rock glove and super free swinging at the plate…..This year I’m looking forward to Westmoreland in Greenville, maybe some Fuentes, also thinking Renfoe….I think Pimentel should start the season in Salem….any objections?

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by sox-inda-south on Dec 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

When in the year was that game?

As for starting places, Pimentel slowed down towards the end of last year but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start in Salem.

I’m not so sure about Renfroe. Westmoreland definitely, Fuentes probably.

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Dec 9, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If I recall, it was late June. Greenville lost, but nevertheless I enjoyed it.

So USG….Ben….any other prospects you think I missed that will pass through Greenville this year?

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Dec 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

As USG once said: Ellsbury with patience!

I have an unhealthy man crush on him!

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 9, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I see Ramon Mendez making his way there too

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by bloodysock04 on Dec 10, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait to see him and Manny Rivera in Lowell next year too!

It’s nice having the big league club and three minor league clubs not too far away. Not to mention the Cape League in the summer. Really is a great area to be in for a baseball fan.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 10, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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