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Report: Jason Bay Really Wants To Be A Mariner

According to one journalist, it seems that Jason Bay really wants to be a Seattle Mariner:

I'm hearing that Bay has been telling his former Pirates teammates he'd stand on his head and sing on E. Martinez Way to play for M's.

I'm just going to throw it out there and say that I think this is a little blown out of the water. Bay might have said, "yeah, I'd like to play for the Mariners" or "it would be really nice to play for the Mariners" or "I'd like to live in Seattle." But something tells me that Bay isn't going around telling people he'd "stand on his head and sing on E. Martinez Way" to play in Seattle for the Mariners.

With that said, I'm sure h'd be just as happy to come back to Boston. Maybe he'd sing "Dirty Water" on Yawkey Way?

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dont care, dont want him back anyway

4/60 is the max the sox should offer and since he declined that, the sox shouldn pay more. He was barely worth the 15M this year to begin with and i dont think he will repeat this years offensive perfomance.
Give us Holliday!

by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 7, 2009 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Dec 7, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions  

He may wants to play for the M's

But the problem is that the M’s don’t want him-Period.

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by bloodysock04 on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

if it's true

then good for him, he’ll get his wish. obviously he’s gonna get a better deal then 4/60 which means that he’ll be overpaid. the quicker he gets signed the better.

by revived0103 on Dec 7, 2009 3:00 AM EST reply actions  

He does not seem like the type of player Jack Z. would want

Then again, the Mariners have been wanting some right-handed power.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 7, 2009 4:29 AM EST reply actions  

Bad

defensive fit for a team with a big LF that values defense, but there has been a lot of talk that Seattle actually does want him. As much as I prefer Holliday, I am not looking forward to the bidding war that we will lose with the Wankees. Cameron, anyone?

by Buzzy on Dec 7, 2009 7:03 AM EST reply actions  

Yup.

While I prefer Holliday, I want Bay as a back-up option. I can’t see the Yanks letting Holliday sign anywhere else.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 7, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

From the trade rumors site that posted the Bay story:

“With their agreement with Figgins in place, talks of extending Felix Hernandez, and interest in Jason Bay, the Mariners are definitely not shy when it comes to spending this offseason. Adding Bay would go a long ways toward making them favorites in the AL West. What type of offer should the Mariners make to land Bay?”

Didn’t some here say Seattle is a low payroll team that can’t possibly keep Felix?

by Buzzy on Dec 7, 2009 7:07 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

Buzzy, bc Felix’s agent is stupid enough to extend the next MLB player to break the 20 million/year threshold? Really, you are still holding to that theory?
 
Felix will not extend unless the deal is better than CC’s and the business reality is 1) Felix is one of the most coveted arm in MLB 2) CC’s deal is now the standard for top FA arms 3) only a handful of teams, Red Sox, Yankees, Detriot, CWS, LAD (possibly), NYM, Phillies and LAA, have the resources to sign him and 4) the nation’s recession is not letting up anytime soon, in fact its gonna get worse when the Credit Card issue hits 2010.

I just love how you assume Felix’s agent is not smart enough to understand that his client is going to become the highest paid pitcher in the MLB. He would lose upwards of $10-20 Million in commissions depending on years. But whats a few millions if Felix can stay in a baseball rich community with such a vibrant Latin scene like Seattle for a discount no less. I mean whens last potential FA took the money? Has not happened since way back in 2008….

I wonder what would Scott Boras do?

by SoxAcumen on Dec 7, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Seattle

has the resources of all of those teams except the Yankees. And they are spending-Figgins is just a start.

by Buzzy on Dec 7, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Seattle has a lot of resources and don’t they have money coming off the books? Just because they don’t always get into the high-stakes sweepstakes, doesn’t mean they can’t.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Dec 7, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

no

CCs deal is not the new standard because it is a well-known and acknowledged fact that they had to give him extra provisions and pay way more than anyone else would since he didn’t want to be in new york

by wolf9309 on Dec 7, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Seattle needs are

1) A pitcher: They will be major players in the Harden sweepstakes and the Edwin Jackson trade.
2) A 1st baseman: Branyan did not accept the one year deal offered, if they don’t resign him, I’ll expect them to be very interested in signing Nick Johnson.
3) A power bat
They don’t need Bay because they have a cheap, promising OFer in Saunders who was posting some ridiculous numbers in AAA (.400 wOBA this year, .384 in AA and .387 in A+) and played great defense in LF (19.6 UZR/150) when he was called to the big club and they have that kid Aukley that they took as the 2nd pick in this year draft waiting in the wings.
And like you said, their LF is not helpfull for a power RHH, just ask Adrian Beltre.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 7, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

even if they end up losing Felix long-term

they may spend enough to make a run with him while they have him.

They do have money to spend going into this season. They only need to add 2-3 top-quality free agents to make a big swing – last I heard they had about 35-45 Mill room in salary they were willing to spend. The only question will be for how long they are willing to run those contracts.

by mmmmm on Dec 7, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

many questions

Seattle has been a good baseball town for a while. They’ve only had weaker attendance when they have been bad. They have many pieces in place to contend. I agree with them that getting King Felix signed long term is their biggest issue. All of that said, they have a big, pitcher friendly park, not sure that they want Bay out there patrolling it. This sounds like an agent planted story, because no one is actually going to give Bay more than the 60 over four with a double dip recession starting them in the face.

by Silverlock on Dec 7, 2009 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

I hope he gets his wish, and leaves.

he is not worth a big contract.

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

So Boston fans tell me… If Bay goes to Seattle, The Yankees sign Holliday and trade for Halladay and the Padres realize that Adrian Gonzalez is the only man in baseball who can hit in Petco and keep him, what would you give up for Miguel Cabrera? He is 26, hit 340 with 30+ homers last year in a canyon of a ball park, and what people sometimes forget is that he has a history of playing not only an improving first base but also a strong left field. He was said to have one of the strongest outfield arms a few years ago with the Marlins…
So tell me Bucholz, Reddick, Bates And Bard? Is that too much? What would you give up Boston Fans?

by adpizzaboy on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

The problem is his Off field issues

I don’t think that Theo would want to deal with another headcase after the Manny years especially for that kind of contract. But from a fan stand point, I’ll do that deal in a heartbeat! Oh and you don’t wanna take Bates as a replacement: Lars Anderson is a better option ;)

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 7, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

correct me if I'm wrong but at some point when Theo was taking his sabatical he was asked

the 2 players he would start an organization with and the answer was Felix Hernandez and Miguel Cabrera.

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem with your scenario is 'trade for Halladay'

The Yankees don’t necessarily have the best set of prospects to trade for him.

BUT they COULD throw money at signing Lackey, taking him off the table – which might FORCE the Red Sox to get in a prospect bidding war for Halladay with the other teams that DO have prospects PLUS they’d have to pony up the money that Halladay would want. This would suck for the Red Sox because while they’d be getting Halladay, they’d probably have to give up a lot for him. I’d prefer Lackey for just cash, even though he isn’t as good as Halladay.

If they lose out on Bay/Holliday, they could go after Cameron and put him in CF and move Ellsbury to LF and probably net out about the same when you figure in both defense and offense all together. Ellsbury – Cameron – Drew would be one of the best defensive outfields in the game. Offensively not dominant at any one of the three positions, but way above average taken as a set.

I’m not sure what the contingency plan is if they don’t get Gonzalez – but I know that pursuit of him is also contingent on some of the other moves.

by mmmmm on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the yankees

have some great prospects and could easily get halladay without giving up a huge amount of their farm. I don’t think that getting older is what they want to do though, so I don’t really see them as serious players for Halladay, though I could be wrong.

The contingency if the Sox don’t get Gonzalez is probably the main plan- Youk at first, lowell at 3rd. If all those things happened, chances are we would fight for a year of Cameron, and then pretty much stand pat.

by wolf9309 on Dec 7, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

re getting older

Every offseason the Yankees say 2 things: 1. They want to get younger and 2. They want to cut salary. They have been getting younger (by buying younger players – CC, AJ, Tex), but there’s no way payroll is going to drop, especially after you factor in $9M of CC’s salary that will be shown this year that wasn’t shown last year (it was written in as $9M signing bonus and $14M pay for 2009, but this year it’s the full $23M salary) and after they sign Pettitte back.

by rmarx on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If they're willing to deal from their big league roster, sure

Huges and Joba are pretty good trade chips. Really their only “great” prospect is Montero, and I haven’t read anyone outside of a Yankee scout say he’ll stay at catcher. Still, it’s not like the Jays have some hot 1B prospect coming up, so moving Montero wouldn’t be that big of a deal, it just hurts his value a bit. I don’t see what’s so great about Austin Jackson, personally, and I think his average year in AAA didn’t help his case at all.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 7, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see what’s so great about Austin Jackson, personally

Have you adjusted for his inherent Yankee-ly goodness? Like all Yankee prospects, he’s not that great if you leave that out…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 7, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I think Montero's bat is great

It’s his defense that isn’t great, and Yankee fans going around telling people they’ll trade them Montero, a “future all-star catcher” isn’t helping matters.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I’ve never heard a negative comment about Montero’s bat. However, I get the sense that they might as well bill him as a shortstop for all the chance he has to stick behind the plate.

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 7, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yankee prospects for halladay

Who would they be willing to put up?

Do they really have the prospects for trade to compare with what, say, the Red Sox or Angels might have to offer?

And even if they did – why would they? It makes more sense, given their cashflow advantage, to use pure cash to take Lackey off the market. For him, they competition is ONLY about $$, which they win hands down. For Halladay, they can get him to approve the trade with $$ – but they need the Jays to approve it based on bodies exchanged.

Further, it works as an aggressive move because they potentially force the Red Sox to give up prospects for Halladay, if they want to keep pace.

by mmmmm on Dec 7, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair

I didn’t say it would make sense for them to do it. I said they do have prospects that would get them Halladay, and then said why I thought that wouldn’t make sense. No sense in disagreeing with me when we’re saying the same thing.

by wolf9309 on Dec 7, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's too much

because while he is a great player, he is also paid like a great player, so I don’t think the economics of giving up 2 great, cost-controlled-for-years-to-come pitchers makes sense to pick up 6 years of $20 million for Cabrera.

His arm in left was very good, but his range was not, he doesn’t play acceptable defense in the outfield, which is why he’s at first now. His recent indiscretion also probably lowered his value a decent amount.

by wolf9309 on Dec 7, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Miggy

The problem when evaluating trades is you have to factor in more than the quality of the player. The media does a poor job of really educating the general public about that. So my point is Miggy is a great player but he has a gigantic contract and is actually paid what he is worth or around that. Check out this link:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/miguel-cabreras-trade-value

The Red Sox would have very little competition in a trade, lets be serious who can handle that contract? Yankees have no need, Dodger are cutting payroll, Angels have Morales etc. So there are very few teams that A) have a need for Miggy and B) could take that amount of salary. The only teams i can think of right now, where he might fit: Red Sox, Mets and maybe the Giants.

Allthough the fangraphs article basically says he should be given away for free i’d be willing to part with a Top Prospect and 2 not so high prospects. So just as a pure example: Kelly +X+Y with X,Y not being: Bard, Buchholz, Westemoreland, Kalish, Reddick and Anderson. Would a deal of Kelly+X+Y of that combination get him? I doubt it, trades for Topplayers are still very unbalanced in my eyes. For example Halladay, when i hear what they want and what they got offered last year and declined, I have to laugh, I think it would be similar with Miggy.

by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 7, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If he could play LF,

the Yanks could take him on too.

(I just threw up in my mouth)

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 7, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Way too much...

His off-field issues became on-field issues while his team was contending for a playoff spot. That’s a huge problem – much bigger than anything Manny pulled to my memory, with the possible exception of committing a battery on the traveling sec’y. Consider also that those problems manifested themselves in Detroit – which is not Boston in terms of media spotlight.

Plus, Detroit is one of the so-called Rust Belt teams whose attendance figures and revenue are supposed to be suffering from the economic downturn. There are legitimate questions as to their ability to afford Cabrera, who is not cheap – particularly with Verlander approaching free agency.

Finally, Cabrera seems like he might age into the DH position by the final two years of his contract. Meaning we’d be paying a DH $ 22MM a year for two years, which is tough to swallow. This also undercuts the competition for Cabrera, since the Yankees are going to need their DH slot at that point, since they have a lot of bats who are not great in the field.

Anderson, Reddick, Bowden and maybe something else of note…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd hate to give up Buchholz

but I probably would for Miggy. I’ve heard somewhere that Bard is “untouchable,” so I’d be surprised if we traded both he and Buch.

Can I interest you in Tug Hulett? He’s got a dyno-mite name.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 7, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The caption on this photo should be

“Jayson Bay seen playing his best defensive position” >_<

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Dec 7, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

This time of year you cant believe everything you read...

…because nobody wants to be in Seattle… not even the people in Seattle want to be in Seattle. Saying “I want to be in Seattle” is as ridiculous as saying “Hand me that piano”.

by OH-FOUR on Dec 7, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

I wish you were in Seattle

Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!

by gizmosandy on Dec 7, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

Oh, man. That was glorious.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Dec 7, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If Bay signs in Seattle, who has a higher type A status? Him or Chone?

this hasn’t been mentioned yet, so I thought I’d bring it up……

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Dec 7, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Bay is much higher

something like 89 vs 76- I recall Figgins barely made the Type A cut.

I’m dreaming of the Mariners #18 pick.

Word at the moment, I believe, is that Jack Z isn’t really seriously interested in Bay but rumors are rumors and I can dream

by wolf9309 on Dec 7, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The Sox should let Bay go and bring back Johnny Damon. He was the heart and soul of the “Idiots” and he could be again.

by yazooks on Dec 8, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Heart and soul?

Johnny Damon sold his soul. The only way I want Damon back in Boston is under a bus.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Dec 8, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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